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Post by suzyjohnson on 15.05.18 14:38

@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Since Dr Totman works at the Government's secret Porton Down facility, is he a low level member of the secret services? And if so, did his bosses tell him to make this statement?

How would drawing attention to himself, where he has worked or who he might work for be of any help (to any of them) whatsoever?

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Post by Jill Havern on 15.05.18 14:41

Didn't Totman and his fellow worker at Porton Down, Paul Weinberger, travel together to Praia da Luz and have apartments three doors down from Gerry McCann on that holiday?

It'll be funny if he comes forward as Smithman, having also kept his clothes and the child's pyjamas all this time titter
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Post by BlueBag on 15.05.18 15:44

@suzyjohnson wrote:
@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Since Dr Totman works at the Government's secret Porton Down facility, is he a low level member of the secret services? And if so, did his bosses tell him to make this statement?

How would drawing attention to himself, where he has worked or who he might work for be of any help (to any of them) whatsoever?
Where was his witness statement from 2007?

Did he miss Tannerman in the papers?
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Post by suzyjohnson on 15.05.18 19:54

@BlueBag wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:
@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Since Dr Totman works at the Government's secret Porton Down facility, is he a low level member of the secret services? And if so, did his bosses tell him to make this statement?

How would drawing attention to himself, where he has worked or who he might work for be of any help (to any of them) whatsoever?
Where was his witness statement from 2007?

Did he miss Tannerman in the papers?

It's not just the newspapers though is it? What about the Find Madeleine website? He was in PdL, playing tennis with fellow doctor Gerry McCann just a couple of hours before his daughter disappeared. If that had been me I would take quite a close interest in the case. Yet he's never contacted the McCanns to say that he thought he might have been Tannerman?

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Post by sallypelt on 15.05.18 20:07

@Jill Havern wrote:Didn't Totman and his fellow worker at Porton Down, Paul Weinberger, travel together to Praia da Luz and have apartments three doors down from Gerry McCann on that holiday?

It'll be funny if he comes forward as Smithman, having also kept his clothes and the child's pyjamas all this time titter
Whenever I hear the words "Porton Down" it sends shivers down my spine. Is the above Paul Weinberger the same person, who it is claimed, was a director  of a company called Diasolve Ltd at 7-7c Snuff Street, Devizes, Wiltshire?

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Post by Marco on 15.05.18 21:21

It may be that there's "noooo eveeedence" that Madeleine died as Mr McCann has so often purported, but where is the evidence that she was abducted? They only had Tanner's story to hold this up. If this doesn't work, the opportunity for an abductor is infinitesimally small. Rich Hall was right in mistrusting Grange, as is Tony Bennett in homing in on this one. It doesnt prove anything but it completely demolishes the ONLY plausible story the McCann's were able to come up with. This surely is good news for us truth seekers staring us in the face?
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Post by NickE on 15.05.18 22:02

@sallypelt wrote:
@Jill Havern wrote:Didn't Totman and his fellow worker at Porton Down, Paul Weinberger, travel together to Praia da Luz and have apartments three doors down from Gerry McCann on that holiday?

It'll be funny if he comes forward as Smithman, having also kept his clothes and the child's pyjamas all this time titter
Whenever I hear the words "Porton Down" it sends shivers down my spine. Is the above Paul Weinberger the same person, who it is claimed, was a director  of a company called Diasolve Ltd at 7-7c Snuff Street, Devizes, Wiltshire?
Yes, that's him I believe.
Imo, we should look into more in detail what professions the OC guests had.
We have medicals from Porton Down and a bunch of Doctors/medical experts and there's also people from the pharma company Pfizer on the guest list.
Have a strong feeling that this was not a co-incidence.

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Post by sallypelt on 15.05.18 22:08

I can vaguely remember Paul J Weinberger being mentioned on this forum a while back. I found this bit of information about him, interesting. I don't know how accurate it is, but I will post it as a reminder what has been said about his past employment:

Paul Weinberger is currently the Chief Executive Officer of Diasolve Ltd, which makes a variety of medical devices. Both he and his wife are its sole Directors: https://companycheck.co.uk/…/DIASOLVE…/directors-secretaries
Even more significant, he is a standing member of NICE - the National Institute for Clinical Excellence - and sits on their Diagnostics Advisory Committee. And he was former Chairman of BIVDA - the ‘British In Vitro Diagnostics Association’, and is still on its committee.

