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Post by willowthewisp on 27.05.18 16:12

Has the UK become a "Police state",a man who was on licence within the UK for speaking about the"Grooming Gangs" within the UK,was apparently arrested outside of Leeds Court building 26 May 2018 by the Police for " suspicion of Breaching his bail conditions and taken into Police custody.
This person was then sent immediately to Prison for 13 Months for breaking his "Bail conditions" with the MSM banned from reporting the conviction of Tommy Robinson,who was in breach of the Court conditions placed on him,but suspended for 18 months providing he(Tommy) acted within the law.
Mr Robinson was outside of Leeds Court,but not within the boundary of the Court,when accosting the accused persons on their Court appearance for"Grooming Girls" as young as eleven years of age.
The Police arrived and Seven Police Officers escorted Mr Robinson to the Police station,where the 13 Month sentence was imposed,with No mention made of the result of the individuals facing charges of grooming,made the news Paper Headlines?

I say this not as a supporter of Mr Robinson,but do we still have the right to "Free Expression! within the UK?

I am not stating it is right for any individual to reproduce images of a person before they have been committed or found guilty of any charges,innocent until proved guilty.

People have attended marches within "Hyde Park, London" where the UK Police have seen the"Union Jack" being held aloft and the Police very quickly approach the group to ascertain,why they are carrying a "Union Jack", "What is the purpose of the flag,are you Demonstrating against something,Have you sought permission to Demonstrate?

In the Very same park an individual was seen brandishing a very large whip thrashing it about against an opposing group of individuals,but No arrests were made or charges levied against any person for brandishing an offensive weapon in a public place,it wasn't a "Union Jack" being held aloft or an ISIS flag,clearly seen within the UK,that the Police do not take action against?

But the Police never apprehended or arrested any person for waving the Union Jack at a recently attended wedding venue did they,its the same Union Jack,Boys & Girls from the Blue black Uniforms,where these thousands of people holding a Demonstration?

What needs to be asked,was Mr Tommy Robinson being targeted by the Police for raising awareness of the individuals involved in the "Grooming Gangs" in Leeds?
In normal Court decisions any individual is brought before the Court and that person is allowed to defend themselves against any charges brought.
They have a right to an "Appeals Process" but Not apparently in this case against Mr Robinson,he was found Guilty as charged within the same day?

George Orwell's 1984 Police State,Big Brother is alive and very well supplied to assist the Government, "Keep the guilty ones out of the Court reports", No mention of the Leeds case of Grooming Gangs,they mustn't exist!
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Post by BlueBag on 27.05.18 16:28

I saw the full video he made outside the court and the arrest at the end of it.

He was not breaching the peace.

The Police acted disgracefully here and were obviously acting under orders.

They don't want anyone talking about the grooming gangs.

Did anyone see anything about the Leeds Court grooming case in the papers or on tv?

No.

Because there is now a media blackout on grooming gangs.

Tommy Robinson is a political prisoner.

I thought this was a free society with free speech?

Where are all "Je Suis Charlie" virtue signallers now?

Hypocrites.

I will be marching for free speech next weekend in Manchester (I think I heard).
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Post by willowthewisp on 27.05.18 16:38

Hi Bluebag,thanks for the reply,the UK is in a ridiculous state at the moment,where Million,billions of pounds can be summoned from the public purse to uphold Political elements,with billions being made available for Space Technology,yet the NHS and Policing of the Country are held to ransom by the same chancellor?
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Post by willowthewisp on 27.05.18 18:43

Was Mr Tommy Robinson targeted by the Police outside of the Leeds Court,bearing in mind, Mr Robinson was to hold a rally in Hyde Park, London on Monday 28 May 2018,on the Road Traffic Accident killing three teenage Boys on 26 January 2018,where the Driver of the car got a 13 year Jail term for killing of Three young Boys?

When you put the jailing of Two other prominent opponents(Paul Golding,Freya Fransen) who were not afraid to voice their opinions against sections within the UK Communities,it could be targeted by the state?
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Post by JP67 on 27.05.18 19:02

In the interests of public information, I would like to add the are several towns in Northern England that have had grooming gangs that most people have never heard of. Halifax is one of those towns, but don’t think it ever made the nationals. Only mentioned briefly locally, then swiftly moved on. There is currently a process of “white flight” occurring, it started off slowly and is gathering pace. It will be another Bradford in a few years, but BBC Look North recently told us we were all racist in the north.

