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Martin Smith's evidence was considered by the PJ to be 'highly contradictory...this type of witness does not deserve credibility" 24 Horas, 7.7.2008

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Re: Martin Smith's evidence was considered by the PJ to be 'highly contradictory...this type of witness does not deserve credibility" 24 Horas, 7.7.2008

Post by Doug D on 17.09.18 10:06

Can anyone pinpoint exactly which apartments Berry & Balu were in. They were allocated 603 & 606, which are in the block on the other side of the road to 5a.
 
The reservation list only shows numbers up to 610.
 
From the front (Agostinho Da Silva side) there are two staircases with, I think, 2 doors visible at each, so 12 apartments, but from the side and car park car, it looks like there could be more than that,  if there are two apartments, in each position, one front, one back. There could well be a corridor/lobby as well.
 
Balu requested and has been allocated a ground floor, but not Waterside:
 
Balu 603 (Booking is in name of wife N. Cox)                       
 
‘Client would like to stay in Waterside Apartments on ground floor’
 
Berry 606 also requested ground floor apartment, but was told it couldn’t be guaranteed, so probably all fully booked already and therefore appears to have a first floor, but it is not clear.
 
Either way, it would be nice to pinpoint Berry’s balcony in order to clarify exactly what he could have seen, as unless he did have an end apartment, the view must have been pretty much obscured.



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Re: Martin Smith's evidence was considered by the PJ to be 'highly contradictory...this type of witness does not deserve credibility" 24 Horas, 7.7.2008

Post by Phoebe on 17.09.18 16:42

@ willowthewisp. Forgive my delay in responding. Yes, it seems that there isn't really anyone who can verify the Tapas 9's (including Gerry's) whereabouts during that fateful Tapas meal, other then the Tapas 9 themselves. Jeremy Wilkins does confirm speaking to Gerry but there is a half hour window during which he estimates this to meeting to have occurred and he cannot be more specific. Balu and Berry saw Gerry at some stage after the alarm had been raised but no time is given for this encounter in the available files.

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Re: Martin Smith's evidence was considered by the PJ to be 'highly contradictory...this type of witness does not deserve credibility" 24 Horas, 7.7.2008

Post by sharonl on 17.09.18 20:59

Extract from the PJ files - final report

https://themaddiecasefiles.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15&p=325&hilit=berry#p325

Further on this issue, the testimony of MARTIN SMITH was considered, pages 1606 and following, reporting the sighting of an individual carrying a child, in one of the streets that lead to the beach. It was said that the child could be MADELEINE McCANN, although it was never peremptorily stated. Some time later, the witness alleged that, by its stance, the individual who carried the child could be GERALD McCANN, which was concluded when he saw him descending the stairs from an airplane, pages 2871, 3991 and following and 4135 and following. It was established that at the time that was being mentioned, GERALD McCANN was sitting at the table, in the Tapas Restaurant.

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Post by Sundance on 17.09.18 21:07

Funny how some here are happy to rely on the decidedly dubious accounts from the Tapas 9 when it fits their personal belief.
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Re: Martin Smith's evidence was considered by the PJ to be 'highly contradictory...this type of witness does not deserve credibility" 24 Horas, 7.7.2008

Post by Verdi on 17.09.18 21:45

@sharonl wrote:Extract from the PJ files - final report

https://themaddiecasefiles.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15&p=325&hilit=berry#p325

Further on this issue, the testimony of MARTIN SMITH was considered, pages 1606 and following, reporting the sighting of an individual carrying a child, in one of the streets that lead to the beach. It was said that the child could be MADELEINE McCANN, although it was never peremptorily stated. Some time later, the witness alleged that, by its stance, the individual who carried the child could be GERALD McCANN, which was concluded when he saw him descending the stairs from an airplane, pages 2871, 3991 and following and 4135 and following. It was established that at the time that was being mentioned, GERALD McCANN was sitting at the table, in the Tapas Restaurant.

Add to that the PJ case files Legal Summary..

A situation was investigated relating to two individuals, Neil B. and Rajinder B., especially as regards the former, whose information was crossed with Tasmin Silence’s witness account, the photofit showing that this was not the same individual. In spite of the inquiries made, including by means of the Letter of Request, nothing was found to link him to the disappearance of the British girl.

Martin Smith was questioned, who said that at the beginning of the Travessa da Escola Primária he saw an individual carrying a child, walking in the opposite direction, at a normal pace, when he passed this individual it must have been about 22.00, being totally unaware that a child had disappeared. Later he states that when he saw Gerald McCann on the news, leaving by plane, he appeared to him to be the individual whom he had seen on the night of 3rd May in Praia da Luz.