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Post by NickE on 15.05.18 22:44

@sallypelt wrote:I can vaguely remember Paul J Weinberger being mentioned on this forum a while back. I found this bit of information about him, interesting. I don't know how accurate it is, but I will post it as a reminder what has been said about his past employment:

[size=45]Paul Weinberger is currently the Chief Executive Officer of Diasolve Ltd, which makes a variety of medical devices. Both he and his wife are its sole Directors: https://companycheck.co.uk/…/DIASOLVE…/directors-secretaries[/size]
[size=45]Even more significant, he is a standing member of NICE - the National Institute for Clinical Excellence - and sits on their Diagnostics Advisory Committee. And he was former Chairman of BIVDA - the ‘British In Vitro Diagnostics Association’, and is still on its committee.[/size]
He departed from Faro enroute to Belfast 
to attend the opening of the new offices of BIVDA and appointment of it's new President in Belfast on 15/16 May 2007.

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Post by Verdi on 15.05.18 22:49

Mark Warner Holidays 2018

Adult holidays

A Mark Warner holiday is not all about families, over 40% of our guests travel either in a group, as a couple or solo. Hit the beach and try your hand at windsurfing and sailing while taking advantage of our free tuition. Get stuck in with the social tennis or mix with fellow guests around the bar or over supper on a big group table. 

In the winter all of our chalet hotels have large bar and lounge areas plus restaurants with big tables so guests can choose to eat together in the evening.


Summer holidays for adults


There are plenty of activities to get involved with on our adult friendly holidays from an array of watersports to cycling, tennis and fitness. Plus we host social BBQs and dinners every week and the hotel bars are always social and a great place to catch up with fellow guests after a hard day on the beach.

In some of our beach resorts there are certain areas that are exclusively for the use of adults, including separate family and adult beaches and swimming pools.

Vist our adult sun holidays page to find out more.


Exclusive Club Mark Warner weeks


Come and experience our adult-friendly Club Mark Warner weeks. Created for adults these weeks bring like-minded individuals together to enjoy sporting activities during the day and social dinners in the evening. There's always a little competition along the way for these keen to compete and if that's not your thing, simply sit back and be entertained.

Adult friendly ski and snowboard holidays


You are guaranteed an adult atmosphere with lively après ski at our Chalet Hotels Rosanna in St Anton which is adult-only outside school holidays.

Vist our adult ski holidays page to find out more.

https://www.markwarner.co.uk/adult-holidays

Adult friendly sun holidays

Our holidays are just as popular for solo travellers, couples and groups of friends, as they are with families. Hit the beach and learn or improve your sailing or windsurfing skills. Tackle the hills with one of our guided tours, have a knock about on the courts or simply lie back and unwind by one of the adult only pools.

All our resorts have an adult atmosphere outside school holidays while any pre-schoolers are often tucked away in their exclusive clubs. And let’s not forget that mums and dads love the adult atmosphere as much as those without children. There truly is something for everyone.


Social time


The numerous activities on offer allow plenty of time to meet new friends and enjoy team sports. Take part in a game of volleyball, be brave and join an energetic session of water polo, or pop along to one of the many fitness classes arranged by our activity team. We host social dinners to help you get to know fellow guests and our bars are the perfect spot to catch up on the day and join in fun evening entertainments

Rooms without a single supplement


San Lucianu Beach Resort (off-peak dates) and our Club Mark Warner weeks offer a limited selection of twin rooms with no
single supplements.
.........

The Ocean Club guest list for the period the McCanns and their friends were staying there, has been discussed over and over again in the past to the ninth degree.  Nothing concrete was ever deduced, only supposition.

I doubt there is anything sinister about like minded folk heading for the same type of holiday resort.  It's generally a grape-vine link, much like you will find gays hear a destination is 'gay friendly' so they flock there like birds of a feather.  More so these days with the internet as a handy source of research.

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Post by Basil with a brush on 15.05.18 23:21

@Verdi wrote:Mark Warner Holidays 2018

Adult holidays

A Mark Warner holiday is not all about families, over 40% of our guests travel either in a group, as a couple or solo. Hit the beach and try your hand at windsurfing and sailing while taking advantage of our free tuition. Get stuck in with the social tennis or mix with fellow guests around the bar or over supper on a big group table. 

In the winter all of our chalet hotels have large bar and lounge areas plus restaurants with big tables so guests can choose to eat together in the evening.


Summer holidays for adults






There are plenty of activities to get involved with on our adult friendly holidays from an array of watersports to cycling, tennis and fitness. Plus we host social BBQs and dinners every week and the hotel bars are always social and a great place to catch up with fellow guests after a hard day on the beach.

