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Post by CaKeLoveR on 13.09.20 11:21

Are we waiting for Mark Williams Thomas and Jim Gamble?
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Post by Jill Havern on 13.09.20 11:49

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Fingerprints on window (one matched the mother)

No suggestion of abduction...

Trying to think of another case like that thinking

Nope, not managing.

thinking  And that charity getting involved.  Never heard of anything like that.

It's a complete mystery isn't it?

Trying to think where I've heard that before thinking

Nope, not managing.

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Post by sharonl on 13.09.20 12:18

thinking  

Holiday villa?
Gone via a window?
Could or could not have left alone?

Why am I getting a touch of DeJa vu ?
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Post by PeterMac on 15.09.20 7:09

OFF TOPIC< But for comparison with some other cases

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The parents of a teenager who disappeared almost two months ago have been charged with her murder, even though police have found no sign of her body.
Bernadette Walker, 17, from Peterborough was reported missing by her parents on July 21, three days after they claimed she had got out of their car and run away. 
Mother-of-nine Sarah Walker, 39, and partner Scott, 50, claimed their daughter texted them two days after she disappeared to say she would be home soon, but never arrived.
Police initially classified the case as medium risk and her parents put up posters around Peterborough appealing for their daughter’s safe return.
They also used social media to appeal for help to find the teenager, who was thought to be staying with friends.
However, on Friday detectives announced they had launched a so-called 'no-body' murder investigation and sealed off the family’s five bedroom council property in Peterborough.
The following day they arrested Mr and Mrs Walker, who are not married, on suspicion of murder.
On Monday, the couple were charged with killing the 17-year-old and made their first appearance in court via videolink before being remanded in custody.
Detective Superintendent Jon Hutchinson said: "Whilst my team have made significant progress with this investigation in the last few days, we are yet to find Bernadette.
"Therefore my plea is for anyone who has information on what has happened to her, or where she might be, to get in touch as a matter of urgency."
Following her disappearance, her mother, who works as a care assistant, and had her ninth child just six months ago, described Bernadette as her “eldest princess”.
She also said she had not been able to sleep or eat properly since she went missing.
On September 8, her father posted a message to Bernadette on his Facebook page, saying: 'The police came for your hairbrush and toothbrush tonight. You can imagine how much we are both worried. We miss you
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Post by PeterMac on 16.09.20 5:04

There seems to be an outbreak of Cold-cases

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Elderly parents of 23-year-old who disappeared in 1992 when he went into public toilet say it is 'absolutely ludicrous' that they have been arrested for his murder 28 years later


  • Steven Clark, disappeared while on a family walk near Saltburn Pier in Cleveland
  • The 23-year-old went to visit the toilet but never returned in December 1992  
  • His parents Doris and Charles were arrested this week on suspicion of murder
  • The pair have been released on bail and say their arrest is 'absolutely ludicrous' 
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Post by Doug D on 03.10.20 9:06

Still no further news on this one.

The inquest was originally scheduled to last until 18th September, so should have reached a conclusion by now.

Have we any Malaysian contacts out there able to glean any local news stories?
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Post by taurus47 on 03.10.20 9:16

I believe that I read somewhere that it had been adjourned until later this month. Sadly, I can't remember where I saw it - maybe one of the Irish newspapers.
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Post by Doug D on 03.10.20 10:38

Thanks for that taurus47. Have now found the article below. 
 
So 10 day adjournment from 4th to 14th, but if only 14 out of 64 witnesses had given testimony by the 4th (ten working days since day 1), the original schedule  for 20 working days, which would have taken us to the 25thSeptember, looks unlikely to have been met.
It would be nice to get the update though, but the media have obviously got better things to do and fill their pages with!
 
Inquest into death of teen Nora Quoirin adjourned for witnesses


By Gillian Halliday September 05 2020 11:00 AM


The inquest into the death of teenager Nora Quoirin has been adjourned until later this month.
 
At a hearing yesterday, the coroner announced the postponement to enable two witnesses to testify at the inquest in Malaysia on September 14.
 
Fourteen of the 64 witnesses listed for the inquest have so far given evidence since the proceedings began on August 24.
 
