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Post by ufercoffy on 05.10.10 18:48

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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: The "Hoax" Theory....Madeleine McCann


I see that Bywaters has posted his theory about the McCanns being invovled with her murder......I do not believe this to be the case myself, and propose another theory to explain what we have seen over the last few months.........

it is a long read......sorry...

I am not syaing this IS how it happened...I am saying this MAY BE how it happened........we may never know the truth.......

On the other hand........I think this offers some hope....as it suggests that Madeleine is safe and well....and the McCanns are certainly not murderers, or members of any peadophile rings, or child trafficing gangs.......

Still......see what you think.

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Good Morning All...here is the latest version of the Hoax theory.....

I will be blunt...and not use too many "alldedgedlys".....just take the whole thing, as a possible theory...A story.......thats all..........

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I suggest to you. That the McCanns, and some of their family members, their friends, and possibly "business associates" FAKED the abduction of Madeleine McCann......in order to make money, gain fame and power, to be lifted to another social level...and have media careers on TV and around the world, as the Amazing McCanns...Child Detectives.........People of Faith, who work in a unique way...but which delivered a Miricle.....the reappearance of Mady (and a lot of cash and fame).......


The plan is simple.......

While away on holiday, the children will be left "un-attended" in the evening..and we will go to various resturants every night......build a pattern (create an Alibi).........then, on one night of the week, Madeleine will be "Abducted" by some of our friends, and business associates...maybe even "family" or the mythical nanny........she will be taken away and hidden around Europe or Afirca....

We will then proceeded to discover her "missing"...we will make a good scene out of it, convince the police she has been abducted...then get on with our plans for funds, rewards, internet shops, new businesses, media spots, Religious stunts, child welfare careers.........perfect.........and in a few monts/years time.....after millions have been put into the fund, and we are world famous Child Welfare Specialists (Maz will love all this)...............Mady will magicly "reappear"....and our unique way of working will be vindicated.....

For ever more, people will come to US if they want to find an abducted child...we can use our media profiles to keep cases in the news...we can make MORE money, by having concerts, and other media promotions, an internet shop, No Stone Unturned ltd.......this will be a life changing event.........

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So what went wrong?

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Well...to go back to that night......lets go into Madeleines bedroom with the twins..........Mady is not actualy in there.....she is in the neighbouring building already, waiting to be moved (she may be sedated)........however, the "Late for dinner Witness", is in Madys real Room in the McCann flat looking after the twins.........keeping an eye out for next door...to see when Mady gets moved and on her way.......

There is a bit of genius at work here........and damn good reason why no DNA from the "Abductor" was found, and why the Twins "slept through the Abduction"...........1. The Abductor was never in Madys real room......2. Most of the people "invovled" went into the real room before the police arrived, and destroyed the crime scene........and since they are "friends", their DNA would not be suspect........or distinguishable from an "Abductors"......

Next door, where Maddy really was...is another English person, a Man..........friend of the McCanns, maybe he is the partner of the "Witness" looking after the twins (Maybe this man is the mythical Murat?).............but whoever, Mady is with him......probably been there most the night......she is sleeping........they are waiting.....

They are waiting for a couple from the Solminar Flats about 3 miles away, to come pick and her up.......it will be the couple from the Solminar flats..and one other man, that take Mady to her "keeper".......the keeper, will be someone who will "look after" Maddy while the con is on.........it will be their job to keep Mady safe, out of sight....and to listen for the correct signals, so as to know, when to let her go...by leaving her in a church, something like that..........before legging it to a Swiss bank account......

I am not 100 certain about the people invovled, don't know there names...so can only geuss......but my geuss, is that the couple from Solminar, arrived at about 9:15......They got out of the car, and went to get Mady...the man staying with her, went WITH the couple from the Solminar flats, to help with any issues...most liekly, lifting a small sleeping child into and out of cars...... and possibly onto boats, WITHOUT waking her......

After this group had driven away from the Apartments....the "Witness" ....checked one more time on the Twins, and then went to dinner...late...very late...about 9:30......this was the sign, that all was clear.........

