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Post by Verdi on 04.06.18 1:18

It seems I was on the right track thinking that the McCann campaign's 10th anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance would be the grand finale - well almost.  In April/May (that month again) 2017, the McCanns and their defence league went full speed ahead laying their ten year  'campaign' to rest with a blitz of media attention.  This rather leaves the spectator in limbo - possibly by design or possibly by default.  Whichever, genuine folk who won't rest until they see justice for a little lost three year old girl by the name of Madeleine McCann will not be dictated by the McCann faction into submission.

I know the many aspects of this case have been discussed ad-infinitum, some might say to exhaustion, leaving nothing left to say - no stones left to unturn to coin a phrase.  To back-off now will be an act of defeatism, something I'm sure many of us won't admit to - so where do we go from here?

CMoMM will never be a lost cause, whether it continues to be active or not, it will always be there, on the internet, as a source of information for past, present and future study.  Like so many historic criminal cases, the mysterious disappearance of Madeleine McCann will never go away - it will always be part of our lives and the lives of future generations even if the truth is buried for eternity by the formidable UK establishment.  I for one (and hope many members and guest feel the same) would very much like to see and be part of an ongoing active respectable CMoMM that has seen so much discussion for so many years, despite constant attack from within and without.

So where do we go from here.

The letter containing research by the CMoMM splinter group, the MMRG, translated from English to Portuguese by CMoMM friend and member Paulo Reis, has been sent to the Portuguese Chief Prosecutor and receipt of said letter has been duly aknowledged.  It's now a case of waiting to see what, if anything, transpires, be the outcome positive or negative I feel members of CMoMM still have an important role to play.   If the Portuguese authorities are prepared to act on the information, all well and good but there is still work to be done from this end.

Members are invited here to put forward ideas for discussion, it matters not whether topics have been flogged to death in the past, or never been raised before.  I know it's boring for some to keep going over the same old ground but remember, not all readers of CMoMM are old hands so not familiar with the finer detail of the case, some are new to the case and might be eager to learn more.  It's important for Madeleine McCann to keep this case high profile, even if the McCanns are moving on and would rather it disappeared.

Remember, this is about little Madeleine McCann -  the only important person in this atrocious charade.

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As the saying goes - the show ain't over till the fat lady sings !!!

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Post by joyce1938 on 04.06.18 8:01

Yes I understand what you are saying Verdi,there have been so many people on here over years now,but im afraid ,lots have given up ,and just pop in on the odd occasion,so read obviously. So many things we just don't know ,wish we did .The annoyance are a pity to watch ,when some crop up . I feel we can be open here and say how we feel ,but should not be a problem  to one another .When I say     idont think we shall know what has happened to dear little girl well would be big girl now ,if only ? I am not wanting to be awkward just gut feeling after so long.I never intend to put anyone off ,just have to know how we feel and not be scared to say so .regards joyce1938
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Post by Verdi on 04.06.18 14:02

Well, that's a negative start to a new initiative - I was rather hoping to encourage member participation, so often I hear members complain that their input is not appreciated, this is to give everyone an opportunity to raise topics they would like to see further discussed, or introduced if not previously discussed.

In trying to make CMoMM more user friendly, team admin have introduced a number of new initiatives to help members old and new navigate the forum and 'have their say', it's disappointing that all these attempts to improve the forum have not been recognized - at least not positively.  Seems you can't please folk one way or the other.

I thank you Joyce1938 for at least taking the time to reply.  You are of course quite right about people losing interest in the case - if it wasn't for the fact that it's all about justice for a voiceless little lost three year old child, Madeleine McCann, I also would have lost interest around June 2007.

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Post by joyce1938 on 04.06.18 23:38

Thanks for your reply Verdi,dont take much notice of my thoughts ,I am just getting oldie and also have a lt to cope with ,my husband has to be cared for too,So at times I get time to have look see late at night .like now ,and really don't always have the energy ,to explain .joyce1938
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Post by Verdi on 05.06.18 0:42

That's OK Joyce, I quite understand.

