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That is an outrageous conflation by a MP who has to be described as scum for doing it.

I disagree with many of your videos Richard (Apollo Hoax is just bad science) but this one hits home.
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Another AMAZING job by Richard. Meticulous. If only the people whose actual job it was were so thorough.
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Post by skyrocket 03.03.19 19:41

Hopefully Gardiner's comments will actually direct more viewers to Richard's 'pretend' film. I doubt he has watched it.

Need to watch it all through again. Fascinating new insights: the 'movement' expert - once you see the differences in gait it becomes glaringly obvious that there are 2 different men walking around; the appearance of the guy getting out of the car at the arrest scene; the x-armed police officer's ridicule of the arrest (which always seemed way too laid back for a gun attack); the odd countenance of Jo Cox's younger assistant who seems to be smiling (duping?) as she describes what happened (part 2/16.25); the fact that Jo Cox's body was whisked straight down to London, side-stepping normal procedures; etc.
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Post by willowthewisp 04.03.19 3:49

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1.3.2019 - Questionable Time, MP describes Richaplanet film as "Racist Abuse"




On 28th February the BBC's flagship political discussion programme, "Questionable Time" featured comments by labour MP Barry Gardiner. Watch his comments here. Gardiner held up a copy of Richaplanet's latest film about the Jo Cox assasination. You can watch the 3 hour film here. Gardiner started by reading out an alleged letter from a far right extremist, he then held up the Richplanet DVD film while holding my covering letter in his other hand. Was he trying to confuse the two letters?

In January 2019 I sent a copy of my film to every UK MP. 650 DVDs were sent out to MPs constituency offices along with a stong covering letter. Since the films were sent out, the UK media has been awash with stories featuring stories linked to Jo Cox and her assassination. These stories in my opinion are attempts to re-inforce a bogus mainstream narrative about the Jo Cox assasination, first put forward in 2016 by the UK media. Many MPs will have watched the film by now, including my own MP Gerald Jones who I know has watched the film. I urge everyone to book an appointment with your MP, to ask them if they have watched the film which they would have received at the latest by early February.

I am intersted in any feedback your MPs give you.

I have written to Mr Gardiner and chellenged him to a public debate about the evidence surrounding the Jo Cox assassination.

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Hi Jill Havern, I have watched Richard D Halls, Brexit-Jo Cox Four part series, thank you Mr Hall for another remarkable investigation into the Jo Cox Murder,allegedly carried out by Mr T Mair?

Mr B Gardner and the nefarious MP's in Parliament are now showing their true colours in regard to Democracy in the UK,2016 Referendum result.

These MP's do Not wish for Europe Union to be disbanded,they think they are so clever,by using Hypothetical questions of Not knowing the future,So I cannot provide an answer? 
Perhaps Jo Cox had become an alias John Doe over what Jo had uncovered in close connections to European Union, UK based Tax Heavens, being a cousin to the Kinnocks in Parliament, Lords, where Neil Kinnock was in charge of accounts on Europe spending accountancy, never published, 2004?

There are so many unanswered questions in regard to what may have happened to MP Jo Cox, to believe on what has been told is Not enough with the "Fake News" scenario's making people think twice about most reported events,where Death has occurred,eg Three Young Men mowed down by a driver in London and the Metropolitan Police service once again involved!
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Post by Tony Bennett 04.03.19 8:08

I have watched the whole Richard Hall documentary through twice. The first time in disbelief, but then as our resident and cautious analyst of things right or wrong, @BlueBag, says - and I agree: "I disagree with many of your videos Richard...but this one hits home".  

Another of our other resident analysts, @skyrocket, who delves into certain things re Madeleine in great depth, agrees, giving a list of things which made him think that the official story was wrong.  

For the record I fully agree also with @JimbobJones, who wrote: "Another AMAZING job by Richard. Meticulous. If only the people whose actual job it was were so thorough".

I have made my own list of things to look out for in this film, these are:

1 The differences between the dress of the two men in the videoes, one wearing a black cap and the other a white cap (we commented on that on CMOMM back in 2016 when the first reports broke.

2 The man seen hiding behind a chapel wall, lying on the ground peering through binoculars, before the murder.

3 How on earth the police already knew the name of the man (Tommy Mair) as they arrested him just minutes after the incident.

4 The highly unusual procedures followed immediately after the incident by police, hospital, coroner etc. 

5 The trial of Tommy Mair. Why were friends and family kept away from it? Was it really Tommy Mair in the dock. Why did he say nothing during the whole trial except the word 'Yes; in answer to his name and then 'Not Guilty'. Just three words.