Earlier this week Coroner Maimoonah Aid heard that no traces of drugs or pesticides were found in the system of the French-Irish schoolgirl, whose mum Meabh is from Belfast.
Nora disappeared from her family's cottage at the Dusun eco-resort in southern Negeri Sembilan state on August 4 last year, sparking a massive search operation.
The 15-year-old went missing just one day after she and her family arrived in Malaysia for a holiday.
Her body was found on August 13 near a stream over a mile from the resort following a massive search conducted by the authorities.
The inquest has also heard Nora was not sexually assaulted before her death, while a post-mortem examination ruled Nora died from internal bleeding in her intestine following a period of prolonged hunger and stress.
The teenager passed away four days before she was eventually found by hikers helping with the search, the coroner was told.
Police believe Nora simply wandered off and that there is no "criminal element" involved. However, Nora's parents have disputed that assessment, arguing that it was highly unlikely the girl - who was born with holoprosencephaly, a disorder which affects brain development - would have gone off alone.
Previously the inquest heard Nora and her siblings were approached by a stranger at Kuala Lumpur International Airport.
It also heard that eight fingerprints were lifted after police dusted the window at Sora House where the family were staying in the resort for fingerprints.
One of the prints was a matchfor her mother but three were unknown.
 
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Post by Doug D on 03.10.20 11:08

And this earlier one from the resumption on 14th September, saying inquest will resume on 1st October, so no hurry then.
 
Good old ‘notoriously unreliable’ English Springer Spaniel cadaver dogs brought in I see.
Why oh why do they continue to use them? (rhetorical!)
 
 
In inquest, Bomba officer says sniffer dogs followed Nora Anne Quoirin’s scent to rapids and then lost the trail
 
Monday, 14 Sep 2020 04:19 PM MYT BY KENNETH TEE
 
SEREMBAN, Sept 14 — Sniffer dogs from the Fire and Rescue Department led searchers for Irish-French teen Nora Anne Quoirin to several spots in the dense jungle near the resort where she had gone missing in August last year, but lost her scent at the rapids, the Coroner’s Court heard today.
Fire and Rescue Department Senior Fire Officer I Fadzil Arshad who was in charge of a four-man team, including two dog handlers, took the stand at today’s inquest.
He said his team was assigned to join the search for the missing teenager by the department’s Operation Centre on August 4, 2019 and told to report for duty at The Dusun resort.
Also part of his K-9 Detection Unit team — based in Jalan Klang Lama, Kuala Lumpur — were two dogs, a Border Collie and a Labrador Retriever trained to detect missing persons in the forest.
“We arrived at The Dusun at 9.30am on August 5, 2019 and were briefed by the operation officer on the facts of the case. I was then led to the window at Sora House where the victim was claimed to have exited and disappeared.
“After deciding which way I wanted to begin our search, I encircled the villa and reached the main entrance where I was handed a bag of clothing which the victim had worn by the mother,” Fadzil told Coroner Maimoonah Aid.
Fadzil said the Labrador showed a strong response to Quoirin’s scent about 100 metres from the villa window and the assigned handler then encouraged the dog to seek out a potential scent trail.
“However as we went further, the scent began to break up which we believed Nora Anne had passed through [the area] before the dogs came to some sort of pond and a rocky stream,” he said, adding that he subsequently informed his superiors of their discovery.
He added that the team were then tasked with a new search area at a hilly area towards the north of the resort but had returned with a negative search result.
Fadzil said he then informed his superior officer that he wanted to resume his search where the team had left at the pond and water stream with both dogs the following morning.
On the evening of August 6, 2019 Fadzil said his team resumed their search from where they left the previous day where the dogs had reacted strongly near a water stream, before leading the team past an abandoned toilet over a concrete drain and a three-way intersection to reach section of the stream with fast flowing water some distance from the resort’s rear perimeter.
At the water rapid, Fadzil said the dogs continued to react strongly to which he subsequently informed his superiors of the latest discovery.
On August 7, 2019, Fadzil said his team was focused on searching the area around the rapids.  They attempted to get the dogs to the opposite bank to continue the search.
However to their surprise, the dogs backtracked back to the spot at the rapids and stood still, showing no response to Quoirin’s scent from that point onwards.
Fadzil said his team’s service was discontinued after August 8, 2019 after they were asked by the police to lead them to the locations where the dogs had reacted strongly.
 
