Re: The Strange World of Jeffrey Epstein

by Guest 04.07.20 8:23

Liz Eagles wrote:Charged and incarcerated without bail.

Why do I feel this trial, if it ever gets to trial, will take around 2 to 3 years

I wonder if it's a comfy place of incarceration.

by Liz Eagles 04.07.20 8:28

BlueBag wrote:
Liz Eagles wrote:Charged and incarcerated without bail.

Why do I feel this trial, if it ever gets to trial, will take around 2 to 3 years
I wonder if it's a comfy place of incarceration.

She is entitled to protection.

by Guest 04.07.20 8:37

Liz Eagles wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Liz Eagles wrote:Charged and incarcerated without bail.

Why do I feel this trial, if it ever gets to trial, will take around 2 to 3 years
I wonder if it's a comfy place of incarceration.
She is entitled to protection.

Some special prisoners get special prisons.

Open part-time ones sometimes.

I'd like to know a bit more of how she came to be arrested and where she was up to that point... was she even in the USA? I thought she wasn't.

Anyway... we'll see how this one plays out.

by Guest 04.07.20 8:43

Financial Times wrote:US officials said on Thursday that they had been keeping tabs on Ms Maxwell as they built their case. “We've been discreetly keeping tabs on Maxwell's whereabouts,” said William Sweeney, assistant director in charge of the FBI's New York field office. “More recently, we learnt she slithered away to a gorgeous property in New Hampshire, continuing to live a life of privilege while her victims live with the trauma inflicted on them years ago,” he added.

Interesting language from an official.

by Doug D 11.07.20 8:48

Official: Feds feared Epstein confidant might kill herself

Federal officials were so worried that Jeffrey Epstein’s longtime confidant Ghislaine Maxwell might take her own life after her arrest that they took away her clothes and bedsheets and made her wear paper attire

MICHAEL BALSAMO Associated Press
10 July 2020, 02:29

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by Silentscope 11.07.20 14:03

Today she wants Bail because she might catch CORONA in Jail!?

I can’t believe this...

by sallypelt 12.07.20 9:54

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I am speechless. Some of those images in that link are so disgusting that words fail me. There are some SICK people living in this world.
A world that is so far removed from the one that I grew up in.

by **PeterMac** 23.07.20 17:09

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Donald Trump, who this week said that he was unaware of the extent of Duke of York’s involvement with Jeffrey Epstein, had previously suggested that reporters should ask Prince Andrew about activities on the disgraced financier’s private Caribbean island.
The US president told an interviewer that the late millionaire’s hideaway, Little St James, where alleged sexual abuse took place was an “absolute cesspool”. Epstein, who was convicted of child sex offences, died in a prison cell in August last year.
“That island was really a cesspool, there’s no question about it, just ask Prince Andrew — he’ll tell you about it,” Mr Trump told the news agency Bloomberg in 2015, shortly before he entered the presidential race. “The island was an absolute cesspool.”
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by MTSTAR 23.07.20 18:42

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I am speechless. Some of those images in that link are so disgusting that words fail me. There are some SICK people living in this world.
A world that is so far removed from the one that I grew up in.

Those images are absolutely vile. What is it with those people?

by Doug D 24.07.20 9:18

Ghislaine Maxwell case: ‘extremely personal’ documents to be unsealed

New York judge orders documents unsealed after Maxwell’s lawyers had tried to keep them secret