The most important thing is that you support the forum and have Madeleine at heart singlerose .  Heavens knows, we all have negative thoughts about this case, there's little to be positive about.

So we carry-on.

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Post by Mark Willis on 05.06.18 7:19

There are so many questions left unanswered.
I want to know what happened to Maddie.
I want to know why the McCanns are a protected species.
I want to know why they treat MBM as a commodity and not a lost loved one.
I check all my usual watering holes every day for McNews and have done since the very first day via numerous sites. Having invested so much time in the search for justice for Maddie there is no way I can stop until "it" stops - the McCann Circus and all its crew.
So many need bringing to book, not least several PMs and (for whom I hold a special contempt), Sky News.
If I ever feel I am losing motivation I just watch any McCann vid and I am stirred to do whatever can be done to see those two tell us where their daughter is, because everyone's aware they know.

I am intrigued by who knew who, prior to May 3rd 2007 and what their roles may have been. When "coincidences" start to line up by the dozen then I smell a rat. One of them Rattus Rattus ones.
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Post by Mark Willis on 05.06.18 7:32

A couple of observations: in the few photos we have of the Mcs and their kids (prior to Maddie going missing) it always struck me we see stacks more of Gerry with the kids than Kate. He always looks genuinely very happy, beaming smiles as he plays with them.
Not many of Kate with the kids... I used to wonder if they were a bit scared of her and Dad was sanctuary (leg clinging).
We have no idea of what is in any of the Mc families medical histories, nor do we see any pix of a pregnant Kate.
The biggest initial conflict, as I saw it, was here we have so-called two devout Catholics going down the frowned upon IVF route. Did you mention that to the Pope, Kate?
When Maddie went missing, suddenly this living breathing corporeal child became an item, an it, a good marketing ploy, who was only "almost" perfect when born. The temperature drops to freezing when Kate speaks of "the child" and Gerry equates Maddie with overdrafts and good quality wrist bands. I am going out on a limb here but I have always thought that, although Kate is no doubt the Mother, that Gerry was not, irrespective of documents (easily altered) that say he is the Father. Given Uncle John's unseemly haste to jack his job in I thought he might be the Father by er...proxy. (All donations gratefully received!).
Then I thought that the twins really were the love children of K and G and why Maddie appeared not to be as loved as they appear to be. Stranger things happen at sea.
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Post by nglfi on 05.06.18 7:47

@Mark Willis, that's something I've always wondered too, why we never see any pictures of a pregnant Kate. I do get the impression she's very image and body conscious from her book. She talks a lot in it about how she's very thin and always has been, as if the reader would be interested in her figure. So I don't know if she just doesn't want to share those photos, or if there's a more intriguing reason. I would have thought it would be an easy way to tug on the heart strings, to show her and Gerry happily waiting for the arrival of Madeleine. Who knows.....

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Post by polyenne on 05.06.18 13:04

I think the IVF and The Netherlands links need careful inspection

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Post by Verdi on 05.06.18 13:36

@polyenne wrote:I think the IVF and The Netherlands links need careful inspection
I'm right with you there - although I can't see how it's possible without detailed knowledge of the process, McCann wise.

It seems mighty odd to me that having endured one gruelling IVF procedure in the comfort of your own environment, why you would choose to go through the same process again in a foreign country, attended by unfamiliar medics, surroundings and without knowledge of the language.  In her autobiographical novel, she mentions how she needed relatives by her side for comfort and to help cope with their first born, Madeleine, whilst Gerald was working.

Also odd to me, as Mark mentions above, Gerald referring to his first born as "almost perfect" (that's on video).  From my experience, whenever a new born arrives on the scene, everyone everyone refers to it as 'perfect' - no matter what it looks like.
Even if the slight eye defect was noticeable, it wouldn't prompt a proud new father to use the expression "almost perfect".

What an odd couple they are far from perfect.

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Post by joyce1938 on 05.06.18 16:43

Thanks Verdi for getting back to me with good attitude ,I did think after I sent ,oh blimey hope I haven't upset anyone.X
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Post by willowthewisp on 05.06.18 17:35

@polyenne wrote:I think the IVF and The Netherlands links need careful inspection
There are quite a lot of things being connected to the Netherlands on Madeleine's case and not only IVF?

