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New from PeterMac! Chapter 30: Forget Facts, Focus on the Fallacies

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Re: New from PeterMac! Chapter 30: Forget Facts, Focus on the Fallacies

Post by Jill Havern on 12.10.18 21:33

From Peter:

Fallacies

See how it works in practice.

The Deputy Commissioner Sir Craig Mackey is directly accused of 'Cowardice in the Face of the Enemy' by locking himself in his car at Westminster during the attack.
The Commissioner, Cressida Dick; the Head of Terrorism command, Assistant commissioner Niel Basu, and the Coroner
all use words to the effect . . .
"even if he had got out of the car, it is clear from the CCTV evidence he would not have reached Pc Palmer before Masood inflicted his fatal wounds."
which is beside the point.
Very neat. It diverts attention from the original argument which is whether he should have got out to try to help a colleague and member of the public or locked himself in, and whether his action amounts to cowardice or not.

Whether he could have saved anyones life can only be ascertained at post mortem, and after a full Coroner's inquest.

Ignoratio elenchi, and possibly a Straw Man, if anyone is interested !

I quote
"Ignoratio elenchi makes its brief, but usually successful, appearance wherever someone accused of doing something he did do is quite prepared to deny something else."
Here he is accused of cowardice, but people are denying on his behalf that he could have helped anyway.

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Post by polyenne on 13.10.18 11:33

Mr Mackey is not a policeman, was not wearing any protective equipment and had no truncheon/Taser/gun. What was he expected to do ?
Some folk need to engage brain before gobbing off

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Post by Verdi on 13.10.18 12:36

And some people need to see the commentary for it's true worth before 'gobbing-off'.

An illustration of 'fallacies'.

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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 13.10.18 12:37

@polyenne wrote:Mr Mackey is not a policeman, was not wearing any protective equipment and had no truncheon/Taser/gun. What was he expected to do ?
Some folk need to engage brain before gobbing off
How can the Deputy Commissioner not be a policeman?
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Post by polyenne on 13.10.18 12:43

@  Verdi
Do you believe Mackey should have got out of the car and approached the assailant ?

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Post by polyenne on 13.10.18 13:12

It is clear that key members of the team have megalomania and, whilst happy to question posters, refuse to be questioned themselves. Poor show

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Post by Jill Havern on 13.10.18 14:35

@polyenne wrote:Mr Mackey is not a policeman, was not wearing any protective equipment and had no truncheon/Taser/gun. What was he expected to do ?
Some folk need to engage brain before gobbing off

How bizarre. "Not a policeman".
He is just about to retire after 34 YEARS as a policeman

Mackey joined Wiltshire Constabulary in 1984. In 2001, he transferred to Gloucestershire Constabulary to become its Assistant Chief Constable - he later went on to be its Deputy Chief Constable.
In September 2007, Mackey joined Cumbria Constabulary as its Chief Constable, a post he remained in until his appointment as the Metropolitan Police Deputy Commissioner in 2012. Mackey served as the Acting Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police between 22 February and 10 April 2017.
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