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Post by Verdi on 14.11.18 14:33

I was looking for something on and old defunct thread when I cam across this little gem..
 
@tigger wrote:I found a comment several years ago of a man who said he'd phoned Metodo3 and asked them why on earth they were concentrating on Morocco.
He quoted M3 as saying: 'Don't ask me - it's the parents' strategy!'


@PeterMac wrote:I'll save you the trouble

I have redacted the name.   I did speak to him in person and have no doubt that this was correct and accurate. 

He is a native Spanish speaker, so we are not dealing with loss in translation, but with highly nuanced understanding.

I believe he sent it to Grange.


    *********** Says: :

    February 8th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    I can’t believe that nobody seems to have noticed Gerry’s blundering answer when, shortly after Madeleine’s ‘disappearance’, a reporter asked him. This is on record.

    Q: ‘What is the purpose of the fund?’

    R: It is to continue looking for Madeleine after the official search ends.

    He was sure that none of the efforts of the Portuguese Authorities, Polícia Judiciária, Polícia de Segurança Pública, Polícia Marítima, etc. did stand a cat in hell chance of finding the unfortunate child.

    The McCanns are the only people that NEVER looked for Madeleine/
    . 4

    *********** Says:

    February 8th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    I have said that the McCanns NEVER looked for Madeleine because, while their friends were knocking on doors waking up the dead that evening asking everybody to look for the little girl that ‘had been abducted’, it was later established that her parents never moved from their apartment but were busy deleting compromising calls from their mobiles. (This is on record too).

    When it was generally felt that the McCanns were not doing enough to find Madeleine and no Portuguese detective agency would touch them, they resorted to a well-known Barcelona Agency to which they paid a substantial sum (€50,000 from memory. It was not their money, was it?). The Agency immediately made a big song and dance of informing the world that they knew Madeleine was being held in Morocco and they were going to get her. I was furious.

    It took me a while but in the end I managed to speak to the Managing Director in clear Spanish. I asked how was it that a Detective Agency of their standing could make such a ridiculous assertion making it known ‘they knew Madeleine was held in Morocco and they were going to get her’. He tried to wriggle out of it but in the end he said ‘DON’T ASK ME. THAT’S THE PARENTS STRATEGY’.

    I am in no doubt that the truth will be known and Justice will be done IN THE END. It is doubly unfortunate that the ‘incident’ took place at the start of the Algarve tourist season so crucial for the Portuguese economy. Otherwise the Judiciária would have cut out all the pussyfooting from the outset.
Now tell me Operation Grange was or is or will ever be a legitimate review/investigation into the mysterious disappearnce of Madeleine McCann - if you dare.

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Post by Verdi on 14.11.18 15:06

Lest they forget..

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So ....

The focus of the review will be of the material held by three main stakeholders (and in the following order of primacy);

The Portuguese Law Enforcement Agencies
UK Law Enforcement agencies
Other private investigative/staff and organisations

The investigative review is intended to collate, record and analyse what has gone before.

.... that would include Metodo3 and Oakley International and Alphaig private dicks - wouldn't it?  think

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Post by Jill Havern on 14.11.18 15:59

Maddie investigation receives new cash injection

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The Home Office has announced further funding of €150,000 for the Metropolitan Police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from the Algarve almost 11 years ago.

Operation Grange has already spent over €13 million .

Pundits suggest “Something is clearly going on. Kids are being murdered on the streets of London, people are howling about the loss of 3,000 police officers, yet this can happen”.

Bizarrely, this funding has taken its time to be announced.

The last tranche of finance officially ran out over a month ago (click here).

At the time, long-term Portuguese critics of the British investigation reiterated their opinions that it has always been “politically directed” - an opinion shared by former Metropolitan police detective chief inspector Colin Sutton, and former British diplomat Craig Murray (click here).

This latest chunk of funding should take ‘Grange’ to the end of March 2019.

The Met’s inquiry has been drastically scaled down since its original workforce of 28 detectives plus seven others and a Detective Chief Inspector from Homicide & Serious Crime Command.

Sources within the Metropolitan Police have been calling for ‘Grange’ to be shutdown since 2015 (click here), on the basis that the money would be better spent on funding police work within the UK.

In the absence of breakthroughs over the years, an anonymous group of British businessmen is reported to be offering a €600,000 reward for any information leading to the resolution in this case.

The reward was posted 'some time last year', a source has told the Resident, describing it as "unique".

"Until now, despite fantastic large financial inducements, anyone with information has to have give personal details, which of course anyone who knows something, would probably not want to do", the source explained.

