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Post by Verdi on 17.11.20 12:17

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Take your head away from media reports and you might start to see the bigger picture.  Your commentary is so inconsistent, the result of taking too much notice of press reports from across the world.

You think dissecting the poor quality copy documentation taken from the PJ files will help three police forces from the developed world solve the case of a missing child - an investigation that has been rumbling on for over a period of thirteen years?  A case that is so clearly a state cover-up?

The Portuguese police were hampered by outside interference in what would otherwise be a routine investigation, not by some clapped-out data base or primitive technology.

Asides, there could be any number of reasons why the poor quality rental documentation shows what some think to be suspicious anomalies.  What comes out of a computer is fed in by a humanoid in the first place.

It's not possible to draw a map of a day in the life of a Renault Scenic - you would have to speak with the key players.  That is what the police do when investigating a crime.  If you present an armchair detective perspective of any specific scenario to a police force, without evidence but based only on supposition and presumption, you would be laughed out of the station - destined for the garbage.  If you proceed, please don't submit your hypotheses in the name of CMOMM - we can do without the humiliation.

ETA: I will move posts relating to the hired car later today, when I have time, so you can continue your discussion. This is an important thread which shouldn't be taken so far off topic.

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Post by Verdi on 17.11.20 12:33

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I wonder how this would have all played out if the McCanns had not been given access to the police files.

I've said time and time again, I bet the McCanns are laughing their socks off when they see the online chaos created by their little games - who needs comedy greats when you've got social media to entertain.

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Post by Silentscope on 17.11.20 16:44

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I have looked at the car rental bookings and analysed the PJ files via simple EXCEL, with a noted PJ page reference. See enclosed jpeg.
As stated earlier, like the hotel booking, the hire of the Renault Scenic does not make logical sense and has a mendacious aspect of falsification, as outlined below, when consideration is made of computerized systems.
 
General
The Renault Grand Scenic 1.5 Dci 7L/X1, registration 59-DA-27 was rented out from new by Budget Portugal from 10th March 2007 with 11km on the clock. It started life at AS Faro Airport, then moved to location AS Praia da Rocha, then finally AS Lagos. It was returned to Budget on 23rd September 2007 after 213 hire days, showing 11329km on the odometer (aka the clock) 
 
A unique contract ID is issued sequentially, with a 3 part Budget branded contract rental form printed in 3 parts; white original, yellow duplicado and pink triplicado, which are then scanned and recorded in the PJ files.
The renter naming format is; surname then christian name. They also record the driving licence. A 2nd driver is also added, when required.
The renter address is recorded, but is usually redacted, with the UK recorded in the European format (not in Ingalterra, Portuguese)
Various customer names, Budget car reservation class bookings and customer booking codes (assumed to be the rate card) are used on the mainframe booking system, as is the norm for car rentals.
Finally, A car is normally handed over and back with a full tank of fuel, with the time of handover and handback recorded in hours/minutes format (often using  a handheld ODB code reader)
 
My Not OK observations from the simple PJ file analysis are as follows:
 
1.    NOK1 – Ref PJ P.2962. The car had a magic mileage jump from 823km to 4099km on 25th March 2007, when KA Walkden of the UK hired the car at 1018 hrs at Faro airport, after its return at 0832 hrs that day with 823km when returned by JG Patterson. We also note the missing Budget yellow duplicado form. Walkden had it for 7 days, driving 846 km, handing it back with 4945 km on the 1st April at 0832hrs, at the airport. NB Walkden, apart form being a golfer has a Leicestershire based inflatable business.....
This mileage jump should not happen.
 
2.    NOK2 – Ref PJ P.2929- On the 2nd April, the car had 4000km erased from its clock, for when RA Lowes of the UK hired it at 1130hrs with 945km on the clock. He had it for 10 days, running 221km.
This mileage deletion should not have happened and the clocking would be illegal.
 
