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Post by PeterMac 02.01.22 9:41

There is a Piece in The Sunday Times today
"Epstein is dead, Maxwell is guilty. Now let’s talk about the men who escaped"


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Not while there are Libel Lawyers around
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Post by Verdi 05.01.22 12:33

I've just been reading, Prince Andrew is already guilty through the eyes of public opinion.

Not so with me. He might be guilty of befriending Epstein and indulging in the extra marital on offer at chez Epstein, in the form of pimped teenage girls but I'm not so sure about forced sex.

The girls were there whether groomed or not. In this the 21st Century, I venture to suggest 17 year olds know the score better than their elders. They know if lavish goodies are up for grabs, there is a price to pay.

Look at Hefner's bunny girls sick !

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Post by Jill Havern 05.01.22 13:00

Prince Andrew says he doesn't remember Virginia Roberts.....realistically, who would remember someone from decades ago even with a photo showing him with his arm around a fully clothed woman? She was nothing special, to be fair.

Wasn't he going out with 'hot women' around that time, like Koo Stark?

Why would he need trafficked girls?

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Post by sequested 05.01.22 13:24

For me, the more damaging images are of him peering round the front door of Epstein’s NY house and their walk in the park.
Nevertheless, I’m not convinced that he’s done anything wrong…….apart from pick the wrong friends (and perhaps we’ll never know how wrong they were ?!)
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Post by PeterMac 05.01.22 14:11

Quite so to all three above. 
England has set the age of consent at 16.
There is no hint of a suggestion that any of the girls and young women involved anywhere were unwilling participants, indeed the exact opposite might be inferred fro their obvious willingness to be jetted round the place, plied with good ford and wine, and no doubt bought new clothes and taken to lots of "parties".

That doesn't excuse the disputed moral reprehensibility of the men's and the Madame's actions, but those are theological points.
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Post by Verdi 05.01.22 15:20

Right to say, why would Prince Andrew need trafficked girls.

Of course he didn't.  

With a Royal title, wealth and a degree of power he can have the pick of the bunch - you don't need good looks or muscles.  Look at Prince William, every inch the making of a King but nothing much to look at, he managed to bag a beauty.

Then there are prostitutes available for hire - high class and street class and inbetweeners.

I can't but feel Prince Andrew is the target of malicious intention.  Unfortunately in cases such as this, the law tends to side with the female so he will get a very hard time even if only his reputation.  He's already lost that!

I wonder if the accuser can truthfully remember the name and identity of everyone she had sex with at that period of her life.

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Post by PeterMac 05.01.22 17:07

She has been trafficked.
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She has flown over from the States especially to meet you

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Post by Vera Krista 05.01.22 17:26

If Virginia is held hostage as she claims, how could her ex bfs can talk about she has been trafficked. How can I girl who is held as a hostage can make a bf? 

I don't think She slept with Andrew.   

maybe they use her to get something from the royals.

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Post by sequested 11.01.22 15:37

^^^^^ really ? Callum Hudson-Odoi ? Chelsea player born 2000 ?
Really ??
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This is the website I checked the names 
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Post by Doug D 12.01.22 17:17

Prince Andrew must face sex abuse accuser's lawsuit - U.S. judge
 
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NEW YORK, Jan 12 (Reuters) - Britain's Prince Andrew failed to persuade a U.S. judge to dismiss Virginia Giuffre's lawsuit accusing the Duke of York of sexually abusing her when she was a teenager.
In a decision made public on Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan said Giuffre could pursue claims that Andrew battered her and intentionally caused her emotional distress while the late financier Jeffrey Epstein was trafficking her.
The Manhattan judge said it was premature to assess Andrew's efforts to "cast doubt" on those claims, though the 61-year-old prince could do so at a trial.
Kaplan said it was also too soon to decide whether Giuffre's 2009 civil settlement with Epstein "clearly and unambiguously" shielded Andrew from being sued by Giuffre.
The judge did not address the merits of Giuffre's claims.
Lawyers for Andrew and Giuffre did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Andrew, the second son of Queen Elizabeth, has denied Giuffre's accusations that he forced her to have sex more than two decades ago at a London home of former Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell, and abused her at two Epstein properties.
In the 2009 settlement, Epstein paid Giuffre $500,000, without admitting liability, to end her Florida lawsuit accusing him of sexually abusing her when she was underage.