Victoria Bekiempis Thu 23 Jul 2020 18.05 BST

An extensive collection of “extremely personal” documents in civil litigation against British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell can be unsealed, a Manhattan federal court judge ruled on Thursday.
The documents relate to Maxwell’s deposition in this litigation, as well as her early 2015 correspondence with her longterm associate, the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.
Maxwell was arrested earlier this month and charged over her alleged involvement with Epstein’s sex trafficking of minors. Maxwell pleaded not guilty on 14 July, and remains in jail while awaiting trial.
In the civil lawsuits, Maxwell’s lawyers had pushed to keep these records secret, claiming previously “this series of pleadings concerns [attempts] to compel Ms Maxwell to answer intrusive questions about her sex life” that are “extremely personal, confidential and subject to considerable abuse by the media”.
The Manhattan federal court judge ruled on Thursday that they could be unsealed, though Maxwell’s attorneys plan to appeal the decision.
“The court finds that the countervailing interests identified fail to rebut the presumption of public access,” judge Loretta Preska said during a telephone proceeding. “Accordingly, those papers shall be unsealed.”
The decision over these records stems from Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre’s 2015 civil lawsuit against Maxwell. Giuffre has alleged that Maxwell recruited her to work as Epstein’s masseuse at 15 years old, when she worked as a locker-room attendant in Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club in south Florida.
In this litigation, which has been settled, Giuffre alleged Maxwell had defamed her by saying that she was a liar in accusing Epstein and Maxwell of sexual misconduct.
Following Preska’s decision, one of Maxwell’s attorneys asked for two weeks to appeal this decision, given the new criminal case.
Preska said Maxwell’s team had one week to file the appeal motion, and asked to be informed if the appeals court didn’t rule within one week. She asked the attorneys to nonetheless continue working on preparing these papers for the release in the interim.
A large tranche of documents in this lawsuit was also released last August; they contained both sensational claims and denials that world leaders were involved in Epstein’s sex trafficking.
They were released shortly after Epstein’s arrest last July for sex trafficking. Epstein killed himself in prison in August.
More details soon …

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by Guest 24.07.20 9:24

MTSTAR wrote:
sallypelt wrote:https://wotansvolk.com/2019/09/22/satanic-underworld-all-the-epsteins-men-and-women/

I am speechless. Some of those images in that link are so disgusting that words fail me. There are some SICK people living in this world.
A world that is so far removed from the one that I grew up in.
Those images are absolutely vile. What is it with those people?

This is how politicians and others get compromised.

by MTSTAR 24.07.20 9:43

BlueBag wrote:
MTSTAR wrote:
sallypelt wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I am speechless. Some of those images in that link are so disgusting that words fail me. There are some SICK people living in this world.
A world that is so far removed from the one that I grew up in.
Those images are absolutely vile. What is it with those people?
This is how politicians and others get compromised.

I just don’t get how anyone could associate themselves with anything so revolting.

by **Jill Havern** 24.07.20 9:46

Dare I ask what they were doing?

beware

by MTSTAR 24.07.20 11:17

Jill Havern wrote:Dare I ask what they were doing?

Nobody is doing anything. It’s just beyond my comprehension how anyone could consider this to be art. Some pretty disturbing images of children too.

by Doug D 31.07.20 11:25

Ghislaine Maxwell Records Reveal 2015 Email From Jeffrey Epstein, New Alan Dershowitz Allegations

Lisette Voytko11:42pm EDT
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A highly anticipated trove of old court records from a settled defamation lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell by alleged victim Virginia Giuffre were released late Thursday evening, and reveal more information surrounding the dark saga of Jeffrey Epstein and his alleged sex ring of underage girls, including:

Over 600 pages of court documents were released Thursday night.

