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Post by littlepixie on 10.05.11 14:47

spudgun is asking you to follow him on twitter kiko so he can email you. (just in case youve not seen )
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Post by kikoraton on 10.05.11 17:34

Spudgun! Wow, that's an iconic name from the past!
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Post by Guest on 12.05.11 15:33

@kikoraton wrote:Do that, Stella. It's hotting up there!

Your telling me, I've just been accused of claiming that Madeleine had been scalped and that I'm sick in the head ???

What do you do with all the nutters ?
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Post by Guest on 14.05.11 9:33

Kiko, I've been thinking. Seeing that you have been tweeting your suspicions, now would be a good time to put a thread in the library dedicated to the creche sheets.

Perhaps It could contain links to the original pages, followed by my excel diagrams, then include your thesis ? What do you think? Or perhaps it should start with your thesis, followed by the proof? Actually I think that will grab peoples attention better, that way we can all add links in twitter to it and people can grasp the entire argument, seeing as you are limited on twitter to a few key strokes. How Maddie's creche attendance was "arranged" - Page 36 50899
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Post by kikoraton on 14.05.11 11:08

Hi Stella
Great idea but sounds as though it would take more time than I have at my disposal. How much could be done by others?
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Post by Guest on 14.05.11 13:51

I am more than happy to include all of the links and diagrams, but I think your understanding of what happened based on the document you have needs to come from you. It doesn't need to be long, as with the Teasers: short is best for getting the message across.

example (can be used as is, or amended to be more specific, more technical as you see fit)

Title of thread: The Creche Sheet Shenanigans by kikoraton

There was something very suspicious going on with Madeleine's creche sheet entries that week.

Another child was being signed in at exactly the same time as Madeleine, or a few minutes later.

Look closely at the Naylor entries and you will see a virtual match in handwriting style, especially the letters, N, E, & M.

Gerry altered the time entries from a 12 to a 24 hour clock, to cover his tracks.

If this started on the 29th, it means that Madeleine's disappearence was planned at least 4 days before it was reported.

Insert the diagrams.

Insert the creche sheets.


Kiko, you may be confident enough to be more specific than that, so will leave that bit up to you.

Perhaps a thread just containing the diagrams and actual creche sheets, might be better from a legal point of view?

What do the others think? Twitter may have better protection ??

















Just a coincidence, or is this
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Post by kikoraton on 15.05.11 18:03

Shall have to think about that, Stella. Meanwhile, here are the team reported to be entrusted with the review ordered by the Prime Minister.
http://www.met.police.uk/scd/specialist_units/homicide.htm
http://www.met.police.uk/scd/about/s_foy.htm

The officer immediately in charge of the review (i.e.junior to the above) is Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood.

David Payne rang an unknown person in this organisation (Specialist Crime Directorate) at nearly midnight on 4 May 2007.
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Post by kikoraton on 15.05.11 18:11

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Post by Guest on 16.05.11 8:50

How Maddie's creche attendance was "arranged" - Page 36 890363 How Maddie's creche attendance was "arranged" - Page 36 351181 How Maddie's creche attendance was "arranged" - Page 36 342142

What a line up !!!! thanks kiko for the heads up.

Hamish Campbell - Infanticide

Simon Foy - Child Abuse Investigation Command
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Post by Guest on 16.05.11 9:08

@kikoraton wrote:Shall have to think about that, Stella.

The officer immediately in charge of the review (i.e.junior to the above) is Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood.

David Payne rang an unknown person in this organisation (Specialist Crime Directorate) at nearly midnight on 4 May 2007.


How Maddie's creche attendance was "arranged" - Page 36 234726 are you thinking that Payne may already have contacts inside that department and that this spells disaster?
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Post by kikoraton on 16.05.11 9:24

He must have been trying to activate such a contact, but perhaps at that time he didn't get through. The conversation, or the attempt to contact someone, lasted only 100 seconds. Not necessarily disaster, but we just have to hope that this particular part of the Met is not riddled with favouritism or freemasonry.
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Post by Guest on 16.05.11 9:47

I have to admit, as soon as I saw the name Campbell, I got very worried indeed. No specialists in abduction cases, just child abuse and child murder. This is going to be very interesting indeed.