In some of our beach resorts there are certain areas that are exclusively for the use of adults, including separate family and adult beaches and swimming pools.

Vist our adult sun holidays page to find out more.


Exclusive Club Mark Warner weeks






Come and experience our adult-friendly Club Mark Warner weeks. Created for adults these weeks bring like-minded individuals together to enjoy sporting activities during the day and social dinners in the evening. There's always a little competition along the way for these keen to compete and if that's not your thing, simply sit back and be entertained.

Adult friendly ski and snowboard holidays






You are guaranteed an adult atmosphere with lively après ski at our Chalet Hotels Rosanna in St Anton which is adult-only outside school holidays.

Vist our adult ski holidays page to find out more.

https://www.markwarner.co.uk/adult-holidays

Adult friendly sun holidays

Our holidays are just as popular for solo travellers, couples and groups of friends, as they are with families. Hit the beach and learn or improve your sailing or windsurfing skills. Tackle the hills with one of our guided tours, have a knock about on the courts or simply lie back and unwind by one of the adult only pools.

All our resorts have an adult atmosphere outside school holidays while any pre-schoolers are often tucked away in their exclusive clubs. And let’s not forget that mums and dads love the adult atmosphere as much as those without children. There truly is something for everyone.


Social time






The numerous activities on offer allow plenty of time to meet new friends and enjoy team sports. Take part in a game of volleyball, be brave and join an energetic session of water polo, or pop along to one of the many fitness classes arranged by our activity team. We host social dinners to help you get to know fellow guests and our bars are the perfect spot to catch up on the day and join in fun evening entertainments

Rooms without a single supplement






San Lucianu Beach Resort (off-peak dates) and our Club Mark Warner weeks offer a limited selection of twin rooms with no
single supplements.
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The Ocean Club guest list for the period the McCanns and their friends were staying there, has been discussed over and over again in the past to the ninth degree.  Nothing concrete was ever deduced, only supposition.

I doubt there is anything sinister about like minded folk heading for the same type of holiday resort.  It's generally a grape-vine link, much like you will find gays hear a destination is 'gay friendly' so they flock there like birds of a feather.  More so these days with the internet as a handy source of research.

Wonder how many sets of keys come with each apartment.

Spooky adds. Sounds a god awful place to holiday, and I thought I was quite open minded.

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Post by Verdi on 16.05.18 0:34

@Basil with a brush wrote:Wonder how many sets of keys come with each apartment.

Spooky adds. Sounds a god awful place to holiday, and I thought I was quite open minded.

You can see what inspired the Textusa sisterhood into the 'swinging' obsession can't you?

All that's missing is Sir Cliff 'Kitty' Richard and his magic bus   big grin.

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Post by Basil with a brush on 16.05.18 2:48

@Verdi wrote:
@Basil with a brush wrote:Wonder how many sets of keys come with each apartment.

Spooky adds. Sounds a god awful place to holiday, and I thought I was quite open minded.

You can see what inspired the Textusa sisterhood into the 'swinging' obsession can't you?

All that's missing is Sir Cliff 'Kitty' Richard and his magic bus   big grin.


I'm not really up to speed with the said 'Textusa' theories Verdi. I get your drift though. I don't see a problem with people choosing to engage in such activities in their private lives. Long as they keep it private and among the adults. Just because it's not for me thank you....eeeew! I can hear myself being called old fashioned again winkwink

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Post by NickE on 16.05.18 9:10

@Verdi wrote:Mark Warner Holidays 2018

Adult holidays

A Mark Warner holiday is not all about families, over 40% of our guests travel either in a group, as a couple or solo. Hit the beach and try your hand at windsurfing and sailing while taking advantage of our free tuition. Get stuck in with the social tennis or mix with fellow guests around the bar or over supper on a big group table. 

In the winter all of our chalet hotels have large bar and lounge areas plus restaurants with big tables so guests can choose to eat together in the evening.


Summer holidays for adults[size=33]
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There are plenty of activities to get involved with on our adult friendly holidays from an array of watersports to cycling, tennis and fitness. Plus we host social BBQs and dinners every week and the hotel bars are always social and a great place to catch up with fellow guests after a hard day on the beach.

In some of our beach resorts there are certain areas that are exclusively for the use of adults, including separate family and adult beaches and swimming pools.

Vist our adult sun holidays page to find out more.


