Mark Saunokonoko's Madeleine McCann Podcasts

I'm sorry PeterMac wasn't featured a lot more than just the window shutter mechanism.  When you consider the extent of his past work reflected in his free e-book..

http://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/

Still, I guess his conclusions on many issues, didn't quite fit-in with the mainstream thesis - I call that selective marketing.

In recent times, both Pat Brown and Colin Sutton have engaged with Australian media. Both have said they were misquoted.

I see no objections by either Pat Brown or Colin Sutton to say they have been misquoted by Channel 9's podcast.

Mark Saunokonoko is not charged with solving the mystery of Madeleine's disappearance, that is the job for police in two countries and this forum cries out for those police in high ranks to do their duty.

As docos go, this has to be the best and bravest to date within the realms of not saying too much for fear of being sued. As to whether it will make the police do their duty is another matter.

It adheres strictly to the Amaral thesis of yesteryear, strongly supported by Pat Brown and assorted social media'ites.

If nothing else, it's given ammunition for a greater divide between contrasting theorists, which is a shame because I prfefer to think we are a united force working towards the same ultimate goal - justice in the name of Madeleine McCann, rather than internecine war created by discord on different aspects of the case.  I would have been more positive if I saw evidence of true investigative journalism, rather than pulling on the power of social media.

My final word on the subject - if you've got sensitive information that can't be divulged, then keep it to yourself, don't tell the world.  Or to put it bluntly .... put up or shut up!

'Concealed' police statements impeded investigation into potential paedophile ring link, ex Maddie detective claims

By Mark Saunokonoko
11:18am May 13, 2019

British police allegedly "concealed" statements in the Madeleine McCann case and impeded a line of inquiry into possible links to an international paedophile ring, according to allegations from the Portuguese detective who led the 2007 investigation.
Speaking in Episode 10 of Maddie, nine.com.au's podcast investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, Goncalo Amaral made a series of stunning claims in a rare interview with English-speaking media.
Mr Amaral detailed a potential line of inquiry he believed may have helped work out what happened to Madeleine. It involved the possibility of an international paedophile ring that may have had links to people close to, or in contact with, the McCann family, without the McCanns' knowledge.



He claimed some statements which may have been relevant to that line of inquiry had been initially withheld by British police, who at the time were working in tandem with the Portuguese.
"The British authorities tried to conceal the statement and nothing was done about this statement," Mr Amaral said.
"They were not followed up. Nobody investigated anything related to them."
Mr Amaral alleged his team of detectives had asked British police for further information about a potential person of interest but were informed they held "absolutely nothing" of significance.

"Of course … when the British police stated that they did not have any information, they already had the statements," he said.
"So, there is this issue with the British police concealing information that they already had.
"When the statements finally arrived, they came mixed up with other papers," Mr Amaral alleged.

Nine.com.au contacted the Leicestershire Police about the claims but was referred to Scotland Yard's Operation Grange. A Scotland Yard spokesperson declined to comment.
Further details about the explosive allegations from Mr Amaral are detailed in Episode 10 of Maddie, which charted at number 1 in the UK, Australia and New Zealand soon after its March release.
Last weekend nine.com.au reported how Mr Amaral said his team of detectives had been searching for a mystery apartment where they believed Madeleine's body could have been temporarily hidden in a freezer.
He said before that line of inquiry could be concluded he was removed from the case in October 2007.
Mr Amaral was replaced after he was quoted in a newspaper criticising British police who were on the ground in Praia da Luz.

Kate and Gerry McCann, both doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, have strenuously denied they were involved in the disappearance of their daughter, and nine.com.au does not suggest any involvement on their part.
Portuguese and British police have both conducted huge investigations which have so far failed to find the missing girl or arrest any suspects.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-police-statements-buried-investigation-goncalo-amaral-podcast/eeefd421-5429-463e-b013-0e84556ee6ac

It would appear he, Gonçalo Amaral, through an interpreter conversing with Mark Saunokonoko, is here referring to the Gasper statements.

If I'm correct, the above is very misleading and will give the listener/reader a totally wrong impression of the PJ investigation.  As stand alone information, it implies that the PJ were following the paedophile abduction hypothesis.  If you listen to the whole podcast it wouldn't become any clearer, it was a mistake to include those brief moments of an interpretation of a few M. Amaral words.  They are meaningless, it would have been far better to use direct quotes from the PJ files, or The Truth of the Lie - it's all there for anyone that's interested.

I do detest release of these little snippets of information.  It's like taking one sentence from David Payne's rogatory epistle and basing your entire case on that alone.  It might draw the crowds and make you number one on the hit parade but that's not what this is all about - it's about, or should be about, trying to unravel the truth behind Madeleine McCann's mysterious disappearance.

It's tantamount to sensationalism.

Verdi wrote:It would appear he, Gonçalo Amaral, through an interpreter conversing with Mark Saunokonoko, is here referring to the Gasper statements.

