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Post by sharonl on 01.09.20 11:46

@Silentscope wrote:

If all the kids were being cared for in one apartment, the carer couldn't really request 6 more cots or beds could they? It's makes sense that the others would order extra cots and place them in the one apt.

Sorry, I am not getting what you mean...do you mean that the one empty place setting at the Tapas table was fo a person designated to look after ALL the kids in one Apartment every night? 

OR  

the OC Arrivals Staff just dropped off three cots in 5A by mistake?

If Madeleine disappeared on the Sunday would the tapas 9 really risk leaving the remaining 8 children alone whilst they were out?

As we have one tapas member absent from the table each night, I would say that it makes sense to suggest that that person was caring for the children in one apartment as suggested by the investigation. Besides, there was no evidence of young children having spent much time in the McCanns apt.


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Post by Silentscope on 01.09.20 12:44

Yes, I get your explanation now, thank you for your patience.

I guess it depends what the investigation or the Tapas 7 thinks (or was told) what the cause of the disappearance was. 
If they were told Madeleine was Abducted on the weekend, or some other cause made them stick together the “Cover story” as a group.

There are many theories that all make sense depending on your point of view. 

I think only 2-4 people know which one is right.
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Post by Verdi on 01.09.20 14:54

@minder_1966 wrote:Sorry if the title comes across as clickbait! But I seriously believe i have a theory that I haven't heard yet but again, please forgive me if you have heard something similar already!

Yes, we have heard something similar before.  Indeed, the theory has been doing the rounds since Fred Flintstone invented the wheel but I have a 'sneeky' suspicion you already know that.  It was utter nonsense then, it is utter nonsense now - I'd go so far as to say it's an insult to the name Madeleine McCann and an insult to this forum.

Put aside your Enid Blyton compendium and come down to earth - have a good thorough read of this forum and the PJ files at the following link..

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/


That's as gentle as it gets.

Recently I came across a video over on YouTube.  A dubious gruff husky voice trying to instill the idea that Madeleine McCann was abducted by Jeffrey Epstein's partner in crime, Ghislaine Maxwell.  All because the author could see a remarkable resemblance between Maxwell and an e-fit.  I was so exasperated/disgusted I couldn't bring it here - not even for it's amusement value.

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Post by pauloalexandre on 01.09.20 15:10

goodpost

I don't want to be rude to the new member, but I don't understand why anyone, with little-to-no knowledge about the case, would register on a forum that spent more than a decade investigating the disappearance, and proclaim that "they solved the case", bringing a baseless (and frankly ludicrous) theory into the mix.

I'm sorry, it's just insulting to the hard-working people who devoted their time and effort to make the Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann a success.

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Post by Silentscope on 01.09.20 15:25

I would put another possibility in the mix if I may?

The reason that all these Photofits look like people we NOW all know to be Pedofiles.

Is that from the time of the disappearance everything seemed to be Pedo connected and these Faces would have been known AT THAT TIME to insiders? It was at the Forefront of their minds, not Kidnap for Ransom or Coercion to do something for the Kidnappers.

It fits with all the other “source matierial” adapted for later use by the Tapas crew.

Apologies in advance if this seems “ludicrous”
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Post by Verdi on 01.09.20 15:44

The requests and placement of cots and the apartment 5a cleaner's witness statement, have been discussed extensively here on CMOMM in the past.  I've tried to locate the link, without success.

I don't see how the cots have any significant bearing on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  The McCann version of events, along with their group of friends, is sacrosanct in so far as there are no credible witnesses to contest the McCann story.  Not to say all the witnesses were economic with the truth, they are just bystanders answering questions posed by the official police force.

Take the cleaner's witness statement as an example, as some people put so much emphasis on the cot said to be in the middle of the bedroom occupied by the McCanns themselves.  For a start the interview record is not taken verbatim which has a significant effect on interpretation.  I've been through all this before having looked more closely at the Portuguese documentation compared to the formatting and wording of the translation. can't remember the detail off-hand, which is why I tried to locate the link.

Look at this particular extract from the witness statement translation..

The room gives onto an outdoor garden by means of a terrace, as it is on the ground floor,

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?

See how matters can be so easily misconstrued?

NB:  Please don't comment on the state of the shrubbery - I don't know when these photographs were taken.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14767p325-documented-evidence#425229

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Post by Silentscope on 01.09.20 15:58

@Verdi

I was only researching the possibility of the following :

1. To keep Maddie from straying she was put in a Cot.

2. This may explain why no trace of her was in the Bed.

I get the misconstruction or mis - translational aspect.
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Post by Silentscope on 01.09.20 16:10

I just want to let you know I have read this through.