Thus this reward can be accessed anonymously, depending on the value of the information offered.
http://www.anonymousreward.co.uk/claim-your-reward/

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Post by ferrotty on 14.11.18 16:11

Just keep kicking the can further down the street until it's someone else problem.
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Post by NickE on 14.11.18 17:15

I didn't know this.
Snipped from today's article in "Portugalresident"

"In the absence of breakthroughs over the years, an anonymous group of British businessmen is reported to be offering a €600,000 reward for any information leading to the resolution in this case.
The reward was posted 'some time last year', a source has told the Resident, describing it as "unique".
"Until now, despite fantastic large financial inducements, anyone with information has to have give personal details, which of course anyone who knows something, would probably not want to do", the source explained. Thus this reward can be accessed anonymously, depending on the value of the information offered."

€600.000, that would be circa £520.000.


"This reward can be accessed anonymously".

It sounds like these businessmen believes that this is case is not only about a missing girl.

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Post by Verdi on 14.11.18 20:59

First I've heard of it, sounds to me like too much anonymity - proceed with caution.

Could be a phishing exercise.

If you've got something solid to offer, put yer money where yer mouth is - otherwise shove off  yes !

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Post by Doug D on 15.11.18 16:23

First anyone has heard of it as far as I can see, but these ‘anonymous benefactors’ have allegedly put up the following rewards for MM, Ben Needham & Corrie McKeague:
 
MM €600k
 
BN €40k
 
CM €40k
 
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Post by sar on 15.11.18 16:42

every (dead) one has their price eh?
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Post by Jill Havern on 16.11.18 14:35

After spending £12million on the fruitless search for Maddie isn’t it time we prioritised the children who are dying here and now today – and who don’t happen to be cute and blonde?


By Janet Street-Porter

Madeleine McCann’s face remains one of the most poignant images of the past decade. Those trusting blue-green eyes and sweet smile are a poignant reminder that a perfect family holiday can suddenly end in tragedy.
Eleven years on, the public, the police and her distraught parents still haven’t a clue what happened to this sweet three year old on May 3rd 2007, when she vanished from her bedroom in a holiday flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal while her parents were dining with friends a few yards away.
Since then, the search for Madeleine has cost over £11.8million - and this week, the British government announced they are contributing another £150,000 to allow Scotland Yard to continue their investigation until next March.
This is hardly a large sum of money but it begs the question - why should this case continue to attract funding at all, when there is clearly little chance of success? Why does the search for Madeleine attract more resources than investigating the thousands of other children and teenagers who have gone missing in the UK in the last decade?
The mother of Charlene Downes, who vanished aged 14 in Blackpool in 2003, says 'all missing children need a voice' and reckons her daughter has been ignored because she came from a working class background.

To be brutally honest - at a time when young men are being felled with knives in all our major cities - why are the police not diverting all their resources into tracking down the gang leaders and the drug barons who are ensnaring schoolchildren into acting as couriers?
We need every penny available to arrest the evil people who are terrifying youngsters to such an extent that they are carrying knives for protection. Hundreds of poor inner city boys are being dragged into a wave of violent crime, many of whom come from single parent families where mum has to work bloody hard at more than one job to keep food on the table. These young men need support at school, counselling, and huge investment in their future.

They need places to go and be safe after school, mentors and more police presence on their streets. They are not cute, blonde photogenic kids - but they are our future and deserve just as much help and funding as Maddie.
Madeleine McCann’s case attracted huge public sympathy and media attention from the outset. Her parents, Kate and Gerry, are highly articulate, devout Catholics, trained medics - she’s a GP and he’s a cardiologist. They brought in PR people, and set up Madeleine’s Fund, attracting huge donations from Sir Philip Green, J K Rowling, Simon Cowell and thousands of members of the public- over £1.8 million was donated in the first year alone.

The McCanns flew to meet the Pope, and story went around the world- the crime was unspeakable. To lose a child without any warning, a gorgeous, pretty, smiling little girl who had never harmed anyone. Who took Madeleine, and why?
The Portuguese police did not handle the case well, and soon declared that the McCanns and Robert Murat, a local man were regarded as suspects. They alleged that Madeleine could have died as the result of an accident in the flat and her body taken elsewhere.
There were stories of alleged sightings of two different men carrying a child. Holidaymakers claimed they were never questioned about mysterious men seen in the vicinity if the holiday complex in the days before Madeleine’s disappearance. Rumours spread like wildfire.
Prince Charles was sent an email naming a former employee of the Ocean Club complex, where Madeleine had played in the swimming pool. The case was eventually closed by the Portuguese police in 2008.
Since then, the McCanns have fought and succeeded in getting successive British governments to fund investigations into their daughter’s disappearance. In 2009, Home Secretary Alan Johnson authorized an inquiry, which produced the Gamble Report in 2010. The search had involved many different agencies from The Home Office, the Foreign Office, the Leicester Police, the Metropolitan police to the Serious Crime Agency.
To streamline resources, Operation Grange was set up involving 29 detectives and 8 staff. By 2013, they had investigated 8,000 potential leads, and taken over 1,300 statements. In October 2015, the team was scaled back to 4. 
In April 2016, the Home Office gave another £95,000 to fund further work, and then another £85,000 in 2017. This week, another £150,000 went to the increasingly futile task of looking for Maddie.