LATE-YEAR TRIAL POSSIBLE

Kaplan's decision keeps Giuffre's case against Andrew on track for a trial that Kaplan has said could begin between September and December 2022 if no settlement is reached.
While the claims have not been proven and the prince is not accused of criminal wrongdoing, his ties to Epstein have damaged his reputation and cost him many royal duties.
Andrew's troubles grew after critics said he failed in a 2019 BBC interview to appear sympathetic toward Epstein's abuse victims.
A spokesman for Buckingham Palace declined to comment on Kaplan’s decision.
Epstein killed himself at age 66 in a Manhattan jail cell in August 2019 while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.
Maxwell, 60, was convicted on Dec. 29 of recruiting and grooming girls for Epstein to abuse between 1994 and 2004.
She is seeking a new trial after one juror told media, including Reuters, that during jury deliberations he had discussed being a victim of sexual abuse.

'MUDDLED' SETTLEMENT

In his 44-page decision, Kaplan said the "muddled" language in Giuffre's and Epstein's 2009 settlement agreement suggested that they may have reached "something of a middle ground" on shielding others from future lawsuits.
The settlement included language to "forever discharge" various people who "could have been included as a potential defendant" in Giuffre's lawsuit against Epstein.
"We do not know what, if anything, went through the parties' minds" when drafting the settlement, Kaplan wrote.
Giuffre and Andrew "have articulated at least two reasonable interpretations of the critical language," the judge continued. "The agreement therefore is ambiguous."
Settlement agreements can restrict plaintiffs like Giuffre from pursuing further litigation, even against third parties.
Kaplan also rejected Andrew's claim that letting Giuffre sue violated his due process rights under New York's constitution.
Giuffre sued Andrew last August, less than a week before the expiration of a state law giving accusers a two-year window to bring claims over alleged child abuse occurring long ago.
Kaplan called that window, which was extended by a year because of the COVID-19 pandemic, "a reasonable measure for remedying injustice to victims" of child sex abuse.


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The out-of-court financial settlement brings to an end the legal process and means the Duke will not face a jury trial


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The terms of the deal will remain secret, but the Duke confirmed he will make a 'substantial donation' to Ms Giuffre’s charity in support of victims’ rights
The deal brings an end to the legal process and means he will not face a jury trial in the civil case on sexual abuse claims.
The terms of the deal will remain secret, but in a joint statement the Duke expressed regret about his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein and confirmed that he will make a "substantial donation" to Ms Giuffre’s charity in support of victims’ rights.
Ms Giuffre alleged that she was sexually abused or raped by Prince Andrew on three separate occasions in 2001 when she was 17. She had sued him for unspecified damages.
In a joint statement, the two sides said: "Virginia Giuffre and Prince Andrew have reached an out of court settlement."
It said they would file a request to dismiss the case when the undisclosed sum had been received.

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Virginia Robert Giuffre had alleged that she was sexually abused or raped by Prince Andrew on three separate occasions in 2001 when she was 17 CREDIT: Mark Kauzlarich/Bloomberg
"Prince Andrew has never intended to malign Ms Giuffre’s character, and he accepts that she has suffered both as an established victim of abuse and as a result of unfair public attacks," it said.
"It is known that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked countless young girls over many years. Prince Andrew regrets his association with Epstein, and commends the bravery of Ms Giuffre and other survivors in standing up for themselves and others.
"He pledges to demonstrate his regret for his association with Epstein by supporting the fight against the evils of sex trafficking, and by supporting its victims."
In a joint court filing, the parties told the New York judge overseeing the case that they anticipated that it would be brought to a close within 30 days and asked that all action be suspended in the meantime.
The Duke had been due to give a deposition under oath on March 10.
Lisa Bloom, an attorney representing eight victims of Jeffrey Epstein, said in a statement: "We hail Virginia’s victory today. She has accomplished what no one else could: getting Prince Andrew to stop his nonsense and side with sexual abuse victims. We salute Virginia’s stunning courage."
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So... prison?

