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Post by ufercoffy on 07.10.10 11:23

@littlepixie wrote:My house-mate once brought a stack of letters home written by Ian Brady to a young man in the Manchester area.

How did he get hold of the letters?
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Post by Judge Mental on 07.10.10 14:18

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Post by The Slave on 07.10.10 14:26

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Post by littlepixie on 07.10.10 14:56

@ufercoffy wrote:
@littlepixie wrote:My house-mate once brought a stack of letters home written by Ian Brady to a young man in the Manchester area.

How did he get hold of the letters?

My friend worked with the man in the Ritz Nightclub in Manchester. He had struck up a friendship with Brady and had written to him for a long time. I am going back 20 odd years.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.10.10 7:38

Our full article, titled: 'Ray Wyre and the McCanns' (30pp.), is now available on our website, www.madeleinefoundation.org.uk

Please click on 'Articles' and the article comes up at the top of the list of articles
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Post by dragonfly on 14.02.13 23:48

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@littlepixie wrote:Who exactly was Ray Wyre? A Probation Officer who set himself up as an expert?
He trained to be a priest. He gave that up and soon developed a 'specialism' in helping sex offenders. I will be writing a bit more about Wyre in due course. People thought of him as a true expert in his subject - hence the Telegraph giving him space in their newspaper less than a week after Madeleine was reported missing, and The People - with Clarence's support of course - trumpeting him as 'A Top UK Crime Cracker' a few months later.

littlepixie, you asked:

Who exactly was Ray Wyre?

A very good question, still I fear to be full answered.

But his wife made scrumptious banoffee pie.

First time I have come across this name, an Interesting thread then I found this
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Post by Inspectorfrost on 15.02.13 0:06

He was a wierd looking and sounding bugger, died suddenly. Few years ago. What was he doing having dinner with the Mccanns?

I remember the news stations on the Uk right from the beginning bringing out all sorts of wierd people and calling them experts, all of them slagging off the Portuguese of course

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Post by Hobs on 15.02.13 12:55

“I can state categorically there is no way they were involved in their daughter's murder or disappearance. They would be incapable of such an act. I have more than 30 years' experience in this field and am used to people trying to hide dark secrets. There was NO sign of any such deceit. It is absolutely impossible for them to have been involved”.

Oh dear oh dear, such a weak statement

“I can state categorically there is no way they were involved in their daughter's murder or disappearance.

He can state the moon is made of green cheese, it doesn't mean it is true.

He further weakens the statement with the qualifiers categorically and no way they were involved.

WERE not ARE?

Order is important he puts murder before disappearance when the gruesomes and chums have been telling the world she was abducted, therefore disappearance or murder would be their preffered order, abduction first then she was murdered.

They would be incapable of such an act.


Would is future conditional. They would not do such an act again as they eyes of LE and the world is upon them. Once they might get away with, it is a believable scenario, twice is no way believable.

The expected is they ARE Incapable, it covers both past and present and future.

He doesn't tell what the act is they would be incapable of doing so we can't assume.

I have more than 30 years' experience in this field and am used to people trying to hide dark secrets.

What field is that then? he doesn't tell us so we can't assume.

Does he mean paedophilia, child homicide by a parent or accidental homicide from overdose?

Note the dropped pronoun in relation to being used to people trying to hide dark secrets.

If he can't take ownership of it we can't do it for him.

He doesn't tell us people are the ones trying to hide dark secrets.

Trying implies attempting to, it doesn't mean they are successful.

Expected is people trying to hide their dark secrets.

There was NO sign of any such deceit. It is absolutely impossible for them to have been involved”.

So many qualifiers makes this such a weak statement

Was not IS?

Additional qualifiers of any such weaken the signs of deceit. A strong statement would be no signs of deceit.

He doesn't tell us what signs there were that didn't indicate deceit
Anything in the negative is sensitive


Note the additional qualifiers which weaken the statement they were not involved.

Not only is it impossible for them to have been involved, it is absolutely impossible.

It cannot be absolutely impossible for them to have been involved unless they were not her parents, did not know the mccanns and lived thousands of miles away in a tiny cabin in the middle of nowhere.

They are Maddie's parents, she was in their care and they were the last to see her alive, therefore it is eminently possible, indeed likely they are involved in her disappearance.


He doesn't make a strong statement denying their involvement and it shows clearly.

