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Post by AnneBarnard on 24.09.19 20:37

I agree that the images are poor quality and could easily have been faked.. however.. it is telling (in my opinion) that Kate takes the time to mention the bruises and give us an explanation for them.

It's anyone's guess as to why she felt the need to mention them at all, but it strikes me that she's mentioned it to 'pre-empt' any questions about said bruises.. defensively explaining them away before anyone can get a chance to query them, if you will.  

And that makes me suspicious.  I get suspicious about things like that. thinking

Her explanation is also a bit suss.. I mean, how bizarre that she would need Gerry to remind her that she'd battered herself so badly..? one would surely remember doing something like that.

One other thing, in the photograph posted by PeterMac where Kate is sitting holding a photograph of Madeleine (sorry not sure how to quote a photograph), there is a definite distinct bruise on her left upper arm, and it is a better quality photograph.  That one looks like it really is there rather than photoshopped in.  I know, I know, bruises can happen to anyone.  But I refer back to the fact that Kate bothered to mention bruises at all.  :)
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Post by ROSA on 24.09.19 21:24

@Verdi wrote:
Bruises can be covered up easily with make up

What - panstick big grin ?

There is an alternative view .... she didn't have any bruises to cover, wouldn't it be simpler to wear something with long sleeves?

The existence of the bruises has in fact been admitted by Kate and Gerry McCann, who gave the explanation that "Kate had been banging her fists in anger and frustration on the metal bedstead" (not the exact words, but something very similar)

Proof they exsisted

Do you really think the word of Gerry and Kate McCann constitutes 'proof' of anything - really?

Oh dear oh dear of dear.

They had to explain away the bruises somehow I'm pretty sure the Police would of seen them ,had anyone else had them they would of been investigated for them especially after the cadaver evidence was found later on the bruises were very suspicious in my view. Too hot over there for long sleeves foundation more like it.

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Post by worriedmum on 24.09.19 22:00

@Verdi wrote:
Bruises can be covered up easily with make up

What - panstick big grin ?

There is an alternative view .... she didn't have any bruises to cover, wouldn't it be simpler to wear something with long sleeves?

The existence of the bruises has in fact been admitted by Kate and Gerry McCann, who gave the explanation that "Kate had been banging her fists in anger and frustration on the metal bedstead" (not the exact words, but something very similar)

Proof they exsisted

Do you really think the word of Gerry and Kate McCann constitutes 'proof' of anything - really?

Oh dear oh dear of dear.

Why would you mention something that did not exist?
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Post by Verdi on 24.09.19 22:11


@worriedmum wrote:Why would you mention something that did not exist?

Abduction springs to mind ....

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Post by worriedmum on 24.09.19 22:15

@Verdi wrote:
@worriedmum wrote:Why would you mention something that did not exist?

Abduction springs to mind ....
But on topic, we are discussing bruises...
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Post by ROSA on 24.09.19 22:55

Gerry did mention a sudden impulse Kate comes to mind for me and those bruises are there for a reason. Also with the cadaver scent being only on Kates clothes sort of tells a tale

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Post by Verdi on 25.09.19 0:07

@worriedmum wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@worriedmum wrote:Why would you mention something that did not exist?

Abduction springs to mind ....
But on topic, we are discussing bruises...

You asked .... 'why would you mention something that did not exist.

Okay, I'll go with the flow.  For the same reason as..

Gerry McCann's Achilles tendon injury
Kate McCann's ankle bitten by dog
Madeleine McCann's coloboma
The stain on Madeleine McCann's pyjama top

Shall I go on?

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Post by Verdi on 25.09.19 0:10

@ROSA wrote:Gerry did mention a sudden impulse Kate comes to mind for me and those bruises are there for a reason. Also with the cadaver scent being only on Kates clothes sort of tells a tale

Sorry, you've totally lost me. I haven't the vaguest idea what you're talking about.

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Post by Verdi on 25.09.19 1:03

@ROSA wrote:They had to explain away the bruises somehow I'm pretty sure the Police would of seen them ,had anyone else had them they would of been investigated for them especially after the cadaver evidence was found later on the bruises were very suspicious in my view. Too hot over there for long sleeves foundation more like it.

What bruises?

Exactly, the police would have seen such potentially important evidence, they would want to know how it came about - routine policing.

It follows I would expect to see such evidence, if it existed, documented in the PJ files released into the public arena. There isn't.

Moving on..

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I rest my case.

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Post by ROSA on 25.09.19 1:44

You can rest your case Verdi but it doesn't change my mind on the bruises being legit.

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Post by Verdi on 25.09.19 13:38

The distorted images posted up on twitter, the focal point of this discussion..

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A work in progress but the image to your left, which has been singled out, would appear to have been circulated by shutterstock. This is from their archive dated 8th May 2007..

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I previously posted a still from a short Getty video clip taken on the same day, 8th May 2007. Getty Images are a bit possessive about copyright but you can watch the video clip here..