Remember the sighting of Madeleine in the Bookstore or shop?

Then in Belgium?

The Kidnappers Ransom Fee,wher our Gerry was enacting his Kojack specials in front of the UK Portugal PJ?

Wasn't Russell O'Brien being in contact with Gerry from Portugal,when Russell was in the Netherlands and they met up in an Hospital in the Netherlands for One Day only?

Did the UK Tax payer fund the IVF on behalf of Two Doctors from the UK or Did the Netherlands NHS pay for the specialist IVF treatment,due to the two doctors being very Special Persons?

So all the McCann children were artificially inseminated in the Netherlands containing Kate,Gerry's, eggs,sperm,yet chose for their children to be Born in the UK?

One of the Portugal News Papers ran an article stating Gerry McCann may Not have been Madeleine's biological Parent,it was denied as being profound of who was the parent of Madeleine by Clarence Mitchell,but quite as to why he would have this intimate knowledge is another thing in regard to the spin meister supreme Clarence!

I know looks can be deceiving,but quite why the picture of Both Madeleine and Uncle John McCann bare so much resemblance must be another mystery,Maddies Jammies?
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Post by polyenne on 05.06.18 18:05

Were not other T7 children the product of IVF treatment ? If so, where were they “conceived” ?
Might there be common denominators, do the “secret” medical records hide the truth ?

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Post by Mark Willis on 05.06.18 18:34

@nglfi wrote:@Mark Willis, that's something I've always wondered too, why we never see any pictures of a pregnant Kate. I do get the impression she's very image and body conscious from her book. She talks a lot in it about how she's very thin and always has been, as if the reader would be interested in her figure. So I don't know if she just doesn't want to share those photos, or if there's a more intriguing reason. I would have thought it would be an easy way to tug on the heart strings, to show her and Gerry happily waiting for the arrival of Madeleine. Who knows.....
You would be forgiven for thinking that, given the Mcs difficulty regards conception going down the IVF route, that you would take photos throughout the pregnancy. Indeed they would provide excellent tear-jerking reminders of the anguish of the Mcs. We know so little of these two's history, the oft uttered conjecture that Kate's medical history would show she was just that little bit mentally unstable. These were observations that go right back to the NHS forums back in 2007.
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Post by Mark Willis on 05.06.18 18:40

@polyenne wrote:I think the IVF and The Netherlands links need careful inspection
So do I for several reasons, one or two I'd not voice here. Suffice to say I did a lot of study on IVF becuase I knew nothing about it prior to 3.5.07. Not so now. See, to me, the glaring anomaly is, and always has been, that if you enter into IVF it is last resort, borne out of desperation, traumatic and arduous - yet the miracle that was MBM didn't quite engender euphoria in the McHousehold, that somehow you feel the Mcs wished they'd kept the receipt for Maddie to get their money back.
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Post by HiDeHo on 05.06.18 19:22

The title of this thread reminded me of the video I compiled after Goncalo refused to accept an 'out of court' settlement...

The tune was perfect, and coincidentally was apparently one of his favourite tunes during his studies....

His tenacity in this case is an inspiration which is why I used... The Show Must Go On' by Queen...




For myself, not much has changed...

I have made it clear many times I have no major interest in whether the McCanns are charged or not...

The MAIN reason I am here is because I believe the ONE THING the McCanns fear the most is to have the UK learn the truth that is in the files and their HUGE efforts to stop ANYONE learning the truth tells me I am likely correct...

All my posts or videos or Graphics or the FB Group is based almost entirely on the facts from the files and I hope that one day... somehow.... the UK public will learn the truth and THATS when the MCanns will have nowhere to go...

I will continue to persevere with my efforts and hope between us all we can achieve that goal.

Unlike many, I welcome members that honestly believe the McCanns are innocent as THOSE are the people that I feel need to learn the truth so they can learn and base their opinions on knowledge and not just blind belief.

