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Post by Verdi on 09.12.18 12:45

Hope springs eternal Imari, hope springs eternal.

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Post by willowthewisp on 10.12.18 16:06

Perhaps Portugal Detective Mr Goncalo Amaral had concluded that an "Accident" had befallen Madeleine McCann and the consequences enacted upon were not the best outcome after all-Cover Up to evade being unmasked?

The "One Common Factor"stipulated by specific person's is"Paedophiles"?

Look closely at all of the connectors pointing to this scenario?

CEOP-Big jim Gamble!
Metropolitan Police,Gold Group,Leicestershire Police-Interpol all concluded No Evidence of Paedophile Gang!
UK Government,Non Prosecutions of elites in Society?
Gasper Statements?
First Arquido?
Cohorts who helped Family, Clarence Mitchell,links to "Paedophilia activities",Max Clifford,Pop DJ's?
Marc Dutroui?
EU Diplomats?
Links to Football Clubs?

Perhaps the use of "Paedophiles",was thought the safest method to utilise in a child disappearance,Bogey Man,now to Madeleine wandering out of Apartment?
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Post by alan2000 on 15.12.18 18:39

First post after lurking for a long time

Having had personal experience of this in my own family circle I am aware of how 'doctors' view the human body and how death can lead to life through the transplant of vital organs

If Maddie did die in an accident then her vital organs eg lungs could be used in a life saving operation perhaps for a VIP's child and this may explain the cover up

It would mean moving fast and high level pulling of strings 

Just an idea but without naming names you will find certain important people with power around that time with sick children

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Post by alan2000 on 15.12.18 22:11

good that this is moved to 'unorthodox theorizing'

here's a more concrete link

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/nov/30/uk.health
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Post by alan2000 on 29.12.18 19:28

a classic ploy to discredit witnesses is link them with pedophilia( or other deviant sexual practices) - its the most damming of accusations and has been rife in this case

it effectively neutralizes anything they say or about to say - very effective and the public tend to lap it up readily 

you can see this in the media coverage of Murat( really over the top - a cat?) , Malinka, Shrimpton, and Payne ( also Gerry?)

an obvious pattern really,used in desperation to cover up intelligence failures whether willful or otherwise

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Post by Verdi on 29.12.18 20:29

@alan2000 wrote:a classic ploy to discredit witnesses is link them with pedophilia( or other deviant sexual practices) - its the most damming of accusations and has been rife in this case

it effectively neutralizes anything they say or about to say - very effective and the public tend to lap it up readily 

you can see this in the media coverage of Murat( really over the top - a cat?) , Malinka, Shrimpton, and Payne ( also Gerry?)

an obvious pattern really,used in desperation to cover up intelligence failures whether willful or otherwise
What are you talking about dontgetit?

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Post by CaKeLoveR on 29.12.18 20:47

Indeed, what did any of that mean?
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Post by alan2000 on 29.12.18 21:12

im sorry it was a bit brief- when you look at the case its saturated with allegations of pedophilia , deviant sexual practices even swinging etc

to me this is evidence of decoy misinformation to discredit witnesses and effectively render anything they say as not credible or more ominously a shot over the bows to cripple them if they are in any way complicit and think of going public

the two important expressions to me are- gerry- ' im not ......ing here to enjoy myself' and murat - biggest '...ck up' suggest the idea of an operation gone wrong and a subsequent cover up at the highest level
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Post by alan2000 on 29.12.18 22:00

what is this operation?

1. a sting to ensnare a VIP with subsequent blackmail opportunities. note make up photos

2. to test out new drugs on children ( big pharma) - all are doctors and could be conducted abroad- note twins slept right through? Maddie however died. This would account for all of them supporting each other

3. random - she was really targeted by a pedophile ring but intelligence failings lead to cover up which would betray awkward domestic connections

why can no one speak- they have either been muted by pedophilia /deviant sexual practices associations or are complicit from the start
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Post by Verdi on 29.12.18 23:24

OK so .... what are you talking about and what, if anything, has this to do with the McCanns 2018 Christmas message?