3.    NOK3 – Ref PJ P.2909. On the 23rd May 2007, McCann Gerald of Inglaterra hired it in AS Lagos at 1230hrs with 3114km, with Michael Wright as 2nd driver and 7/8th tank of fuel. He had it for 7 days and managed a nice ‘round’ mileage of 750km, with 3864km recorded.
The hire was then extended for AS Lagos by Zenith rent a car (Budget UK head office) for McCann and Wright on the 27th May with 3864km on the clock. They managed to drive a perfect ‘round’ 2000km in 30 days until 3rd July with 5864km recorded
·         It is noteworthy that his country of origin is now Inglaterra and not UK 
Perfect round mileages are not driveable and thus not believable 
     
4.    NOK4 – Ref PJ P.2912. McCann Gerald re-hires it in AS Lagos (Ocean club) on 3rd July at 1230hrs with 5864km on the clock. There is no return date or check in
A car hire should have a return check in
He managed zero recorded mileage. An oversight?
A car rental contract must show IN and OUT details
 
5.    NOK5 – Ref PJ P.2915. DR Gerald P.  MC Cann of Inglaterra rehires it in AS Lagos on 2nd August with 5865km on the clock and keeps it for 30 days, with a return on 1st September with 5866km – just 1 km magically travelled in a month.
 ·         His name has changed to reverse format. This name reversal cannot happen with mainframe computer coding
·         The Budget branding has disappeared on the hire forms
·         There is no recognition of white original, yellow duplicado and pink triplicado text on the 3 part forms
Is this a falsified record?
 
6.    NOK6 – Ref PJ P.2918 DR Gerald P.  MC Cann of Inglaterra with Michael Wright rehire it in AS Lagos on 1st September with 5866km on the clock. There is no return date or check in. He keeps it for just 22 days, as Renault insist on its return. It’s recorded mileage on the 23rd September is 14443 km. McCann has driven 11329 km in 141 days.
·         The McCann name is changed to reverse format. This name reversal cannot happen with mainframe computer coding
·         The Budget branding has disappeared on the hire forms
·         There is no recognition of white original, yellow duplicado and pink triplicado text on the 3 part forms
·         A car hire should have a return check in
Is this a falsified record?


7.    NOK7 – The return mileage recorded is 11329km in the 213 days, but analysis of the individual rental sheets shows a total of 15047 km. We have a gap of 3718km
Are there falsified car rental mileage records?


Again I propose that OCR scanning may work some of the time on outputs to present a 'nice' picture , but the main computer database cannot be easily compromised
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Readers may wish to critique the methodology and add observations, such as observed landmarks when the car was seen in use on videos

I would “kick off” here if I may.

The best result I could reasonably expect from this is that it could be proved that the Kilometres were altered, and perhaps between which points in time. By who and why is for the PJ to find out.

The Spanish Police have already informed the PJ of areas in Spain the McCanns were observed where they had no good reason to be. Where these points are is not Public knowledge as far as I am aware. Whilst a lot of time and effort has been spent on Mobiles phone pings, deleted Calls and SMSs, the Hire car was only ever checked Forensically. The recent “Secret meeting” in Lisbon was to discuss where a body could likely have been deposited. The challenge in the Press “Find the body and prove we killed her” leads me to believe there is one.
Dr. Amaral also believes that there was Evidence to support this found in the Vehicle.

If enough Kilometres travel can be accounted for and verified, it may reach a point where it would become impossible to complete the remainder.

This would be at least proof that something really does not “add up”. If nothing else it may become a quick source of reference for other researchers wanting to know who was where, and when.
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Post by Silentscope on 18.11.20 20:56


Published 09.08.07
Date and time of filming unknown.
Any help with identifying locations would be appreciated.
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Post by Cammerigal on 18.11.20 22:44

Further to my rental analysis;
The big 'elephant in the room' is the non use of a highly utilised, popular rental car from 12th April to 8th May. A logical data gap. This cover the false abduction narrative period and follows on from the the NOK 1 and 2, ODO mileage jump and subsequent removal of 4000kms. 
Illogical from a car rental business perspective as assets should never be idle.


Also, this is the car with the scent of death, detected by the dogs in the rear wheel well behind the 3rd row of seats in the Renault Scenic on 6th & 7th August 2007. See Inspection report PJ12_volume_XIIa_Page 3229
The mileage logged by the PJ and Grimes was 9329km PJ P.3232 - which is not as per  2 the rental dockets 


And then we have the above McCann driving the Scenic video, tactically posted on youtube, 9th August 2007
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Post by Silentscope on 19.11.20 8:30

Verdi did (quite rightly) add that any Data put in to a Computer or Paper record is entirely reliant on us mere humans to do it.

