Re: The SIX PHOTOS that provide the biggest clue to when Madeleine died

by Mark Willis 18.03.18 17:54

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Google confirms it!

by polyenne 18.03.18 17:55

Love it, Mr Willis !!

by Mark Willis 18.03.18 17:59

Game's up, Polyenne. We all have that album high5

by polyenne 23.03.18 12:49

I see Textusa has spouted forth on the Pool Photo

by **Jill Havern** 23.03.18 13:38

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by Crackfox 23.03.18 14:00

Regarding the tennis ball photo, I saw this the other day. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Sandals look the same.

by Archibaldo 24.03.18 17:37

I don't post often but occasionally get a thought. In the greyscale photo on page 2 of this thread, who is the girl being clutched so tightly by Payne? Is it the older Tanner girl? Whoever it is is clearly unhappy with being held in that way.

by tracey6710 17.01.19 21:48

Verdi wrote:Tuesday 1st May 2007 - everything changed..

During Gerry’s tennis lesson, Madeleine and Ella came to the adjoining court with their Mini Club for a mini-tennis session. Jane and I stayed to watch them. It chokes me remembering how my heart soared with pride in Madeleine that morning. She was so happy and obviously enjoying herself. Standing there listening intently to Cat’s instructions, she looked so gorgeous in her little T-shirt and shorts, pink hat, ankle socks and new holiday sandals that I ran back to our apartment for my camera to record the occasion. One of my photographs is known around the world now: a smiling Madeleine clutching armfuls of tennis balls. At the end of their session, the children had been asked to run around the court and pick up as many balls as they could. Madeleine had done really well and was very pleased with herself. Gerry loves that picture.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Why would a Child,any Child be wearing sandals for a Tennis lesson? If this pic was taken at the end of a supposed mini tennis lesson when did she change her shoes? Surely the trainers she is wearing in the playground photo's would be more appropriate for a game of tennis as opposed to sandals? How would those protect her feet whilst running around a tennis court? Absolutely ridiculous!
Spot the deliberate mistake!

Yes, you are right, as has been said time and again - Madeleine is holding standard tennis balls, NOT tennis balls designed for use by very young children! Besides, Ms Healy said she ran back to the apartment for her camera to capture the moment in time. Did she tell Madeleine to 'hold that pose' for a few minutes? We've heard before about the new Gap outfit bought for Madeleine's holiday, now we have a pair of sandals to add to the wardrobe.

This story about the tennis ball image It's a blatant devious lie. Question is why. To place a living healthy Madeleine at the tennis courts on Tuesday 1st May perhaps? If it be true, why didn't Ms Healy or her husband hand the photograph to the PJ, it would have been far more useful for identification purposes than the outdated image they coughed up from somewhere.

You might wonder why I raise the subject again! Because the 'tennis ball' image is questionably one of the few taken at the Ocean Club and is being used to determine evidence of the time of Madeleine's 'disappearance. So far it has been deduced that the few images were most likely taken on Sunday 29th April, working on that summary, Madeleine must have changed her outfit from the shorts/t-shirt new holiday sandals to the new holiday Gap outfit worn at the poolside to the scruffy pink outfit and trainers seen in the playground photograph to the beads and make-up image. To confuse things further, one should take into consideration the witness statement of the cleaner who describes yet another outfit.

Something doesn't add up. Personally, I believe the only photographs worthy of notice are the poolside and playground photographs - the others are too contentious to lead anywhere constructive.

by **Jill Havern** 17.01.19 22:07

Welcome Tracey6710 welcome

You seem to have quoted Verdi's post without adding a comment of your own....!

Is there anything you would like to add?

by worriedmum 17.01.19 22:52

NickE wrote:
BlueBag wrote:You sadly can't see the left wrist in the tennis balls photo.
The bracelet should been visible on that wrist because this kind of bracelets are wide to get all the info to fit on it and the part of her wrist that are closest to her hand is curved and this kind of bracelets are not flexible.
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Madeleine's hand on the tennis balls photo is noticeably paler than her arm and in fact the hand looks oddly white, Has something been edited out? A wristband?

by AnneBarnard 18.08.19 12:43

For what it's worth I think the following:

Poolside photo was taken earlier in the week;

Make-up photo I can't really comment on as I really have no idea what it's all about;

Tennis balls photo I find slightly strange (not just the cropped aspect or neatness of the surrounding area, or what we can see of it) but... to me at least, Maddie looks different (different hair colour, different face) in that photo than she does in the pool photo or the ones taken on the first day (where she's playing on the grass).

Maybe its a trick of the light or something, but I can't quite reconcile the tennis balls photo version of Maddie with the version of her on the poolside and first day photos.

And the bracelet thing (or lack thereof) seems odd.

by Guest 18.08.19 13:09

Hello AnneBarnard and welcome

to CMOMM.

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by AnneBarnard 18.08.19 14:02

Verdi wrote:Hello AnneBarnard and to CMOMM.

You might find this of interest..