6 The letter sent by Tommy Mair to Richard Hall. 

7 The connections between Jo Cox and left-wing, Marxist, anti-Christian globalist George Soros...Jo Cox's controversial work supporting the Syrian White Helmets - purportedly a neutral 'Red Cross' type of organisation but in reality a U.S. and U.K.-backed 'front' group for violent, jihadi, Islamist rebels trying to topple the lawful government of Syria.

There is one more curiosity I would add. The murder of Jo Cox was carried out on 16 - 6 - 16. Now for those who have studied the way secret groups like the Illuminati, Freemasonry etc. conduct their affairs, it can readily be seen that 666 is a favoured number, as are other triples like 111, 333 and 555. The obelisk, the White House and the plan of Washington D.C. were all designed by top Freemasons of the time. The height of the obelisk is 555 feet, or 6660 inches. I believe that these dimensions were chosen deliberately by high-level plotters very familiar with occult numerology.


If you watch this documentary, and agree with Richard's astonishing conclusion, you will go on to ponder just how this operation was planned, and also how long beforehand it was planned. You will also wonder why the man alleged to be Tommy Mair was heard to shout out slogans like 'Britain First!'. Was this an attempt to stop people voting Brexit? - Jo Cox was a huge Remain supporter.

Finally, this is a brilliant, individual investigation. Richard has the mind of a genius in the way he has put this together with dozens of ours of dedicated, insightful research.

How lucky we all were here on CMOMM that back in 2014 - it seems a long time ago now! - he turned his skills into the most complete analysis yet of the disappearance of poor Madeleine McCann.     


WATCH Richard's Jo Cox Documentary - EXIT FROM BREXIT - NOW before YouTube take it down!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxXcYsC8aIM 

17,000 views plus in just the first 2 days

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Post by Guest 04.03.19 18:40

White cap becomes black cap.

Either Tommy Mair thought this was a cunning disguise or someone messed up.

Isn't the official explantaion that he threw the white one away never to be found?
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Post by Philo Beddoe 05.03.19 2:06

I'm just about to watch Richard's new film. I don't know whether or not this in the film but when watching the CCTV footage of the alleged killer it seemed to me that he didn't know the local area as shown in this image I made https://postimg.cc/N5V6fN24.
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Post by Guest 05.03.19 2:28

BlueBag wrote:White cap becomes black cap.

Either Tommy Mair thought this was a cunning disguise or someone messed up.

Isn't the official explantaion that he threw the white one away never to be found?
Update:

The white cap was found in the garden days later with the coat and some gun shells.

We are told (without evidence) Tommy wore two caps - white over black - until he discarded the white one minutes later in an overgrown garden.

So Tommy Mair, resident of small town Birstall, member of / visitor to the Birstall library, wandered the streets of Birstall waiting for Jo Cox to show up. He went into a shop and bought a chocolate bar and ate it outside.

Wearing two caps was a way of cunningly not drawing attention to yourself.

Tommy's brilliant disguise involved wearing the white cap he usually wore over a black cap and wandering around the market and buying chocolate. 
The man is grey haired, has a goatee which he made no attempt to hide.
Tommy Mair's disguise was to wander around looking like Tommy Mair usually looks and he carried out the murder looking the same.

But cunningly he changed to not look like Tommy Mair after the event (well... if a different colour cap can do that).

And he cunningly managed to get hold of a gun and bullets without the Police having the slightest idea how he did that.

Cunning.

It all makes sense.
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Post by willowthewisp 05.03.19 2:53

BlueBag wrote:
BlueBag wrote:White cap becomes black cap.

Either Tommy Mair thought this was a cunning disguise or someone messed up.

Isn't the official explantaion that he threw the white one away never to be found?
Update:

The white cap was found in the garden days later with the coat and some gun shells.

We are told (without evidence) Tommy wore two caps - white over black - until he discarded the white one minutes later in an overgrown garden.

So Tommy Mair, resident of small town Birstall, member of / visitor to the Birstall library, wandered the streets of Birstall waiting for Jo Cox to show up. He went into a shop and bought a chocolate bar and ate it outside.

Wearing two caps was a way of cunningly not drawing attention to yourself.

Tommy's brilliant disguise involved wearing the white cap he usually wore over a black cap and wandering around the market and buying chocolate. 
The man is grey haired, has a goatee which he made no attempt to hide.
Tommy Mair's disguise was to wander around looking like Tommy Mair usually looks and he carried out the murder looking the same.