He will have been fully aware of the statistics in relation to child homicide and family members and also the statisitics in relation to the likelihood of a child surviving an abduction by a stranger paedophile which after a few hours is nil.

Abduction by a woman desperate to have a child invariably targets prebors and newborns.

They feign pregnancy and then abduct a preborn. newborn and passes it off as her own.

A newborn can't talk or identify their abductor whereas a nearly 4 yr old is very vocal and real loud. They would tell anyone who they were and what happened (they aren't my mom and dad and so on)

Toddlers when abducted by a paedophile will be murdered, their abduction is to satisfy a sexual need and nothing else

The few abductees who have turned up after months or years have all been older children pubescents and teens, they were taken for a sexual purpose and kept alive. They were not hidden away per se they were out in public albeit veiled ( Elizabeth Smart) or supervised although hidden away when the authorities were close.

Children of this age do what they have to to survive, they can talk to their abductor, they can control their actions, know when to say nothing be seen and not heard so to speak.

A young child doesn't have the same behavior.

Madeleine is long dead, she died sometime during the vacation.

Her parents are clearly involved in her homicide, concealment of a corpse and filing a false police report.

The twins are at risk if kate feels the net closing in as she told us she wishes she could press a button and they would all be togeather and gone

She told us quite clearly she would commit a murder suicide.

What normal parent would ever consider killing their own children?
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Post by jd on 15.02.13 13:02

@Hobs wrote:“I can state categorically there is no way they were involved in their daughter's murder or disappearance. They would be incapable of such an act. I have more than 30 years' experience in this field and am used to people trying to hide dark secrets. There was NO sign of any such deceit. It is absolutely impossible for them to have been involved”.

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Post by Guest on 15.02.13 13:10

Sadly, there is no way that we can know another person well enough to be able to make such categorical statements as to what they are or aren't capable of.

From what I have heard of Ray Wyre, he was an extremely undesirable character himself and I would feel tainted at receiving a glowing reference from him!
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Post by Olympicana_Reloaded on 25.02.13 6:18

Interview: He helps the corrupt, for a child's sake: Society would lock up sex abusers for life, but Ray Wyre counsels them. He believes that they can change


Tuesday 12 July 1994


He looks the most unassuming man - small, round-faced, overweight, with a soft voice and gentle manners. Yet, or perhaps because of this, Ray Wyre probably knows more about paedophiles or perpetrators (the politically correct term for child abusers), what makes them behave as they do and how they might, just possibly, be persuaded to behave differently, than anyone else in Britain.

He is a controversial figure, and not only with the 'hanging's too good for 'em' brigade. He founded the Gracewell Clinic, the first residential clinic for the counselling of child abusers, but now closed. His admirers believe his methods plumb the deep wellsprings of paedophile behaviour, which must be the first step towards learning how to change an abuser's sexual orientation.

His detractors call him self-seeking, publicity- hungry and voyeuristic. Wyre does give occasional interviews; but our meeting was at my request, not his, while the book he is writing about Robert Black, a chronic child-abuser recently imprisoned for murdering three little girls, will publicise Black's techniques of child-seduction as a warning to parents. If it is read for other, prurient reasons, that is no fault of his.

Wyre's expertise is much in demand. 'I talk to police during their training, lecture at Birkbeck College, and meet individuals who want to speak to me: sometimes offenders, sometimes victims. Another third of my time is spent with the police, helping to catch offenders.' He lectures for 100 days a year in this country alone on how to recognise abusive behaviour and induce the perpetrators to confess and, perhaps, change their ways. When we met he was about to fly out to South Africa to advise Nelson Mandela on how abusers might be treated.

Ray Wyre says he had a happy childhood, and it would be simplistic to assume that his work must be motivated by personal memories of pain. His father was a chief petty officer; Ray joined the Navy aged 15. 'I was used to the Navy and its disciplines controlling my life.' He and his wife, Shirley, were married when she was 18 and he 20, and two weeks later he went to sea. She knew when she took him on that he would be an absentee husband. Nowadays she works with him, and they have been happily married for 22 years. They have two grown-up sons and a startlingly pretty 15-year-old daughter. As we talk Shirley, cool and sporty in a pink aertex shirt and white shorts, brings us a tray of tea.

'The children have grown up knowing that I worked with sexual crime. Obviously my work is about being suspicious and careful, but I don't think I'm over-protective. They take the mickey out of me. They don't always tell their schoolfriends, but I have determined not to let my work, or other people's suspicions and innuendo, affect the way I behave towards my children.'