As the FBI say RIRO “rubbish in - rubbish out”.

It may be that someone just put the wrong mileage on the wrong paperwork. No “clocking” required. The PJ seem satisfied that the vehicle was not a point of interest until the McCanns picked it up.

If anyone can find a record of the Vehicle underway between 12.04 - 08.5.07 this would be interesting!

I have set up my own Excel table and will share any progress on tracking these irregularities in due course.
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Post by Silentscope on 19.11.20 8:58



McCanns leaving the Villa for the return Flight to the U.K. 
EasyJet was due for takeoff 09:30 on Sunday from Faro.
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Post by Silentscope on 21.11.20 16:57

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The examination of the interior of the vehicle was initiated, register was also taken of the kilometres clocked at 9329 km.
12_VOLUME_XIIa_Page_3232

So,

03.07.07 5865 Kms Budget paperwork
06.08.07 9329 Kms Dogs inspection PORTIMAO
09.08.07 or before, on video Driving over a Bridge and at a Petrol Station.
01.09.07 5866 Kms Budget paperwork

DEFINITELY another NOK - Not okay at all...

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Post by Silentscope on 21.11.20 21:25

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Trip to Huelva
 
The Huelva trip was on the 3 Aug 07. The timeline, according to the British newspaper, The Sun, is as follows:
 
09:00 Leave Praia da Luz
Estimated distance to HUELVA is 110 Kms.
12:15 Arrive Huelva (expected at 11:00am)
13:00 Distribute leaflets and posters at train station
13:30 Distribute leaflets and posters at cathedral
14:00 Distribute leaflets and posters at bus station
14:20 Leave to return to Praia da Luz

Gerry's blog: It is exactly 3 months since Madeleine was abducted. Kate and I had an early start as we drove to Huelva, 50Km over the border from Portugal in Southern Spain. We were meant to go yesterday but had to cancel because I was ill.
 
Unfortunately it was a public holiday in Huelva and the large shopping centre we planned to visit was closed. We did distribute posters in several garages, taxi ranks and the bus and train stations and gave out some Madeleine wristbands. This was definitely a worthwhile exercise, as many people did not seemingly recognise Madeleine but we did get a very warm response from the Spanish people we met. We would encourage everyone to continue taking posters on holiday but please ask permission before putting them up in public places.
 
When we arrived back in Praia da Luz we did a couple of media interviews to building up to August 11th, which will mark 100 days if Madeleine is still missing. There will be a lot of media activity next week reviewing Madeleine's abduction, the investigation and of course the campaign to help find her. It is an opportunity to highlight that we have not given up hope and are still optimistic of being reunited with Madeleine.
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Post by Silentscope on 23.11.20 10:02

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Did someone here write 93,292.0 Kms or mean 9,329.2 Kms?
Difficult to make out on the Photograph even using image enhancement.
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Post by Silentscope on 23.11.20 10:39

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What would have been to see, with NO decimal point on the main Kms.
As per NOK 1 and 2 even if someone had mistaken the trip clock for the Kilometres it would still not “add up?”
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Post by Cammerigal on 23.11.20 11:48

Silentscope Even the PJ demonstrate transcription errors, but the core system data holds the record history and the illogical fingerprints  of humanoids wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Did someone here write 93,292.0 Kms or mean 9,329.2 Kms?
Difficult to make out on the Photograph even using image enhancement.
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Post by Silentscope on 23.11.20 12:52

I am going to trust Martin Grimes’ eyes and his Dogs noses.
9,329 

In no car could anyone drive more Kilometres on the trip counter than was on the Odometer. NOK 1 and 2 are still undetermined.

The only other four digit display that could possibly have been a point of confusion is the Radio code. (In the right side of the display)
This would remain the same however, unless the Radio was changed.