Mrs McCann waited as long as she dare, for her twins really are alone at this time, and she was about to embark of the scam of the new millennium.............after 15 mins, she can stand it no more.....and goes to "check" on Maddy, for the very first time that night.....and Lo....Maddy is gone.....and away we go........

As in the field of war....you can plan and plan all you like...but as soon as a shot is fired, the plans go out the window......

Things started to go wrong..........

For some reason, the Police were not called for 40 Mins...I suggest that the "Abduction" was running late, and so they wanted to give more time for the Abdcutors to get away.........so , they stalled.....and in that time, invited 20 people to search IN THE ROOM, thus utterly destroying "the crime scene"........not only this...but they wasted 40 minutes looking in bushes, and pools, and behind fences...when they KNEW she had been abdcuted???.....very odd.

Worse was yet to come though....when the Police finaly arrived at about 10:50, and started to ask questions......they could see no evidnce of what they were being told......Mr McCann was in a rage, he was shouting IT WAS AN ABDUCTION>>>>>>>SHE HAS BEEN ABDUCTED........but the Police, just don't see it........she could have just walked out and got lost?...Why is this man saying it HAS to be abduction......? And he says they were "checking" every half an hour...but they can't seem to get their times right????....Nothing seems quite right...no signs of breakin or abduction...parents and people can't agree on who checked when........And why did they leave their kids to go out and eat anyway??.....

Time to talk to the staff.........

The staff were immediately suspicious of the McCanns.....right away......and they said so to the Police in their mother tounge.....They said that it was odd that the McCanns had "firmly refused" the free babysitter service, already included in the price of their holiday and which they happily used during the day???.....just seemed odd....like they WANTED to leave the kids alone that night..we even offered them Walkie Talkies...and they said NO..............and also....that Mr and Mrs McCann did not get up all night.....she only got up once, at about 9:45-ish....and came back in crying "they've taken my baby" " Where is my little girl" (What she acutaly said here is immaterial to this theory)..........

A curious addition to this........Why did Kate leave the Twins behind?....If they KNEW Mady had been abducted, the Abducotr could have been hiding behind a door, or just coming back in for another child......why, after discovering one of her babys missing.........and while KNOWING it was abduction.....why did she leave the sleeping twins behind?

This made the cops suspicious..........Deliberately and wilfully left the kids alone...at night...in an unlcoked flat........and deliberately refused the baby sitter service???????........went out to eat, DID NOT check on them all night (as they had claimed every 30 mins)........except "once" when she claimed to have found her gone?.......But the McCanns just said they were checking every half an hour??????...Wha???......Something is not right here......

Next comes the Twins "Babysitter".....the "Late for dinner witness"........Why was she late? And what is this about her seeing a man walking with a bundle??.....she places HERSLEF at the crime scene, around the time of the crime...and "claims" she saw a man with a bunlde...but did'nt think anything of it??......(very convienient).........so.....a wtiness out looking after the kids, late to dinner.....sees a man and bundle...goes to dinner, says nothing...but 15 mins after she arrives...Mrs McCann gets up and goes to check for the First time that night..and lo....her child is missing?......Just Like That.....

But curiously.....Over time..this witness changes her story.........which actually is one of the biggest mistakes of the whole thing......Her story "evolves"......For one, Gerry McCann aledgeldy got messgae to Gordon Brown, that He (GM) was upset that the Portugese police had not released the "Late Witnesses" statement to the public......? Why...did Gerry think it very important?........Yet the PJ did not?.......Why Blub to Gordon Brown about it?.....Must be a real important part of the story to get out????....

Anyway....her description finaly came out into the Media...and seemed to grow...and before long, what was a bundle, has turned into a man, who is carrying a blanket, with what looks like a little girl with blode hair wearing Pink Pajamas wrapped up in it................??....Ooops...... It sounds like a line of flowing ********.....so we have to ask the question....Why/is she lying?.......Why is her story changing?.......again..they seem to "push" the Abdcution scenario....and evolve the evidence to fit it?...

