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Post by Blackpied on 30.08.20 13:17

The protesters (rioters)have handed Trump the presidency on a plate
he would not have had a chance without their help and Harris tells
them to carry on what they are doing,unbelievable.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 31.08.20 18:51

@PeterMac wrote:For people to scream "Racism" implies that they do accept the idea of different 'races' of mankind.  Just as the entire scientific and medical and sporting world does.

Quite what the original word in Biblical Hebrew, written in Aramaic script about 800-500 BC implies is not clear, but it may be that the modern classifications of Kingdom, Phylum, Order, Class, Family, Genus, Species, sub-species (or strain), was not universally applied, as it was only 'invented' in the 1750s by Linnaeus following the thoughts of Aristotle and others.

All of which is irrelevant to anyone except the medical profession, the legal profession, social scientists, sports promoters, educators, psychometric researchers, historians, and a few others.

So here, in summary, is the Christian/Bible’s view on the subject of ‘race’ and the ordering of animal and plant species in the natural world.

On the subject of ‘race’, we are clear that there is only one race, the human race, descended from Adam and Eve as the Bible says. The genetic evidence is clear; we are not descended from apes, chimpanzees, gorillas, australopithecines or any mythical ‘ape-like’ creatures. We were uniquely designed and created by God and different from the animal kingdom in so many obvious ways. We are the ‘human kind’, or ‘mankind’.

Likewise, the entire natural world is peopled with the descendants of those ‘kinds’ (Hebrew = ‘min’) created by God at the Creation. The Hebrews would refer to theses ‘kinds’ as ‘bara-min’ = ‘created kinds’.

Within each ‘kind’, God created the capacity for a huge amount of variety/variation - entelechy -which has led to the classification of the natural world, as Peter says, into sub-groups like ‘species’ and ‘sub-species’. The analogy that helped me to understand this many years ago was to think of the genetic make-up - DNA - of the original created ‘kinds’ as a giant pack of playing cards. Each subsequent generation ‘shuffles’ the pack, producing what seems like an infinite variety within that kind. What is not possible is for that variety to result in a new ‘kind’. Evolution is not theoretically possible. We cannot evolve ‘new’ genes. We are simply the product of the ‘shuffling’ of our parents’ genes. 
 
Nor can evolution proceed by mutations. Mutations result from corruptions in the DNA, e.g. a missing or duplicate ‘string’ of DNA. The mutation producing six-fingered and six-toed babies is an example. No ‘kind’ can advance by mutation; all mutations are deteriorations.

So, for example, the ‘cat kind.

All the following can be shown to be genetically descended from the original created ‘cat kind’. Cats did not evolve from anything else. Nor can they evolve into anything else:

Cat Kind:

Lion
Tiger
Panther
Leopard
Liger
Lynx
Cheetah
Cougar
Jaguar
Snow Leopards
Tigon
Eurasian Lynx
Clouded Leopard  
and all domesticated cats from Siamese to Sharon’s ‘Copper’ and ‘Cherry’.

Likewise with the Dog Kind:

Husky
Wolf
Wolf-dog
Arctic Wolf
Gray Wolf
Iberian wolf
Fox
Arctic fox
Dingo
Coyote
African wild dog/Cape hunting dog
Jackal
Red Fox
Ethiopian Wolf
Dhole
Bush dog
and all domesticated dogs from Dachsund to Great St Bernard, from Pekinese to Alsatian

All these can be shown to be genetically descended from the original created ‘dog kind’. Dogs did not evolve from anything else. Nor can they evolve into anything else.

Reverting to human ideas of ‘race’, much of this stems from skin colour. This depends on the amount of melanin in the skin. If we suppose that Adam and Eve were created with, say, a lightish brown skin colour, it can be shown that the variety of melanin in their grandchildren could lead to them having skin colour from ‘white’ to ‘black’ and anywhere in between.

Biologists have described three kinds of so-called ‘races’, according to skin colour: (a) Japhetic or Caucasian, (b) Semitic and (c) Hamitic. These names derive from the three sons of Noah who were on the Ark built by their father, Noah. From this we may deduce that Japheth was whitish, Shem light-brownish and Ham dark brown/black. Those with more melanin, the Hamites, would be comfortable in warmer climes, in tropical areas. Those with less melanin, the Japhethites, would prefer cool temperate climes. And that can account for the way these people spread out over the earth after the year-long, world-wide Flood.