Still does not “figure” does it?
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Post by Silentscope on 24.11.20 21:23

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Gerry dropping Kate off before her Questioning by the PJ in PORTIMAO.
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Post by sharonl on 24.11.20 22:56

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Gerry dropping Kate off before her Questioning by the PJ in PORTIMAO.
07.08.07 11:00

thinking  Is that the same Kate who "couldn't make love to Gerry"?  big grin

What happened to the Kate who was so keen on doing the laundry that she washed a small stain out of a pyjama top whilst on holiday and the curtains in the apartment?  Looking at the mess on this pair, Gerry in particular, I would say that she got very bored with that particular past time.  Or maybe she's just taken an interest in another form of laundering.

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Post by Verdi on 25.11.20 0:34

Kate McCann and Gerry McCann in Pria Da Luz, Portugal. 06/09/2007

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Post by Silentscope on 25.11.20 9:03



Story No.: 535477
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Duration:00:02:11:04
Source: AP TELEVISION 
Dateline: Portimao - 6 September 2007
Date: 06/09/2007 19:45 PM
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PDL, FARO, HUELVA, PORTIMAO, VILA DO BISPO, BUDENS, PDL just for comparison purposes only, 11,329 Kms is past Moscow and back with Kms to spare!

Still able to join some dots so far. Just need more information.
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Post by Silentscope on 25.11.20 10:58

And back again (in a different vehicle) the next day 07 Sep 07. No Hire car to be seen.



Report by Sky News Martin Brunt.
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Post by Silentscope on 27.11.20 12:11



Sky News report published 19.08.2012
Date and time of filming unknown.
Location unconfirmed.
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Post by kaz on 27.11.20 18:57

Apropos nothing in particular I was vacuuming my bedroom today and as I am inclined to do,  my mind wandered here , there and everywhere.  The Madeleine McCann case is never far from my thoughts and I realised with some dismay that this case is never now likely to be ‘solved.’ Whoever the criminals in this case are, they are more than likely now never to be apprehended and found guilty.

It’s sad.

In my heart of hearts I can’t believe the paedophile hypotheses.  Maybe there is an element of cognitive dissonance  in that disbelief   but I Just can’t bring myself to entertain the awful stories one sees and hears on the internet. Obviously there is an element of child abuse out there but surely not to the extent we are being led to believe? Surely it’s an anomaly not a norm?

Whilst I was vacuuming away I remembered when my grandchildren were small and used to come and stay with me. The fun we had! I could be a child again and there was no one to say, ‘’ Grow up! ‘’

After they’d returned to their parents I’d clear up the mess  . Out would come the HENRY and it always used to amaze me at the amount of HAIR my beautiful grandchildren shed . I was at the time very dark haired and they were blondes so theirs was instantly recognisable.

This led me on to thinking about the McCanns.  The lack of physical evidence of Madeleine iin the apartment  is extraordinary.  Everybody who has been on a package holiday knows that  the daily cleaners  will inevitably forget to sweep under the bed  or at the most give a cursory swipe of the broom.   It’s no big deal.

Madeleine appeared to enjoy the bobbles and bows  and the little lady routine so the hair brushing I would imagine would be  a daily occurrence.

The lack of hair strands  in the apartment point to Madeleine not having spent much time there and a case can be built on that. For me it points to someone deliberately cleaning the apartment so that there was no visible evidence  remaining  . Why would that be? Surely it has to be because hair strands tell a very comprehensive story of nutrition and drug intake.  The  possible incriminating evidence that would point the finger at the real culprits?

 All speculation on my part of course.

It just saddens me that I don’t think we’ll ever know the truth now. We all have our suspicions and theories but as time passes a sense of hopelessness sets in. Will we ever know?  
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Post by Silentscope on 27.11.20 19:38

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How does anyone drive EXACTLY 750 Kms?
Then drive EXACTLY 2000 Kms?
Between 03.07 and 01.09 drive 1 Km? 
Then go from 9329 Kms BACKWARDS TO 5866Kms?