I think I need to start taking some vitamin tablets now, in preperation for some busy times ahead !! How Maddie's creche attendance was "arranged" - Page 36 742129
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Post by Guest on 16.05.11 9:56

@kikoraton wrote:He must have been trying to activate such a contact, but perhaps at that time he didn't get through. The conversation, or the attempt to contact someone, lasted only 100 seconds. Not necessarily disaster, but we just have to hope that this particular part of the Met is not riddled with favouritism or freemasonry.

When I used to travel into London Victoria every day by train, you could pick up on roughly what other people did for a living. One woman was into something very important, Government, Foreign Office or even MI5. She would get a call on her mobile which lasted no more than 5 seconds and just listened. She would then dial out and call somewhere else and appeared to be giving a password followed by numbers, then she would just listen to something for about 10-15 seconds, then hang up. Most people would not pay any attention to any of this, they were far to busy with their Harry Potter or Sudoko. But I never miss a thing.

Payne may have been part of an access to information group, a secure line of info for something??

It's the freemason group linked to the likes of Haute de la Garrene that worries me. Look how that got a new coat of paint to cover the cracks.
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Post by Guest on 16.05.11 15:06

Kiko, I'm just about to put the links up in the library for the creche sheets and the activity charts.

You can decide later if you wish to add anything to it or not. It's probably best to discuss the nitty gritty bits on twitter and you can use the link to this page for people to see the activity for themselves.
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Post by Guest on 18.05.11 16:28

Ok, first draft for Kiko to review. Should any of this not make the final entry into the library, just lightlight the bits you think should be excluded.


Some interesting facts about the crèche sheets:

On the 30th April am, the Naylor girl is signed in as Robert Naylor, but no signature is added. The signing in of a little girl with the name Robert Naylor happens again, 3 more times over the course of 5 days.

On the 30th April pm, Kate McCann signed Madeleine in at 15.15 and signed her out again 15 minutes later. At 16.00, O’Brien signs in his daughter. At 16.30, Mann signs his son in and the only child signed out that afternoon was Madeleine.

Stephen Carpenter claims in his witness statement that his daughter was in the same group as Madeleine. On the 1st of May a child by the name of Carpenter was signed into Madeleine’s group, but her name for some reason gets crossed off and is never seen again.

Kate McCann only ever signed Madeleine in when the Naylor child was not present.

Gerry usually signed Madeleine out in the mornings, Kate in the afternoons. Except on the 3rd May, when Kate signed her out from both sessions. Gerry had an important mobile phone call to answer at 12.24, just as Kate signs her out 12.25. Gerry was busy taking his only and possibly most important call of the day, which was a 12 second call from Professor Iain Squire of Leicester University.

Nobody signed out the Naylor child on the morning of the 3rd of May, which is quite unique, because on every other occasion her mother was the one who signed her out and she never missed a day. Every time the Naylor child attended, Gerry was in close attendance. When the Naylor child didn't attend, Madeleine did, but it was Kate who signed her in. No sign of Gerry, which could be very significant.

Look at the handwriting of the McCann and Naylor entries. The letters R and lower case b are especially significant, as are the numbers 7, 8 & 9 in the telephone number. See any resemblance?
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Post by Guest on 19.05.11 12:24

2nd draft, a more condensed version hopefully.


April 30 AM, the Naylor girl is signed in as Robert Naylor, no signature is added. This is repeated 3 more times over 5 days, with a signature.

April 30 PM, Kate McCann signed Madeleine in at 15.15, she then signs her out 15 minutes later. At 16.00, O’Brien signs in his daughter. At 16.30, Mann signs in his son and the only child signed out that afternoon was Madeleine.

Stephen Carpenter claims in his witness statement that his daughter was in the same group as Madeleine. The records show this to be untrue. On May 1, a child by the name of Carpenter was signed into Madeleine’s group, but her name is crossed out.

Gerry usually signed Madeleine out in the mornings, Kate in the afternoons, except for May 3. This time Kate signs her out from both sessions. Gerry had to take a mobile phone call at 12.24, just as Kate signs out of crèche at 12.25. Gerry’s call lasted 12 seconds and was from Professor Iain Squire of Leicester University.