More detection dog brought in
Leading Fire Officer P. Ravi, also from the Fire and Rescue Department’s K-9 Detection Unit at Jalan Klang Lama, Kuala Lumpur, said two English Springer Spaniel were further roped in on August 10, 2019 to assist in the ongoing search operation.
According to Ravi, the dogs were specially trained to sniff out dead bodies and his team of four personnel were tasked to look for possible clues as to the whereabouts of Quoirin’s body if any, after the previous day’s search team had obtained new clues.
“We were informed by our Operation Centre on August 9, 2019 around 6pm to report ourselves at The Dusun at 8.30am the following day.
“Our search was centred around a nearby Hindu temple near The Dusun towards a water treatment plant in a radius of one kilometre,” Ravi, who is the 17th witness in the inquest said.
Ravi pointed out in the court his assigned search area, which was noticeably in close proximity to the area where Fadzil’s search team had covered previously.
However, Ravi said the dogs failed to detect any sort of human body within their search area which lasted from 8.30am until 5pm.
Asked whether they were provided with any belongings of the victim to allow the dogs to catch a scent, Ravi said there was no need for it as the dogs were trained to sniff out human bodies specifically.
He said their service was terminated following their findings but were told they might be recalled later.
Another police sniffer dog failed to detect a scent, court heard
Testifying at the 15th witness at the inquest, Lance Corporal Sylvester Kirinus of the police K-9 Unit from Bukit Aman said he was ordered to report to the Pantai police station on August 4, 2019 in relation to a missing persons incident that took place at The Dusun resort.
Like other police K-9 unit handlers that have testified previously in court, Sylvester said he was led to the villa’s window where Quoirin was said to have exited from after arriving at the resort.
However, his German Shepherd dog failed to elicit any positive indication of the girl’s scent during their search on August 4, 9 and August 10.
Previously in court, three police K-9 unit dog handlers said their dogs were unable to catch on a definite scent trail of the girl throughout the search-and-rescue operation which spanned over 10 days.
Quoirin, a 15-year-old with physical and learning difficulties, disappeared from The Dusun resort last year where she was staying with her London-based family, triggering a 10-day hunt involving helicopters, sniffer dogs and hundreds of searchers.
Her body was discovered about 1.5km from the jungle retreat and an autopsy found that she likely died of internal bleeding linked to starvation after spending about a week in the dense rainforest.
 
The inquest resumes October 1.
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Nóra Quoirin death: Mother heard voices in chalet, inquest told

The mother of a British girl found dead in a Malaysian jungle heard voices inside their family chalet the night her daughter went missing, an inquest heard.
Nóra Quoirin, from London, was reported missing on 4 August 2019. Her body was discovered nine days later.
Meabh Quoirin, who believes her daughter was abducted, said she heard "moving voices" inside the chalet.
She was not concerned as she "was not fully conscious", she told the court.
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Mrs Quoirin told the court in Seremban, Malaysia, she recounted hearing "muffled sounds" at the front of the resort on the night her daughter went missing.
She added that it sounded like young people having a party.
She said she fell into a deep sleep after that and did not leave the bed at any point in the night "to avoid waking up and exacerbating her jet-lag".
Mrs Quoirin added she distinctly remembered being aware of muffled sounds in the chalet at another point saying that they "felt very close".

She was not concerned by the voices as she was not fully conscious, she explained to the court.
At 07:30, Nóra's father Sebastien went to the mezzanine level of the chalet where Nora had been sharing a double bed with her 12-year-old sister Innes.
It was then that they discovered their daughter was missing, Mrs Quoirin said.

Describing Nóra learning and physical difficulties, Mrs Quoirin said that her daughter had "a lot of physical challenges" with her motor skills and struggled with balance and coordination.
She described how if Nóra tried to run or move quickly she would have an "awkward gait and she would stumble if it was not flat."
'Tire easily'
Mrs Quoirin added that her daughter struggled with zips and buttons and that she had "core strength" problems.
"She would tire easily just sitting", Mrs Quoirin said.
"Her school day was very tiring, just sitting would demand quite a lot of effort."
The mother said that her eldest daughter did not do anything at home without her help.
"She would always sit beside her mum or dad ... she never went anywhere by herself," she told the court.
"Overall we explained it that she had a mental age of about five or six."

Mrs Quoirin rejected the possibility that her daughter might have wandered off alone.
"Scratchings and markings" were found on Nóra's body, but the mother claimed they were not constituent with a child walking naked in the jungle "constantly".
"Nora always moved slowly," she added.
Mrs Quoirin said a lot of damage would be done to the body because of the terrain and that it would have been "extremely difficult" for Nóra to navigate it.
The inquest continues.