I also suspect this "Late witness" was supposed to leave the room in a state of some disaray....and she forgot to do this....hence, we have stories of smashed/jimmied/forced shutters...."Obvious signs of breakin".......yet no evidnce of this that the Police can see.......(This "Late Witness" person was not a good one to ask to help in this caper)........

We then hear of reports of CCTV images........taken at a peterol staion 9 miles outside Praia de Luz......these images are described as "key" by Police, and appear to show 3 adults and a small blonde girl.......the adults look British, and consist of 2 men, and a blonde woman...........a blonde woman was reportedly seen outside the Holiday flats around the time of Madys disappearance........

The behaviour of this group of 3 adults, so concnered the staion operator, that he got in touch with police pretty much right away.....The 3 adults and "Mady" were at this time traveling in a Renault Cleo, Gray, with British number plates.........I suggest they were on their way to the "keeper"...who would take Maddy on a trip into North Africa, and maybe Europe......But was Maddy awake?.....and if so....oops? ((I will adress this "awake" theory and Murat in another post)).....But it is too late to go back now, Prai de Luz will be in Uproar, they will have to go ahead with it now........so, off they go to the keeper.....a man on a baot, ready to go to Morroco......

(This lead to Gerrys I believe Freudian Slip......"We fear she was taken out of Portugal and Abdcuted".......Sorry Gerry? Don't you mean, she was abdcuted, then taken out of Portugal?....... oops....

The police need to hear more of the McCanns story...they can't even pinpoint a time of Abdcution (They don't believe the McCanns), so have to use 10:40 as the time, as thats when they got the first call......Gerry McCann gets a lot of questions...and a chance to speak......and one event he speaks of, is a strange event a few days ago.........Gerry McCann says, that he and his family, were on a beech, some 10 miles away from Paraia de Luz.......when a man came up taking picutres of blonde girls......Gerry said this casued him some Alarm and he made issue with the man.......a passing Portugese Citizen took a picutre of this man, and chased him away.......sadly, his thumb blocked the shot of the "Beech Snapper", but he had got a good look........so the Police decided to investigate this line of Enquiry........my my...suspicious parents with dodgey "Abduction" story say they were stalked????...and a Patriot witnessed the scnee? We will look into this......and see what HE says.....

Around this time, the PJ got their hands on the CCTV footage from the Peterol station...and putting two and two together, asked the Portugese man to come in, and see if he could recognise the Beech Snapper, as one of the people in the CCTV footage....and he could recognise the man, pointed his finger right at him............which lead back to the Gray Renult Cleo............with British Plates.....

Police then ID where this vehical is, and see it is at some flats (The Solminar Flats) about 3 miles away fromt the McCanns holiday flats....the police do some investigating, but realise that the "Beech Snapper" is not one of the two people staying there....he must be someone else........and lo, they find just such a candidate......holidaying in Parai de luz...with the McCanns.......turns out to be the "partner" of the late to dinner witness, he is a dead ringer for the man in the CCTV footage......the "beech Snapper".......

So....We have parents who wilfuly left their kids alone......did'nt check on them all night......in fact the only time they checked, was 15 mins after the Late Witness finaly arrived (from doing what?).......

And now we have 3 people on CCTV that appear to be "related" to this case in some way...and also, related to the McCanns in some way.......after all, one of their "partners" was at dinner that night...late...but there......or was it Murat?....who knows at this time......

But...

Time for the PJ to think now...these people may be pulling a fast one, and we really don't know why......best play the game properly (Make believe) and see what they say.....so....The McCanns are invited to the police station to look at photos of peads, that sort of thing......and the other couples from Solminar flats, and the other couple staying with the McCanns (Are taken right off the beech still in their swimwear).......and taken into the Back of the Police station, under blankets.........

At this moment, the British Consulate is seen leaving the Police Station....the PJ have asked for his help..........