I wonder if the Twins were in the Cot in the Parents room, and Maddie was in the Cot alone in the other room? Maybe the Twins did not sleep well when separated. (They spent 9 months together in the Womb.)
As I mentioned about the Photos, Maddy always seems to be positioned at a point furthest from a Parent, or with someone in between her and a Parent.

It may not be Evidence - but I think it indicates distancing.

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I have moved this post of yours and the following from the Documented Evidence thread.  It is more baseless speculatilon, therefore does not belong on the thread you selected.

This particular thread 'Unorthodox Theorizing' is self explanatory.  It was initiated 'as the place to go' for far-out theorizing with little or no foundation, in order to keep the rest of the forum free of unfounded distraction and unwanted diversion.

Having said that, don't be at all surprised if members challenge what's written here.

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Post by Silentscope on 01.09.20 16:25

The Apartment Cleaners can be seen on the following link for any new Members. The comments from the Algarve residents are also not to be overlooked. Subtitles in English and Portuguese. 


@"https://youtu.be/7pUKiuugYUI"
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Post by Lance De Boils on 01.09.20 16:50

At risk of covering old ground: people telling lies do so much more easily if they are using 'a version of the truth,' describing a person, or switching days. Much easier if someone has a real memory to rely on.

I have an inkling that the Gerry, Jane and Jez encounter/s were intentionally date-switched. Some similar events happened much earlier than they said.

Just a thought. One of a few
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Post by Silentscope on 01.09.20 17:26

According to Gerrys bedtime reading matierial, “if Truth, like Buildings can be Constructed” then a real Architect must be able to tell:

1. From which Factory the Bricks used are coming from.
2. From which Plan or Style the FAKE House was made or designed.

Or not?
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Post by Lance De Boils on 01.09.20 23:59

Just going over old stuff, (but I can't locate the thread,) 2 questions:

What evidence do we have that Maddie was ever in 5A? Who occupied the flat next door? Didn't the dogs bark there? (middle aged memory.)
What evidence do we have that the the McCanns ever stayed in 5A at all?
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Post by Verdi on 02.09.20 0:03

The Ocean Club and Mark Warners documented records and of course the PJ investigation and crime scene photographs.

I see no reason to doubt the McCann family stayed in apartment 5a.

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Post by sandancer on 02.09.20 12:06

@Lance De Boils wrote:Just going over old stuff, (but I can't locate the thread,) 2 questions:

What evidence do we have that Maddie was ever in 5A? Who occupied the flat next door? Didn't the dogs bark there? (middle aged memory.)
What evidence do we have that the the McCanns ever stayed in 5A at all?

Apartment 5b next door was the Oldfield family , 5c was empty , 5d Tanner/O'Brien , 5h upstairs the Paynes .
Regarding the dogs barking , if you mean Eddie and Keela the only apartment they alerted to was the McCanns 5a .

It's not , was Maddie ever in 5a , it's how long was she there for ? Until the night of May 3 , or earlier in the week that Is  the big question ?

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Post by Silentscope on 02.09.20 13:21

Every theory has its own different associated time frames Lance.

The biggest question for me is not was she ever there, but why did she have to be “Abducted without trace”?

Why must anyone who disagrees with their version of events be sued, discredited or intimidated? 

Why MUST Brückner be made to look guilty at all cost?
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Post by Lance De Boils on 02.09.20 13:56

5A just doesn't look like an apartment which a family of 2 adults and 3 minors had been occupied for that length of time. The photographs look to me like a recent dumping of holiday stuff from 1 apt to another.
Strangely (probably mistaken) that there was another apt the dogs alerted at?
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Post by Lance De Boils on 02.09.20 13:58

The floor would be covered with sand apart from anything. If you have beach holidays, you'd know that sand gets everywhere!
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Post by Verdi on 02.09.20 14:37

@Lance De Boils wrote:The floor would be covered with sand apart from anything. If you have beach holidays, you'd know that sand gets everywhere!

It wasn't a beach holiday.

With the greatest respect Lance de Boils, do you actually know anything about this case at all, or do you just come here to make random encrypted comments for effect?

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Post by Lance De Boils on 03.09.20 19:58

Ok Verdi. I've been absent for years but came back after "news."
I have forgotten a lot and I'm short of time.
From all the digs it's clear that my presence here is not wanted.
So I obviously need to just leave full stop, or to carrying on trying to update myself. Which would you prefer?
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