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Post by Ruffian on 13.03.18 14:17


Its a SS from the mccannfiles.com
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Post by Ruffian on 13.03.18 14:19

You may feel the parents/group were covering something up but it doesnt appear to be anything to do with Madeleine going missing
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Post by HiDeHo on 13.03.18 14:22

@Ruffian wrote:








RANSLATION BY INES
02-Processos Vol II Pages 261-263


















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Witness Statement
Maria Manuela Antonia Jose
Date: 06 - 05 - 2007
Place of Work: OC

She has worked at the OC, since 25 March 2006, in Luz, as a cook in one of the restaurants within the complex, called the Tapas Restaurant.

With relation to the facts being investigated, she confirms that on the 4 May 2007, at about 18h30, when arriving for work at the complex, she heard from her supervisor, Steve, that a female child who was staying with her parents and siblings at one of the OC apartments had gone missing on the previous day (3rd May 2007).

When she was informed about the disappearance she did not realise which child this was, it was only later, upon watching the television news that night and after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crêche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.

Upon questioning, the witness confirms that on the day of the disappearance, she worked at the restaurant from 10h00 to 18h45, when, having finished her shift, she went home, where she remained with her 13 year old son until approximately 10h00 the following day (4th May).

On 4th May 2007, due to the fact that she had a medical appointment at the Lagos Health Centre followed by an appointment at the Portimao Court at 15h00, she only began work at 18h30 (dinner service, which lasts until 24h00).

With relation to the facts being investigated, she only knows what she heard from the media or from conversations with her colleagues.

Upon questioning, she states that the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week.

She information that it of use to the investigation, and has nothing more to add, but repeats that the girl was with her parents on holiday at the resort, together with her two twin siblings.

She has no knowledge of any suspicious situation.

Reads, ratifies and signs.

I covered the statements of ALL the cooks at the tapas in another thread and the conclusion can be seen there is NO PROOF that any of them specifically saw Maddie and could identify her.

Post #52 on this thread

Re: PLANNING THE ABDUCTION HOAX. Was it done over four days, or four hours?



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Re: Possible Timeline ? Discuss

Post by Ruffian on 13.03.18 14:25

Heres another broadcast
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Post by HiDeHo on 13.03.18 14:26

@Ruffian wrote:
Its a SS from the mccannfiles.com


Thanks Ruffian.  Are you able to give me the link to that Archived post?

I can search for it but I don't have a lot of time and may not be able to find it for a while
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Post by Ruffian on 13.03.18 14:37

Hideho wrote - I covered the statements of ALL the cooks at the tapas in another thread and the conclusion can be seen there is NO PROOF that any of them specifically saw Maddie and could identify her.




When she was informed about the disappearance she did not realise which child this was, it was only later, upon watching the television news that night and after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crêche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.


[size=13]Upon questioning, she states that the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_JOSE.htm

I think she is quite clear
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[size=13]she recognised Madeleine and states saw her at meal times every day
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Post by Ruffian on 13.03.18 14:42

Witness statement of Georgina Louise Jackson 2007.05.08

Georgina states she knows the family and states Madeleine was playing tennis on Tuesday


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Post by Ruffian on 13.03.18 14:43

653 to 655 Witness statement of Georgina Louise Jackson 2007.05.08
TRANSLATION BY ALBYM
03-Processo 03 Pages 652 to 655
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Offical Witness Questioning
Date of activity: 2007/05/08 Hour: 16H20 Locale: Praia da Luz
Executing Offical: Maria Jose Ratnos, Inspectora
Name: GEORGINA LOUISE JACKSON
Birthplace: Norwich Country : UK
Nationality: British Date of birth: 1978/**/**
Residence: Praia da Luz
Post Code: Telephone:
Marital status: Profession: Tennis instructor
Work location: Mark Warner The Ocean Club Praia da Luz
Telephone: Fax:
Identity document: CC no 259***840 Issued on 2007/03/01 by Loule-1


Appears in these case documents as a witness


Due to the witness being British and not having mastered the Portuguese language, the present declarations are taken in the presence of RJQE Murat, a translator named in the official record.


She is a functionary of [employed by] the tourist operator Mark Warner, working as a tennis instructor in the precinct of the Ocean Club resort


Asked, she relates that she usually works from 09h00 to 19h30 and has her day-off on Saturday.


Questioned, the deponent relates that the only tennis instructors at Mark Warner are herself and her colleague called Daniel, commonly known as DAN.