This witness was heard again by the Drogheda Irish police on 23-01-08, having been shown a video clip of Gerald McCann’s departure by plane carrying one of the twins. This witness maintains his belief that judging by the posture, there seemed to be a probability of 60-80% that the person seen by him at about 21.55 at the previously mentioned place, was Madeleine’s father. At this time, Gerald’s presence at the restaurant was confirmed by his friends and has not been denied by restaurant employees.

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Re: Martin Smith's evidence was considered by the PJ to be 'highly contradictory...this type of witness does not deserve credibility" 24 Horas, 7.7.2008

Post by Phoebe on 20.09.18 12:35

From reading the files I'm afraid I see no evidence whatsoever to support the claim by "24horas" that Martin Smith's  evidence was considered by the P.J. to be "Highly contradictory ... and this witness does not deserve credibility" as per the title of this thread.
The P.J. went to the bother of requesting (8th Nov 2007, and Dr. Amaral was no longer in charge by this stage) that Martin Smith be questioned again. In the specific list of questions suggested by the P.J. there is no reference or suggestion whatsoever re. any contradictions in the evidence already given.
On Jan 30th 2008 Smith was questioned again with the information being forwarded to the P.J. as per request. One has to wonder why they bothered to request this if there had been any suggestion that his previous testimony was "contradictory". 
Personally, I think the problem was that Mr. and Mrs. Smith could not claim to be 100% certain that the man they had seen was Gerry (whom they did not know) while at the same time eight of his friends (who knew him well) were prepared to swear that he was sitting with them at the Tapas table.
Given the odds of two Smith's up to 80% certain they had seen Gerry in location "A" against eight others claiming to 100% certain that he was with them in Location "B" at that time, it was obvious that the Smiths' claim was dead in the water. That does not, however, mean that it was contradictory or undeserving of credibility. It merely means it would be trumped by the alibi claims of eight people.

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Re: Martin Smith's evidence was considered by the PJ to be 'highly contradictory...this type of witness does not deserve credibility" 24 Horas, 7.7.2008

Post by Sundance on 20.09.18 13:20

He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor's letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted. The Evening Herald paid his solicitor's fees and all papers printed an apology. His photograph appeared in another tabloid paper and this matter is being pursued at the moment.

I do not believe that Martin Smith is courting the press and my view his is a genuine person. He is known locally and is a very decent person.

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Re: Martin Smith's evidence was considered by the PJ to be 'highly contradictory...this type of witness does not deserve credibility" 24 Horas, 7.7.2008

Post by Sundance on 20.09.18 13:30

Gonçalo Amaral - The Truth Of The Lie - AN IRISH FAMILY IN A STATE OF SHOCK.


The McCann couple return to Great Britain after more than four months spent in the Algarve. It's an almost triumphant return. The media coverage is such that you'd think you were witnessing the liberation of hostages held for years in a far-off country. Gerald McCann is shown on television carrying his son, as he descends from the plane. The child's head is against Gerald's left shoulder and his arms dangling by his sides. Gerald walks across the tarmac, still holding his son closely against himself.


In Ireland, the Smiths are watching the BBC news, which is broadcasting the event. For them, it's a shock: that person, they recognise him. That way of carrying his child, that way of walking...It's the man they saw at around 10pm on May 3rd, with a little girl, who seemed to be deeply asleep, in his arms.


This image, brings back with a jolt, that of the man they encountered in the streets of Vila da Luz, on the evening of Madeleine's disappearance. It's as if the scene is repeating itself ....Mr Smith thinking he's hallucinating, sees the same report on other channels, ITV and Sky News. From that moment, he is sure: the man they came across that night was Gerald McCann. Of that there is very little doubt. Upset by the implications of this discovery, he alerts the police and waits to be called back by those in charge of the investigation.


When we receive this information, at the end of September, we think we finally have the piece that will allow us to complete the puzzle. Because of this, we may be able to reconstruct the course of events on that cold night of May 3rd in Vila da Luz. We have a better understanding of why Jane Tanner, "sent," the alleged abductor in the opposite direction to that taken by the man seen by the Smith family. Suspicion had to be diverted from Gerald who - if he was the guilty party - would have taken this route: leaving apartment 5A, the individual who was carrying the child, did not go east, towards Murat's house, but west in the direction of the beach.


We decide to get the Smiths back to the Algarve, for a formal identification of Gerry McCann - by means of televised images, certainly - direct confrontation being impossible - and possibly proceed to a reconstruction of the events of the night of May 3rd. The National Director of the Judiciary police agrees, the process is set in motion, all the details are sorted out; all that remains is to choose the hotel where they will be put up. But the Smiths were never to come back to Portugal. After my departure, the PJ were to change their minds. They asked the Irish police to proceed with interviewing the witness. That decision was to seriously delay the process since the Smiths were not interviewed until several months later. Meanwhile, rumours were to circulate and people not involved with the investigation would be made aware of the existence of this witness; someone allegedly even sought out contact with the family, without its being known to what end.
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Post by Verdi on 21.09.18 12:47


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