If I'm correct, the above is very misleading and will give the listener/reader a totally wrong impression of the PJ investigation.  As stand alone information, it implies that the PJ were following the paedophile abduction hypothesis.  If you listen to the whole podcast it wouldn't become any clearer, it was a mistake to include those brief moments of an interpretation of a few M. Amaral words.  They are meaningless, it would have been far better to use direct quotes from the PJ files, or The Truth of the Lie - it's all there for anyone that's interested.

I do detest release of these little snippets of information.  It's like taking one sentence from David Payne's rogatory epistle and basing your entire case on that alone.  It might draw the crowds and make you number one on the hit parade but that's not what this is all about - it's about, or should be about, trying to unravel the truth behind Madeleine McCann's mysterious disappearance.

It's tantamount to sensationalism.

What national/international media has ever dared to quote the Gaspar statements or make direct reference to them in any way whatsoever?

I don't do the facebewk groups or Twitter (I call it Gutter), I don't even read the Facebewk groups. I gave up reading Textusa when my arteries began to curdle as if sitting for endless hours on a long haul flight destination nowhere.

All of it is sensationalism. Some people want applause, others don't - a really good example of the latter is Jill Havern.

I happen to think that the podcast exhibited Pat Brown as a bit of a ranter. Colin Sutton seems to be constantly on television screens and is always introduced as the man who solved high profile murder cases. Both Pat Brown and Colin Sutton are nothing more than media pundits and yes Verdi, I am disappointed to see their slot given so much time as neither offered anything much.

Peter MacLeod offered a great deal more.

If I might add - even Duarte Levy was called upon to add to the list of interviewees.

The same Duarte Levy, who proved himself to be less than honourable some years ago.

'Gamechanger' in Madeleine McCann mystery waits patiently while cold case continues to stagnate
9news.com.au
'Gamechanger' in Madeleine McCann mystery waits patiently while cold case ... The Madeleine McCann case appears to have been stuck in a state of ...

https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-what-we-learned-in-maddie-podcast/f43be997-1692-4146-9c68-3ce5dd8bf375

For anyone to think the PJ or Scotland Yard are/were not aware of this advanced technique is silly.

For the media to lay down the gauntlet and garner readership figures is even more silly.

It is for the PJ and SY to do the right thing. So far, neither authority has done the right thing.

There is of course a distinct possibility that neither the PJ nor the Metropolitan police consider this unqualified cyber technique to be of any value.

The States are far more flexible as regards unorthodox principles.

They, the official police, are not obliged to respond or explain their rationale to anyone but the law itself.

Verdi wrote:There is of course a distinct possibility that neither the PJ nor the Metropolitan police consider this unqualified cyber technique to be of any value.

The States are far more flexible as regards unorthodox principles.

They, the official police, are not obliged to respond or explain their rationale to anyone but the law itself.

Precisely. Well said.

Commiserations to you re the 9news podcast (created in Australia). Sorry some of you had to suffer the experience of listening to it.

You need to know that many of our nation's cleverest people, including Rowan Dean (Outsiders on TV; Spectator magazine), whom Jill has cited for his views on Brexit and Nigel etc., and moi of course, NEVER watch the ABC or commercial TV. And therefore don't listen to podcasts that emanate from those places. Or ravings from the WOKE feminista. Well I do get tempted to listen sometimes. You should hear the crappy ones on the William Tyrrell case. 

But now you need to send your commiserations to me because I have to listen when people tell me all about Madeleine's "abduction" and the rest of the fantasy. Actually I don't listen for long before turning into a monster. Thank you Mark (and Colin and others who have come here to show off). 

Now the rest of this thread belongs to climate change but while I am on a roll about the anti-intellectuals in Oz, forgive me for posting here. How vomitous is the following news? 

Today the temperature is 41 or something somewhere. The PM is returning from his family holiday in Hawaii because the Green media are calling him a murderer because two fire fighters died - which is so heart breaking but the Lefties have to score political points on the back of the grief of their countrymen's families. Mind you they are not abusing the real murderers, the arsonists. 

It has been revealed by proper scientist, one who understands physics (as opposed to THE science peddled by Saint Greta), how temperatures can only go on the record if they use a Centigrade thermometer and a certain type of screen (I have to look up the details later). She explained how the adjustments were made if the approved thermometer was not used, resulting in some readings being adjusted downwards and the temperature at the same place at another time being adjusted upwards (bigger increase recorded). She has seen the handwritten records herself and that guy who read the 51.6 knew what he was witnessing. However, the reason given for the record being deleted was that the worker "should not have been at work that day". Seems that the poor bugger was really excited by his job.

I give up!

PS: I may not be 100 per cent accurate because I only heard this while I was writing about the Madeleine podcast. 
PPS: Sorry about the odd typo. Gotta go and turn on the air conditioner.