Keep it brief.

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Post by CaKeLoveR on 30.12.18 11:56

There were no witnesses, though. Nobody knew anything. Not one of them
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Post by willowthewisp on 30.12.18 16:57

@CaKeLoveR wrote:There were no witnesses, though. Nobody knew anything. Not one of them
Just like South Yorkshire Police claimed,"Totally unaware of Grooming Gangs 1400 young vulnerable girls,"now exposed as liars by Mr Andy Norfolk,Times Reporter,whose stories the Police tried their best to prevent being printed,another Cover Up exposed to UK Police competence or malpractice!
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Post by alan2000 on 31.12.18 19:13

As a relatively new member of this forum and having a couple of posts deleted to date which may appear a bit off base I like the rest of you am puzzled by how such an incoherent and contradictory testimony of witnesses continues to be unactionable and not subject to any official interrogation

I have already pointed out how key and potentially dangerous witnesses have been neutralized by pedophile associations or other deviant sex practices- this is standard ploy to discredit them and render statements they may make as incredulous because they have been part of the planning

The tapas 9 statements are deliberately incoherent and designed not to make sense - they are 'mirrors reflecting mirrors' to coin an expression used by a senior USA intelligence official in his assessment of the information coming out out of the Soviet Union in the cold war which is designed to confuse and misdirect.

Hence this forum chasing its tale for so long without getting anywhere

But why?

There's nothing like a good tale of predatory pedophiles to occupy the consciousness of the British Public. There's also nothing better than a sub-conspiracy based on the awful apparent evidence to implicate the parents to provide a theoretical narrative to even further distract

Why do they need distracted?

Check the news around this time- ill not provide a reference at this time

There never was an abduction - we all know that and  the contradictory  testimony of witnesses - Mcanns, Paynes, Murat, Smith , Gaspar, Fenn, etc is DELIBERATE to keep you DISTRACTED

ps even so called 'poor Goncalo' may be part of it

and indeed unfortunately despite all the good work of the independent researchers here the forum may ultimately itself be a distraction medium- SORRY

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Post by Verdi on 31.12.18 20:40

Your posts haven't been deleted alan2000, they were moved here..

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t15192p100-unorthodox-theorizing#394552

If in doubt about your posts, firstly look at the 'most recent topics' widget for your name at the right side (your right) of the homepage or, failing that, check out your profile posting history.

I will also move this latest post of yours over to the 'Unorthodox Theorizing' thread after a short while - after you've had time to read this.

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Post by alan2000 on 31.12.18 20:51

many thanks verdi i appreciate your 'open mind' still struggling

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Post by alan2000 on 31.12.18 21:15

@alan2000 wrote:many thanks verdi i appreciate your 'open mind' still struggling

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Post by alan2000 on 02.01.19 19:29

the make up photo brings to mind for me the sort of photo you would send to the parents if you had kidnapped their child and wanted a response

its bland in background- cant be located although seems local, provocative and suggestive- Maddie looks drugged and unhappy

as a parent myself it would drive me nuts- here I am a sex object- please pay up asap otherwise

ive been speculating a lot on here lately - biggest' ...ck up' could have been a rescue op gone wrong 

mi5 already in the news on 7/7 , government transition, policing failure, parental neglect all a heady mix.

The first thing kidnappers usually demand is no police , press black out etc and this could have happened early in the holiday- murat a local go between 


And everyone would be sworn to secrecy to protect Maddy- except it went wrong and she was killed. 

Govt bought everyone off and continues to do so

Fake abduction perpetuated to distract and mislead

its a standoff between 2 groups of liars- mcanns and the govt- the photo a little reminder that the former are in still in possession of damning evidence should the latter turn on them ( which they did and then relaxed the screws)
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Post by alan2000 on 02.01.19 23:15

After trawling the forums and reviewing all the information like most of you I am bambazooled!!

A tangled web of mis-direction and distraction on so many levels

One man or one man and his wife have controlled all this - you must be joking!