The McCanns and Robert Murat have fought libel actions and won considerable damages from media outlets who made allegations which could be seen as damaging to their reputations. They have regularly engaged expensive lawyers, private detectives and criminal investigators, to no avail. Gerry McCann told Vanity Fair magazine back in 2008 that he had decided to ‘market’ Madeleine to keep her in the public eye. He has undoubtedly been highly successful in that respect, but his daughter remains missing.
There were 1141 child abductions in England and Wales in 2016, the highest for 15 years. Around 380 people go missing every day in the UK, of which two thirds are under 18.
I think of all the other gorgeous children who went for a bike ride or a trip to the sweet shop and have never been seen again. David Spence and Patrick Warren, who disappeared in 1996, aged 13 and 11. Ben Needham, who disappeared on holiday on the Greek Island of Kos, aged 21 months. April Fabb, who disappeared in Norfolk riding her bike, aged 13. Genette Tate, 13, vanished delivering newspapers, in Devon in 1978.
In all these cases, a child’s body has never been found. The parents, like the McCanns, do not have closure.
Sometimes, police and politicians have to make tough, pragmatic decisions using their brains, not their emotions - that’s why we elect them. The McCanns have consistently used emotional blackmail to ensure the government continues to fund a hopeless investigation at the expense of others. The next generation of young people need all their attention now.

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Post by Verdi on 16.11.18 14:52

Sorry Janet Street Porter, excellent sentiments in general but you are painfully misguided as to case detail.  It would appear for the most part, your information has been taken from media reports over the years - OK in itself but when opining on such a sensitive subject as a missing three year old child, a feature in a national tabloid,  it's wise to be sure of your facts!  When you know more about the detail, you come to realise that this continued funding of Operation Grange is criminal.  The government and UK police will of course plead ignorance if they are ever exposed for this monumental travesty of justice - no doubt it will all be down to Portuguese incompetence and problems with communication between the tweo countries.

Your penultimate sentence is a perfect illustration of my point .... "The McCanns have consistently used emotional blackmail to ensure the government continues to fund a hopeless investigation at the expense of others."

That is fundamentally incorrect, although I can't deny they've leaned heavily on emotional blackmail [sic] to fool the public.

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Post by willowthewisp on 16.11.18 15:09

Yet another opportunity to have Mr and Mrs McCann Madeleine pictures and how hard Operation Grange are Not trying to find the Abductor/s!

You know the non suspects/person's of interest ,who may have been the last person's to have seen an "Alive Madeleine" with her siblings in apartment 5a Ocean club Apartment on 3 May 2007 at approx 18.00hrs,for 30 Seconds,err minutes?

PS,Operation Grange,He was interviewed by DC 1485 Messiah,from Leicestershire Police,its in the files from Portugal,PJ!

PPS,This person liked to Bathe other Adults,children at Bath time and statements taken as to depositions he had spoken about children's actions!
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Post by sar on 16.11.18 15:14

@Verdi wrote:Sorry Janet Street Porter, excellent sentiments in general but you are painfully misguided as to case detail.  It would appear for the most part, your information has been taken from media reports over the years - OK in itself but when opining on such a sensitive subject as a missing three year old child, a feature in a national tabloid,  it's wise to be sure of your facts!  When you know more about the detail, you come to realise that this continued funding of Operation Grange is criminal.  The government and UK police will of course plead ignorance if they are ever exposed for this monumental travesty of justice - no doubt it will all be down to Portuguese incompetence and problems with communication between the tweo countries.

Your penultimate sentence is a perfect illustration of my point .... "The McCanns have consistently used emotional blackmail to ensure the government continues to fund a hopeless investigation at the expense of others."