PS: In my previous rant about highest temperature ever recorded in Oz, the scientist was referring to records of the Bureau of Meteorology. Also I did not make it clear that the recorded, now deleted, temperature in Burke in 1909 was 51.6 while today it is around 41 (the highest ever the media are telling us)

Milo wrote:Commiserations to you re the 9news podcast (created in Australia). Sorry some of you had to suffer the experience of listening to it.

You need to know that many of our nation's cleverest people, including Rowan Dean (Outsiders on TV; Spectator magazine), whom Jill has cited for his views on Brexit and Nigel etc., and moi of course, NEVER watch the ABC or commercial TV. And therefore don't listen to podcasts that emanate from those places. Or ravings from the WOKE feminista. Well I do get tempted to listen sometimes. You should hear the crappy ones on the William Tyrrell case. 

But now you need to send your commiserations to me because I have to listen when people tell me all about Madeleine's "abduction" and the rest of the fantasy. Actually I don't listen for long before turning into a monster. Thank you Mark (and Colin and others who have come here to show off). 

Now the rest of this thread belongs to climate change but while I am on a roll about the anti-intellectuals in Oz, forgive me for posting here. How vomitous is the following news? 

Today the temperature is 41 or something somewhere. The PM is returning from his family holiday in Hawaii because the Green media are calling him a murderer because two fire fighters died - which is so heart breaking but the Lefties have to score political points on the back of the grief of their countrymen's families. Mind you they are not abusing the real murderers, the arsonists. 

It has been revealed by proper scientist, one who understands physics (as opposed to THE science peddled by Saint Greta), how temperatures can only go on the record if they use a Centigrade thermometer and a certain type of screen (I have to look up the details later). She explained how the adjustments were made if the approved thermometer was not used, resulting in some readings being adjusted downwards and the temperature at the same place at another time being adjusted upwards (bigger increase recorded). She has seen the handwritten records herself and that guy who read the 51.6 knew what he was witnessing. However, the reason given for the record being deleted was that the worker "should not have been at work that day". Seems that the poor bugger was really excited by his job.

I give up!

PS: I may not be 100 per cent accurate because I only heard this while I was writing about the Madeleine podcast. 
PPS: Sorry about the odd typo. Gotta go and turn on the air conditioner.

I'm a Brit and love an Aussie rant.

https://www.theguardian.com/info/ng-interactive/2022/nov/14/guardian-australia-meet-the-team

Did we know that Mark was working for Guardian Australia as Assistant News Editor?  I spotted this on the FB link that was posted the other day.

Apologies if already posted.

Ladyinred wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/info/ng-interactive/2022/nov/14/guardian-australia-meet-the-team

Did we know that Mark was working for Guardian Australia as Assistant News Editor?  I spotted this on the FB link that was posted the other day.

Apologies if already posted.

Responsible position too. Gosh that's a huge staff team.

Guardian Australia is the Australian website of the British global online and print newspaper, The Guardian.
Available solely in an online format, the newspaper's launch was led by Katharine Viner in time for the 2013 Australian federal election and followed the introduction of Guardian US in 2011. Guardian Australia is owned by Guardian Media Group, which is in turn owned by the Scott Trust, which aims to stay independent and free from 'commercial pressures'.^[3] The online publication relies on digital advertising and voluntary reader donations or subscriptions for revenue, eschewing enforced paywalls implemented by other news websites.^[4]
WIKI

I am slightly surprised by that move and career choice.  I had thought he was more independent and iconoclastic.

#439

Yes, Peter Mac. An interesting observation about Mark S.

There is nothing independent at The Guardian!!

The Guardian is nicknamed “The Turnbull Times” after the previous turn-coat [Liberal] PM of the same name (and funds).

I've not heard that nickname for The Guardian, is it an Australian saying?  I bought the Guardian daily for most of my adult life.  I read just a few sections now online, as I don't agree with most of its politics.

I would say it is more independent than most of the UK newspapers and owned by a Trust.

I'll have a look at that.  Thanks.

Just to clarify, The Guardian (Australia), aka The Turnbull Times (nickname), is the newspaper of the far Left in Oz.

Me too Ladyinred. I read it for years but then couldn't access it and when I could once again found it had changed dramatically to a paper I no longer felt comfortable with. I will try this Off Guardian.

I look at it online most days and will normally find something interesting to read but yes, politically, it doesn't fit with me any more.

I know it's a topical issue, but it is obsessed with climate change.

ETA, off-topic but it's great we have a few Australians here

Ladyinred wrote:I've not heard that nickname for The Guardian, is it an Australian saying?  I bought the Guardian daily for most of my adult life.  I read just a few sections now online, as I don't agree with most of its politics.

I would say it is more independent than most of the UK newspapers and owned by a Trust.

The Guardian followed the MSM concerning the MC case. I remember writing them in 2007 about the allegedly open window and they answered in a patronizing way,  you're not going to question what the mother saw in the bedroom, are you?

CaKeLoveR wrote:None of my curtains whoosh when I open a window, no matter how windy the weather. And they are all made of lightweight fabric.

Perhaps open two windows, opposite orientation, and see.