^A likely story. Why is this only being mentioned months later at the inquest?
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Post by PeterMac on 11.11.20 13:08

This is similar to GM's invention of FlatMan years later.

When it is exposed that there is no evidence of abduction, what are they supposed to do.
They can't accept it, because they are in too deep.
So they have to come up with something new, that they didn't bother mentioning at the time.

There is a clear pattern here.
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Post by taurus47 on 11.11.20 15:10

Something very wrong here. All this information coming from the family now, more than a year after Norah's death; I simply don't believe it, As for all poor Norah's limitations which they love to go on about, and which have been disputed by footage of her at the airport dealing with her own luggage, there is also the statement of her having a mental age of 5 or 6, which again doesn't tally with the story of telling her dad that she was reading the Washington Post whilst on her Tablet or Kindle.

The big pointer for me right now is the fact that the image of her on her Memorial page at Milltown Cemetery which showed her doing the sack race at a school sports day, has been removed. I think that one would not be able to compete in such an event with her alleged mobility, balance and extreme tiredness issues. So someone is lying big time here as well as the 'hearing voices close by but ignoring them'; what mother, especially in a foreign country, jet lagged or not would not be instantly awake and alert and especially with a child as vulnerable as Norah?

Pull the other one Meabh!
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Post by Ron-scotland on 11.11.20 15:12

We’re told that Nóra was sharing a bed with her sister, and I believe all the kids slept in the same large open plan room upstairs. We’re also told that the mother heard people moving around the apartment and that “it sounded like young people having a party”. Yet apparently Nóra was removed from the property, presumably by these noisy intruders, without waking her sister next to her in bed and spirited off into the jungle to be discovered weeks later in an area already searched. It’s nonsensical and straight from the McCann playbook. Confusion is good...
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Post by taurus47 on 11.11.20 15:31

An extra thought....how much jet lag would there be in travelling from Sydney, to Singapore and then to Kuala Lumpur? It's all in the same time zone or thereabouts isn't it?   Far more jet lag for Norah and the others travelling from London.
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Post by CaKeLoveR on 11.11.20 16:23

Nobody is going to be held accountable for Nora's death, I think that is a given.
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Post by miffy8 on 15.11.20 10:34

They say that opportunity knocks, but doors are too obvious entry points for opportunists so, opportunity seeks to enter through a window instead. Thieves, robbers and all manner of bogey men in their various guises come through windows, don't they? That's what all the story books would have us believe. But, what some fail to see is, that when the window of opportunity, be it a open or closed, becomes entirely nailed shut in the absence of evidence to suggest otherwise. In this case, no mud, leaves or footprints in the depths of a jungle.

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Post by taurus47 on 16.11.20 10:16

On watching Nora's father give evidence, he also gave exactly the same story of the voices outside and muffled whisperings inside as her mother. This smacks to me of collaberation - even the same terminology was used! This had never been mentioned prior to them giving their evidence to the inquest as far as I'm aware.
How neither of them were actually roused into a more conscious state I find unbelievable as I don't believe that jet lag renders anyone semi conscious - just interferes with the body clock. 
How about the theory that Meabh was roused by whisperings inside between Nora and her father prior to an early visit to see the waterfall?
My theory and opinion only.
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Post by Angel on 16.11.20 18:39

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:An extra thought....how much jet lag would there be in travelling from Sydney, to Singapore and then to Kuala Lumpur? It's all in the same time zone or thereabouts isn't it?   Far more jet lag for Norah and the others travelling from London.
 Who flew from Sydney and who[others] accompanied Nora?
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Post by taurus47 on 17.11.20 13:48

Mother, Meabh flew from Sydney (where she had been for business) via Singapore to Kuala Lumpur.
Nora flew with her father, Sebastien, and younger brother and sister from Heathrow.
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Post by Angel on 17.11.20 14:03

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Nora flew with her father, Sebastien, and younger brother and sister from Heathrow.
Thankyou for clarifying that for me  .
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Post by Jill Havern on 23.11.20 18:39

Owner of Malaysian holiday resort where Nora Quoirin disappeared and died tells inquest they have not had an intruder in 30 years but it 'would not be impossible' to break in