While these people are all there, they are asked standard questions about that night...nothing too agressive....lets just hear what they say, and then check for inconsistencies later.......however, we will run the CCTV footage, past the McCanns, and see what they say.........

When the McCanns see the footage, they "are not sure if it is Mady"........(The police are probably pretty damn sure it is but play along).......at this point, the PJ know they have a game on thier hands......and one at this stage, might cost a girl her life.............is this a hoax? they trying to kill her? sell her?...what is going on????

So they make believe......The McCanns are free to go.......as are their friends..........

The Police decide to watch and wait..........and ask for our assitance in speeeding the McCanns through the process...and if possible, can we use the Media to lull them into a false sense of security..as we need to trip them up, these people are clever.........Clarance Mitchell steps in, and the media gag goes into effect ont he 14th of May.........The media will be used (By Clarrance at the Requaest of the Portugese) to control the McCanns, the story, and the siuation...as we slowly work out the McCanns plan...........

The first thing Gerry does after this visit to the police station, is get on the phone to two £500 an hour QCs...he knows something is not right.......maybe he suspects just Neglect charges.......but suspect "something", he does.........so he gets the very best money can buy.....

Then the game is played......out of our eyes, but alluded to on the forums, on the ground in Portugal, games are played...the press is "used".........Times when the McCanns will be asked to make an emotional appeal with a new Mady phto.....but then 3 mins later, be asked to do family shots, all happy and smiles (Punch and Judy)....see how fast they could "turn it on and off"......and they failed......we have all seen the un-natural emotional ques from both parents...they are not acting "naturaly".........they are faking it..... And the police know it.........

In fact, one of the few Genuine emotional reactions we have seen was from Kate, when asked by the German reporter if she was invovled.....Kate looked scared, angry, and put "Cuddle Cat" (an object) bewteen her and the questioner...a CLASSIC sign of defence......this was seen by the whole world..and the PJ.....

Freudian Slips, Odd choices of words (overdraft), emotions that don't look right...or statements that don't sit right (shes lovely)........it all ads up......

Then of course there is "The Fund"...Something that would have been IMPOSSIBLE if ANYTHING else had happened to Madleine.......No sympathy if she walked out and got lost....no sympathy if you accidently killed her.....no sympathy is she got hit by a car after getting out....for the fund it HAD TO BE ABDUCTION!!!!....No other "possibility" would work........

The Fund?.......a personal piggy bank for Gerry...Utterly Unique on the face of this planet in Abduction or even Crime history..........the Victim of an abduction case...sets up a BUSINESS to collect "Donations"....???........where he can make himself boss, of a company called "No Stone Unturned".........where Millions are being thrown in......and he can do with it what he likes.......but of course, the Police notice one major thing......McCann is not spending ANY money on actualy getting his daughter back.....No PIs...No trips to sightings places.........he is only spending money, to make more money or cover his own ass......and why plan for "atfer the end of the official investigation"...does Gerry KNOW that the police will fail to find her?.....If so HOW???.......Or does he KNOW when Maddy will be returned?...He sure speaks like it...........if so HOW??.........the Police are pretty sure they know what is gong on now...but it is hard to proove....

So...we wait...and watch...and throw curve balls to see how they react...like Taking Toscano seriously, (But only after 3 weeks of waiting)....in the meantime, we'll see how the McCanns act toward him..........

We'll get a German reporter to ask one simple quesion, and see how they react.............no more press conferences, tell tale body language......

We'll go dig up a potentioal body, and see if they come with us, quivering in utter fear and horror as we work...or see if they go to meet friends at the airport.......

We will not let them take the twins with them, and see how they explain it away.......we'll suggest Gerry write a blog, and see what he writes...which turned out to be classic signs of "lies"............

We will watch and wait...............see what Gerry does with all the money...does he investigate? Or pamper himself? ......oops......

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I won't go any further than that...if anything is'nt 100% clear. this is the place to ask...or laugh.....lol.......