KEY FACTS
A 2015 email from Epstein to Maxwell that appears to be a draft of a statement Maxwell could provide to the press about the allegations surrounding them.
“Since [Jeffrey Epstein] was charged in [2007] for solicitation of a prostitute I have been the target of outright lies, innuendo, slander, defamation and salacious gossip and harassment,” part of the email to Maxwell reads.
Maxwell claimed to not have been in touch with Epstein for a decade, however, in her July 14 request for bail.
Giuffre, in a May 2016 deposition, said Maxwell acted as a “helicopter pilot” to Epstein’s private island in the Virgin Islands, and that Maxwell told her she flew former President Bill Clinton to the island, although Clinton has previously denied ever visiting there.
A 2014 document filed by two unnamed women claiming to be Epstein’s victims says one of the women—Jane Doe [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]—was kept by him as a “sex slave from about 1999 through 2002.”
The 2014 document also names former Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz as one of the people Jane Doe [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] was trafficked to; Dershowitz did not respond to a request for comment by Forbes, but has previously deniedGiuffre’s claims that she was forced to have sex with him.
Crucial quote
“The court is troubled—but not surprised—that Ms. Maxwell has yet again sought to muddy the waters as the clock ticks closer to midnight,” wrote U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska in response to an earlier request to delay the documents’ release. She ordered the unsealing during a July 23 hearing.
Big number
Over 600. That’s how many pages of documents were released. Along with the depositions and other documentation, communications from Giuffre and Maxwell’s lawyers were also included.
Key background
The documents were released after Maxwell’s lawyers seemed to pull every stop to prevent them from being made public. A Wednesday letter for reconsideration, which Preska called an “eleventh hour request,” was denied. Maxwell appealed the decision for two of her own 2016 depositions, which could be released Friday or Monday, saying they contain confidential information that is subject to a protective order from the case’s 2017 undisclosed settlement. Maxwell is being held without bail in a Brooklyn federal prison on charges of enticing and transporting minors as part of Epstein’s alleged sex ring, along with committing perjury during her 2016 depositions that are part of the Giuffre defamation case. Giuffre claims that Epstein and Maxwell forced her to have sex with their famous and powerful friends, including Prince Andrew and Dershowitz. Maxwell entered a not guilty plea to her charges and has denied all previous allegations. Prince Andrew and Dershowitz have also previously denied Giuffre’s allegations. Epstein died by suicide in a Manhattan prison August 2019 while waiting trial for federal sex trafficking charges.

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Further reading
Ghislaine Maxwell Court Records Release Imminent, Expected To Reveal More About Jeffrey Epstein (Forbes)

Ghislaine Maxwell Court Records Will Be Made Public, Judge Rules (Forbes)
Jeffrey Epstein Documents Could Expose Powerful Politicians, Businessmen (Forbes)

Unsealed Jeffrey Epstein Documents List New Allegations Against Powerful Men (Forbes)

Jeffrey Epstein’s Dark Façade Finally Cracks (Forbes)

Perversion of Justice (Miami Herald)

by **PeterMac** 31.07.20 17:22

Does anyone think there are NO CCTV images of everyone who visited the Island.

by sallypelt 31.07.20 21:01

PeterMac wrote:Does anyone think there are NO CCTV images of everyone who visited the Island.

Rachel Chandler and Bill Clinton had this photo taken on the plane owned by Jeffrey Epstein, The Lolita Express (Will Cover This and Link Here When Complete). Bill traveled to Epstein’s Island roughly 26 times.
The Clinton’s are not the only ones with connections to Chandler. Celebrities like Eminem, P Diddy, and others have also been seen with the under-aged Chandler.
As a Madam, she blackmailed several high level people across the globe. Many can be found in the Little Black Book from the Lolita Express

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Bill Clinton and Rachel Chandler on the Lolita Express (Credit: QMAP)

by **Jill Havern** 31.07.20 22:22

Secret Jeffrey Epstein Documents Have Been Released by Court Order. Read Them All Here.

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by **Verdi** 05.08.20 22:18

I've taken a screenshot of this posted on the wrong thread because I think it worthy of comment.

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Lady Colin Campbell is not a disgusting person, what she says is 100% spot-on. Epstein and his clan are not paedophiles, they have a penchant for teenagers. This is nothing new.

When my brother was 23 years he met a girl who was 14, they married seven years later - no way was he considered to be a paedophile. Also I once worked with a charming young lady who met her husband to be when she was 14 - he was a London copper. No way was he a paedophile.

Young men used to watch schoolgirls playing netball because they like the display of navy blue knickers. Love and lust make the world go round.

I'll wager these teenagers know exactly what they're doing when seduced by money and all that goes with it. Just the same as groupies who follow pop and rock bands around in the hope of copping off with one.