But cunningly he changed to not look like Tommy Mair after the event (well... if a different colour cap can do that).

And he cunningly managed to get hold of a gun and bullets without the Police having the slightest idea how he did that.

Cunning.

It all makes sense.
Hi Bluebag,ah yes, the Home made hand Gun that the Yorkshire Police had found had been used in another Crime, 12 Months earlier,Mr Mair mustn't have fitted into that crime scenario,"Two birds with One stone" crime clean up?

Then you have"computer generated images" used as official evidence in a  Crown Court, Old Bailey, other than Photographic images used for how many years since photography invented!

No One person as a "witness" picked out the assailant in Crown Court, stating that the person they saw was now present in Court, with no family members to support a person with Mental Health problems,except for Government Officials,Dr Sheppherd,autopsy in London?

How is it possible to shoot, then stab a victim up to 15 times and the assailant has No forensic contaminants from Two victims he attacked on his person,when arrested?

Did the arresting Officers wear protective gloves when arresting Mr Mair, so as Not to cross contaminate forensic evidence, after all they called out Mr Mairs first name, so how did they know this person's name?

Just another state cover up,Birmingham Six,Hillsborough, unsolved Murder of Daniel Morgan, tentacles to Police, News Paper owners,Madeleine McCann, Jeremy Thorpe,Jeremy Bamber,Jill Dando- Saville, operation Yewtree,Midland, Haute De La Guranne,Elm Guest House,child abuse?
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Post by Doug D 05.03.19 3:30

Interesting mornings viewing. I watched the original Jo Cox video last year, but hadn’t got round to this one yet.
 
Links to the other three parts for ease of reference:
 
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayVtnCimME
 
Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RcwbnihMsE
 
Part 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC2ViwDZUs4
 
Bluebag.
 
According to RH (Pt 2, 36.12) 
 
‘The police allege….’
 
that the white cap was found in the overgrown garden in John Nelson Close, but not sure where that actually comes from.
 
 A couple of things that jumped out at me, aside from someone who knows the area, allegedly trying to make a get-away, getting sucked up two cul-de-sacs for no good reason.
 
Darren Playford’s 999 call (Pt 2, 38.00):
 
He reported the shooting and stabbing, (at approx. 12.57) so he must have been in Market Street at the time, or at least in Tesco’s car park.
 
Then:
 
‘He’s following me(up Union Street) at the moment, just trying to get away from him’ 
 
If you saw a gunman coming down the hill (Market Street) towards you, given the road choices, would you not instinctively go in roughly the opposite direction to him, up Smithies Lane to relative safety, rather than cross the road and have him follow you?
 
DP then must have turned right at the end of Union Street, saw the gunman turn left and then turned round to follow him, seeing him cross over and disappear behind the The Vaults pub.
 
Having lost sight of him he then hangs around (waiting to be shot at?) for possibly up to 18 minutes, without any police arriving, when he sees (probably) Tommy Mair, in his black cap and grey shirt walking up Brownhill Road.
 Still no police arrive for another 10/15 minutes until they all miraculously appear at the same time once Mair has been apprehended in Risedale Avenue. 
 
………………………………
 
As for the two ‘heroic’ arresting officers (Pt 3, 2.00), apprehending a potential gun/knife man:
 
‘I sat on the window ledge and I hung out the window, Craig held my belt………..I was shouting at him to stop’
 
More like the bloody Keystone Cops.
 
So he was in the passenger seat of the car driving down the hill, with ‘people in the gardens’, yet happy to warn the supposed gunman, who was on the right hand (drivers) side and give him plenty of time to get his gun out again and shoot him or the public, before he could possibly get out to him.
 
It’s got almost as many holes as a T9 statement, and a pretty big slice of dupers delight thrown in for good measure.
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Post by Guest 05.03.19 4:21

Witnesses say the Police knew his name when arresting him.

Which would be impossible under normal circumstances.
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Post by skyrocket 05.03.19 18:52

The 2 arresting officers state that when they stopped Tommy he dropped the bag and put both arms out to the sides. Why then was their a need to rugby tackle him? He wasn't moving or resisting. Why didn't they just handcuff him or, more appropriately, wait for the armed response? Was the rugby tackle (clearly from the front as he fell backwards, so he wasn't legging it) to enable them to smack his head on the ground to provide blood to be transferred on to items from the attack scene? Was this why they had 2 PC's arrest him, contrary to all protocol? The armed response unit wouldn't have got away with being so 'Keystone Cops' (quite apart from getting awarded for it). 