I will say, that this is just gleened from the press reports from BEFORE the 14th of may, when it appears the Gag order came down.......since then, we have had nothing to do with this line of investigation reported in the press....NONE.......However, we have had lots of McCann worship, and folloiwing them around, at break neck speed, as they whizz through their tour...but now, the end game.....

You see......the one thing that is going to bring Mady back......is when Gerry stops making money......for when people lose interest, and turn away, and stop donating, he has gone as far as he can go with that part of the plan.........When the press walk away, he then has to create MORE interest some how.....Lost Wallet? Emergency Action in an Airplane? Good for a few headlines....but nothing much........no...when the interest drops right off, and the money stops coming..there is still one huge payoff to come...Madys return.......the sooner she gets back, the sooner people will call it a Miricle.....and people will start funding us again, and they can say "We will use this technique for all other children of the world...send us your money, come to our site, listen to our Faith..and we will do it for you too".................

Now I understand what Sentimental Agent meant, when he said we sould turn our backs on Gerry McCann........Even the press are not supporting them day by day now........the wind has gone out of the sails......the Blog is not even "buzzing" anymore.....Gerry does his campaigning indoors now........the interest and money are slowing.........and I believe it is a deliberate act, to force Gerry on to the next logical step....the Miraculous re-appearance of Madleine.....flying in the face of every known crime statistic......... and a masterful stroke from the PJ......

I hope this is right, just for her sake..........

Thanks for reading, I know it was a long one...

http://justiceformaddie.blogspot.com/2008/01/mccann-friends-say-they-did-not-arrive.html
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Post by happychick on 12.09.11 11:55

I wonder what Logicman would write if he updated his theory today?

He wrote this before Eddie and Keela alerted to cadaver and blood.
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Post by tigger on 12.09.11 14:53

quote I suggest to you. That the McCanns, and some of their family members, their friends, and possibly "business associates" FAKED the abduction of Madeleine McCann......in order to make money, gain fame and power, to be lifted to another social level...and have media careers on TV and around the world, as the Amazing McCanns...Child Detectives.........People of Faith, who work in a unique way...but which delivered a Miricle.....the reappearance of Mady (and a lot of cash and fame).......unquote


I lifted this bit, because it was quite a chaotic read. I think he might be right about the first bit here, but the reappearance of Maddie was never an option, I believe.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 06.10.13 1:09

Bumping for old times sake….

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Post by tigger on 06.10.13 6:58

It's a very good theory -in parts - doesn't explain the government involvement though.
But for me the first part is very likely, except it went wrong, something happened that wasn't supposed to happen and Gerry has already told us that the circumstances were such that he could not physically have been there.
Kate has told us she knows what happened, because she was there.

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Post by galena on 06.10.13 19:50

The trouble with this theory (which I have considered myself at one point) is that it looks at what has happened and assumes that the McCanns and their friends had perfect knowledge of the future and knew how everything would pan out.  Frankly for me the whole thing is a bit too messy - for example the lies about the shutters, JT's clumsy sighting of the supposed abductor -  it strikes me as a cover up not a carefully executed plan.  Why leave the children on their own and risk being criticised - if you have all those powers at your disposal why not arrange an abduction which leaves the parents looking like angels? - all the more sympathy and money for the fund!  It would be nice if it were true because it would mean that Madeleine was alive and not suffering.  But sadly the cadaver dogs make that possibility an unlikely one Sadsad1
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 06.10.13 20:44

This theory at one time seemed pretty logical against the backdrop of the information available at the time. Sometimes it's good to look back to the ideas circulating and compare with how thoughts have evolved as time has gone on. Just goes to show the complexities that have always surrounded this case.

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Post by j.rob on 18.02.14 13:36

This theory makes quite a lot of sense. I think it was a faked abduction that was pre-planned (by the McCanns) but it did not go entirely to plan. Money, fame and fortune were motives behind the abduction. And Gerry hoped to carry on with a sustained 'campaign'.  