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Post by aquila on 28.05.18 12:36

Dear JP, methinks you have been on this forum before. I am at a complete loss as to why you are pursuing conspiracy theories and using the forum to speak about freedom of speech using Tommy Robinson as a benchmark to invite/invoke/perhaps even to seduce other members to contribute to energetic nonsense thereby branding this forum and its members as nutjobs.
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Re: Free- Speech in the UK?

Post by BlueBag on 29.05.18 17:22

The reporting restriction on Tommy Robinson's prison sentence has been lifted.

Question: Why was it there in the first place?

Question: Why are there reporting restrictions on grooming gang court cases? (Which Robinson supposedly fell foul of).

This country is sick.
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Post by willowthewisp on 29.05.18 18:35

@BlueBag wrote:The reporting restriction on Tommy Robinson's prison sentence has been lifted.

Question: Why was it there in the first place?

Question: Why are there reporting restrictions on grooming gang court cases? (Which Robinson supposedly fell foul of).

This country is sick.
Hi BlueBag, I think the bad part is that Mr Robinson,aka Mr Lennon,knew as a journalist the parameters he could use on reporting the case at Leeds, he(Mr Lennon)then chose to put the Trail at Leeds at jeopardy by depicting images of person's who had Not been found guilty of any Offences by the Court Officials?

Which then brings into question,can anyone declare themselves a journalist or are they Not supposed to have met a certain level of criteria to show they understand the Teaching of journalism! 
This would then show they are an impartial representative to represent what a Court had decided on,on Official documented evidence produced before the Court as an "Honest" account of their actions taken on Criminal Act Procedures?

I think Mr Lennon could use the term committed against him to good use,by re-studying what he can and cannot report on?

If anyone cares to watch the Video of Good Morning,obnoxious, Piers Morgan,Tommy Robinson(Islam aphobia) would have come across a lot better if he showed a certain level of "Decorum" by then stating to Mr Morgan of how Mr Churchill had treated Mr Gandi and his people on Race grounds instead of just depicting what William Gladstone had wrote about, but there in lies the problem,the "Bull Dog Spirit" Euoligized,Political Correctness!

Yes these were in a time of the past where different levels of acceptability were applied as the "Norm" to Society,which is still held in high regard by certain elements within the UK.

If you don't believe this is so, look at the Objections to the placing of Mr Gandi's Statue in London,opposite, who?
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Re: Free- Speech in the UK?

Post by BlueBag on 29.05.18 21:20

@willowthewisp wrote:


I think Mr Lennon could use the term committed against him to good use,by re-studying what he can and cannot report on?
In a free society you can report on anything.

It keeps us all safe.

Who watches the watchers?

I think that is the whole point.

Viva Free Speech.

Free Tommy Robinson.
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Post by BlueBag on 29.05.18 21:34

Free Speech in the USA.... that's in the constitution.... it's a given.

Oh wait... BREAKING NEWS.... someone doesn't like Roseanne saying something somewhere and is offended.

I'm not joking... our freedom has been whittled away for years and there is not much stick left now.

Mao's Cultural Revolution in your face.
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Post by BlueBag on 29.05.18 21:39

People who disagree with authority.



People who agree.


What kind of world do we want?
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Post by BlueBag on 29.05.18 21:41

SJW.



Same old brown stuff... people will die... revolution... new boss doing the same as the old boss.

Actually... same boss behind the curtain at the top.
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Post by alanoakman on 29.05.18 22:06

Tommy Robinson arrested for " breach of the peace " while standing opposite Leeds Crown Court, talking on a mobile phone. I'm no particular supporter of Mr. Robinson, but it seems you can now get arrested for anything , if the " establishment " feels threatened in some way,

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Post by Amy Dean on 30.05.18 0:28

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Post by BlueBag on 30.05.18 7:23

The question is why have they blocked reporting on grooming gang cases?

All kinds of other cases get reported on... court artists impression and all that.

This needs to be challenged.
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Post by aquila on 30.05.18 10:36

I find Tommy Robinson the unacceptable face of freedom of speech, just as I find Sonia Poulton screeching mass murderer at Ian Duncan Smith.

There are ways of making a point - constitutional ways that require patience and dedication. CMoMM is a beacon to this. How many freedom of information requests have been submitted, rejected/fobbed off is a credit to the time, energy, experience and intellect of those who are prepared to work within the reasonable bounds afforded to citizens of UK.