They live in a small private close in a suburb of Birmingham. There is an array of Father's Day cards along the sitting-room windowsill; two plump, comfy sofas face the television, and beyond the plate-glass window a small back garden is patrolled by a watchful black and white cat. It looks the very epitome of decent family life; normal, nondescript, unthreatening, the sort of safe home that Ray Wyre is dedicated to protecting.

He says the public never gets to know of the real horrors that are done to children. The details seldom emerge in open court, often to protect the parents - assuming, of course, that the parents are not the abusers which, in 27 per cent of cases, they are. Stepfathers and male cohabitees account for another 26 per cent; so the greatest danger to small children actually lies within the bosom of the family.

According to the NSPCC, the number of children registered as sexually abused rose 12 times between 1983 and 1987. The 'overwhelming majority' of the parents were white. Many of the families were unemployed. Estimates of how many children are abused range from one in 10 to one in four girls and one in six boys. But if even one in 100 small children is abused, that constitutes a huge problem demanding urgent attention. Wyre says, 'We're messing around in a rock pool and it's a bloody ocean out there.'

The trouble is, much of the attention is directed at the wrong people. Cases such as that of Robert Black incline the public to believe that 'stranger-danger' is the greatest threat. In fact, out of 77 children under five who were killed in 1991, not one was killed by a stranger. Public paranoia reaches fever pitch during trials, but this deflects from the real problem: the abuse of children by people close to them. 'We catch one Black a decade,' Wyre says.

He had several sessions with Black in prison and came close to coaxing from him a confession that he had killed Genette Tate, the 12-year-old Devon girl who disappeared on her bicycle in 1978 and has never been found. By being soft- voiced, non-threatening, by unravelling Black's own troubled childhood, and above all, by pretending that he knew the truth already and was merely confirming the details, Wyre cajoled Black into more revelations than he had made before.

He doesn't hate and despise his clients, although the public at large does. 'I use the word 'privilege' to describe my work with people like Black. You see the waste of their potential and you can be angry with them, yet still show you care: as you must if you want to maintain a rapport. Your overriding motive is the hope that you may be able to stop this person from ever doing it again. If someone had worked with Robert Black when he started offending at the ages of 14 and 19, maybe those children would be alive today. Clearly all this affects me: it's often very sad.'

Ray Wyre was medically discharged from the Navy because of problems with his feet. 'I then went to Bible college and became a volunteer warden at a working men's hostel. I was also helping as a trainee probation officer at Winson Green prison, where my first client happened to be a sex offender. I knew that my future lay in the probation service.

'From 1981-86 I worked with sex offenders in Albany prison on the Isle of Wight, always fighting the system, because nobody wanted me to do this sort of work. They thought sex offenders were one-offs and wouldn't do it again; they didn't understand that it's a lifelong pattern of behaviour and unless people go through therapy while in prison they'll go straight out and resume where they left off. I moved to Portsmouth and set up a hospital-based programme, and in three months went from none to 20 clients. They were all on probation; they had to volunteer.

'By this time I had resigned from the probation service and become a self-employed counsellor, earning pounds 50 for two days' work. Eventually my accountant said, 'Ray, I don't know how much longer this can go on.' I said, 'Do you know anyone who'll give me a million pounds?' and he did. That's how I met Trevor Price in Birmingham, who enabled me to buy Gracewell Lodge and recruit people who had experience with sex offenders, and open the clinic.

'It's important to recognise that while some do, a vast number of abused children don't go on to abuse. Equally, I've worked with people who had deprived childhoods, yet were never abused. Research is needed into other factors: how does the grooming, seduction and manipulation of children take place? Because sex abuse is a relationship, a corruption and a violation, never just an incident.'

He responded angrily when I asked whether children could be sexual of their own accord. 'Of course children are sexual, every parent knows that; but sex between children and adults is inappropriate, and parents have a responsibility to preserve that distance.

'There are no circumstances in which a pre-pubertal child can be in a sexual relationship with an adult which is not harmful, and which is voluntary on the child's part. To me, this is not an academic debate. When you see a film of a man putting his penis into a child's mouth, the child chokes, doesn't it? Yet the abuser will say, 'It was just a blow job, guv]' Words sound so innocuous. To us, 'oral sex' means something pleasurable. To a child, it's invasive and disgusting.