Exclusive Club Mark Warner weeks



Come and experience our adult-friendly Club Mark Warner weeks. Created for adults these weeks bring like-minded individuals together to enjoy sporting activities during the day and social dinners in the evening. There's always a little competition along the way for these keen to compete and if that's not your thing, simply sit back and be entertained.

Adult friendly ski and snowboard holidays



You are guaranteed an adult atmosphere with lively après ski at our Chalet Hotels Rosanna in St Anton which is adult-only outside school holidays.

Vist our adult ski holidays page to find out more.

https://www.markwarner.co.uk/adult-holidays

Adult friendly sun holidays

Our holidays are just as popular for solo travellers, couples and groups of friends, as they are with families. Hit the beach and learn or improve your sailing or windsurfing skills. Tackle the hills with one of our guided tours, have a knock about on the courts or simply lie back and unwind by one of the adult only pools.

All our resorts have an adult atmosphere outside school holidays while any pre-schoolers are often tucked away in their exclusive clubs. And let’s not forget that mums and dads love the adult atmosphere as much as those without children. There truly is something for everyone.


Social time



The numerous activities on offer allow plenty of time to meet new friends and enjoy team sports. Take part in a game of volleyball, be brave and join an energetic session of water polo, or pop along to one of the many fitness classes arranged by our activity team. We host social dinners to help you get to know fellow guests and our bars are the perfect spot to catch up on the day and join in fun evening entertainments

Rooms without a single supplement



San Lucianu Beach Resort (off-peak dates) and our Club Mark Warner weeks offer a limited selection of twin rooms with no
single supplements.
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The Ocean Club guest list for the period the McCanns and their friends were staying there, has been discussed over and over again in the past to the ninth degree.  Nothing concrete was ever deduced, only supposition.

I doubt there is anything sinister about like minded folk heading for the same type of holiday resort.  It's generally a grape-vine link, much like you will find gays hear a destination is 'gay friendly' so they flock there like birds of a feather.  More so these days with the internet as a handy source of research.
Yes, it has been discussed over the years and I believe a further discussion and research is needed because this is the only confirmed red line we have and we knows what people and resources they sent down to pdl immidiately and it was not because of some swinging party.

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Post by willowthewisp on 16.05.18 10:05

@Verdi wrote:
@Basil with a brush wrote:Wonder how many sets of keys come with each apartment.

Spooky adds. Sounds a god awful place to holiday, and I thought I was quite open minded.

You can see what inspired the Textusa sisterhood into the 'swinging' obsession can't you?

All that's missing is Sir Cliff 'Kitty' Richard and his magic bus   big grin.
Hi Verdi,they could have been on the"Magical Mystery tour",did cliff's Red Bus go past Elm Guest House,where Zack is now claimed to live at?
Seriously,would anyone claim to live in a house with a very"Tainted past History",they(Council) even knocked down Fred and Rose's Home,yet Zack claims to Live where, i would hazard a guess someone just pays the council tax bills etc,possibly to keep a lid tightly screwed down,so to say!
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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 16.05.18 17:09

@BlueBag wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:
@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Since Dr Totman works at the Government's secret Porton Down facility, is he a low level member of the secret services? And if so, did his bosses tell him to make this statement?

How would drawing attention to himself, where he has worked or who he might work for be of any help (to any of them) whatsoever?
Where was his witness statement from 2007?

Did he miss Tannerman in the papers?
Precisely

There needs an explanation. Either he's been a troglodyte for 11 years, he's a gullible patsy in danger of perverting the course of justice or for some bizarre reason - blind friendship or job - he's agreed to put his face in the frame. Which one is it? I though the final explanation might be the best reason.
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Post by Verdi on 16.05.18 17:16

@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Precisely

There needs an explanation. Either he's been a troglodyte for 11 years, he's a gullible patsy in danger of perverting the course of justice or for some bizarre reason - blind friendship or job - he's agreed to put his face in the frame. Which one is it? I though the final explanation might be the best reason.

Could be money - every man has his price.

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Post by Marco on 16.05.18 21:33

I've read that Totman told his story to the police in May 2007 and heard nothing more. Do we know which police? If Portuguese then why isn't his statement in the files, and if he made it to the british police did they "lose" it for a while like the gaspar statements because it would have instantly killed off Tanner man?
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Post by sharonl on 16.05.18 22:02

@Marco wrote:I've read that Totman told his story to the police in May 2007 and heard nothing more. Do we know which police? If Portuguese then why isn't his statement in the files, and if he made it to the british police did they "lose" it for a while like the gaspar statements because it would have instantly killed off Tanner man?

