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Post by Mainline on 05.03.19 20:02

@Verdi wrote:Mark Saunokonoko certainly can't be faulted for his diligence, presentation and accuracy so far.  

I genuinely don't think public awareness will solve this case, or indeed help in any way but that observation doesn't detract from the quality of Mr Saunokonoko's podcast nor his passion to see justice in the name of Madeleine McCann.  The podcast narrative is exemplary.

I believe his intentions to be 100% honourable - no one can take that away from him.  I'm looking forward to the next part.

 There's the crux, and I commend you for noticing, and more than that, for acknowledging it. hat
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Post by Jill Havern on 06.03.19 9:26

Top Maddie cop: 'I've seen nothing to make me think Gerry and Kate McCann had something to do with daughter's disappearance'


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A former senior UK cop who sent criminal profilers to investigate Madeleine McCann’s disappearance and whose final report helped trigger the UK investigation into the crime has told nine.com.au that despite some early questions he is now convinced Kate and Gerry are innocent of any wrong doing.
Jim Gamble, the former head of Child Exploitation and Online Protection centre (CEOP), has worked closely with Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry, ever since the couple’s three-year-old daughter suddenly went missing in Portugal in May 2007.
The arrival of specialist profilers to the coastal town of Praia da Luz on the Algarve gave British police “early exposure to the McCanns” and details of the case, Gamble told nine.com.au.
In episode two of Maddie, Nine.com.au’s new podcast investigating Madeleine’s disappearance, Gamble outlined the profilers’ mission, and potential crime scene scenarios his team explored.
"When the case first began to unravel … I began to simply watch the news feed and then get direct feedback from our team on the ground," Gamble said.
"Being a police officer, I am a cynic," he said.
"I believe that any good investigator clears the ground beneath their feet.

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"So of course the first people you suspect are the parents, because they are there, they are in proximity, it is their child.
"Did I believe at the beginning that the parents could possibly have done it? Yes. As time went on, did I see evidence that supported that hypothesis? No, I did not."


Jim Gamble, head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, is pictured in 2009 leaving the policing board headquarters in Belfast (Getty)
Gamble said as more evidence and information from Portugal came to light his team were convinced the McCanns were not involved.
"Now that's not to say that something couldn't turn up in the future where I think: 'Oh flip, you know I was right in the beginning and I'm wrong now'. But I've seen nothing, been briefed on nothing and heard nothing that would make me think that Gerry and Kate McCann [had] something to do with their daughter's disappearance."
In episode two of Maddie, two other former law enforcement officers highlight what they claim could be possible "red flags" relating to crime scene evidence and witness accounts on the night Madeleine went missing.
In 2009, Gamble wrote an extensive report that analysed the Portuguese police search for Madeleine. His report, commissioned by former Home Secretary Alan Johnson, led to London’s Metropolitan Police launching its own investigation, Operation Grange, into the McCann's holiday to Portugal.
Mark Saunokonoko's Madeleine McCann Podcasts - Page 4 Http%3A%2F%2Fprod.static9.netBritish police officers search an area of wasteland in 2014 during a search for evidence of Madeleine McCann in the town of Praia da Luz, Portugal where she went missing in May 2007. (AAP)Mark Saunokonoko's Madeleine McCann Podcasts - Page 4 Http%3A%2F%2Fprod.static9.netBritish girl Madeleine McCann before she went missing from a Portuguese holiday complex in May 2007. (AAP)
Gamble stepped down as head of CEOP, an agency once linked to the UK's Serious Organised Crime Agency, in 2010.
Kate and Gerry McCann have steadfastly denied they were involved in the disappearance of their daughter. Nine.com.au does not suggest they had any involvement.
Maddie is currently the number one podcast on Australia's iTunes chart, reaching that spot inside of 24 hours of launch.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 06.03.19 9:51

@Jill Havern wrote:Top Maddie cop: 'I've seen nothing to make me think Gerry and Kate McCann had something to do with daughter's disappearance'

By Mark Saunokonoko

A former senior UK cop who sent criminal profilers to investigate Madeleine McCann’s disappearance and whose final report helped trigger the UK investigation into the crime has told nine.com.au that despite some early questions he is now convinced Kate and Gerry are innocent of any wrong doing...
Is this really an article BY Mark Saunokonoko?