'Whatever it may look like to the abuser, sex abuse is about corruption. Of course there are children who will strip off and ask for pounds 20: but that is the result of early corruption. The child is never a willing accomplice, and the more provocative or promiscuous a child, the more it needs love and boundaries.'

He then said something that throws into question the whole process of the detection and prosecution of adults for child sexual abuse. 'The NSPCC did a study, and 100 per cent of teenage girls who had been abused wished they had not told. The spotlight of the trial, therapy and counselling make the initial abuse worse for the child.

'We've got to develop agencies working with the child abuser and the mother for the good of the children. Getting the man out of the house only means he goes to another house and starts again. I wouldn't have founded Gracewell if I didn't think that.' I asked, as many people have, why not imprison repeated abusers for life, rather than risk damaging more innocent children?

'One, if a person knows they're going to get life for abuse they are quite likely to kill the child, in an attempt to lessen the risk of being caught. Two, you remove any brake on the abuser's behaviour, any attempt to control or modify the abuse. And three, if you care about and love children, what you do to the people who abuse them is crucial: and they won't 'tell' if they know the outcome is life imprisonment.

'As it is, the effects of an accusation of abuse are already devastating. Your home is broken up - your mother's crying, your brothers and sisters are crying, your father is leaving - your whole world is shattered, and you feel it's your fault.'

What about castration? 'Men can penetrate children with many things beside the penis, some of which do even more damage - broken bottles, for instance. Physical castration solves nothing.'

Wyre is made angry by the ordeal that children must endure if they agree to testify in court. 'Because of the nature of our criminal justice system, whereby an accused person is innocent until proved guilty, the defence barrister can manipulate, cross-examine and confuse a child. Then, if the accused is not convicted, the child is branded as a liar.

'That's the problem with taking sex abuse cases to court; it is grossly unjust to women and children. We're only getting a 3 to 5 per cent conviction rate. I have written reports which include a full confession from the man, yet they can't be used until he's found guilty. But there's been a backlash against child abuse cases, and now the child tends to be disbelieved.'

On the wall behind the sofa on which he sits hangs a picture of Gracewell. Always controversial, it was much disliked by factions on Birmingham City Council.

'Gracewell was shut down by the planners last December, which was an outrage. I had 21 staff, and had negotiated with the regional health authority to open a nursing home, a day centre and a hospital, and they got permission from central government, and I was so pleased. But then the local councillors in the planning department shut us down. Worried about their own re-election. No votes in sex-offender counselling, you see. You've more chance of splitting the atom than of dealing with prejudice.

'You have to change the way abusers think about their behaviour. There's one group who believe that they enjoyed sex as children: they hold on to that belief because it justifies what they do. Many more can't enter into adult relationships. They feel inadequate and inferior. Children are passive, non-threatening, you have total power over them.

'I am motivated by curiosity. I'm fascinated by people, I want to know how they tick and how I tick. It's a journey you're both on, together; therapy isn't something you do to someone else. It's about trying to get through to people's feelings.'

Does he see any cause for optimism?

'I do see change, even if it isn't going to be completed in my lifetime. I think society is more caring than it's ever been. It's amazing that we've moved away from structural abuse (child prostitution, child labour) to individual abuse.'

'I work with corrupt people, and I find innocence important. Even with sex offenders, you must help them to hold on to what's good about themselves as well as getting them to face what is abusive. You're always working with paradox, using the two opposites and finding truth in both. I think we can all do great good and great bad. I just want to help people to do what is good.'

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Post by tigger on 25.02.13 6:58

@jd wrote:
@Hobs wrote:“I can state categorically there is no way they were involved in their daughter's murder or disappearance. They would be incapable of such an act. I have more than 30 years' experience in this field and am used to people trying to hide dark secrets. There was NO sign of any such deceit. It is absolutely impossible for them to have been involved”.

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I'm beginning to notice this weird gesture a lot, especially in shots of politicians. It is in no way a natural thing to do, quite awkward. I think I saw Bush doing it. I thought it was an ancient gesture to ward off evil?

@Hobs - Missed this last week, terrific analyses. Since I discovered statement analyses and forensic linguistics I've understood why I nearly always know when someone is lying. The only times I've been 'had' is when I had a strong emotional tie to the person who was lying or to another person involved.

Is that the secret why so many people believe the McCanns? Their emotions about Maddie blind them to the blatant lies. The advertising world uses this technique. Imo there is some kind of mass hypnotism involved in the way this case was presented after the papers were gagged. It wasn't just keeping 'bad' news out as drumming the 'good' news in, same story every time, same presentation.
It 's not working as well as it should, the material you're selling has to do what it says on the box.