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Thanks Verdi.

Those links are interesting... very interesting indeed. I am beginning to wonder if the tennis balls photo is even from that holiday at all (or even originally of Maddie, if it has been manipulated). I need to read more about that, I think.

from the chapter 22 link wrote:Kate and her husband Gerry, her advisors, their teams of Lawyers, proof readers, friends, the Tapas 7, and their family had ample opportunity to cross check what she had written before publication, if only to ensure that what was said did not personally compromise them or impugn their individual veracity.

It seems no one took on that awesome responsibility.

I doubt if the McCanns and the Tapas 7 can even remember what the correct version of events is supposed to be, there are so many inconsistencies and twists and turns, so the chance of them being able to cross check what is written is probably very slim!

by Guest 18.08.19 14:12

AnneBarnard wrote:I doubt if the McCanns and the Tapas 7 can even remember what the correct version of events is supposed to be, there are so many inconsistencies and twists and turns, so the chance of them being able to cross check what is written is probably very slim!

My sentiments exactly!

by **PeterMac** 18.08.19 17:33

Nicked from somewhere else. Combination of HiDeHo photo montage and statements

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Why Did the McCanns Distribute Much Younger Photos of Madeleine?
Did they want people to identify one of the other tapas children?

Witness Statement
Maria Manuela Antonia José
Date: 06 – 05 - 2007
When she was informed about the disappearance she did not realise which child this was, it was only later, upon watching the television news that night and after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crèche ***where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.*** MADELEINE WENT TO THE CRECHE 10 mins away.
Maria had identified ANOTHER child that resembled Madeleine ..ie THE YOUNGER PHOTO

"..The little girl’s happy afternoon was described by Miguel Matias, the owner of the beachside restaurant Paraiso, overlooking the sea in the resort town.
He said she enjoyed an early evening meal with her father, mother Kate and younger twin brother and sister, two-year-old’s Sean and Amelie.
They were joined by several friends and their children as they sat on outdoor tables at the restaurant.

"It was a perfectly normal, relaxed, happy, family scene," said Mr Matias. "The little girl was even dancing on the esplanade with her dad to the sound of music that was playing.
The restaurateur said he was stunned when he realised it was Madeleine who was missing.

"We couldn’t believe it when we found out what had happened because nothing we saw gave any hint of the coming tragedy," he said. "We didn’t see anyone suspicious looking at the girl or the people on the other tables.
"Nor did we see anything out of the ordinary between the families and the children."

After Madeleine disappeared, Mr Matias realised he was one of the last people to see the little girl.
He contacted the Portuguese police and handed over CCTV footage of the family spending their last few happy hours at his restaurant...."
"...Mr McCann played with his eldest daughter in the sand in front of the balcony and pushed her on a swing before calling her to the table for food and an ice-cream.
Mr Matias said: "It was a perfectly normal, relaxed, happy, family scene. The little girl was even dancing on the esplanade with her dad to the sound of music that was playing. "We couldn't believe it when we found out what had happened because nothing we saw gave any sign of what was coming.
"We didn't see anyone suspicious looking at the girl or the people on the other tables. Nor did we see anything out of the ordinary between the families and the children.'
Mr Matias's evidence confirms Madeleine was alive and well at 6pm, when the family left the restaurant...."

CCTV Footage CONFIRMS MADELEINE WAS NOT AT THE RESTAURANT
Mr Mattias had probably seen ANOTHER T7 child that resembled Madeleine..ie THE YOUNGER PHOTO!!

The McCanns also make it clear Madeleine was not there. Exhibit A, and creche sheets adduced as evidence of absence.

by ROSA 19.08.19 0:19

Was there ever any CCTV footage of the McCann's arriving at Faro airport on the 29th I think ?

by **PeterMac** 20.08.19 7:40

They arrived on Saturday 28th April 2007
They were taken by bus to the complex, checked in, were then taken to their apartment
sorted themselves out, and then went to the children's play area, where the three photos were taken.
(jumping on grass, and the two with the Play house)
as did many other families with children who can be seen in those same photos.
Until that point everything was as normal as one would expect of any family with three small children on the first day of a holiday.

The big fluffy clouds visible in the three photos coincide exactly with the known weather conditions
on that day, and with all the photos posted on Flickr by dozens of other people for that date.

I am not sure how CCTV of arrival at the airport would be important

by **PeterMac** 20.08.19 8:39

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by sammyc 20.08.19 13:40

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - can you find or repost the squirrel story so new members can understand what it means? I remember reading it the first time you posted about squirrel and have kept my eye on him since thumbsup

thanks

by **Jill Havern** 20.08.19 13:45

Here you go:

A lawyer advertised for a clerk. The next morning his office was crowded with applicants — all bright, many suitable. He bade them wait until all should arrive, and then ranged them in a row and said he would tell them a story, note their comments, and judge from that whom he would choose.

