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Post by Inspector 999 on 23.12.18 13:56

Goncalo Amaral has stated, 'What I know tells me that Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A.'
Given the fact that 
a) cadaver dogs could smell death and blood in the apartment
Why has there never been an investigation into any deaths in this apartment?

There has been a precedent in the US where if proven also that there is enough blood in a room, connective tissue, that this can be understood to be a murder if enough blood can be found to be have lost from a person (child) so that she died.

If this were proven with technology today, that Maddie lost enough blood in that room that she would have died

a) surely this would turn into an investigation of her death and
b) there would be no more talk about Maddie being missing

Please let us stop discussing abductions. This is murder or manslaughter in my opinion.
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Post by PeterMac on 23.12.18 14:05

or accident . . .?

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Post by Verdi on 23.12.18 22:47

@Inspector 999 wrote:Goncalo Amaral has stated, 'What I know tells me that Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A.'
Given the fact that 
a) cadaver dogs could smell death and blood in the apartment
Why has there never been an investigation into any deaths in this apartment?

There has been a precedent in the US where if proven also that there is enough blood in a room, connective tissue, that this can be understood to be a murder if enough blood can be found to be have lost from a person (child) so that she died.

If this were proven with technology today, that Maddie lost enough blood in that room that she would have died

a) surely this would turn into an investigation of her death and
b) there would be no more talk about Maddie being missing

Please let us stop discussing abductions. This is murder or manslaughter in my opinion.
Firstly welcome  to the forum Inspector 999.

If I'm reading you correctly, the information you question is all contained in the PJ files released into the public domain in the summer of 2008.  I have extracted the appropriate text..

The PJ forensic examination - 4th May 2007

09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2315

The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative

There proceeded the search for possible blood traces in all of the apartment, using a variable- wave light source appropriate for the task.This search resulted in the detection of several spots having a red-brown tone that suggested blood, which were subjected to a "Kastle-Mayer" peroxidise test, the result obtained, in all cases, being negative.

There also proceeded the observation and search for blood traces inside the apartment using a chemical product to find latent blood traces. In the application of the referred product no results characteristic of the presence of blood traces were found

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm
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Photos 2 through 8: External shots of the front and side of the apartment.


According to information provided by the DIC of Portimao, on 31 July 2007 a search had been performed inside the apartment using English police dogs one specialised in the detection of traces of human blood and the other in the detection of human cadaver scent.

They informed further that in that search the animal specialised in detection of human blood indicated the possible presence thereof on one of the floor tiles in the living room and that the dog specialised in detection of human cadaver odour had detected the presence thereof in the couple's bedroom and in the back garden of the apartment.

Because of this it was also asked of the undersigned that they entered into contact with an English scientific advisor, named Jonathan Smith, who indicated which traces should be collected and the best way to proceed with their collection.

In that contact the undersigned were told that they should proceed with the recovery of the floor tiles indicated by the dog specialised in the detection of human blood, with the recovery of hair in the corridor [pathway] that exists in the area of the back garden next to the window of the couple's bedroom, with the recovery of several pieces of the branches of the climbing plant in the garden (for later check of possible blood traces on them) and with the recovery of possible fibres on the garden wall next to the climbing plant.

He advised further that after the recovery of the tiles the animal specialised in detection of human blood should perform another search of the area from where the tiles had been recovered to verify the existence of possible human blood in the area from where the tiles had been lifted.

Subsequently it was asked of the undersigned that they watched the films of the searches performed by the dog specialised in detection of human blood so that they obtained an understanding of the area from where the tiles should be collected and how many tiles they should collect.

After seeing the images and in agreement with the officers of DIC of Portimao it was defined that the undersigned should proceed with the recovery of four tiles. It was also defined that this operation of recovery of the tiles would also be filmed.
When looking at the images referred to above it was observed that the floor tiles to be recovered were situated in an area of the living room next to a window where there was a sofa and that the tiles referred to were underneath that sofa.
s requested by investigating officers of the DIC of Portimao it was performed the lifting and respective recovery of the four tiles and of the skirting board next to them (they being identified with numbers 1 to 4) using a tile trimmer, a flat chisel and a hammer.

After the recovery of the four tiles and the skirting board the dog specialised in the detection of traces of human blood was put into the area from where the tiles had been recovered, the English police officer who coordinated the movement of the dog, Martin Grime, having informed the undersigned that they should proceed with the recovery of another piece of tile that was close to the area from where the tile identified as number 1 had been lifted, that terminating the recovery of the tiles signalled by the dog. As requested the undersigned performed the lifting of and the recovery of the piece of tile indicated.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_EDDIE-KEELA.htm
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The Truth of the Lie by Gonçalo Amaral


Keela, a scenes of crime specialist, is capable of locating particles of blood even after a place has been cleaned with chemical products or bleach. Sometimes, the residues are so microscopic they are missed by the instruments of the forensic police, as sophicticated as they are, and it’s impossible to harvest them without taking all of what they are on.

Eddie is always the first to be brought onto a site. Once he has discerned the odour that he knows so well, it’s Keela’s turn to go into action, on the lookout for the slightest whiff of blood. The simultaneous presence of the two elements in a given place – blood and cavaver odours – is taken to indicate that a body has been there and that it’s probably there that the death occurred.

Then it’s Keela’s turn to intervene. She points her muzzle at the same place where Eddie gave the alert: traces of blood are found on the tiling between the window and the sofa.

