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Post by sharonl on 10.03.18 14:37

Richard in bid to stop 'private' information from emerging in court battle over BBC coverage of police raid
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Sir Cliff Richard wants to stop information he says is private and sensitive from emerging during a High Court battle with the BBC.

The singer is suing the BBC over its coverage of a police raid on his apartment in Sunningdale, Berkshire, in August 2014, following an allegation of historical sex assault.

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The 77-year-old singer, who denied wrongdoing and was not charged with any offence, says he suffered “profound and long-lasting damage” as a result of coverage and wants damages.
BBC editors have said they will “defend ourselves vigorously”.


A judge is due to oversee a trial in London in April.

Mr Justice Mann on Thursday oversaw a preliminary hearing at which he analysed a dispute over whether some information contained in witness statements gathered by the BBC should be allowed to emerge at the trial.


The judge said the information should stay under wraps for the time being, but he said he would review rival arguments during the trial.

Richard’s lawyers said the information at the centre of the dispute was sensitive and private and should not be aired at the High Court trial.
But lawyers representing BBC said bosses would not agree to the evidence being withheld or not referred to in open court proceedings.

They said the information was “important and significant” to their case and said any “derogation from open justice” had to be “strictly necessary”.

Justin Rushbrooke QC, who is leading Richard’s legal team, said five “sensitive” passages in witness statements contained information about the police investigation into the singer which was not in the public domain.
“What is contained within the paragraphs of these witness statements is plainly within the four corners of what we say is private information,” he told the judge.

“This is the BBC holding itself up as the guardian of the public interest and saying the public is entitled to hear its full evidence.”
He added: “It is plainly wrong to say they will get any less a fair trial from your Lordship if these passages, five in all, are withheld from public inspection.”

Rushbrooke said Richard was not asking the judge to sit in private.

Gavin Millar QC, who is leading the BBC’s legal team, said the passages should be aired in open court.
“The passages in these witness statements are not part of an attack by the BBC,” he said. “These passages are there as part of the BBC’s case.”

He added: “We don’t say we are the guardian of the public interest.”
Millar said the open justice principle should apply.

Lawyers have told how, in late 2013, a man made an allegation to the Met Police, saying he had been sexually assaulted by Richard at Sheffield United’s Bramall Lane football stadium in Sheffield when a child in 1985.

Officers passed the allegation to South Yorkshire Police in July 2014.

Richard denied the allegation and in June 2016 prosecutors announced that he would face no charges.
A BBC spokesman said the BBC had reported Richard’s “full denial of the allegations at every stage”.
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Cliff Richard-BBC Libel claim

Post by willowthewisp on 10.03.18 17:19

Hi sharon,you don't suppose Cliff has been in contact with Max Mosley on how to gag the press,Libel claims,"Need to Know basis"?
After all if it was in the original documentation,that the Police had in their possession,but may have failed deliberately to disclose to the public as part of their case,Police Evidence?
Therefore if you can suppress the"Five sensitive passages"from the witness statements,that were not heard in an Open Court,how can you clarify if what they said was true,untested statements,which is the reason for them to be heard in an Open Court?
South Yorkshire Police involved Once again,could find evidence of allegation to be substantiated?

Well if the evidence isn't their,it isn't there is it,Remember CCTV evidence going missing under a Former Commissioners watch at HillsBorough 15/16 April 1989?
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Re: Missing People Patron, Cliff Richard in bid to stop 'private' information from emerging in court battle over BBC coverage of police raid

Post by Hobs on 10.03.18 18:50

Sensitive info about his sexual orientation perhaps?

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Re: Missing People Patron, Cliff Richard in bid to stop 'private' information from emerging in court battle over BBC coverage of police raid

Post by Verdi on 11.03.18 0:24

@BlueBag wrote:Cliff has secrets.
So do all cliffs - fossilized skeletons mostly smilie .

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Post by polyenne on 11.03.18 7:07

Cliff, Portugal, vineyard near Albufeira, tried to offload last May (did it sell ?).

Those tentacles.......

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Post by Verdi on 11.03.18 13:25

@polyenne wrote:Cliff, Portugal, vineyard near Albufeira, tried to offload last May (did it sell ?).

Those tentacles.......
Did you hear that on the grapevine whisper ?

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Re: Missing People Patron, Cliff Richard in bid to stop 'private' information from emerging in court battle over BBC coverage of police raid

Post by Mark Willis on 11.03.18 15:15

@Verdi wrote:
@polyenne wrote:Cliff, Portugal, vineyard near Albufeira, tried to offload last May (did it sell ?).

Those tentacles.......
Did you hear that on the grapevine whisper ?
LOL!!  big grin 

No. She was having a crafty smoke at the time, so heard it on the Woodbine.

I'll get me coat...  facepalm
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Post by polyenne on 11.03.18 18:13

You two are like The Krankies in disguise !!

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Post by sharonl on 11.03.18 19:03

@Verdi wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Cliff has secrets.
So do all cliffs - fossilized skeletons mostly smilie .



What about hills?  The type the prime suspects dream about.

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Post by Mark Willis on 11.03.18 19:59

@polyenne wrote:You two are like The Krankies in disguise !!
To me, to you, to me, to you!!
We have this understanding.
He's standing, and I'm under.
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Post by Verdi on 11.03.18 21:11

@sharonl wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Cliff has secrets.
So do all cliffs - fossilized skeletons mostly smilie .