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The deponent started to work in Portugal, in the indicated functions and place, on 18 March last, having concluded a contract with Mark Warner in England with those conditions.


Questioned, she relates that she knew the McCann family as part of her work, since she gave them tennis lessons, as a couple, parents of the missing Madeleine, as well as the other couples who accompanied them.


She reports that the group iniciated contact with the tennis instructors on the 29 April, the day immediately after their arrival at the Ocean Club.


The deponent has the calendar of classes given by her and by her colleague DAN to the McCann couple.

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She relates it was one of the preferred activities of the McCann couple in that they had several lessons throughout the days and up to the date of the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, it being that the child also had a class, on Tuesday, 1 May (10-11h00), that class [in which] she was among a group of children was conducted by the deponent.

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As for the parents, she relates that a first lesson of instruction was done in the morning of 29 April, it being that, on that day, they had no more lessons.


On the following days the parents of Madeleine, whom the deponent identified as Gerry and Kate McCann, scheduled 16 tennis classes, together and/or separately, at different times of the morning or afternoon, classes that were conducted by either her or by DAN depending on their booking calendar.

 
Questioned about the class times of G&K McCann on last Thursday, 3 May, she related that the mother of MBM had a group class at 09-10h00 conducted by herself; the father had a group class at 10-11h00 conducted by DAN.

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Later, at 15-15h45, the couple had a private class, together, conducted by DAN - and finally, GM participated in the men's social tennis event at 18-19h00.


Questioned about whether she had also conducted tennis lessons for an individual called Jeremy Wilkins, who was commonly known as Jez, the deponent relates that that individual booked, and attended, some tennis lessons, but that all of those had been given by DAN.

 
She relates that, as they had group lessons together GM and Jez had had some conversations, but she thinks that it is only because they shared some classes and that those [conversations] will not have given rise to a firm friendship, but rather to a simple acquaintanceship as they both happened to be British on holiday in the same place, both had small children and they shared some tennis lessons.

 
Questioned about the couple and their behaviour, both between the family and with the other group members, the deponent relates that she never noted any issue between them, and that the behaviour of everyone was like any other group of tourists that take their holidays in the resort every day.

 
There never appeared any problem between them and other people.


It being asked of her, the deponent relates that the McCann couple and the remaining group members had often been together, not always all of them, but the majority of the people were sociable with each other.

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She relates that they spent most of the day within the OC resort, in the pool, also they went to the beach but they did not use any of the OC activities there, and they centred their attention on the developed activities of the resort, it being that the couple preferred, unquestionably, tennis.

 
All four couples had children who were, for part of the day, under the care of the child care workers of the Ocean Club.

 
Questioned, she relates that she does not know where they usually ate lunch and that, at dinner time, the deponent was not at the Ocean Club, although she had heard that they dined, every night except the day they arrived, in the Tapas restaurant next to the swimming pool.


Also, she had been told that, at dinner, the group only comprised adults, since the children were in the apartments, but the deponent never witnessed it.


Asked if at some time she was aware of the presence of some individual who had watched the group, whether the adults or the children, she relates that no, she never had the perception of any situation that aroused her curiosity and that everyone acted normally just like any group of friends on holiday.

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Because it was asked of her, she relates that she knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because she lives in the same house as another OC worker and (s)he told her.
 
Prompted, she affirms that she has no further useful information that might help in locating MBM or that may have led to the disappearance.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Georgina_Jackson.htm
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Post by HiDeHo on 13.03.18 14:54

@Ruffian wrote:You may feel the parents/group were covering something up but it doesnt appear to be anything to do with Madeleine going missing


Thanks for the links Ruffian.  I have managed to open them. 

Can you please explain what you mean by this comment in reference to the video screenshots?
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Post by HiDeHo on 13.03.18 15:08

@Ruffian wrote:Witness statement of Georgina Louise Jackson 2007.05.08

Georgina states she knows the family and states Madeleine was playing tennis on Tuesday




I have covered this on another post.

Did you watch the video?

Can you explain all of the discrepancies happening and PROVE their statements are true?

I have not said she did not see Maddie.

I am asking for PROOF that she specifically saw Maddie and could identify her.  She says she has the calendar.  Is she recalling from that calendar that Maddies group played on Tuesday and saying she was 'among a group' does NOT confirm she specifically saw Maddie.