He is promoting the theories of Jim Gamble on nine.com.au??

When was this published please?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 06.03.19 11:23


OK, thank you very much.

So, to be clear then, Mark Saunokonoko has put his name to an article today on the 9.NEWS website which is headed:

"Top Maddie cop: 'I've seen nothing to make me think Gerry and Kate McCann had something to do with daughter's disappearance'
  
Of all the people to promote, he and 9.NEWS are promoting Jim Gamble!

If this series of podcasts is supposed to be an exciting opportunity to open up the Madeleine McCann case to the public, this is an absolutely terrible start - apart from the lucky break we had with the Sun article by Kandohla.

I wonder if in a subsequent post, Mark Saunokonoko is going to tell us how Jim Gamble and the McCanns have been joined at the hip since Day One, about the CEOP webpage set up for Madeleine by Jim Gamble on Monday 30 April, about how he wrote the 'scoping report' which led to the farce of Operation Grange, or of how many times Gamble and the McCanns have appeared together at conferences or on TV broadcasts and videos?

I hope so.

But I doubt it.  


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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

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Post by Doug D on 06.03.19 11:28

Podcast 2 @ 25.25

'Gamble said as more evidence and information from Portugal came to light his team were convinced the McCanns were not involved.
"Now that's not to say that something couldn't turn up in the future where I think: 'Oh flip, you know I was right in the beginning and I'm wrong now'. But I've seen nothing, been briefed on nothing and heard nothing that would make me think that Gerry and Kate McCann [had] something to do with their daughter's disappearance."


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Mark Saunokonoko makes absolutely no comment about JG's statements during the podcast, but it will be interesting to see if he comes back to it later when he looks at other evidence and contradictions. He does sat that JG will be involved in later episodes.
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Post by Phoebe on 06.03.19 11:58

Oh dear! Jim G is less than, well ... emphatic....   big grin about the McCanns' lack of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance - "Now that's not to say that something couldn't turn up in the future where I think, ' Oh flip I was right in the beginning and I'm wrong now', but I've seen nothing"...etc.
 A nice "out" for Jim in case he proves to have backed the wrong horse - "Ah shucks, there was stuff I hadn't seen or been made aware of, I was just going on the limited information I had". 
He's a typical self promoter, always conscious of watching his own back, and IMO, his self-serving caveat demonstrates that.
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Post by HiDeHo on 06.03.19 12:12

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A new podcast Maddie has taken the top spot on the podcast chart, hoping to shed light on the disappearance of Madeline McCann.
Maddie podcast creator and narrator Mark Saunokonoko speaks to Ben Fordham about the making of the podcast.
Hedley Thomas’s The Teacher’s Pet has aided police investigations and this podcast is hoping to do the same.
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Post by Doug D on 06.03.19 18:12

Interesting to read the comments under the PeterMac 'Mail' article, most of which are sympathetic to an abduction, just not out of the window.
 
It'll be interesting to see how they change once he brings in more contradictions and the dogs evidence, but if only one a week coming out, I fear it's going to lose impetus.
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Post by Verdi on 06.03.19 20:51

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

For example, the early 'disappearance' of Madeleine has been promoted with compelling evidence from all angles to justify the rationale.  Still folk refuse to see beyond the very early days of the investigation and Dr Amaral's resultant conclusions based on evidence available at the time.

Folk still want to believe the Smith family saw Gerry McCann carrying the body of Madeleine or a dummy child through the streets of Luz on the night of 3rd May - no matter how the very notion screams preposterous.

None so blind as those who don't wish to see.