I wouldn't have been in the interest of the prime suspects McCanns if Totman had claimed to have been Tannerman.  Jane's sighting was the only evidence that they had to back up their abduction tale.   

I doubt that Totman would have told the police in May 2007 but if he did, the UK police wouldn't have upset the McCanns by killing off all the evidence of their abduction claims.  The Portuguese Police saw through Jane Tanner and never took her statement seriously anyway, so why would they need an explanation of something that the know did not happen in the first place?

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Post by Verdi on 16.05.18 22:26

@Marco wrote:I've read that Totman told his story to the police in May 2007 and heard nothing more. Do we know which police? If Portuguese then why isn't his statement in the files, and if he made it to the british police did they "lose" it for a while like the gaspar statements because it would have instantly killed off Tanner man?
Totman is a plant - not of the decorative variety I hasten to add.

The team of 'sources close to the family and/or close to the investigation' have been drip feeding the public with little tasty morsels to maintain the interest for eleven years.

Why else would they stock-up with a bastion of PR pundits and a UK government media manipulator, if not to feed the public via the media?

It's a big game and it works everytime.  I can just picture them chuckling over their cornflakes every morning when they scour social media.  Big gun PR pundits know exactly how to hit the spot - they concentrate their energies on the tabloids knowing full well the type of reader, it speaks for itself.

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Post by Marco on 16.05.18 23:03

Verdi, agreed, but this guy blows the abduction theory out of the water. So if this is just a PR stunt I don't see how it helps them. If he told the police in May 07, then there will be a record, maybe Tony Bennett's foi will clarify.
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Post by Verdi on 16.05.18 23:16

@Marco wrote:Verdi, agreed, but this guy blows the abduction theory out of the water. So if this is just a PR stunt I don't see how it helps them. If he told the police in May 07, then there will be a record, maybe Tony Bennett's foi will clarify.
No more than DCI Andy Redwood's revelation moment back in October 2013, when an unnamed person came forward to say he thinks he might have been the person Jane Tanner allegedly saw on the night of 3rd May 2007. 

The emphasis then shifted to the publicised efits, drawn up between the McCanns private detectives Oakley International and the Irish witness Martin Smith - still at large I believe.

I doubt this person did report himself (that's what it amounts to) to either the PJ or the UK police, anymore than the many other 'sightings' planted by the McCanns machine.  It's just a game to fool the public - it works every time.

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Post by BlueBag on 17.05.18 6:01

Which apartment did he stay in? Do we know?
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Re: MADDIE TENNIS TWIST Gerry McCann played tennis with ‘Tannerman’ on the day Madeleine went missing

Post by NickE on 17.05.18 8:03

@BlueBag wrote:Which apartment did he stay in? Do we know?
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Re: MADDIE TENNIS TWIST Gerry McCann played tennis with ‘Tannerman’ on the day Madeleine went missing

Post by skyrocket on 17.05.18 8:44

G4M - Totman (next to block 5)
G4L - Weinburger
G4O - O'Donnell/Wilkins

Don't forget that Redwood clearly states that Tannerman/Crecheman/Totman had just PICKED UP his daughter from the night creche so he was literally walking in the opposite direction that he should have been back to block 4. There's no case what-so-ever for: 'I walked the long way round;' or 'I turned down the wrong street in the dark.' To be walking the way he was, Totman had just passed (or been in) block 5 and had just passed (or been in) block 4 (where he was staying).

Dr Totman - why not send us an email just to explain why you were walking away from block 4 at around 9.15pm on Thurs 3 May. If we did not know better it could be argued that you are now the prime suspect as the abductor of a 3 year old child. Robert Murat was made arguido despite strong denials he was anywhere near 5A that night. You've admitted to the world that not only were you near the 'abduction' scene but you were carrying a small girl (you say your daughter) - just in the same time frame that a small girl was reportedly taken. Surely that warrants a full and clear explanation.

Also, if Totman did cross the top of the T-junction carrying his daughter, surely he stopped for a second or 2 before crossing to check for traffic coming up in the same direction as Jane? Didn't he see Jane or Gerry or Jes Wilkins? He knew them all from tennis. Has he been asked? Even if he didn't recognise them he MUST have seen 3 figures - unless of course he walked straight out into the road without looking; or, Jane and/or Gerry and/or Jes weren't there; or, he wasn't there himself. Take your pick.

It can only be (IMO):

- threats to self or family;
- financial reward;
- belief that a higher good is being served.

Everyone embroiled in this case must be supremely confident that nothing is going to happen to them for being economical with the truth and they must all have reason for it.
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