That is fundamentally incorrect, although I can't deny they've leaned heavily on emotional blackmail [sic] to fool the public.
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Post by sar on 16.11.18 15:17

Always respected JSP as a maverick TV producer.  I think she should stay out of this, unless she's prepared to join here learn more, then write from an accurately informed position.
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Post by willowthewisp on 16.11.18 15:19

May be Janet street Porter is the New,Lorraine?
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Post by sar on 16.11.18 16:35

+1 willow!  he he!
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Post by Kanga on 17.11.18 3:49

@Jill Havern wrote:

By Janet Street-Porter

.... while her parents were dining with friends a few yards away.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6394051/JANET-STREET-PORTER-focus-children-dying-today-not-Maddie.html

This is beyond sloppy journalism. Janet Street-Porter bemoans the continued funding while still presenting the McCanns in the most sympathetic light.. If JSP doesn't know the most basic facts of the case you'd think the Editor would. I'm disgusted with the continuation of Operation Grange and the distortions of the truth spread by MSM.
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Post by Robvalue on 17.11.18 14:05

The idea that this is still a hunt for a living person is beyond ridiculous. I listened to Pat Brown talk about what happens when children are abducted by pedophiles (as is claimed), and she says they are almost always dead within a day. This would more truthfully be marketed as an investigation into what happened to her.

Of course, we all know she died on or before the day of the "abduction" anyway. The evidence is overwhelming. Are they going to use these last funds to actually investigate the McCanns? That would be amazing, but I expect the chances of that are slim to none. I’m really glad to see action has been taken on this forum to demand some sort of transparency for this disproportionate amount of money spent on a non-investigation. Bravo you guys.

They wouldn’t even need to do any investigating. Any of us could probably run the prosecution ourselves just based on what's freely available. The PJ solved this case right from the get-go. 

The thing that also bothers me is how the McCanns aren’t being prosecuted for neglect. Their whole defence is that they left three young children in an unlocked apartment, and then one of them got abducted. It appears beyond reasonable doubt the twins were also drugged up to the eyeballs and it’s lucky they didn’t die in some fashion as well. I expect any impartial jury in possession of the facts would send them down for three counts here, even if the abduction story was believed.


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Post by Robvalue on 18.11.18 14:51

Sorry, I didn’t realise. I shall be more careful.
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Post by willowthewisp on 18.11.18 16:14

Hi Jill Havern,can you move this article to the Operation Grange Bollocks or Not Bollocks,as this article from the Scum should be posted their,as it is total Bollocks to insinuate an abduction Kidnapper with No evidence of the perpetrator?

Surely Operation Grange cannot have an "Invisible Abductor,Kidnapper" can you,Aliens,No finger prints after the clean up squad,disembarked?
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Post by Verdi on 18.11.18 20:55

Fresh hope for Kate and Gerry McCann as police pursue two leads

Dogs have leads - two dogs have two leads....

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Post by Jill Havern on 19.11.18 9:00

Madeleine McCann: New hope as police investigate two 'specific and active' new leads


Investigators from Scotland Yard have revealed they are looking into "two specific and active" lines of inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The missing girl's parents Kate and Gerry McCann are "greatly encouraged" that police could be getting closer to finding their daughter, after a sit-down meeting with investigators last week, reports The Express.

   Former top cop's surprising new Madeleine McCann theory
   What would Madeleine McCann look like now?
   Private detective in Madeleine McCann case found dead

A source told the paper officers were "confident and hopeful they could get a result."

The specifics of the leads have not been made public over fears the suspects will go into hiding.

Madeleine McCann, then three, disappeared from her parent's hotel room in Portugal in May 2007.

The investigation into her disappearance, dubbed 'Operation Grange' has cost over £11 million (NZ$20,560,000) so far.

The Home Office has confirmed additional funding for the investigation to pursue the new leads. The latest round of funding is expected to be around £150,000 (NZ$280,000), covering Operation Grange until March next year.

Newshub.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/11/madeline-mccann-new-hope-as-police-investigate-two-specific-and-active-new-leads.html


Fresh hope in Madeleine McCann search as police pursue two vital new leads  - Mirror.co.uk
Madeleine McCann parents meeting with Scotland Yard detectives to discuss TWO 'specific and ...  - The Sun
Hunt for Madeleine McCann takes fresh twist as police chase two new leads  - TVNZ
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Since when have Operation Grange been worried about the suspects going in to hiding before? How many times have they released info about potential suspects before?

Eggman
Tannerman
Pimpleman
Cooperman
Smithman
Victoria Beckham lookalike woman
Dead tractor man
Stairwell man
Raymond Hewitt
Purple woman

etc?

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14619-suspect-sighting-of-the-day-a-list-of-known-suspects-in-the-madeleine-mccann-case

And Kate and Gerry McCann can hardly go in to hiding can they? The whole bloody world knows who they are. winkwink
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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 19.11.18 11:13

Difficult to go into hiding when your sat right in front of the chief investigator, unless of course you have Harry Potter's cloak of invisibility big grin
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Post by Doug D on 19.11.18 11:32

‘Our Trace’ back to exclusivity in The Express this morning with her Mail story from yesterday.

Not that bloody ‘woman in purple’ again though!

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