What intrigues me at this point is that is it possible that the intention was for Madeleine to have been abducted alive and well (but sedated so she didn't wake up). Did something happen - an accident/overdose/adverse reaction to a drug/molestation/act of sudden violence) that threw a spanner in the abduction plan?

If Madeleine had been abducted alive and well, this opens up more opportunities for a 'long term' campaign and keeping the Fund going. Logistically, it is perhaps more complicated to 'hide' a child away for a long period of time, but it is not impossible. A child can be given a new identity.

Is it just possible that the faked abduction hit a major stumbling block (or several?) The intention might have been for Madeleine to be alive when abducted (and this is the script that the McCann's doggedly adhere to) but events conspired to change this. Depending on the media coverage and the police investigation, even if Madeleine was alive and well at the time of abduction, there is always the possibility that she might not stay that way indefinitely and does, indeed, 'disappear'.

On the other hand, if Madeleine is given a false identity and is living a life somewhere far away undetected (and her appearance could have been changed dramatically) then that allows for the possibility of her - maybe many years down the line - miraculously 'reappearing'. Is is even too far-fetched to suggest that, even if Madeleine was murdered or died while abducted, a substitute might mysteriously re-appear many years later? It sounds crazy but there is so much to this case that is crazy.

Kate's book very much advances that theory that Madeleine might be found. And this belief system has sustained the Fund.

If the faked abduction went wrong (and this was the 'disaster' Gerry was referring to) then this would account for the clumsy inconsistencies that occurred (such as inconsistent timings of raising the alarm). The McCanns, however, were left with no option but to try to shoe-horn what had happened into the original script. But they found themselves with the added (considerable) complication of having to cover up Madeleine's death.

It could well be that her death (at least at this stage in the faked abduction) had not been intended, hence 'the disaster'.

If you look at the case of Shannon Matthews, the adults responsible for her faked abduction got relatively short prison sentences. The motive was greed which I do believe is at least one of the motives of the McCanns.

But in the event that the faked abduction goes wrong and a death occurs, the consequences for the adults involved will be far more serious. Hence 'the disaster' that Gerry speaks of.

Even if the plan went wrong, the McCAnns must have still felt that with the high level of backing they enjoyed from the establishment, they might be able to pull it off.

Once it started to look very fishy (the cadaver scent/Amaral's book and so on) the McCanns started to lose some of their well-connected backers and supporters. They had become too toxic.

Take a look at a Canadian website called 'Lighting their Way Home' which is dedicated to the crime of parental and family abductions of children. They are described, quite rightly ,as a form of child abuse.
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Post by tiny on 18.02.14 13:54

What about Eddie and Keela
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Post by mysterion on 18.02.14 16:04

The dogs cannot differentiate between cadaver or blood scents respectively. Another body could have been stored there at anytime in the past and moved in the Scenic. Or maybe it was a completely different body in the Scenic.

Having said that, I think that the above is possible though highly improbable.
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Post by j.rob on 19.02.14 15:00

I think it is possible that the faked abduction was planned in advance. The plan was for someone to move a sedated Madeleine into a secret location - or a series of secret locations. (a la Shannon Matthews - but a more elaborate plot). There have been quite a few cases in which parents have faked abductions of their own children and the children have later been found alive later. Kate writes about them in her book and says that they give her hope. How can we be sure that this had not be the original intention of the McCanns but the plan went wrong?

In the case of the McCanns, I believe it would be to do with extorting money, as well as relieving themselves of Madeleine for a period of time. Don't forget Amaral raised the suggestion that Kate considered handing over care of Madeleine to a relative. Was this an elaborate plan to remove Madeleine from the McCann parent's 'care' and into the hands of others? And get a shed-load of money into the bargain (a lot more than if they had just handed her over to a relative for a few years?)  The intention may have been for Madeleine to have remained alive. (Although I shudder to think what might have happened to her at the hands of those who were concealing her - especially given all the references to paedophilia that the McCanns themselves seem to suggest was a motive for her abduction.) Madeleine could be given a new identity and maybe there was a plan for her to 'reappear' years down the line, when the Fund had dried up and the media had got bored of the absurd' stories. Cue for emotional reunions and all the rest of it. Yet more newspapers sold and more air time. Madeleine would become that rare, amazing statistic - the child that was abducted and then found years down the line.