Tony Bennett used all reasonable means without rabble rousing and ended up in court for contempt of court after having no financial means to challenge the initial charges agsinst him. That is a much more worriesome state of affairs with regards to freedom of speech whether you choose to agree or disagree with him.
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Post by BlueBag on 30.05.18 12:02

@aquila wrote:I find Tommy Robinson the unacceptable face of freedom of speech,
So you think shutting him up is justified?

Free speech is free speech.

Anything else leads to tyranny.
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Post by alanoakman on 30.05.18 13:08

Aquila, Whilst agreeing with you on what you say about the appalling way that Tony Bennett was treated and the good and patient work of members of CMoMM, I for one feel that however one might disagree with the opinions of Tommy Robinson,he has as much right to express them as anyone else ( as long as he does not go around shouting fire in crowded theatres ) In such ways peoples reputations either stand or fall. How else are we able to judge the opinions of others ? However in this Parliamentary Democracy we all have freedom of speech, only it seems some have more freedom than others.

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Post by aquila on 30.05.18 13:21

@BlueBag wrote:
@aquila wrote:I find Tommy Robinson the unacceptable face of freedom of speech,
So you think shutting him up is justified?

Free speech is free speech.

Anything else leads to tyranny.
I think he is a self seving idiot.
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Post by alanoakman on 30.05.18 13:30

He may well be an idiot, the question is : who is going to be the arbiter of which idiot is allowed to speak and which idiot should shut up ?

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Post by aquila on 30.05.18 13:40

@alanoakman wrote:He may well be an idiot, the question is : who is going to be the arbiter of which idiot is allowed to speak and which idiot should shut up ?
 Ask that old rogue Arthur Scargill about being a useful idiot
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Post by BlueBag on 30.05.18 13:51

@aquila wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:
@aquila wrote:I find Tommy Robinson the unacceptable face of freedom of speech,
So you think shutting him up is justified?

Free speech is free speech.

Anything else leads to tyranny.
I think he is a self seving idiot.
He clearly isn't.

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Post by willowthewisp on 30.05.18 17:04

@BlueBag wrote:
@aquila wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:
@aquila wrote:I find Tommy Robinson the unacceptable face of freedom of speech,
So you think shutting him up is justified?

Free speech is free speech.

Anything else leads to tyranny.
I think he is a self seving idiot.
He clearly isn't.

Hi BlueBag, I haven't watched the attached video,perhaps(Tommy) may perceive himself as to have been,"Hard Done By" in life as only he himself can explain how he feels about that content of his life?

Perhaps,he might not be the "cleverest person" in the world, per say,but he does understand the difference between right and wrong doing,as per his last run into the authorities to uphold the Laws of the Land!

As numerous people have stated,there is a vast difference to being "clever" and not being caught doing the naughty Law breaking activities,where bye you become more astute to how the Hoy Polloi mask themselves in obscurity,dealing behind the Deck,just like the "Politician's always have done,is this illegal?

What No one has answered is the Trail its self and why would (Tommy) jeopardise his "Freedom"to then have the alleged persecutors put their victims to more harrowing disclosure of evidence on any re-trail,let alone the costs to the Tax payer?
So was,Tommy being clever or had the state found themselves a very willing accomplace to stamp down on the "Unmasking of the Grooming Gangs" a new Police "Trojan Horse" method,it doesn't matter how we get in,as long as we get the right result in the process?

Will the UK Police use this "Method" to control the future reporting of "Grooming Gangs" Court appearances,to see Sparticus,I'm Tommy syndrome?

Note, the South Yorkshire Police failed to "Observe" 1400 young girls being groomed under their very noses,knowingly or unknowingly,whatever chosen script is chosen it clearly is a state of "Incompetence" that the UK Police Force does not recognise the Laws of the UK being broken for such a long time period,or as stated a very blind eye turned due to certain "Race claims " to be investigated,it is No excuse Not to investigate the allegations?

People are now stating Harvey Weinstein,"Metoo" carried out over Twenty to Thirty years period,Rape is Rape? 

To quite what these "Grooming Gangs" have done is just the same under the Law Rape,but what is very different is the "Grooming Gangs" carried out "Multiple rapes" to not just one person but Hundreds of Thousands of young girls,passed around like a commodity,but these are "Human Beings" a person's Daughter,Sister?

What is apparent is the complete breakdown of Morals in how people are treating one another on a daily basis in this "Dog eat Dog",scenario survival of the fittest Globablized World,as it has been practised for hundreds of years,what it doesn't do is state it is right or wrong before the Law of the land,it is proving your case?
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