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Post by Olympicana_Reloaded on 25.02.13 7:47

@Hobs wrote:I have more than 30 years' experience in this field and am used to people trying to hide dark secrets.

What field is that then? he doesn't tell us so we can't assume.

Does he mean paedophilia, child homicide by a parent or accidental homicide from overdose?

Note the dropped pronoun in relation to being used to people trying to hide dark secrets.

If he can't take ownership of it we can't do it for him.

He doesn't tell us people are the ones trying to hide dark secrets.

Trying implies attempting to, it doesn't mean they are successful.

Expected is people trying to hide their dark secrets.

child homicide by a parent or accidental homicide from overdose?

The trouble is, much of the attention is directed at the wrong people. Cases such as that of Robert Black incline the public to believe that 'stranger-danger' is the greatest threat. In fact, out of 77 children under five who were killed in 1991, not one was killed by a stranger. Public paranoia reaches fever pitch during trials, but this deflects from the real problem: the abuse of children by people close to them. 'We catch one Black a decade,' Wyre says.

paedophilia?

According to the NSPCC, the number of children registered as sexually abused rose 12 times between 1983 and 1987. The 'overwhelming majority' of the parents were white. Many of the families were unemployed. Estimates of how many children are abused range from one in 10 to one in four girls and one in six boys. But if even one in 100 small children is abused, that constitutes a huge problem demanding urgent attention. Wyre says, 'We're messing around in a rock pool and it's a bloody ocean out there.'

I think its fair to assume that in more than 30 years' experience in the field Ray Wyre was only used to dealing with people/parents from more underprivileged backgrounds trying to hide dark secrets.
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Post by Hicks on 11.06.14 20:00

This thread is a very good read. Why is it that most avenues bring us back to the P word.

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Post by missbeetle on 11.06.14 21:13

@Hicks wrote:This thread is a very good read. Why is it that most avenues bring us back to the P word.

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Post by Hicks on 07.07.14 18:35

Be good to review this thread due to the latest news surrounding high level child abusers.

Dr Ray Wire was on the Elms Guest House list of abusers. This you can Google and get the info in a minute. It is there for all to see.
 
Why would parents of a missing child go to Wire's house for a meal? Why would someone connected to paedophile's, and was possibly one himself, give the McCann's show a glowing character reference?

I feel like I am beginning to join the dots
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 08.07.14 8:37

@Hicks wrote:Be good to review this thread due to the latest news surrounding high level child abusers.

Dr Ray Wire was on the Elms Guest House list of abusers. This you can Google and get the info in a minute. It is there for all to see.
 
Why would parents of a missing child go to Wire's house for a meal? Why would someone connected to paedophile's, and was possibly one himself, give the McCann's show a glowing character reference?

I feel like I am beginning to join the dots

Indeed, and there are more dots in this case than there are stars in the sky or so it seems. In case you hadn't come across it before, it is also worth noting the charity Missing People has 3 patrons who have eyebrow-raising "connections" to the P word, and at a fundraiser held by them (end of last year IIRC) several of the "prizes" in an auction were incredibly tasteless given the nature of the charity and i believe one or more members wrote directly to the charity to complain about it.

Pretty much every person the McCanns are linked to or who support them leave a little trail that ultimately ends up at the P word, or at the very least something a bit "dodgy".

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@Smokeandmirrors wrote:
@Hicks wrote:Be good to review this thread due to the latest news surrounding high level child abusers.

Dr Ray Wire was on the Elms Guest House list of abusers. This you can Google and get the info in a minute. It is there for all to see.
 
Why would parents of a missing child go to Wire's house for a meal? Why would someone connected to paedophile's, and was possibly one himself, give the McCann's show a glowing character reference?

I feel like I am beginning to join the dots

Indeed, and there are more dots in this case than there are stars in the sky or so it seems. In case you hadn't come across it before, it is also worth noting the charity Missing People has 3 patrons who have eyebrow-raising "connections" to the P word, and at a fundraiser held by them (end of last year IIRC) several of the "prizes" in an auction were incredibly tasteless given the nature of the charity and i believe one or more members wrote directly to the charity to complain about it.

Pretty much every person the McCanns are linked to or who support them leave a little trail that ultimately ends up at the P word, or at the very least something a bit "dodgy".
Hi S&M. I looked up the charity Missing People on Wiki. The following jumped out from the page.......