And if you look at Kate's book, you will see that she covers this precise topic at length. What it would be like to find Madeleine after many years.

Perhaps the original plan had been for the world-wide searches to eventually lead to the discovery of Madeleine? That version of events would tie in more closely with the tenor of Kate's book and with the professed belief systems of both the parents who repeatedly claim that she could be found alive. 

Although the plan went wrong, for whatever reason, and Madeleine died or was killed in the apartment (the sniffer dogs evidence plus Amaral's conclusion) the McCanns had no choice but to stick with the original script. To have admitted to Madeleine's injury or accident would, presumably, have opened up a giant can on worms (all children heavily sedated, possibly other incriminating evidence if Madeleine was to have been taken to hospital that evening or whenever the mishap occurred). 

And, helpfully as always, Gerry has asked the precise question that we would all like the answer to: "If Madeleine had had an accident or died in the apartment, why would we cover that up?"

Only Gerry and Kate (and maybe one of two of their friends) know the answer to that.

With Madeleine abducted by a random stranger, the McCanns could play the victim-role, set up the fund and become ambassadors for the cause of abducted children. This is precisely what Kate did. She became an advocate for the cause of missing children. 

The faked abduction covering up an accident theory fails to take into account any level of pre-meditation, The rapidity with which the fund was set up and other actors put in place suggests a degree of premeditation. If it had been a genuine accident, then that would not have been premeditated.

Placing the fate of their daughter firmly into the hands of a nasty man who stole her from her bed, relieves the McCanns of any responsibility for their daughter and also serves to point the spotlight away from them.

As Kate writes:  "Let's not forget that the perpetrator of this monstrous crime remains at large."

Indeed. The words came right out of the horse's mouth, as they so often do with the McCanns.

I Don't think it is too far-fetched to suggest that the intention was for Madeleine to be 'abducted' alive and well (although heavily sedated) but something went wrong. Maybe an accident or an adverse reaction to the sedatives or some other mishap. This lead to what did, in all probability happen, which was that Madeleine was 'abducted' dead or ill or dying from the apartment.

As both Kate and Gerry, for a time at least, seemed firmly fixated on fame, fortune, money, surely the money-go-round had more potential to keep spinning if Madeleine had remained alive? It offers much more potential in terms of possible outcomes and - if they had got away with it - would have kept the McCanns as figures of public sympathy. This scenario also fits in much more closely with the dogged script that the McCanns follow. 

This version of events would also tie in more closely with the bizzarre  behaviour of the McCanns on the night that Madeleine allegedly 'was taken'. And Kate crying 'we have let her down'. And calling the priest. And both making strange bowing down movements. Plus them both 'knowing' what had happened.

As Gerry wailed: 'it's a disaster....there has been a disaster.....

It would fit with both these definitions of disaster:

1. an occurrence that causes great distress or destruction
2. a thing, project, etc, that fails or has been ruined
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Post by figaro19 on 06.06.14 9:17

@j.rob wrote:I think it is possible that the faked abduction was planned in advance. The plan was for someone to move a sedated Madeleine into a secret location - or a series of secret locations. (a la Shannon Matthews - but a more elaborate plot). There have been quite a few cases in which parents have faked abductions of their own children and the children have later been found alive later. Kate writes about them in her book and says that they give her hope. How can we be sure that this had not be the original intention of the McCanns but the plan went wrong?