She knows the McCann family?  She knows the McCanns from the tennis lessons.  Did she specifically remember Maddie and are the twins included in 'knowing the family'?  Was Maddie included in 'knowing the family'?

I am not trying to 'prove' she WASN'T seen . I am trying to 'prove' she WAS seen.

So far nothing specific to confirm after Fatima on Sunday lunchtime.
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Post by HiDeHo on 13.03.18 15:21

@Ruffian wrote:Hideho wrote - I covered the statements of ALL the cooks at the tapas in another thread and the conclusion can be seen there is NO PROOF that any of them specifically saw Maddie and could identify her.




When she was informed about the disappearance she did not realise which child this was, it was only later, upon watching the television news that night and after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crêche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.


[size=13]Upon questioning, she states that the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_JOSE.htm

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[size=13]she recognised Madeleine and states saw her at meal times every day
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Maria is QUITE CLEAR that she saw Maddie?

'where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.'

She saw A CHILD that was at the creche next to the tapas. THAT WAS NOT MADDIE!

Maddie's creche was 10 mins away.

NO PROOF that she saw Maddie.


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Post by HiDeHo on 13.03.18 15:43

PLEASE NOTE:

For those that believe all the witnesses that say they saw Maddie MUST be correct, then I ask if Miguel Matias who BELIEVES that he saw Maddie dancing with her daddy at the Paraiso  ALSO can be believed.

OF COURSE he cannot be accused of 'lying'.  It was his belief (as with all the witnesses) that he saw Maddie.

HOWEVER we know HE DID NOT SEE HER!

He mistook one of the other tapas children for Maddie!

Something that is EASILY done (apparently) and the reason I look for 'proof'/confirmation it WAS Maddie they saw.

If Miguel was mistaken then isn't it possible that some of the witnesses could be mistaken?

PLEASE REMEMBER.

I am not claiming Maddie WASN'T seen

I do NOT  claim witnesses were lying.

I am looking for 'proof' / confirmation that she WAS seen



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Post by Ruffian on 13.03.18 15:58

@HiDeHo wrote:
@Ruffian wrote:Hideho wrote - I covered the statements of ALL the cooks at the tapas in another thread and the conclusion can be seen there is NO PROOF that any of them specifically saw Maddie and could identify her.




When she was informed about the disappearance she did not realise which child this was, it was only later, upon watching the television news that night and after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crêche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.


[size=13]Upon questioning, she states that the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_JOSE.htm

I think she is quite clear
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[size=13]she recognised Madeleine and states saw her at meal times every day
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Maria is QUITE CLEAR that she saw Maddie?

'where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.'

She saw A CHILD that was at the creche next to the tapas. THAT WAS NOT MADDIE!

Maddie's creche was 10 mins away.

NO PROOF that she saw Maddie.


Maria does not refer to 'A child' she clearly states she SAW Madeleine and RECOGNISED HER from the TV broadcast

When she was informed about the disappearance she did not realise which child this was, it was only later, upon watching the television news that night and after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crêche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.


[size=13]Upon questioning, she states that the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_JOSE.htm[/size]
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Post by Mark Willis on 13.03.18 17:18

@Ruffian wrote:
@Mark Willis wrote:The signalling (by Eddie?) in the bushes intrigues me. As a hiding place for the blue bag it would have to have been temporary. It would be of no use after 10pm May 3rd as even a perfunctory search around 5A would have revealed the blue bag.
Even days prior to May 3rd the bushes would be a poor choice of hiding place. But I'd never considered it to be a "pick up" place. 

However..was Murat's hire car "sniffed"? Only the Mc hire car revealed the presence of cadaverine. Then again, there is that thing about Murat having maybe 2 (operating) cars and for some reason went and hired one.
Murat lied so many times (what was it, made 19 changes to his initial statement?) regards his movements that week. Was he already known to Gerry, summoned as a handy infiltrator into any subsequent investigation? What guarantee was there he'd get that translating gig, anyway?
To me Murat was always the 10th Tapas.