Thanks for this thread Verdi... its important that we dont give up.... 

We can give Maddie a voice...

She deserves it xx
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Post by Copodenieve on 05.06.18 19:50

I’ve learnt so much from this forum over the years I’ve been reading it, but it’s true that not much is happening a lately, except for the Horan saga, which I think you all handled brilliantly. Another one bites the dust!
This may sound like a stupid idea, but I’ll throw it on the table anyway; maybe people would be more inclined to participate in the forum if they were invited to help out a little. I’m sort of imagining a virtual class room where some of you more experienced researchers could propose certain assignments on different areas of the case and then discuss the completed research. It wouldn’t need to be public, it could be a private virtual room so that there is no risk of libel, and then if anything interesting transpires, those findings could be posted on the forum to be discussed openly.
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Post by Jill Havern on 05.06.18 20:15

@HiDeHo wrote:Unlike many, I welcome members that honestly believe the McCanns are innocent as THOSE are the people that I feel need to learn the truth so they can learn and base their opinions on knowledge and not just blind belief.

Thanks for this thread Verdi... its important that we dont give up.... 

We can give Maddie a voice...

She deserves it xx
I'm surprised you didn't have anything to say to Professor Horan...
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Post by Verdi on 06.06.18 1:00

@Copodenieve wrote:..... maybe people would be more inclined to participate in the forum if they were invited to help out a little.
I was rather hoping this thread might do just that. 


In all honesty, generally I don't think folk are interested in getting involved with 'the work' side of things, they would rather sit back and let someone else do all the work and just read. 


Your suggestion is good in principle but apart from the fact I doubt many members would be willing to actively participate, in fairness to admin/mods and members alike, they all have lives to lead outside CMoMM, so time is of the essence.

It's a lot to ask.


Still, worth a try if anyone's interested in kicking-off.

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Post by HiDeHo on 06.06.18 3:53

I have one area that has been waiting to be researched for many years but unfortunately I have never found the time.  If anyone is interested in comparing some of the timelines I have put together, who knows WHAT discrepancies and contradictions could be found!

I took all the T9 (and a few other statements), and compiled approximately 300 timelines and timetables based on the statements, taking out comments pertaining to a specific time and adding them to a timetable or timeline in preparation to compare contradictions later.


Title: THURSDAY Timetables for COMPARISON
http://forum4.aimoo.com/madeleinemccanncontroversy/WELCOME-to-HDH-Controversy-Info/THURSDAY-Timetables-for-COMPARISON-1-2404921.html

As I was doing it, and retaining the information in my mind I was able to recognise many of the 50 or more discrepancies...[/td]




Title: DISCREPANCY LIST & ALL RESEARCH LINKS (from witness statements)
http://forum4.aimoo.com/madeleinemccanncontroversy/WELCOME-to-HDH-Controversy-Info/DISCREPANCY-LIST-ALL-RESEARCH-LINKS-from-witness-statements-1-2309815.html

HOWEVER it was a long and arduous task which more often than not was just copying and pasting their activities into the specific time on the timetables and I didnt check them against what the rest of the T9 had described.

We know that some discrepancies can be considered a memory issue, but some very specific differences in their claim to activities is very questionable...

When compared to others' statements of the same time frame, there could be some very interesting contradictions.

Overall, the ones I managed to put together started on Tuesday morning... hence my belief that by that time something had happened to Maddie and they were in damage control and trying to cover up.  I can see no other reason for some major discrepancies...

If ANYONE has the time and patience (and motivation) I would LOVE for someone to check through the timetables and see if what they tell us happened at any particular time of day agrees with what  an of their friends claim.

Above is the THURSDAY timetable (and more) but I have compiled close to 300 and they ALL need checking.

I have no idea what can be found... though I do recall looking at breakfast on Thursday and trying to understand the contradictions about who was there and who wasn't.... Rachael and Matt dont seem to tell the same story....

Here are some more timetables...