No good crying and running to mummy when things go wrong.

This moralistic Victorian (they were probably the worst offenders) attitude has been brought on by contemporary do-gooders and religious bigots - hiding behind the real unresolved problem of child abuse. Children who can't say yes or no.

Now .... call me disgusting waiting

by **Jill Havern** 05.08.20 22:31

I was 13 when I met my first boyfriend at school (he was 17) and I was pregnant when I was 17.5 years old, married at 18. We were together for 15 years. I didn't consider my boyfriend to be a paedophile and neither did my parents. In fact I didn't even know what paedophilia was back then.

Although I did meet a very pervy guy who worked in a launderette next to the shop I was working in when I was 14 and, in hindsight, I would say he was a paedophile. He was predatory. I would say he was in his late 20's. I knew the difference between him and my boyfriend.

by **Verdi** 06.08.20 0:39

Exactly, in the good old days no one ever heard of paedophilia.

When I was a kid, about 5 years old, I would go to the local grocer with a shopping list given by my mother. The grocer would pop-up from behind the counter with a little girl - I knew, even at that age, that something wasn't right. I told my parents who caused a stir, the grocer said I was lying because I stole something from his shop and was trying to cover for myself.

He lied and my parents didn't believe him.

Even in this day, the 21st century, countries across the globe (including Europe) accept the marriageable age to be various stages starting with puberty - around 13 for girls and 15 for boys. In particular countries it's not a crime - it's a man-made dictate according to differing moral standards.

Lady C is not disgusting. She's a delightful realist with years of life experience under her belt to stand her ground.

clapping

by **Jill Havern** 06.08.20 8:08

Obviously Epstein was guilty of sex offences because he went to prison.

At the moment, with regards to Prince Andrew, surely they're only allegations? He's been photographed with his arm around a girls waist, which isn't a crime - the same girl who now accuses him of sexual offences. He's also been photographed peeping out of a door and walking in a park with Epstein which also aren't crimes. Maybe Virginia only feels safe to say something now because Epstein is dead.

He always had a reputation for partying and the nickname given to him by the media was Randy Andy/Air miles Andy. Didn't they think to investigate his Randy-Andying at the time, especially when he was papped on yachts with young girls? Didn't they think to report him to the police or destroy his reputation and hound him out of the Royal Family back in the day, or did they think what he was doing was ok?

Where were the parents of these underage girls? If a daughter of mine, at that age, was off out on a plane to an island to give massages to a billionaire and his friends, or to spend time on a billionaire's yacht, I'd want to know about it. Surely the girls would have been out for more than a couple of hours, possibly even overnight, maybe even a few nights?

Maybe Prince Andrew was told/thought the girls were older than they really were. I'm not trying to defend him, because if he is guilty of these allegations then he must be prosecuted...but, at the moment, his very public flogging/removal from public duties/destruction of his reputation/damage to his children/wider family could lead to him taking his own life.

Then justice will never be served.

by **Verdi** 06.08.20 12:35

Indiscretion within Royalty is nothing new, throughout the ages they have been known to let's say .... let their hair down and party with a lot of romping.

They are only human, despite the expected standards imposed by moralistic ancient attitudes.

The wealthy live in a different world, they have the money and the front to pretty well do as they please. People like Branson open their private retreats to the rich and powerful, they live cheek by jowl in their haven of luxury, no holes barred - please excuse the crude inference.

I agree about Prince Andrew. If he's committed a crime then prosecute or exile him if his status prevents prosecution by law, otherwise leave him alone. Any excuse to find some dirt on the Royal family and the press are straight in there like a rat up the trouser leg.

What intrigues me, makes me suspicious about this whole affair, although other rich and powerful and famous persons have been mentioned in passing, Prince Andrew is the only one to my knowledge who has been named shamed and hounded.

Maybe the woman pictured with Prince Andrew has a personal vendetta?

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