Nobody signed out the Naylor child May 3 AM, which is unique, as on every other occasion her mother was the one who signed her out and she never missed a day. Every time the Naylor child attended, Gerry was in close attendance. When the Naylor child didn't attend, Madeleine did and it was always Kate who signed her in. There is no sign of Gerry at these times, which could be very significant.
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Post by Guest on 19.05.11 12:46

I think the second version is better from a legal point of view, as it only describes what is seen in the creche sheets, apart from the phone call. It also does not mention the handwriting.
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Post by Guest on 22.05.11 10:05

Kiko, I've been thinking about this call from Iain Squire from Leicester University. There is a University right next door to Leicester Infirmary, which is where Dr Pawer comes into it, the one working with children and drug trials in early 2000 !!!

I wonder if there is a connection here?
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Post by kikoraton on 22.05.11 14:53

Hi Stella. I'm going to come back to your proposals when I have a bit more time. At the moment, I just have time to read a couple of forums, and do a bit of my new hobby, which I believe is called twittering. I've also been trying to get two or three newspapers interested in the 29 April theory. It's hard work. I don't think there can be a superinjuction, I just think they've been warned off. I reckon the Ward of Court order is enough, without injunctions, to prevent any discussion of Maddie, her health, her school - everything. That way, the greedy McCs can take all the limelight they wish, the Tapas 7 chums have taken a hammering in the past and been well rewarded for it, likewise Murat. But Maddie remains off-limits.
That way, no newspaper dare print anything about her appearances or what she did in the creche. She's a Ward of Court - so they have to shut up.
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Post by Guest on 22.05.11 15:04

It's a kind of back door version of a super injunction for children then !! Quite a clever move so soon after disappearing, I wonder how many other cases involving children have gone the same way?

How do you challenge a Ward of Court? Is that something the Met can do? If not, we might as well shut-up-shop now. How Maddie's creche attendance was "arranged" - Page 36 173510
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Post by Guest on 23.05.11 11:41

@kikoraton wrote:Hi Stella. I'm going to come back to your proposals when I have a bit more time. At the moment, I just have time to read a couple of forums, and do a bit of my new hobby, which I believe is called twittering. I've also been trying to get two or three newspapers interested in the 29 April theory. It's hard work. I don't think there can be a superinjuction, I just think they've been warned off. I reckon the Ward of Court order is enough, without injunctions, to prevent any discussion of Maddie, her health, her school - everything. That way, the greedy McCs can take all the limelight they wish, the Tapas 7 chums have taken a hammering in the past and been well rewarded for it, likewise Murat. But Maddie remains off-limits.
That way, no newspaper dare print anything about her appearances or what she did in the creche. She's a Ward of Court - so they have to shut up.

Mmmm, I've been thinking about this one. Maddie's immediate records may be being protected under the umbrella of a WOC protection, but if Maddie herself did not attend creche and those records are for a substitute child, why should it fall under the same protection?
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Post by littlepixie on 25.05.11 16:55

Don't know if you've see it but happygirl on the MCF reckons SY have been round to speak to her regarding review. Don't know if its a wind-up or not.
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Post by Guest on 25.05.11 17:19

Hi littlepixie, just been reading. Don't know what to make of all that. Why would detectives go and see her? It would be a funny thing to do to wind people up like that. Anyway they are all bouncing around in there and seem to believe her. Wouldn't it be good if it were true though.
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Post by Guest on 26.05.11 8:16

@littlepixie wrote:Don't know if you've see it but happygirl on the MCF reckons SY have been round to speak to her regarding review. Don't know if its a wind-up or not.

Thanks littlepixie. I've not visisted MCF since leaving them many months ago now, nor will I, all the time Ines is there.

But thanks for the info, how interesting. Maybe they went round to collect all of the files Leicestershire Police left with them when they first got back home. Oh and quite possibly the CEOP's manuals, they should never of had in the first place. How Maddie's creche attendance was "arranged" - Page 36 181154
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Post by kikoraton on 07.06.11 15:17

Who is happygirl?
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