Eddie  only alerted to the key fob which had been in the door pocket of the car
Forensic testing matched cellular material on the key fob to Gerald McCann
Eddie did not alert to the car boot area even though he can be seen going under that area
So who or what alerted to what in the bushes?
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Post by Phoebe on 13.03.18 17:21

Maria Jose stated that Madeleine attended the creche beside the Tapas bar. I expect this was a presumption on her part rather than a case of mistaken identity. After all, Lily Payne was based in the Tapas creche and also attended high tea with all the other children from the various groups. It's a reasonable assumption to make. It is unlikely that the cook knew exactly which buildings housed which creche groups but did know there was one near her kitchen. She does however, definitely claim to have seen Madeleine. I would not dismiss her statement just because she assumed Madeleine spent her creche sessions with Lily. Ditto for Georgina Jackson. She specifically says that on Tuesday she gave Madeleine a lesson, with 5 other children. If Madeleine was not there for tennis one would expect Georgina to comment that she cannot remember her. On the Thursday afternoon, Madeleine was the only little girl in the Lobsters group (with just two boys) for the last hour and a half of creche. There is no way she can have been mistaken for someone else. Either Cat Baker is lying or Madeleine was there at creche and high tea.

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Post by HiDeHo on 13.03.18 17:26

@Ruffian wrote:
@HiDeHo wrote:
@Ruffian wrote:Hideho wrote - I covered the statements of ALL the cooks at the tapas in another thread and the conclusion can be seen there is NO PROOF that any of them specifically saw Maddie and could identify her.




When she was informed about the disappearance she did not realise which child this was, it was only later, upon watching the television news that night and after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crêche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.


[size=13]Upon questioning, she states that the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_JOSE.htm

I think she is quite clear
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[size=13]she recognised Madeleine and states saw her at meal times every day
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Maria is QUITE CLEAR that she saw Maddie?

'where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.'

She saw A CHILD that was at the creche next to the tapas. THAT WAS NOT MADDIE!

Maddie's creche was 10 mins away.

NO PROOF that she saw Maddie.


Maria does not refer to 'A child' she clearly states she SAW Madeleine and RECOGNISED HER from the TV broadcast

When she was informed about the disappearance she did not realise which child this was, it was only later, upon watching the television news that night and after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crêche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.


[size=13]Upon questioning, she states that the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_JOSE.htm[/size]



If she 'saw' Madeleine, can you explain why she claims she spent the day in the creche next to the tapas when we know she did NOT?
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Post by Mark Willis on 13.03.18 17:36

@Basil with a brush wrote:
@Mark Willis wrote:
To me Murat was always the 10th Tapas.

I had him as the eleventh  shhhh
Eons ago, when no one knew how this case would expand like the Big Bang, when no one was copying down what was being said via the media, I recall hearing that one or two "persons of interest" [my words] had high-tailed it out of Luz on the morning of the 4th of May 2007 - reported that day or the day after. I think that was when Edmonds first got a mention. Thereafter that line of "news" was never followed up on air.
Then there's Mr Green's private jet.
However, it wasn't long after the collective term "Tapas 9" was spouted that "The 10th Tapas" came along, suggesting the 9 we know and a mystery person, throwing suspicion onto some unnamed 3rd (or 10th lol) party.
Rather like Gerry's blogs, I read them as they came out but no one seems to have the first few days saved, again owing to being unaware how massive this would all become.
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Post by Phoebe on 13.03.18 17:37

@HiDeHo   Maria Jose probably knew there was a creche located beside the Tapas Bar. She claims to have seen Madeleine when the children were eating "In their part of the restaurant" (the terrace) beside the tapas bar. It's reasonable to deduce that she said the child was in the Tapas creche as that's the only creche location she knows of. The cook  would not know exactly which rooms in which buildings were being used as creche centres. She just knew there was a creche room beside the Tapas. It's a logical assumption to make.

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Post by HiDeHo on 13.03.18 18:18

@Phoebe wrote:@HiDeHo   Maria Jose probably knew there was a creche located beside the Tapas Bar. She claims to have seen Madeleine when the children were eating "In their part of the restaurant" (the terrace) beside the tapas bar. It's reasonable to deduce that she said the child was in the Tapas creche as that's the only creche location she knows of. The cook  would not know exactly which rooms in which buildings were being used as creche centres. She just knew there was a creche room beside the Tapas. It's a logical assumption to make.


Phoebe, it is your prerogative to 'deduce' that she saw Madeleine.

I do not see it as 'proof' or confirmation that she saw and was able to identify her and was not mistaken, and therefore CANNOT use it in my research.

Please remember...

I am not trying to prove she WASN'T seen... I am looking for 'proof'/confirmation that she was!
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Post by Ruffian on 13.03.18 19:07

Madeleine was seen by an independant person on Tuesday and on the 3rd.