  • Helen Todd's family runs the Dusun Resort where Nora Quoirin vanished from 

  • Mrs Todd answered questions on the security of the resort during a hearing 

  • She said it was 'highly unusual' to have intruders although not impossible 


The owner of the Malaysian holiday resort where Nora Quoirin disappeared and was later found dead has told an inquest that they have not had an intruder in 30 years but it 'would not be impossible' to break in. 
Helen Todd, whose family runs the Dusun Resort where Nora vanished from in August 2019, said it was 'highly unusual' to have intruders although not impossible and explained how part of the resort's boundary fence had collapsed. 
Nora, who had learning difficulties, vanished from the Dusun rainforest resort, around 45 miles from Kuala Lumpur and was reported missing on August 4, 2019.
Her unclothed body was found over a week later in the Malaysian jungle, less than two miles from the holiday home, after a massive hunt through the rainforest.
Nora, from Balham in south-west London, was born with holoprosencephaly, which is a disorder that affects brain development. 
During the inquest, Mrs Todd was questioned about the resort's security by Louise Azmi, a lawyer for the Quoirin family. 
She told the hearing that it was possible to walk around fence posts at the back gate but not drive through it. 
Last week, Nora's former head teacher Michael Reeves, who said he saw Nora daily at school and taught her on a numer of occasions when covering for an absent teacher, told the inquest that she had difficulties with 'holding balance and posture' and had 'weak core muscles'. 
The 59-year-old said that he believed had Nora found herself alone in the dark, she would have stopped 'to shout for her parents' and 'stay still wherever she was'. 
Ms Amzi asked Mrs Todd: 'It would not have been possible for her to come out of that gate and make her own way to palm-oil plantation? Would you agree with that?' 
Mrs Todd answered that she could not comment on that but added that she herself walked the route often, according to a report in the BBC
Speaking of the section of the boundary gate that had fallen down, she said: '[Nora] would have still had to clamber over it. Once she would have clambered over it, it was very bushy… outside the boundary fence is quite thick undergrowth.'
She said it would have been difficult for Nora to navigate in the dark and without shoes.  
According to Mrs Todd, the resort's front gate was always locked by staff when they left work to go home. 
When questioned whether an able-bodied intruder would have been able to enter, she answered that it 'would not be impossible, but it would be highly unusual.' 
 Mrs Todd also admitted it 'would not be impossible' to access the resort from the back gate if someone 'was quite determined'. 
Lawyers for the Dusun resort asked the owner to explain why someone breaking in would be 'highly unusual.' 
The owner explained that she and her family had lived on the property for over 30 years. 'It has always been a safe place,' she said.
'We never had a burglary and we have never had an intruder in any of our houses.'
Last week, the head teacher of French-Irish teenager Nora Quoirin told the inquest into her death that it is 'unimaginable' that she could have climbed a fence at the Malaysian jungle resort she disappeared from due to her physical disabilities.
Mr Reeves said that Nora 'wouldn't have the confidence to walk on her own', adding that she had 'balance issues' that would make it 'unimaginable' that she could have climbed the fence by herself.
Mr Reeves, who said he saw Nora daily at school and taught her on a number of occasions when covering for an absent teacher, told the inquest that she had difficulties with 'holding balance and posture' and had 'weak core muscles'. 
The 59-year-old said that he believed had Nora found herself alone in the dark, she would have stopped 'to shout for her parents' and 'stay still wherever she was'.
He added: 'She would have found it [walking over rough terrain] exceptionally difficult even over a short distance,' the BBC reported.
'The idea of Nóra climbing over fencing is unimaginable. She might have climbed over something a foot or so high, but no more than that,' he said.
Mr Reeves told the inquest that Nora found it difficult to take part in PE lessions, saying 'Physically she was one of the most vulnerable pupils in the school, because of her balance issues.
'Nora's gait was quite fragile. She really didn't have the confidence to walk off by herself.'
Both of Nora's parents have spoken during the inquest that continues in Seremban, with both saying  they heard noises on the night she vanished from their Malaysian chalet. 
Speaking at an inquest on November 12, her father - Sebastien Quoirin - said he did not get out of bed to investigate because he was in a 'state of semi-consciousness'. The teen's mother, Meabh Quoirin, made similar claims in her testimony on the previous day. 
Sebastien Quoirin said he 'heard some muffled noise coming from the chalet' late at night on the day the London-based family arrived.
'I could feel it was close... I cannot describe the nature of the noise,' he said, speaking via video-link as he could not attend the hearing in person due to the coronavirus.
The 48-year-old Frenchman did not get up to investigate, however, saying he was in a 'state of semi-consciousness'. 