(Not) All timetables (but some)
http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/All-Timetables-1-79313
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Post by Copodenieve on 06.06.18 8:07

@Verdi wrote:
@Copodenieve wrote:..... maybe people would be more inclined to participate in the forum if they were invited to help out a little.
I was rather hoping this thread might do just that. 


In all honesty, generally I don't think folk are interested in getting involved with 'the work' side of things, they would rather sit back and let someone else do all the work and just read. 


Your suggestion is good in principle but apart from the fact I doubt many members would be willing to actively participate, in fairness to admin/mods and members alike, they all have lives to lead outside CMoMM, so time is of the essence.

It's a lot to ask.


Still, worth a try if anyone's interested in kicking-off.
Thank you for answering Verde. I will kick off. If anyone wants to take me under their wing, I will take an assignment on. I just need to be instructed what to do and need some time. I work full time too and have lots of hobbies, but I will always find time for something as important as this case. :)
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Post by Copodenieve on 06.06.18 8:09

@Copodenieve wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@Copodenieve wrote:..... maybe people would be more inclined to participate in the forum if they were invited to help out a little.
I was rather hoping this thread might do just that. 


In all honesty, generally I don't think folk are interested in getting involved with 'the work' side of things, they would rather sit back and let someone else do all the work and just read. 


Your suggestion is good in principle but apart from the fact I doubt many members would be willing to actively participate, in fairness to admin/mods and members alike, they all have lives to lead outside CMoMM, so time is of the essence.

It's a lot to ask.


Still, worth a try if anyone's interested in kicking-off.
Thank you for answering Verde. I will kick off. If anyone wants to take me under their wing, I will take an assignment on. I just need to be instructed what to do and need some time. I work full time too and have lots of hobbies, but I will always find time for something as important as this case. :)
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Post by Jill Havern on 06.06.18 8:56

@Copodenieve wrote:I’ve learnt so much from this forum over the years I’ve been reading it, but it’s true that not much is happening a lately, except for the Horan saga, which I think you all handled brilliantly. Another one bites the dust!
This may sound like a stupid idea, but I’ll throw it on the table anyway; maybe people would be more inclined to participate in the forum if they were invited to help out a little. I’m sort of imagining a virtual class room where some of you more experienced researchers could propose certain assignments on different areas of the case and then discuss the completed research. It wouldn’t need to be public, it could be a private virtual room so that there is no risk of libel, and then if anything interesting transpires, those findings could be posted on the forum to be discussed openly.
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Hi Copodenieve, I like your idea of a private 'virtual classroom' and this can easily be arranged should you or any of our other members be interested in helping.

CMOMM already has several private research sections where we investigate various topics 'behind the scenes', without fear of being 'Carter-Rucked' again roll , before posting items of potential interest on the open forum.
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Post by Copodenieve on 06.06.18 19:43

@Jill Havern wrote:
@Copodenieve wrote:I’ve learnt so much from this forum over the years I’ve been reading it, but it’s true that not much is happening a lately, except for the Horan saga, which I think you all handled brilliantly. Another one bites the dust!
This may sound like a stupid idea, but I’ll throw it on the table anyway; maybe people would be more inclined to participate in the forum if they were invited to help out a little. I’m sort of imagining a virtual class room where some of you more experienced researchers could propose certain assignments on different areas of the case and then discuss the completed research. It wouldn’t need to be public, it could be a private virtual room so that there is no risk of libel, and then if anything interesting transpires, those findings could be posted on the forum to be discussed openly.
Teach us :)

Hi Copodenieve, I like your idea of a private 'virtual classroom' and this can easily be arranged should you or any of our other members be interested in helping.

CMOMM already has several private research sections where we investigate various topics 'behind the scenes', without fear of being 'Carter-Rucked' again roll , before posting items of potential interest on the open forum.
Yes, I'm on the team Jill.  I helped out with couple things with the guidance of CMOMM member and I'm still checking regularly to try and obtain more information.  smilie . I'm interested in being in the virtual classroom as a pupil. I promise to be a good girl  Mrs
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Post by Copodenieve on 06.06.18 19:50

Hideo I will help you if I can. Message me and let me know what you want me to do please.
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