Not speculating of course... thinking
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Post by Silentscope on 28.11.20 13:35

8 Sep 07 - Hire car still on the driveway at the rented Villa.



Story No.: 535741
Restrictions:
Duration:00:02:12:20
Source: AP TELEVISION 
Dateline: Portimao/Praia da Luz - 8 September 2007
Date: 08/09/2007 19:02 PM
Published 21 July 2015
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Post by Silentscope on 30.11.20 10:55

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In answer to the question “how does anybody drive exactly a round number of Kilometres “ I have worked out the following analysis.

Points to Note:

The halfway point of the formulation resulted in Zero Kms.

01.09.07 Kms 5866 Hire papers definitely wrong as the Dogs inspection shows. The PJ and Martin Grimes recorded 9329 Kms.

The Arguidos were not present at the Dogs inspection (but were shown the Video) as far as I am aware they did not know that the Kilometres had been recorded until the PJ FILES were published.

The Kilometres marked in Yellow are those required to maintain the Formula at the rate BEFORE the Dogs inspection.

Column E - 750, 2000, 2750, 3500, 4750 are the accumulated Kilometres before the Dogs inspection when the true Kilometres were noted by the PJ.
All nice “round” numbers. Coincidences?

AFTER the Dogs inspection they would have had to drive an extra 2563 Kms in order to get back on track to meet the 11,329 Km total.

I invite any sensible comments please.
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Post by Verdi on 01.12.20 15:51

I've had a moment to look at this car rental business in more detail.

If you use the chart produced by Jeanne D'Arc at the foot of the following page as a guide, all becomes quite clear.

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I can't vouch for the accuracy of the chart but it will make little or no difference.

27th May 2007 - 3,114 km. Booked in and booked out.

03th June 2007 - 3,864 km. Booked in and booked out.

03rd July 2007 - 5,864 km. Booked in and booked out.
02nd August 2007 - 5,865 km. Booked in, no entry for booking out.
01st September 2007 - 5,866 km. Booked in and booked out.

23rd September 2007 - 14,443 km. Returned to rental company.

As an aside, the McCanns left Portugal on Sunday 9th September 2007. The Renault Scenic was returned to the company on 23rd September 2007. There is no way of knowing how many km were clocked-up during that period - nor indeed by whom..

The most likely explanation would be, the McCanns hired the car for a three month period at the beginning of July 2007. The kilometerage shown on the hire documentation is an estimate based on the first full months rental, hence only one km increase per rental period from 3rd July/1st September 2007 as shown on the filed documentation. You willalso note the time in and out is the same for every rental period, another indication thevehicle wasn't physically returned at the beginning of every month, only automatically re-booked.

They could easily have driven more than the 2,000 km per month. 2,000 km in one month is not excessive.

2,000 km per month = 500 km per week = 70 km per day - approximately. The distance between Luz and Faro (the airport) is approx 21 km, a round trip of 42 km. That's over half of any one days travel distance.

Not excessive.

It's not possible to determine how many km were covered at any specific time between the initial hire on 27th May and return on 23rd September 2007



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Post by Silentscope on 01.12.20 17:24

Thanks Verdi, the Chart by Jd’Arc is not in question, as I used the same points to fill in the gaps by calculating backwards. 

The only time that the Kilometres were recorded properly between the initial hire and return was at the PJ and Martin Grimes inspection on 6/7.08.07. at 9329 Kms.

In return,

Is this usual for Budget to calculate in this manner or not? 
If not, who did the back calculations I wonder? (I can believe Budget would not want to upset their now most famous Customers and risk any bad publicity.) But as you say, they were already gone!

They certainly have not helped the PJ’s investigation by doing it in this manner. If the Vehicle had been checked in and out physically and properly it might have revealed more. But at least we now know that the Kilometres are fiction, and how they were arrived at.

The 1 Km jump in figures is explained in the Formulation because the halfway distance of 11329 is 7221.5 - so they had to either write it as such (which would have explained a lot) or add a whole number.
5865 and 5866 = 1 Km or 2 x 0.5 Kms.

Either way, the time of Hiring to the point in time where the Vehicle  was picked up at the Villa to be inspected by the Dogs who detected what they did, are the only known points in time that matter really.

What happened after that was that they did not confiscate the Vehicle and seal it as Evidence. That really was “bungled” I am sad to say.

Still, one less mystery now how these figures were arrived at.

Maths doesn’t lie either!
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