Have you seen Gerry being interviewed?- can you honestly see Gerry as an arch conspirator/planner/criminal?

Have you analysed his or Kate's statements/body language?

They are Puppets and Muppets

The sheer complexity and organization of the criminal  events alleged between 29/4/07 and 3/5/07 which has defeated every sleuth on the forum to unravel can only point to a higher level of authority or power directing same

Sometimes I worry that the McCann bashing ( and of course one may argue that they deserve if for all sorts of different reasons) is deliberately contrived to obscure a more secretive motive or agenda here and whilst I do respect the Police and security forces in general there does appear to be a vested interest in continuing to appear to be investigating a crime to keep options open. 

The resources needed to coin an expression of Robert Redford's in 'Spy game' to 'keep track of it all' are massive and can only be government sponsored

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Post by Verdi on 02.01.19 23:50

How clever are you alan2000 - are you trying to be funny?  If so, I'm not amused, we've been this way before I feel.

Take this as a warning alan2000, clean up your act or you will no longer be welcome on CMoMM. 

The choice is yours. 

I will leave this latest garbled message of yours here to give you the opportunity to read the warning - before moving it to garbage.

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Post by alan2000 on 05.01.19 22:05

@verdi- thank you for keeping this post alive at least for a few days!!

i noted a recent post on another thread reference early diplomatic support for the Mccanns which was characterized as unprecedented and quite unusual 

Why could this be?

The involvement of the apparatus of the UK Government in this early and latter stages ( though the perpetuation of police investigation) is the key to unravel this mystery big grin
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Post by alan2000 on 05.01.19 22:50

i just happened to be looking into the labour party in scotland and came up with the following interesting characters:

robin cook - anti the iraq war died from a heart attack while hiking in the mountains

john smith died of a heart attack - back in 1994- only 55

george galloway( ex labour party) interestingly still alive but anti iraq  and was in big trouble around may 2007- big pain in the ass for Tony

he has/had a villa in burgau and reported break ins in earlier years and his papers stolen

of course there was other trouble afoot in may 2007:

The 2007 Scottish Parliament election was held on Thursday 3 May 2007 to elect members to the Scottish Parliament. It was the third general election[1] to the devolved Scottish Parliament since it was created in 1999. Local elections in Scotland fell on the same day.
The Scottish National Party emerged as the largest party with 47 seats- this was a massive constitutional swing in politics diluting the 'UK' and the power base of the monarchy

ive also already referred to the 7/7 report earlier in that week

 a heady mix indeed!!!

further elaborations to follow big grin
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Post by AlexBG on 26.01.19 23:31

Some more examples here:
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Post by Verdi on 26.01.19 23:48

Shear unadulterated nonsense.

Topic moved to where it belongs should members wish to discuss.

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Post by AlexBG on 30.01.19 0:03

@Verdi wrote:Shear unadulterated nonsense.

Topic moved to where it belongs should members wish to discuss.
You may be right, but I don't see why it can't be discussed in its own topic thread.

Having looked into this a bit, I do wonder if there might actually be something in it.
David Oates (who claims to have discovered "reverse speech") has hundreds of examples.
The CIA have also investigated it, according to recently declassified documents.

Did you watch the full video? Some of them sound pretty clear to me.
If the phenomenon is real, some major missing pieces of the puzzle are filled in.

There's also an hour-long radio show here with more alleged "reversals" on the case:
http://reversespeech.s3.amazonaws.com/audio/doradioshows/djoradiohr2051818.mp3

I particularly like the one on Jane Tanner at 29:20.
Forwards: "If you ask nine people about um events of a night, you're probably gonna get nine slightly different stories and you're not clock watching, you're not, y'know, we were having.. having a meal, you're not..."
Backwards: "The yarn of seven is private".
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Post by Verdi on 30.01.19 0:22

@AlexBG wrote:You may be right, but I don't see why it can't be discussed in its own topic thread.

Indeed, you are welcome to discuss the subject.

If it proves to warrant it's own special place on the forum then it can be discussed right here where it belongs thumbsup ..

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