It would be interesting if anyone could manage to do a comparative height of Tommy and the other individual - Tommy's legs look quite a bit longer.

I can't for the life of me fathom what sort of person gets knowingly involved in setting up a completely innocent person - my thoughts are with Tommy Mair, poor guy. Great job investigating and raising awareness Richard. Please feedback if Gardiner ever responds to your request for a face-off!
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Post by Guest 05.03.19 19:05

Why would anyone wear two caps when you keep one in the bag?

Absolutely ridiculous story.
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Post by Guest 05.03.19 21:35

I'm puzzled by Darren Playford's telephone conversation with the Police.

He starts off saying the person is behind him, following him from the library down Union Street.

So Playford decided to turn left up Huddersfield Road, and again the person does the same... following him (unlucky Darren).

So he is in front of the person... on the phone... looking behind at the person.... talking to the police.

At some point Playford must have stopped (otherwise he wouldn't have seen the person go behind the pub)... on the phone... looking at the person.... talking to the Police... in full view of the person as he turned and went behind "The Vaults" pub into John Nelson close.

Then he hung around this spot.... looking at John Nelson close.... talking to the Police for some time (18 minutes?).... and the Police didn't turn up...

Luckily he was able to tell the Police that the person was now wearing a black cap and where he was now heading.

I'd like to see the full time and transcript of this conversation with the Police.

Sounds to me like he was actually following the person, not the other way around.
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Post by Guest 05.03.19 21:50

I think this is interesting:

http://www.dcp-plumbing.co.uk/index-1.html



ABOUT DCP PLUMBING & HEATING
Darren Playford (Owner)
Darren always knew that he wanted to provide a service to people and so upon leaving school he right away started an apprenticeship for a small building company based in West Yorkshire, where he was taught all aspects of the building, & plumbing and heating trade. Once qualified Darren moved into Commercial Plumbing where he spent most of his days working all over the country in many Ministry of Defense Sites.
Darren's skills as a Plumber got noticed by companies far and wide and it wasn't long before his days were then taken up by installing commercial and industrial boilers in to very well known blue chip companies.
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Post by Tony Bennett 05.03.19 22:04

BlueBag wrote:I'm puzzled by Darren Playford's telephone conversation with the Police.

He starts off saying the person is behind him, following him from the library down Union Street.

So Playford decided to turn left up Huddersfield Road, and again the person does the same... following him (unlucky Darren).

So he is in front of the person... on the phone... looking behind at the person.... talking to the police.

At some point Playford must have stopped (otherwise he wouldn't have seen the person go behind the pub)... on the phone... looking at the person.... talking to the Police... in full view of the person as he turned and went behind "The Vaults" pub into John Nelson close.

Then he hung around this spot.... looking at John Nelson close.... talking to the Police for some time (18 minutes?).... and the Police didn't turn up...

Luckily he was able to tell the Police that the person was now wearing a black cap and where he was now heading.

I'd like to see the full time and transcript of this conversation with the Police.

Sounds to me like he was actually following the person, not the other way around.
@ BlueBag     IMO these are excellent observations and I agree with them wholeheartedly.

Indeed I would go so far as to say that the enigma of the Darren Playford tape recording is one of the key evidential issues in the whole of Richard Hall's quite extraordinary film.

Richard kindly sent me an advance copy of his full documentary and in my initial comments to him I made these observations:

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Darren Playford

Having now listened to this twice, I think these are the possibilities:

1 It was totally genuine

2 He really was there but had been pre-advised what to say and do, i.e. he was ordered to go and be at the right place at the right time

3 It was manufactured after the event and made to sound like a real call at about 1pm to West Yorkshire Police. This would however require quite a bit of acting as he was breathless.

My thoughts: Would any sane man who knew that he was being followed by a killer with a knife and a gun do anything except run a mile? And would he hang around the Vault pub waiting to see what happened next? It seems very doubtful.

I accept as you do that it is POSSIBLE the real Tommy Mair happened to walk past the Vault while (possibly) the hit man was picked up in a car.

Then again his specific reference to the cap and putting forward the idea of Mair changing his cap does hint at being given a script.

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You may recall that in some of my observations on the Madeleine McCann case, I have referred to certain people being given a 'script' to rehearse. I have mentioned this in connection with Jane Tanner, Nuno Lourenco and the Smith family, for example.