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As this map shows, the sons of Japheth, who was probably white/pinkish skinned, generally headed north from the area where the Ark landed (south-east Turkey today) to the cooler climates. By contrast to the Japhethites, the Semites - sons of Shem - headed generally east- or south-eastwards. The sons of Ham, the Hamites, darkest in skin colour, headed towards Egypt and further south. Ancient Egyptian pictures, reliefs and statues often show distinctive 'African' features  

Peter referred to Carl Linnaeus, the acknowledged ‘father’ of our current system of species classification. Linnaeus, the son of a Lutheran pastor, was a Christian who firmly believed in ‘created kinds’ and dismissed evolutionary ideas. He wrote: “The Earth's creation is the glory of God, as seen from the works of Nature by Man alone. The study of nature reveals the Divine Order of God's creation. It is the naturalist's task to construct a ‘natural classification’ that would reveal this Order in the universe". He also believed that new ‘species’ of plants could be developed by methods such as ‘hybridisation’. This was not evolution. Referring to my example above, this was, if you like, artificial ‘shuffling’ of the gene pool. Linnaeus believed that the original plants in the Garden of Eden provided what was needed for new species (but not new ‘kinds’) to develop and that such development was part of God's plan.

Peter referred to ‘Biblical Hebrew, ‘written in Aramaic script about 800-500 BC’. We believe that Genesis 1 v 1 to Genesis 2 v 4 is God’s very own account of His Creation, entrusted to Adam for preservation. Subsequently Moses in around 1450 BC compiled, edited and wrote the first five books of the Bible, in Hebrew. In these books are the Hebrew words ‘bara’ = created and ‘min = kind. The Book of Job was probably written several hundred years previously, and in the last five chapters (Job 38 to Job 42) God gives to Job a magnificent account of His creative works, including a detailed description of two ‘kinds’ of dinosaur.

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Amelie Mcann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by PeterMac on 01.09.20 17:15

Thank you for that detailed and clear exegesis of the fundamentalist Creationist hypothesis.

An alternative explanation tries to take into account the scientific evidence, collected over several millennia, of what are now known variously as –
cosmology, astronomy, chemistry, physics, medicine, veterinary science, anthropology, archaeology, palaeontology, history, geography, geology, palaeogeology, plate tectonics, forensic science, pathology, palaeoecology, climatology, oceanography . . . and several others.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 01.09.20 23:05

@PeterMac wrote:Thank you for that detailed and clear exegesis of the fundamentalist Creationist hypothesis.

An alternative explanation tries to take into account the scientific evidence, collected over several millennia, of what are now known variously as –
cosmology, astronomy, chemistry, physics, medicine, veterinary science, anthropology, archaeology, palaeontology, history, geography, geology, palaeogeology, plate tectonics, forensic science, pathology, palaeoecology, climatology, oceanography . . . and several others.

In dealing with explanations e.g. of race or origins, it is vital to separate facts from hypotheses.

Take, for example, the age of the earth.  

Was Lyell right when, in 1850, he determined the age of the earth as 25 million years?

Or was Kelvin right when, 12 years later, (1862), he said it was only 20 million years?

Or was Kelvin right in 1897 when he revised upwards the age of the earth to 40 million years?

Or J Joly (1899), who argued for 90 million years?

Or Rayleigh in 1921 who said it was 1,000 million years?

W O Hotchkiss in 1932 who came up with 1,600 million years?

A Holmes who proposed 3,350 million years in 3,350 million years?

Or L Ahrens in 1949 who said it was 2,50o million years old?

Or A Holmes again who in 1956 proposed an age of 4,500 million years, which today is the often-quoted figure?   

Every single one of these guesses is an hypothesis, not a fact.

In dealing with race, which is the topic mostly under discussion on this thread, my statements about melanin and skin colour are taken from proven science. 

Was there any statement in my post that has been definitively contradicted by any fact?

If so what facts contradict what I wrote?

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie Mcann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by PeterMac on 03.09.20 10:07

Your detailed list is a good example of how human knowledge itself evolves.; how it is able to revise previous ideas when new evidence is presented, allowing deeper understanding.
Starting with the basic telescope adopted and improved by Galileo to the Hubble telescope, through radio and X-ray telescopes the history of cosmology has been one of continuous revision of previous theories.
Scientists (decent ones worthy of the name) never hold that theirs is the Ultimate answer. They spend their lives testing, observing and revising, and putting forward new ideas.
It is hoped that the James Webb telescope to be launched in October which will operate a one and half million km from earth, will further advance our understanding.   But only advance it.  Not give any definitive answers.

The days of excommunication for holding contrary views have largely disappeared from the West, though it is alive and well in Islam.

The relatively new science of Genetics is beginning to explain much and to open up further areas for research.

Skin colour and melanin is one of the least interesting racial differences, although it is the most obvious and therefore the one most people concentrate on. But a simple examination of the different sports in the Olympic games will show vastly different racial body types and metabolisms excelling in their chosen events.