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The UK’s largest police force hope their search for Madeleine McCann is about to be boosted by $500,000 so detectives can continue hunting for the missing girl.
But a former top detective who at one time was tipped to lead London Metropolitan Police’s search for Maddie told [size=18]nine.com.au the apparent narrow focus of Operation Grange - the UK police investigation into Madeleine’s vanishing - could well have been flawed, pointing to the lack of transparency surrounding it.

"The difficulty I have with Operation Grange is nobody really knows what they are doing because they are so secretive about it," Colin Sutton, a former Scotland Yard homicide detective, told nine.com.au.


Sutton said he "always had an issue" with the starting point of the Operation Grange inquiry, which he believes was primarily focused on a theory of abduction.
Madeleine went missing in 2007 aged just three years old while on holiday with her family in Portugal. She would be due to celebrate her 16th birthday in May.
"I believe … what Operation Grange is doing is following one line of inquiry, one theoretical route, one hypothesis about what happened," Sutton, who has solved 30-plus murders including catching notorious English serial killer Levi Bellfield, said.
"My view is you should start [an investigation] from scratch, and you look at everything. "
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However, since 2011, London’s Metropolitan Police have given away few specifics about the work they have done or the final remaining leads detectives state they have been chasing for the past few years.
Last week it was reported Operation Grange had requested $560,000 from the UK Home Office to extend the search for another 12 months, to March 2020. Typically, Operation Grange has only applied for six-month tranches of funding, totalling almost $22m since its launch in 2011.
In a rare media briefing about Operation Grange in 2017, the now retired London Met Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley was asked if Madeleine’s parents had ever been questioned under caution or considered suspects.
"The involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese," Rowley replied.
"We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of investigation."
Mark Saunokonoko's Madeleine McCann Podcasts - Page 4 Http%3A%2F%2Fprod.static9.netBritish girl Madeleine McCann before she went missing from a Portuguese holiday complex in May 2007. (AAP)
During questioning, he fended off criticism Operation Grange and its investigative remit of a potential abduction appeared to have a “closed mind” to the possibility of the involvement of someone known to the family, an accident or the girl walking out of the apartment.
"The McCanns are parents of a missing girl," Rowley said.
"However she left that apartment, she has been abducted. "
Since 2007, the McCanns have strenuously denied any involvement in the disappearance of their daughter. Nine.com.au does not suggest any involvement on their part.
Nine.com.au are currently investigating the McCann case in a new true crime podcast called Maddie. The multi-episode investigation rapidly hit number one in Australia and New Zealand, and has risen to number two in the UK iTunes podcast charts.
In the opening episode of Maddie, Sutton detailed why some of the case evidence and events in the 12 years that have elapsed since Maddie vanished are a "wholly exceptional set of circumstances" which sometimes appear fantastical.
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"Madeleine McCann is the one case everybody knows about, a case where there is hardened public opinion," Sutton told nine.com.au.
"If you go into any pub, club, cinema or public place and ask someone what they think about the Madeleine McCann case and they will probably have an opinion. Some of those opinions are extreme, at both ends of the spectrum."
The Home Office is expected to announce their decision on the Operation Grange funding request later this month.
"I have got no problem with Operation Grange continuing ... if it is doing the right things and going in the right direction," Sutton said.
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Post by Verdi on 09.03.19 11:58

With the greatest respect Paddington2007, your post ^^^ is such a mess it makes little or no sense.

This is the news report (I've omitted the images as they are of no importance) - if there is anything further you would like included let me know and I'll see if I can add for you..

UK's epic police search for Madeleine McCann possibly 'flawed' from the start, top cop claims


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11:08am Mar 9, 2019

The UK’s largest police force hope their search for Madeleine McCann is about to be boosted by $500,000 so detectives can continue hunting for the missing girl.

But a former top detective who at one time was tipped to lead London Metropolitan Police’s search for Maddie told nine.com.au the apparent narrow focus of Operation Grange - the UK police investigation into Madeleine’s vanishing - could well have been flawed, pointing to the lack of transparency surrounding it.

"The difficulty I have with Operation Grange is nobody really knows what they are doing because they are so secretive about it," Colin Sutton, a former Scotland Yard homicide detective, told nine.com.au.