Speaking on November 11, Meabh Quoirin said that at one point during the night she 'was aware of muffled sounds inside,' like two people whispering. 
'I was in between sleeping and being awake, so I wasn't really processing my thoughts normally ... it caused me no alarm because I wasn't fully conscious,' she said.
They discovered their daughter was missing the next morning. A 10-day hunt involving hundreds of rescuers followed, before the schoolgirl's body was found close to the resort.
A window latch on the chalet was broken, but the teen's father did not believe she could have climbed out alone as she struggled with mobility and balance.
'She has no survival instincts. I could not understand how she could have got out of the chalet and ventured out of the resort herself,' he said.
He said the teen's feet were uninjured when her body was discovered, which would be unusual if she spent days wandering in the jungle, and believes she could have been kidnapped and then abandoned.
'The abductors could have realised she was a liability following the extensive police search and widespread media attention,' he said.
The family have criticised authorities for responding slowly after the teen's disappearance but police say they conducted a thorough probe and there is no indication of kidnapping.
An autopsy found the teen had probably starved and died of internal bleeding - but her family pushed for the inquest, which is expected to continue into December.
Meabh Quoirin has accused police of refusing to believe her daughter was abducted, and claimed evidence may have been lost because they were slow to act.
Nora's disappearance from her family's cottage at the Dusun eco-resort in southern Negeri Sembilan state on August 4 last year, a day after her family arrived for their vacation, sparked a massive search. 
Her naked body was found on August 13 beside a stream in a palm oil estate about 1.6 miles from the resort.
Police have told the inquest that an investigation showed no criminal element, and that there was no indication Nora had been abducted. 
Police believe Nora climbed out of a window on her own, and the autopsy showed she succumbed to intestinal bleeding due to starvation and stress.
But Meabh Quoirin and her French husband, Sebastien Quoirin, say Nora was kidnapped because she had mental and physical disabilities and couldn't have wandered off on her own.
The window couldn't be locked because the latch was broken, the family have said. The children slept in the loft, while she and her husband were in the master bedroom downstairs. 
Quoirin said her younger daughter woke up near dusk to go to the bathroom and noticed that Nora was already missing, but thought she had gone to sleep with her parents. 
She noted that the area where Nora was found has been repeatedly searched, and that given the steep and hilly terrain, her body was in fairly good condition, with only minor bruises and scratches. 
'Why does her state of body not reflect that of someone constantly moving or exposed to the harshest of elements?' she said.
'I don't want to speculate on the motivation of the abduction,' she said. 'It is possible and reasonable to believe that any plan that was conceived at any point may have to change by the sheer volume of attention focused on Nora's case. ... I believe that Nora could have subsequently been released by her captors.'
Nora's two siblings will also testify in private. Later this month, a British doctor who conducted a second autopsy on the teen's body will also testify remotely.
The Quoirin family has sued the resort owner for alleged negligence. They said in their lawsuit that there was no security at the resort and that a cottage window with a broken latch was found ajar the morning Nora disappeared. 
   
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Post by taurus47 on 23.11.20 19:53

I'm still unable to rationalise the statements from the parents and the head teacher regarding Nora's extreme physical disabilities. Her poor posture, core strength and inability to take part in PE classes due to her inability to balance are all belied in photos of Nora. 

Whenever a photo shows Nora standing, she looks erect and happy - if she were so diasabled I wonder why she didn't have some sort of walking aid. The family have made no secret of their many family walks and why would anyone choose a resort like the Dusun to take such a disabled child if they knew she would struggle so much? None of it makes sense, and the removal from her memorial page of Nora's photo taking part in the sack race at her school sports day raises questions - we have been told that Nora would never run as she was afraid of falling....
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Post by miffy8 on 23.11.20 20:04

Quoirin said her younger daughter woke up near dusk to go to the bathroom and noticed that Nora was already missing, but thought she had gone to sleep with her parents.


A little perplexing to me given Nora's mobility issues coupled with the fact the family was in new unfamiliar surroundings, it was dark AND the parents were sleeping downstairs, why it never occurred to or indeed sufficiently bothered her sister enough to check Nora had arrived safely in the parent's bedroom after negotiating the spiral staircase in the dead of night.       

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