In the case of the McCanns, I believe it would be to do with extorting money, as well as relieving themselves of Madeleine for a period of time. Don't forget Amaral raised the suggestion that Kate considered handing over care of Madeleine to a relative. Was this an elaborate plan to remove Madeleine from the McCann parent's 'care' and into the hands of others? And get a shed-load of money into the bargain (a lot more than if they had just handed her over to a relative for a few years?)  The intention may have been for Madeleine to have remained alive. (Although I shudder to think what might have happened to her at the hands of those who were concealing her - especially given all the references to paedophilia that the McCanns themselves seem to suggest was a motive for her abduction.) Madeleine could be given a new identity and maybe there was a plan for her to 'reappear' years down the line, when the Fund had dried up and the media had got bored of the absurd' stories. Cue for emotional reunions and all the rest of it. Yet more newspapers sold and more air time. Madeleine would become that rare, amazing statistic - the child that was abducted and then found years down the line.

And if you look at Kate's book, you will see that she covers this precise topic at length. What it would be like to find Madeleine after many years.

Perhaps the original plan had been for the world-wide searches to eventually lead to the discovery of Madeleine? That version of events would tie in more closely with the tenor of Kate's book and with the professed belief systems of both the parents who repeatedly claim that she could be found alive. 

Although the plan went wrong, for whatever reason, and Madeleine died or was killed in the apartment (the sniffer dogs evidence plus Amaral's conclusion) the McCanns had no choice but to stick with the original script. To have admitted to Madeleine's injury or accident would, presumably, have opened up a giant can on worms (all children heavily sedated, possibly other incriminating evidence if Madeleine was to have been taken to hospital that evening or whenever the mishap occurred). 

And, helpfully as always, Gerry has asked the precise question that we would all like the answer to: "If Madeleine had had an accident or died in the apartment, why would we cover that up?"

Only Gerry and Kate (and maybe one of two of their friends) know the answer to that.

With Madeleine abducted by a random stranger, the McCanns could play the victim-role, set up the fund and become ambassadors for the cause of abducted children. This is precisely what Kate did. She became an advocate for the cause of missing children. 

The faked abduction covering up an accident theory fails to take into account any level of pre-meditation, The rapidity with which the fund was set up and other actors put in place suggests a degree of premeditation. If it had been a genuine accident, then that would not have been premeditated.

Placing the fate of their daughter firmly into the hands of a nasty man who stole her from her bed, relieves the McCanns of any responsibility for their daughter and also serves to point the spotlight away from them.

As Kate writes:  "Let's not forget that the perpetrator of this monstrous crime remains at large."

Indeed. The words came right out of the horse's mouth, as they so often do with the McCanns.

I Don't think it is too far-fetched to suggest that the intention was for Madeleine to be 'abducted' alive and well (although heavily sedated) but something went wrong. Maybe an accident or an adverse reaction to the sedatives or some other mishap. This lead to what did, in all probability happen, which was that Madeleine was 'abducted' dead or ill or dying from the apartment.

As both Kate and Gerry, for a time at least, seemed firmly fixated on fame, fortune, money, surely the money-go-round had more potential to keep spinning if Madeleine had remained alive? It offers much more potential in terms of possible outcomes and - if they had got away with it - would have kept the McCanns as figures of public sympathy. This scenario also fits in much more closely with the dogged script that the McCanns follow. 

This version of events would also tie in more closely with the bizzarre  behaviour of the McCanns on the night that Madeleine allegedly 'was taken'. And Kate crying 'we have let her down'. And calling the priest. And both making strange bowing down movements. Plus them both 'knowing' what had happened.

As Gerry wailed: 'it's a disaster....there has been a disaster.....

It would fit with both these definitions of disaster:

1. an occurrence that causes great distress or destruction
2. a thing, project, etc, that fails or has been ruined
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Post by tigger on 06.06.14 9:49

That's much the same conclusion I've come to. It explains a lot of things. It's also possible that a governmental person was in on the hoax and therefore the protection they were given would be explained. 
However, I don't believe that Maddie was ever to be found, imo the scarcety of family photographs, the need to "adjust" them, the fact that she rarely looks healthy lead me to believe that she wasn't likely to survive for long as she suffered and imo had suffered for several years from a debilitating illness. 

The 'search' for her was planned long-term and indeed would need to be long term to bring the expected benefits.  

All the above my speculation and opinion.

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