Having read your post above @BlueBag, I am inclined to think that my alternative (3) is correct, namely that Darren Playford may have manufactured this tape, under police supervision, after the event.

His conduct in

(1) initially avoiding Richard Hall, 
(2) his subsequent hysterical response to the police claiming harassment when Richard wrote him the politest of letters, and
(3) then the extraordinary early morning knock at Richard's door (filmed by Richard's CCTV!) by South Wales police just hours after Darren Playford received Richard's letter...

...all help to convince me that the recording of Darren Playford purportedly following the killer is NOT genuine.




As I said in my last post, members and guests here should watch this film now before YouTube remove it




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Post by Doug D 06.03.19 0:58

The helicopter shot (Pt 2, 39.41) shows one of the policeman casually strolling on the pavement, back up towards the police car, no urgency whatever.
 
My first thought was that he was going to get the green first aid bag we later see on the floor by Tommy, but he actually walks past the car, so is he on his phone?
 
They must have very quickly realized that Tommy was of absolutely no threat, otherwise there is no way he would have left his colleague and they would have waited for the support that they must have known was on its way.
 
Unfortunately the helicopter clip ends, but we then see the two officers and the green first aid bag by Tommy, with the nearside door of the police car now shut, when the back-up arrives.
 
Darren Beckford talks about a helicopter when he is walking up Union Street within maybe three minutes of the shooting and then later when he sees him walking up Brownhill Road, ‘if you’re aerial you’ll get him’.
 
What makes him think a helicopter is going to get there quicker than the initial police response, or  had he seen it already in the vicinity? If so, how & why?
 
They certainly got to Risedale Avenue before the support crew all managed to sail in together.
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Post by Guest 06.03.19 1:55

Darren Playford MUST be connected . . . . NOBODY without CONNECTIONS can move the deadweight of bureaucratic police form filling across two separate forces SO QUICKLY.
Now the question must be connected to who? Military Intelligence? GCHQ? Special Branch? or the glue that holds them all together, Freemasonry?
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Post by willowthewisp 06.03.19 2:30

Hi DougD, in Risedale Avenue,"One Police"officer sidles up to colleagues,meanders over to where Mr Mair is on the floor seated,bleeding,confused?
(Police Officer) turns around, stoops, bends down and picks up the "Black hold Hall", then kicks or places it next to Two Officers he had conversed with earlier, was this the Bag that contained the Gun Police show as evidence, which was different to the Hand gun first thought to have been used by the assailant?

MP Barry Gardner, looked "perturbed" on Question Time over introducing his letters and then show the DVD to audience,Right Wing Nut jobs?

What must be worrying Mr Gardner is that what has been shown in the DVD is a lot of unanswered questions,Ambulance waiting 50 Minutes with an injured person, aka (Princess Diana 62 Minutes)then the Body whisked away to London, in MP Jo Cox's Murder with possible "State Collusion" to an event? 

Just imagine the proverbial "sh*t" hitting the fan, if it can be proved as false,"Conspiracy Theory" nutters they'll state?

Yorkshire Police Force have become entangled to a lot of big cases lately, where questions have been asked, "Grooming Gangs", Hillsborough covered up,Ben Needham,DNA,Operation Yewtree,(Metropolitan Police 7 Months first)BBC libel,Pop star mogul(Kitty)Richards on Elm Guest House list cleared,BBC Reporter "Bullying", the Police?

Aka Rebekah Brooks,Andy Coulson,David Cameron,"We'er All in this together",Leveson,No wonder Part Two was cancelled!
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Post by Tony Bennett 06.03.19 2:44

JimbobJones wrote:Darren Playford MUST be connected . . . . NOBODY without CONNECTIONS can move the deadweight of bureaucratic police form filling across two separate forces SO QUICKLY.
Now the question must be connected to who? Military Intelligence? GCHQ? Special Branch? or the glue that holds them all together, Freemasonry?

If Richard Hall's theory is correct, how long in advance must this have been planned?

Did they plan this event in order to try to make people vote Remain?

Why did they decide on Jo Cox's constituency?

How long, then, did it take to identify the patsy, Tommy Mair?

For how long were they observing his daily routine, his modus operandi, his movements?

Who got to know him and gave him instructions to tend to some gardens that day?

It is often argued that MI5 are more powerful than the government itself.

This reckless operation (if that is what is was) MUST have been planned by MI5 and using Special Branch officers.