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/madeleine-mccann-abduction-police-criticised-portugal-news-footage/672721506?adppopup=true

I see no evidence of bruising.

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Post by Verdi on 25.09.19 15:57

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This could well be the template for the third poor quality image originally posted on twitter, to your far right.  Not saying it is but it matters not, the whole exercise would appear to be mischief at work.

There is sufficient evidence to confirm to me that Kate McCann was not bruised on any visible part of the body.

Note: I have purposely reduced the size of the image to save page space. I think it large enough to observe the arms without too much trouble.

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Post by Verdi on 25.09.19 22:09

For the first time I noticed the ugly purple, blue and black bruises on the sides of my hands, wrists and forearms. I was shocked. Gerry reminded me of how I’d been banging my clenched fists on the veranda railing and the apartment walls the night before. I could only vaguely remember it.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN - Published April 2011.
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Bruise colors over time and their causes

A person may be able to estimate how old a bruise is from the color. As the body heals and breaks down the hemoglobin, or compound that gives blood its red color, the bruise will change in color. This is a regular part of the healing process.

However, skin color affects the appearance of a bruise. Those with medium skin tones had more red and yellow to their bruises, while darker skin tones displayed darker bruises.

During the healing process, a bruise will usually go through the following colors:

   It often starts red because fresh, oxygen-rich blood has newly pooled underneath the skin.
   After around 1–2 days, the blood begins to lose oxygen and change color. A bruise that is a few days old will often appear blue, purple, or even black.
   In about 5–10 days, it turns a yellow or green color. These colors come from compounds called biliverdin and bilirubin that the body produces when it breaks down hemoglobin.
   After 10–14 days, it will turn to a shade of yellowish-brown or light brown.

Finally, once the bruise has turned a light brown, it will begin to fade. Most bruises will disappear without treatment within about 2 weeks.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322742.php

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The only officially documented (if it can legitimately be referred to as such) version of this story line comes to us by way of Fiona Payne's rogatory interview on 10th April 2008.  I quote..

'Awful, erm, I've never seen such horrible raw emotion in my life and I've seen a lot of it in my job. Erm, tut, she, she was just bereft, she didn't know what to do, she was just panicking, extremely frightened, extremely frightened for Madeleine and, erm, was wondering where she was or what was happening to her. And the helplessness, erm, of not being able to do anything, what should she be doing, what could they do. Erm, she was angry, really angry, tut, punching walls, kicking walls, she was covered in bruises the next day, because she just didn't know what, what else to do.

No mention of this in Fiona Payne's witness statement taken on 4th May 2007- the day she is referring to in her rogatory interview.
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Post by Milo on 16.02.20 14:18

Verdi and panstick

When you next want to go out to dinner with bruises on your face use green make-up. Truly.

Irrelevant I know

But I am still trying to absorb the contents of all the new comments before writing again

Btw, in response to your response to a comment about Kate's harlequin pants -- if the dogs had already detected cadaverine on Kate's the pants, why would it matter is she wore them again .... 
And again. In fact it has just hit me how often she wore them (rather than those dinky little dresses) after Madeleine was "abducted". would she have been signalling something to somebody when she got off the plane in the UK?

Now you are going to tell me to stop being dramatic. I don't care. I am thinking aloud and I so much want to help (read accelerate) justice being served.
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Post by ChickieNob on 13.06.20 21:15

Hi, newbie here, the bruises look similar to those got when giving blood samples, if the needle is badly inserted, which it might be if in a hurry. The blood found on the living area floor was of more than one person, I believe, mixed up, to disguise its origin. I know doctors who take every kind of equipment on holiday, in case of emergency, including needles and syringes. Needle bruises come up big and purple and within a couple of hours, there are veins in the wrist just as suitable as the ones in the crook of the elbow and less obvious as needle bruises.
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Post by Verdi on 13.06.20 21:34

@ChickieNob wrote:Hi, newbie here, the bruises look similar to those got when giving blood samples, if the needle is badly inserted, which it might be if in a hurry. The blood found on the living area floor was of more than one person, I believe, mixed up, to disguise its origin. I know doctors who take every kind of equipment on holiday, in case of emergency, including needles and syringes. Needle bruises come up big and purple and within a couple of hours, there are veins in the wrist just as suitable as the ones in the crook of the elbow and less obvious as needle bruises.

Not quite a newbie ChickieNob but welcome anyway!

You say .... ' I know doctors who take every kind of equipment on holiday, in case of emergency, including needles and syringes.'

How do they manage to get through scanners and customs - nothing to declare but my genius?

'Have you finished the packing dwarling - well almost, I can't find my oxygen mask and where's the stethoscope?


Have you read through this thread ChickieNob?