What about hills?  The type the prime suspects dream about.
And Flintshire private detectives hide abducted children in.  Lawless hills naturally.

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Post by Verdi on 11.03.18 21:35

@polyenne wrote:You two are like The Krankies in disguise !!
Who? 

Is that a compliment or an insult in disguise?

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Post by Mark Willis on 12.03.18 6:57

@Verdi wrote:
@polyenne wrote:You two are like The Krankies in disguise !!
Who? 

Is that a compliment or an insult in disguise?
I just realised I read "Krankies" as "The Chuckle Bothers" (Note to self: Get a new Curry's brain, 3/6d for black and white, 7/6d for colour).  dunce

Now I have seen Mr Verdi and myself described as "Ant & Dec" although I am assured neither of us possess a fivehead (that's a forehead and then some).

But the Krankies? Fandabbydosey?  bigshock
How very dare you, Polyenne!!?  affraid

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Post by Verdi on 12.03.18 12:52

I can be a bit cranky - given sufficient incentive.

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Post by Mark Willis on 12.03.18 13:46

@Verdi wrote:I can be a bit cranky - given sufficient incentive.
Would that be pecuniary incentive, Mr Verdi?  m1264 

No. Sorry. Wait. That would be Mr McVerdi.  rolleyes
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Cliff Richard at the High Court

Post by Ladyinred on 12.04.18 14:08

Just heard on the radio that CR's legal "battle" against the BBC has commenced in the High Court today.

He has already settled out of court with South Yorkshire police and received substantial damages.
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Post by Verdi on 12.04.18 15:58

There should be a law against the use of acroynms, initials and abbreviations - they make my life hell.

When I read CR, I instantly thought it meant Carter Ruck - yes, even though the thread is relating to Cliff Richard roll .

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Post by Ladyinred on 12.04.18 16:15

sorry 

You could introduce a new forum rule, "No abbreviations, acronyms or initials".
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Post by polyenne on 12.04.18 16:16

Can someone remind me who “blew the whistle” on Cliff Richard and for what reason (for the “raid” on his apartment filmed by the BBC helicopter)

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Post by willowthewisp on 12.04.18 16:55

@polyenne wrote:Can someone remind me who “blew the whistle” on Cliff Richard and for what reason (for the “raid” on his apartment filmed by the BBC helicopter)
Hi Polyenne,
A Court heard that a BBC Journalist had received a tip off about a "Police Raid" from a Metropolitan Police Source working on Operation Yewtree that was investigating the historical allegations of sexual Offences against children.

BBC correspondent Dan Johnson,had arranged in advance with South Yorkshire Police,that the BBC would be"Outside" of Cliff Richards gated property on the Day of the raid!

So here we have Two UK Police forces exchanging information with BBC Journalists in relation to Mr Cliff Richard.

Apparently some time ago Mr Richards had been approached about rescinding his "Knighthood" long before any raids on his "Property",whereby Mr Richards was to retire to his abode in Bermuda,where there was No extradition Procedures,but alas Mr Richards was in Portugal with his Lawyer watching the events live on the News of the raid,was Cliff tipped Off Not to be in the UK on the day of the Raid?

Loose lips sink ships,eh Metropolitan Police,South Yorkshire Police?
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Post by polyenne on 12.04.18 17:09

I am dismayed that the basis of law “innocent until proven guilty” is continually turned on its head, primarily by the MSM and often citing “a source”. And those making the allegation remain anonymous sometimes even when their allegations are found to be complete poppy cock. For the poor accused, the damage has been done and their names and families dragged through the gutter. 

Now, I’ve no problem if Cliff is guilty of some illegal activity ( in which case he should feel the full force of the law) but if it’s all about his sexual preferences and there’s no harm done (legally) then who are we to cast the stone ?

And then what happens to the person who made the original allegation ? Slips quietly away no doubt, retaining his/her anonymity.

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Post by willowthewisp on 12.04.18 17:41

Hi Polyenne,thanks for your post on Mr Cliff Richards and his "Sexuality" in what is are Private intimate moments between consenting people and that is were it should remain,not being sold as a commodity in Printed articles.

Mr Richards is in fact very able to afford to "Defend" what has been shown on TV and in the Press of alleged allegations of Sexual offences that have never been contested within a Court system,as you have stated,"Innocent until Proved Guilty"?

Mr Richards is a Pop Artist from a bygone age,of which we are now finding out wasn't very"Innocent Times" hidden behind smiles of adulation to TV audiences,were in fact sexual assaults carried out by the Offenders.
Mr Richard's associations to certain wealthy elite echelons and gangsters from society followed him to the the Nefarious"Elm Guest House list"with Political cohorts at the same event?

As can be seen in Today's World on Police Investigations and having the ability to bring about successful prosecutions?
The costs born by the CPS/DPP,Police Officers is now often offset rightly or wrongly,"It will take more time to process the Crime than the Penalty/Fine Prison sentence can commend"ergo the shelving of so many unsolved cases!  
Maybe it has always been that way,but the Policing,fire,Ambulance, on the streets Today is prioritised as seen by the programmes,999,emergency services,which takes precedent!
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Post by puzzled on 12.04.18 21:21

I have always understood that the police are not supposed to release the name of a suspect until they are actually charged.

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Post by polyenne on 12.04.18 21:32

They don’t, they “release” it to a friendly MSM journalist and he/she does the dirty deed

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