Whether or not its thought the parents/group were covering for something is another matter
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Post by HiDeHo on 13.03.18 20:23

@Ruffian wrote:Madeleine was seen by an independant person on Tuesday and on the 3rd.

Whether or not its thought the parents/group were covering for something is another matter

As mentioned in the previous post, we do not know for sure that individual witnesses were not mistaken.

It's everyone's prerogative to believe as they wish but I take my research seriously and do not rely on statements that are not 'proven' to be reliable and credible identification of Madeleine.

If ANYONE wants to show me a statement that can be scrutinised as being without question that they identified Madeleine, then I will add to my research.

In EIGHT years I have not seen one.
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Re: Possible Timeline ? Discuss

Post by Phoebe on 13.03.18 20:33

I think it's almost impossible to "prove" who did see Madeleine based on the interviews in the files. The only way to "prove" that A met B is to have a photo or video recording of the event and normal life does not work like that. Usually eye-witness testimony is given as a verbal account of what the witness claims to have seen. When there are numerous witnesses who claim to have seen the child during the week it boils down, IMO, to two scenarios. 1) these witnesses are giving a truthful accurate account or 2) all these witnesses are lying or mistaken. I really don't think it realistic that Madeleine's death could have been concealed from the Sunday until Thursday night. Where would they have kept the body during this time. How could they all have behaved normally for four full days and nights knowing what they did. How could they hope her absence from creche and high tea would not be noticed by staff, children and other O.C. guests. On Tuesday Gerry was unperturbed about going to collect Madeleine from creche with Jeremy Wilkins. That does not suggest someone trying to hide the fact that the child was not there. How could they take the risk that her absence would not be noted by the instructor at  the Tuesday tennis class, with only 5 children there instead of 6. The McCann children had high tea every evening and played in the play area in full view of other children and parents. Again, this does not tally with the notion of them taking short cuts and using different doors to avoid being seen with only two children. 

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Re: Possible Timeline ? Discuss

Post by polyenne on 13.03.18 20:37

Lizzy, I for one totally understand where YOU are coming from. Others may not and I think BOTH sides will have trouble proving their particular stance.

I think by trying to reinforce your own position, you’ll be seen to be discounting the other side of the argument.  Each side is neither right nor wrong until DEFINITIVE proof is forthcoming. Neither side should take it personally.....debate is good.

One thing I would add is this. On the basis that GA has repeatedly asserted that he has additional information that was not contained in The Truth of the Lie, I do wish he’d publish a second. I can’t believe the ECHR threat to be an obstacle.

Publish & be damned !!

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Re: Possible Timeline ? Discuss

Post by HiDeHo on 13.03.18 20:54

@polyenne wrote:Lizzy, I for one totally understand where YOU are coming from. Others may not and I think BOTH sides will have trouble proving their particular stance.

I think by trying to reinforce your own position, you’ll be seen to be discounting the other side of the argument.  Each side is neither right nor wrong until DEFINITIVE proof is forthcoming. Neither side should take it personally.....debate is good.

One thing I would add is this. On the basis that GA has repeatedly asserted that he has additional information that was not contained in The Truth of the Lie, I do wish he’d publish a second. I can’t believe the ECHR threat to be an obstacle.

Publish & be damned !!


I understand what you are saying and thanks for the post :)

It is for that reason that I consistently say that I am not trying to prove she WASN'T seen.

The research is based on being used in addition to when the 'discrepancies' started happening (Tuesday morning) and my decision to see whether I could find something to 'prove' whether the thoughts, because of their discrepancies/conradictions/lies?, could be either 'validated' or.... and I am being sincere... I had NO idea what the research would show me.  It could have contradicted my thoughts.

I spent MONTHS (and MANY reference threads) scrutinising EVERY statement.

The ONLY one I could find that had a great degree of probability identifying Maddie was Fatima at lunchtime Sunday.

Thats when it shows that the POSSIBILITY of something happening earlier is credible.  If I had found a statement with as much credibility as Fatima claiming she was seen on WEDNESDAY then my thoughts would have been CHANGED accordingly.


My research is NOT to prove everyone else wrong... it is to SHOW its viable that something happened earlier.

It does NOT mean I'M RIGHT only that I am justifying my thoughts and giving credible reasons why its POSSIBLE that something happened earlier.

Many people misunderstand and think I'm trying to prove she WASN'T seen...  They are WRONG!
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