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Post by Milo on 14.06.20 0:43

I remember writing on the bruises topic on a thread some time ago, and it is OK when I get no support for my theories as I am used to it! My opinion has not changed although I am always interested in the views of others when they try to get inside Kate's head as did a few people in this thread. Nevertheless, IMHO:
There are bruises - and many of them.
Kate, in her usual way, pre-empted questions in two ways:
One, having Fiona mention them in her rogatory interview (not having mentioned them earlier)
Two, writing about them in her book.
The pre-empting was rather late in the piece maybe because they (the McCs Plus) became aware of the significance of the bruises when they realised people were turning away from the abduction theory towards McC involvement
The bruises are in patches, and they are really nasty.
The bruises are consistent with Kate having been grabbed from behind by somebody trying to constrain her from looking at or touching something., or moving forward to do so. When doing this the person doing the constraining usually grabs the wrists in a strong hold often twisting the wrists behind the person's back, but is often unsuccessful as the constrainee pulls away and thrashes around; hence another part of the body is grabbed. 
The tracksuit top is as close as it gets to Kate covering up. She typically wears girlie dresses and pretty jewellery but I think that trackie top was on the day she felt dreadful -- look at her hair for a start. It was the most distraught image we have seen.
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Post by Verdi on 14.06.20 0:55

Photographic evidence latterly uploaded on this thread - no bruises!

End of.

Show me photographic evidence of bruising then we'll start talking.

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Post by ChickieNob on 14.06.20 9:45

@Verdi wrote:
@ChickieNob wrote:Hi, newbie here, the bruises look similar to those got when giving blood samples, if the needle is badly inserted, which it might be if in a hurry. The blood found on the living area floor was of more than one person, I believe, mixed up, to disguise its origin. I know doctors who take every kind of equipment on holiday, in case of emergency, including needles and syringes. Needle bruises come up big and purple and within a couple of hours, there are veins in the wrist just as suitable as the ones in the crook of the elbow and less obvious as needle bruises.

Not quite a newbie ChickieNob but welcome  anyway!

You say .... ' I know doctors who take every kind of equipment on holiday, in case of emergency, including needles and syringes.'

How do they manage to get through scanners and customs - nothing to declare but my genius?

'Have you finished the packing dwarling - well almost, I can't find my oxygen mask and where's the stethoscope?


Have you read through this thread ChickieNob?
yes i have read the thread, it is about kates bruises. medical equipment is packed in the luggage, along with everything else, yes I have seen a doctor pack a stethoscope and intubation material in the luggage next to the swim shorts and sun lotion. This was my first post, yes I have taken time to read the forum etc no need to be rude.
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Post by Flossy on 14.06.20 10:27

@ChickieNob wrote:Hi, newbie here, the bruises look similar to those got when giving blood samples, if the needle is badly inserted, which it might be if in a hurry. The blood found on the living area floor was of more than one person, I believe, mixed up, to disguise its origin. I know doctors who take every kind of equipment on holiday, in case of emergency, including needles and syringes. Needle bruises come up big and purple and within a couple of hours, there are veins in the wrist just as suitable as the ones in the crook of the elbow and less obvious as needle bruises.
I don't quite understand what you are implying here. Please correct me if this is wrong but are you suggesting KM used need needles or took her own blood while on holiday. I don't believe this to be the case, but even if it were, there are unlikely to be any suitable veins on those portions of the wrist that would be suitable. Any doctor would know the arm, or even hand are far more suitable, depending on what you are trying to achieve. I am not convinced those pictures aren't altered in some way. I suspect that it may be true that there was a small amount of bruising there which may have been altered to appear larger. If the photos are indeed genuine, it is possible those bruises occurred as a result of banging her wrists and hands against something.
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Post by Verdi on 14.06.20 13:33

This reminds me of the story about Gerry McCann helping a man who fell sick on the aircraft transporting him to the UK on one of his May/June 2007 flying visits.

What a pity he hadn't packed full medical equipment in his back-pack - or sports bag.

Sorry, I digress.

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Post by worriedmum on 17.06.20 21:30

Verdi the same bruise is visible on both pictures
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Post by Verdi on 17.06.20 21:55

@worriedmum wrote:Verdi the same bruise is visible on both pictures
No they are not!

Do you likewise think Kate McCann's companion was also bruised..

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Besides, if you follow the thread this was posted up-page along with a number of other images of Kate McCann taken around the early days..

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/madeleine-mccann-abduction-police-criticised-portugal-news-footage/672721506?adppopup=true

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Post by worriedmum on 17.06.20 22:03

@Verdi wrote:
@worriedmum wrote:Verdi the same bruise is visible on both pictures
No they are not!

Do you likewise think Kate McCann's companion was also bruised..

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Besides, if you follow the thread this was posted up-page along with a number of other images of Kate McCann taken around the early days..

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Verdi I was talking about the two images of Kate you posted side by side. There appears to be a dark bruise visible which runs at right angles to the buckle of her wrist watch.
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