From then on, we are sure that, at a given moment, there was a body in apartment 5A. We now have to interview firemen, medical services personnel, previous tenants and employees of the Ocean Club to make sure that no death has taken place in this accommodation, which they confirm. So, we can conclude that the odour discovered is certainly that of Madeleine Beth McCann.

HARVESTING OF THE SAMPLES DERIVED FROM THE SPECIALIST DOGS’ INSPECTIONS

So that the items of evidence might constitute admissible proof, the harvesting and packing must conform to the rules avoiding all risk of deterioration and contamination. It is experts from our police forensic laboratory who carry out the harvesting. The minuscule traces cannot be gathered in situ, so the tiling is gently lifted out before being transferred to the Forensic Science Laboratory in Birmingham.

Photos bear witness to every stage of the operation. For added security, it is the expert responsible for the collection who takes them to FSS on the morning of August 7th.

The choice of this laboratory is not insignificant. Apart from their use of cutting-edge technologies – LCN (Low Copy Number) a DNA identification test, used particularly when only microscopic samples are available -, the results, whatever they might be will not be able to be contested by the British since it’s one of their most reliable laboratories.

All other items of evidence gathered – the keys to the McCanns’ car, hair and traces of blood found in the boot – are also sent to England.

http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/search?q=forensics
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The detail of the FSS forensic analysis of the samples submitted following crime scene inspection by the specialist dogs Eddie and Keela, are extensive and confusing, there is so much repetition and cross-referencing.  I don't have the time nor inclination to go through every minute detail as regards the results of the FSS forensic examinations - suffice to say that from all the samples submitted not one produced a positive result.

For anyone interested in the finer detail, it's all here in John Lowe's report..

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

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Post by Hobs on 23.12.18 23:11

@PeterMac wrote:or accident . . .?


"It's just nonsense! And if she died when we were in the apartment, or fell, why would we cover that up?"

HI peter, here we have gerry's answer,given using the process of free editing.

As we know they have covered up Maddie's death, concealed her body and filed a false police report, we can say her death was non accidental.
Using gerry's own words.

Had it been accidental, they would not have needed to cover it up.

They covered it up therefore it was non accidental.

Which leaves manslaughter, perhaps during the commission of a different crime such as neglect or something more serious involving paedophilia hence the paedophile abductor story which any incriminating evidence would be blamed on him or murder premeditated or the end result of another crime such as paedophilia and Maddie died as result.
Premeditated could be anything from the moment the twins were born and Maddie was surplus to requirements perhaps having been offered to family members who perhaps said no and they decided Maddie had to go, right up to the moment, the very second Maddie was killed, even a second before the act that she died of, when they could have pulled back from the brink.
Giving her sedation knowing it was of a high enough dose that may kill her would make it murder even if she died as a result of something happening her whilst under the influence of sedation.

Kate also told us it was murder when she dropped herself and gerry right in it when she said of the Portuguese police:
"They want me to lie - I'm being framed.
"Police don't want a MURDER in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they're blaming us."'


Had it been an accidental death via sedation they could have claimed she must have eaten them when they were sleeping and they didn't know until they couldn't wake her.

Whatever her cause of death, they could not allow Maddie to be autopsied.
An autopsy would have been damning and revealed the truth of the lie.

It could/would have revealed signs perhaps of old injuries, scars, fractures, things that may have resulted in a trip to hospital or the doctor and yet there being no record of her being treated.
Signs perhaps of sexual abuse, fissures or tissue damage which would have resulted in investigation and possible charges and jail time,UTI's which would have required treatment and perhaps investigation and doctors are mandated reporters which would have resulted in investigations, interviews and possibly charges and jail time at worst and loss of children or supervision by social services which would have meant loss of jobs.

Evidence of long term sedation being found in hair samples which would have meant investigation, social workers, charges and loss of jobs.

There was evidence that could not be explained away as an accident or on an alleged abductor, hair samples show drug traces going back 6 months, a year or longer and Maddie being autopsied within days.

Kate introduced the word MURDER using the process of free editing when the expected word would have been abduction.
She told us it was murder, believe her.








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Post by Dannz on 27.02.19 0:59

@PeterMac wrote:or accident . . .?

Or death by accident resulting from gross negligence i.e. manslaughter.
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Post by sar on 27.02.19 9:53

"The Truth of the Lie by Gonçalo Amaral

Keela, a scenes of crime specialist, is capable of locating particles of blood even after a place has been cleaned with chemical products or bleach. Sometimes, the residues are so microscopic they are missed by the instruments of the forensic police, as sophicticated as they are, and it’s impossible to harvest them without taking all of what they are on.

Eddie is always the first to be brought onto a site. Once he has discerned the odour that he knows so well, it’s Keela’s turn to go into action, on the lookout for the slightest whiff of blood. The simultaneous presence of the two elements in a given place – blood and cavaver odours – is taken to indicate that a body has been there and that it’s probably there that the death occurred.

Then it’s Keela’s turn to intervene. She points her muzzle at the same place where Eddie gave the alert: traces of blood are found on the tiling between the window and the sofa. 

From then on, we are sure that, at a given moment, there was a body in apartment 5A. We now have to interview firemen, medical services personnel, previous tenants and employees of the Ocean Club to make sure that no death has taken place in this accommodation, which they confirm. So, we can conclude that the odour discovered is certainly that of Madeleine Beth McCann."
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