And as I have observed previously, an obstetrician who did not know that a woman of west African extraction had a very differently shaped pelvis, and that the child would have a differently shaped head from, say, a white 'Nordic' mother, might do serious harm to both, as in fact happened before this was officially recognised.
No orthodontist would consider trying to close the gap between the front teeth of an African-extraction person, though this would be routine for a white child.
Specialists in heart complaints and in diabetes are acutely aware of racial differences, and adopt different strategies based on racial types


A decent fingerprint expert can tell you the likely race of the person who left the print.  

And so on.
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Post by Blackpied on 06.09.20 15:19

I have a problem with BLM a lot of them are looters and terrorists
but dearie me you don’t pump five bullets into another humans back
without trying to immobilise him another way first.
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Post by BlueBag on 06.09.20 17:29

@Blackpied wrote:I have a problem with BLM a lot of them are looters and terrorists
but dearie me you don’t pump five bullets into another humans back
without trying to immobilise him another way first.
They did.

The tazer didn't work on him.

So.. you're a cop... he's a rapist.... he's resisting arrest... he's belligerent.... he's got a knife... he reaches inside his car.

Is he reaching for a gun?

You have 2 seconds to decide if YOU live or die.
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Post by pauloalexandre on 06.09.20 21:48


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Post by Blackpied on 07.09.20 0:00

The police already have the drop on him if he reaches for a gun he is 
committing suicide.
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Post by Blackpied on 08.09.20 0:46

Just one more post on this Jacob Blake was not a rapist please get 
your facts right
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Post by BlueBag on 08.09.20 6:45

@Blackpied wrote:Just one more post on this Jacob Blake was not a rapist please get 
your facts right

Fact Check wrote:According to a criminal complaint, Blake allegedly entered the house of a woman he knew in the early hours of the morning, sexually assaulted her and then took a debit card and car keys before fleeing in her vehicle. Blake is charged in that pending case with felony third-degree sexual assault, and misdemeanor trespassing and disorderly conduct.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/03/fact-check-jacob-blake-sex-assault-charge-tied-woman-not-child/5700351002/
OK... not yet...
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Post by Blackpied on 08.09.20 11:29

Big difference between third degree sexual assault and rape and I’m
not defending this guy just stating facts.
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Post by BlueBag on 08.09.20 12:15

@Blackpied wrote:Big difference between third degree sexual assault and rape and I’m
not defending this guy just stating facts.
The girl's mother said it was rape.
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Post by Blackpied on 08.09.20 19:06

No mas!!
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Post by Tony Bennett on 10.09.20 14:36

@PeterMac wrote:Your detailed list is a good example of how human knowledge itself evolves.; how it is able to revise previous ideas when new evidence is presented, allowing deeper understanding.

Then by definition ALL those previous ideas were wrong. How do we know that today's scientific ideas are right? They may change tomorrow.


Starting with the basic telescope adopted and improved by Galileo to the Hubble telescope, through radio and X-ray telescopes the history of cosmology has been one of continuous revision of previous theories.

Then by definition ALL those previous theories were wrong. How do we know that today's scientific theories are right? They may change tomorrow.

Scientists (decent ones worthy of the name) never hold that theirs is the Ultimate answer. They spend their lives testing, observing and revising, and putting forward new ideas.

The theory of evolution has never been tested, never been observed. All that we have observed is DEVOLUTION or entelechy from original created kinds 
 

The relatively new science of Genetics is beginning to explain much and to open up further areas for research.

It isn't 'new'. It was first propounded by Gregor Mendel back in 1866! - just 7 years after Darwin's theory of evolution was announced. The pro-evolution scientific establishment, which is even stronger now than it was then, actively and determinedly SUPPRESSED Mendel's genetic theories (which still hold sway today) for 40 years because they CONFLICTED with their pet theory of evolution. Only when they THOUGHT they had an answer to Mendel (i.e. mutations) did they dare to publish Mendel in their 'peer-reviewed' journals.

Apart from that, I agree with your points below on genetic differences, which I would argue show the marvellous design of our Creator in creating those original genetic codes (which could not have happened without intelligent input) and providing for such a diverse progeny. I think however we should prefer the term GENETIC differences to RACIAL differences. We really ARE all one, human race.

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Skin colour and melanin is one of the least interesting racial differences, although it is the most obvious and therefore the one most people concentrate on. But a simple examination of the different sports in the Olympic games will show vastly different racial body types and metabolisms excelling in their chosen events.

And as I have observed previously, an obstetrician who did not know that a woman of west African extraction had a very differently shaped pelvis, and that the child would have a differently shaped head from, say, a white 'Nordic' mother, might do serious harm to both, as in fact happened before this was officially recognised.

No orthodontist would consider trying to close the gap between the front teeth of an African-extraction person, though this would be routine for a white child.

Specialists in heart complaints and in diabetes are acutely aware of racial differences, and adopt different strategies based on racial types.

A decent fingerprint expert can tell you the likely race of the person who left the print.  

And so on.
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