I hope so.

I doubt it.

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Dan Wootton asks: Was Prince Andrew right to settle with Virginia Giuffre?


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Virginia Giuffre profile: The abused teenager was 'passed around like a fruit platter'


Who is Virginia Giuffre? From Florida teen who took a job at a spa to vocal sex trafficking victim

Ms Giuffre was 16 when she first met Ghislaine Maxwell, the former girlfriend of sex offender Jeffrey Epstein

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As a teenager growing up in Palm Beach, Florida, Virginia Roberts lived just a few miles from her abuser, Jeffrey Epstein. But her childhood was a world away from the financier's life of wealth and privilege.

It was these tough early years - which saw her molested by a close family friend from the age of seven - that she says made her “easy prey”.

"I was just so mentally scarred already at such a young age, and I ran away from that," she said on BBC’s Panorama in 2019. She spent some time living on the streets, in and out of foster care.



At the age of 14, Ms Giuffre repaired her relationship with her father, Sky, and returned to live with him.

Looking to turn her life around, she took up a summer job working with Sky as a spa attendant at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort. It was there, aged 16, she first met Ghislaine Maxwell, the former girlfriend of sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and old friend of Prince Andrew’s from Oxford University.

She was reading a book about massage therapy when Maxwell approached her, noted the book and inquired about her interest in massage.

She offered her a potential job working for Epstein as a traveling masseuse with the assurance that no experience was necessary.

When Ms Giuffre, now 38, arrived at Epstein's mansion in Palm Beach the first time, she says he was lying down naked and she was instructed by Maxwell on how to massage him in exchange for a few hundred dollar bills.

"They seemed like nice people so I trusted them, and I told them I'd had a really hard time in my life up until then - I'd been a runaway, I'd been sexually abused, physically abused… That was the worst thing I could have told them because now they knew how vulnerable I was," she told the BBC.

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It was in the employ of Epstein that Ms Giuffre was groomed and abused, travelling between his homes in Florida, New York and his infamous private island in the Caribbean, over the course of two years.

Ms Giuffre claims she was held as virtual sex slave, trafficked around the world on Epstein’s private jets and “passed around like a platter of fruit" to the financier’s high-profile circle of friends, including the Duke of York, prominent lawyer Alan Dershowitz, and MC2 modeling agent Jean-Luc Brunel. All deny the allegations.

Her name appears over 30 times on the jet nicknamed The Lolita Express’s flight logs between 2000 and 2002, appearing to verify at least some of her claims.

Ms Giuffre in turn introduced a number of underage girls to Epstein and Maxwell as part of what she described as a “pyramid scheme” of sexual abuse. She later said she regretted doing so, but felt pressured by the couple.

In September 2002, at the age of 19, Ms Giuffre flew to Thailand to attend the International Training Massage School in Chiang Mai.

While at the massage school, she met Robert Giuffre, an Australian martial arts trainer, and the two married soon after. She and her new husband ran away to start a new life in Australia, and Ms Giuffre broke off contact with Epstein and Maxwell.

The couple now live a quiet life with their three children on a sun front home in Perth, largely shunning publicity.

In launching multiple lawsuits against Epstein, Maxwell, and others, Ms Giuffre became the most vocal of the sex trafficking ring’s victims.

Earlier this year, court documents from 2009 were unsealed which revealed Epstein paid Ms Giuffre $500,000 to resolve her legal claims against him.

Ms Guiffre brought a defamation case against Maxwell 2015 after the disgraced socialite called her a liar, which was settled in 2017. However she did not take part in the criminal case against Maxwell.

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