FINANCIAL PROBLEMS (2005-2006)

Faced with closure after years of inadequate funding and little input from the private sector the media announced that NMPH(as it was then know) was to close. Under the direction of the co-founders Sir Norman Wakefield was appointed as advisor and formed a consortium of charitable organisations that offered financial support. After an our pouring of public support the Home Office announced emergency funding for the charity. In September 2005 Paul Tuohy had joined the charity as their first Chief Executive. The charity reformed it's board of trustee's and....started a considerable process of strategic planning.

NEW ENDINGS (2007-2008)

In May 2007-2008 the charity relaunched as Missing People. This reflected the considerable strategic developments that had been made and the fact that the charity now provided a range of services rather than a single helpline.
Also in May, less than a week after her disappearance, missing three year old Madeleine McCann had become headline news around the globe. On international children missing day (26th May) an appeal by the charity was projected onto Marble Arch to highlight Madeleine's disappearance and the plight of children around the UK.

I can see a picture forming. What a spectacular comeback for the charity.

The McCann's went on to be big players in the cause of missing children. They even had the correct reading material there on the holiday. GM went to the white house. They met the pope. GM gave a speech on the abduction of children by paedophile (on what authority or knowledge did he have for that) Kate became an Ambassador for missing children. During the McCann's many interviews CEOP is frequently given a plug.
Remember GM words, just after Madeleine went missing, about being in the church and having the tunnel vision? Are we supposed to believe that he had some kind of divine inspiration where he was told to not be sad but to be 'proactive' and set about campaigning for all missing children? B***s***!

I standby my belief that Madeleine's disappearance was pre-planned and in someway connected to the above.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 08.07.14 12:42

Unbelievable isn't it? I have my own ideas what i think the REAL purpose and intent behind this so-called charity is for, and it ain't pretty  sad1  I mean, what charity, especially for missing people, including vulnerable children, would have a patron that spent 5 yrs on a sex offenders register? It's a bl**dy scandal.

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Post by Cristobell on 08.07.14 13:00

And here he is appearing with Jim Gamble on Newsnight.  Sorry not the video but transcript.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3392259.stm
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Post by Hicks on 08.07.14 13:03

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:Unbelievable isn't it? I have my own ideas what i think the REAL purpose and intent behind this so-called charity is for, and it ain't pretty  sad1  I mean, what charity, especially for missing people, including vulnerable children, would have a patron that spent 5 yrs on a sex offenders register? It's a bl**dy scandal.
Wow really? Could you pm me the name so I can have a look?
A few years ago I remember watching Brian Gerrish (Common Purpose )talking online about the state and child abuse in this country. At first I thought perhaps the guy was a bit delusional. Since that time we have had many scandals come to light, and of course the latest looming concerning Westminster. I now believe he was absolutely correct.

It is possibly on a scale that is still unimaginable. Many vested interest to keep the lids firmly on.

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Post by Hicks on 08.07.14 13:06

@Cristobell wrote:And here he is appearing with Jim Gamble on Newsnight.  Sorry not the video but transcript.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3392259.stm

I'm confused-and it doesn't take much-. Who do you mean?......surely not...
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Post by sallypelt on 08.07.14 13:07

@Hicks wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:And here he is appearing with Jim Gamble on Newsnight.  Sorry not the video but transcript.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3392259.stm

I'm confused-and it doesn't take much-. Who do you mean?......surely not...

Jim Gamble was just on the BBC news.
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Post by Hicks on 08.07.14 13:33

@sallypelt wrote:
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@Cristobell wrote:And here he is appearing with Jim Gamble on Newsnight.  Sorry not the video but transcript.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3392259.stm

I'm confused-and it doesn't take much-. Who do you mean?......surely not...

Jim Gamble was just on the BBC news.
So Many salylpelt with possible involvement. The charity Missing People needs a much deeper look.
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@Smokeandmirrors wrote:Unbelievable isn't it? I have my own ideas what i think the REAL purpose and intent behind this so-called charity is for, and it ain't pretty  sad1  I mean, what charity, especially for missing people, including vulnerable children, would have a patron that spent 5 yrs on a sex offenders register? It's a bl**dy scandal.

These are the current patrons.

http://www.missingpeople.org.uk/about-us/who-we-are/our-patrons.html

Some familiar ugly faces but I don't know about any of them ever being on a sex offenders' register!
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