Sutton said he "always had an issue" with the starting point of the Operation Grange inquiry, which he believes was primarily focused on a theory of abduction.

Madeleine went missing in 2007 aged just three years old while on holiday with her family in Portugal. She would be due to celebrate her 16th birthday in May.

"I believe … what Operation Grange is doing is following one line of inquiry, one theoretical route, one hypothesis about what happened," Sutton, who has solved 30-plus murders including catching notorious English serial killer Levi Bellfield, said.

"My view is you should start [an investigation] from scratch, and you look at everything. "

However, since 2011, London’s Metropolitan Police have given away few specifics about the work they have done or the final remaining leads detectives state they have been chasing for the past few years.

Last week it was reported Operation Grange had requested $560,000 from the UK Home Office to extend the search for another 12 months, to March 2020. Typically, Operation Grange has only applied for six-month tranches of funding, totalling almost $22m since its launch in 2011.

In a rare media briefing about Operation Grange in 2017, the now retired London Met Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley was asked if Madeleine’s parents had ever been questioned under caution or considered suspects.

"The involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese," Rowley replied.

"We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of investigation."

During questioning, he fended off criticism Operation Grange and its investigative remit of a potential abduction appeared to have a “closed mind” to the possibility of the involvement of someone known to the family, an accident or the girl walking out of the apartment.

"The McCanns are parents of a missing girl," Rowley said.

"However she left that apartment, she has been abducted. "

Since 2007, the McCanns have strenuously denied any involvement in the disappearance of their daughter. Nine.com.au does not suggest any involvement on their part.

Nine.com.au are currently investigating the McCann case in a new true crime podcast called Maddie. The multi-episode investigation rapidly hit number one in Australia and New Zealand, and has risen to number two in the UK iTunes podcast charts.

In the opening episode of Maddie, Sutton detailed why some of the case evidence and events in the 12 years that have elapsed since Maddie vanished are a "wholly exceptional set of circumstances" which sometimes appear fantastical.

"Madeleine McCann is the one case everybody knows about, a case where there is hardened public opinion," Sutton told nine.com.au.

"If you go into any pub, club, cinema or public place and ask someone what they think about the Madeleine McCann case and they will probably have an opinion. Some of those opinions are extreme, at both ends of the spectrum."

The Home Office is expected to announce their decision on the Operation Grange funding request later this month.

"I have got no problem with Operation Grange continuing ... if it is doing the right things and going in the right direction," Sutton said.

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Post by Verdi on 09.03.19 12:04

Interesting to note Mr Saunokonoko from across the other side of the globe, can report the figure pf $560.000 (to be precise), when there has been no mention here in the UK.

I think Colin Sutton should butt-out.  He is clearly not an authority on the case of missing Madeleine McCann - he appears to talk as his bank balance guides him.

What is it with Australia and this man?

ETA: It's really no surprise that Mr Saunokonoko's Madeleine McCann podcasts are in the 'Top Ten', considering the amount of publicity afforded - even years before they materialised.

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Post by Doug D on 10.03.19 10:41

Verdi:
 
‘Interesting to note Mr Saunokonoko from across the other side of the globe, can report the figure of $560.000 (to be precise), when there has been no mention here in the UK.’
 
Not really. This is just a  straight conversion of £300k to Aus. Dollars. The last few awards have been reportedly £150k for six months, therefore a years funding request would equate to £300k.
 
The interview with MS highlighted by HiDeHo says Part 3 of the podcast will be with us tomorrow, so Monday morning in the UK with luck.
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The link is showing up as an error. Is there another link please.
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Worked ok for me, his DNA claim could be very interesting
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Post by Liz Eagles on 10.03.19 14:42

Thanks for the links DougD and HiDeHo. It is not supported by the browser I use. I'll try another.
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Post by Jill Havern on 10.03.19 14:59

HKP wrote:Worked ok for me, his DNA claim could be very interesting
Indeed! I can't wait for the new installment.
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Post by HiDeHo on 11.03.19 0:40

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