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Post by willowthewisp 06.03.19 3:36

Mr Tony Bennett, i note that Mr Richard Shepperd is supposed to have been involved with identifying injuries on how MP Jo Cox had died!

Would this be the same Dr Richard Shepperd who ascertained Miss Carole Kaiser had died aged 47 yrs, Insulin overdose,suicide?

Did Doctor Richard Shepperd also diagnose Dr David Kelly's Death as Suicide,Iraq War,No Inquest, Dr Kelly's body exhumed and Now Cremated to stop people causing distress to Mr Kelly's family!

Is,are there anymore person's mysterious Deaths or suicides proscribed by Mr Sheppeherd for the "Establishment records"?
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Post by Tony Bennett 06.03.19 4:13

willowthewisp wrote:Mr Tony Bennett, i note that Mr Richard Shepperd is supposed to have been involved with identifying injuries on how MP Jo Cox had died!

Would this be the same Dr Richard Shepperd who ascertained Miss Carole Kaiser had died aged 47 yrs, Insulin overdose,suicide?

Did Doctor Richard Shepperd also diagnose Dr David Kelly's Death as Suicide,Iraq War,No Inquest, Dr Kelly's body exhumed and Now Cremated to stop people causing distress to Mr Kelly's family!

Is,are there anymore person's mysterious Deaths or suicides proscribed by Mr Sheppeherd for the "Establishment records"?

I believe you are correct, yes.

There are, unfortunately, corrupt pathologoists in this world of ours, as well as corrupt politicians and corrupt police officers.

And corrupt doctors

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Post by Guest 06.03.19 18:50

The more I listen to Darren Plyford's phone call the more I think he was following the person, not in front.


"he's got a black bag in his hand,
he's got a white cap on,
he's walking towards The Vaults pub now,
on the left hand-side of the road going up the hill".

If you're behind him, he's on the left-hand side going up the hill.

I think Darren needs to answer a few questions.
Not coming up the hill then?



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Post by skyrocket 06.03.19 20:35

@BlueBag - yes, the Huddersfield Road section of phone call is very, very interesting.

The call to the emergency services has been initiated about 1 minute earlier and seems to be a continuous section of conversation. In Huddersfield Road, Darren says that the man is walking 'near' the Vaults pub. The emergency operator immediately states 'towards' the Vaults, to which Darren doesn't stress 'no!' as would be expected, he simply replys 'he's walking away' from the Vaults pub. Then almost immediately Darren changes the direction the man is walking to 'towards' the Vaults. He then says that the man's got a 'black bag in his hand' which he then clarifies is a 'carrier bag' and again as a 'black carrier bag'. No mention of the black holdall type bag.

Even more interestingly, there is virtually no description given of the man or his clothing until the point at which he approaches the Vaults pub where he apparently/conveniently disappears from view for about 30 seconds. The ONLY piece of clothing Darren brings up/stresses up to this point is the white baseball cap.


When Darren sees the man again he has changed his appearance. He has removed a jacket and has change his baseball cap to a black one. What is the first thing you are most likely to comment on if you were innocently following him? You'd expect the first comment/exclamation Darren makes to be, 'I can see him again and he's changed his baseball cap to a black one!' But instead he says calmly that the man's taken his top off, before starting to now describe his full outfit including the black cap. The operator has to clarify that the man has changed his cap - it is not stressed by Darren until after he is asked about it.

This all suggests to me that Darren may be working to a script - a script which is triggered at different points en route. The cap change doesn't seem to be a surprise to him.

In a past life I have had to phone emergency services as crimes were in progress. Despite the adrenalin the first thing on my mind was always to give as detailed a description as possible - always starting with complete clothing, then height, age, hair colour, build, vehicles. Why did Darren not do this immediately? Why didn't the operator ask for a description? There are plenty of lapses in the conversation and Darren does not sound too out of breath to speak - I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have been talking constantly, giving a complete picture of the man he was following (or being followed by).

And what about that bag?
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Post by Doug D 06.03.19 20:44

BlueBag:

The more I listen to Darren Plyford's phone call the more I think he was following the person, not in front.

I agree, but if DP was being followed up Union Street, 'trying to get away from him' and turned right in Huddersfield Road and then looked back and saw white cap had turned left, he could then turn round and follow from a safe distance.


Obviously difficult with snippets, not the full phone call, but why say 'He's walking away from Vaults pub' unless he went past, up to the crossing before he crossed over? 'He's crossed the road now, towards the Vaults pub'. Clearly not in much of a hurry if he did.
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