‘A certain farmer,’ began the lawyer, ‘was troubled with a red squirrel that got in through a hole in his barn and stole his seed corn. He resolved to kill the squirrel at the first opportunity. Seeing him go in at the hole one noon, he took his shot gun and fired away; the first shot set the barn on fire.’

‘Did the barn burn?’ said one of the boys.

The lawyer without answer continued: ‘And seeing the barn on fire, the farmer seized a pail of water and ran to put it out.’

‘Did he put it out?’ said another.

‘As he passed inside, the door shut to and the barn was soon in flames. When the hired girl rushed out with more water.’

‘Did they all burn up?’ said another boy.

The lawyer went on without answer:–

‘Then the old lady came out, and all was noise and confusion, and everybody was trying to put out the fire.’

‘Did any one burn up?’ said another.

The lawyer said: ‘There that will do; you have all shown great interest in the story.’ But observing one little bright-eyed fellow in deep silence, he said: ‘Now, my little man, what have you to say?’

The little fellow blushed, grew uneasy, and stammered out:–

‘I want to know what became of that squirrel; that’s what I want to know.’

‘You’ll do,’ said the lawyer; ‘you are my man; you have not been switched off by a confusion and a barn burning, and the hired girls and water pails. You have kept your eye on the squirrel.’

by sammyc 20.08.19 13:52

Superfast, nice one Jill.

by Guest 20.08.19 15:42

ROSA wrote:Was there ever any CCTV footage of the McCann's arriving at Faro airport on the 29th I think ?

If you have any questions or observations on the holiday photographs in general, would you please post here..

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Thank you.

by **Tony Bennett** 15.01.20 17:43

Posting this video made in 2018, which again, suggests that the Tennis Balls Photo is a forgery:

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It also suggests that the maker has been paying careful attention to CMOMM and to Petermac's analyses of the Tennis Balls photo, which may be seen here:

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by Guest 16.01.20 1:32

Copied over from Dr Martin Roberts 'A Nightwear Job' thread..

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by Guest 16.01.20 15:41

Tony Bennett wrote:Posting this video made in 2018, which again, suggests that the Tennis Balls Photo is a forgery:

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It also suggests that the makee has been paying careful attention to CMOMM and to Petermac's analyses of the Tennis Balls photo, which may be seen here:

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The YouTube video is a compilation of observations I've seen and read over the years, both here on CMOMM and other fora and blogs. 10/10 for effort but where does it lead?

By example, I just had to laugh at the commentary relating to the tennis court photograph. Firstly, when trying to analyse the tennis ball image, the video narrator places much emphasis on skin and hair colour along with other detail appertaining to colour.

Making comparison with the poolside photograph, she then goes on to say that Madeleine pictured on a tennis court would appear to be wearing Amelie's sun hat. The two images appear side by side on the video, thus..

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A major discrepency highlighted as regards skin and hair colour in order to suggest the tennis ball image is fake, then a direct assertion that Madeleine is wearing Amelie's sun hat - a totally different colour?

Are you with me ....

That aside, there are any number of Madeleine McCann photographs circulating mainstream and social meda, different colouring, different sizes, cropped/uncropped - even front to back. The more time passes, the more obscure this case becomes.

Meanwhile, a source close to the family begins the beguine..

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by **Mainline** 16.01.20 17:59

Verdi wrote:
Meanwhile, a source close to the family begins the beguine..

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The photo appears to have first been circulated on May 7th, in the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], two days before this article and sans Crimestoppers #.

by Guest 16.01.20 21:23

Yes ^^^, that's correct..

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[Acknowledgement pamalam at gerrymccannsblog]

I have added the e-mail attachment as linked on gerrymccannsblog. I can't vouch for the authenticity of the e-mail content nor the linked tennis ball image as can be seen, the pamalam entry is not a screenshot nor an email copy, therefore the origin of the document is unknown.

by **Mainline** 17.01.20 9:33

The screenshots are in the files, in the link I put above (click 'Pat Perkins'):

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by Milo 17.01.20 11:32

Are the red elbows and knees from crawling on the red bitumen stuff on/by the tennis court? Just asking?

by **Tony Bennett** 17.01.20 11:45

The information posted above by [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is very helpful. Thank you, both.

It leads us to review what is known about the hugely controversial Tennis Balls Photo.

That is the ONLY photo of Madeleine that is claimed by the McCanns to have been taken after lunch-time on Sunday 29 April - apart, that is, from (a) the Last/Pool Photo, which many think was taken on sunny Sunday 29 April, but the McCanns say was taken Thursday, and the Make-Up Photo, which has several indications that it may have been taken on the afternoon of Sunday 29 April.

On another thread, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] made a pronouncement about what it means when the EXIF data accompanying a photograph uses the word 'Created on ____ (date)'. Verdi wrote:

"As an aside, if you trawl through the various press agency photograph archives, you will note they ALL use the wording 'created on'. Invariably, if not always, this means the date the photograph was taken. It DOES NOT mean, nor imply, that any particular image has been photo-shopped, manipulated, invented - or whatever other verb you prefer to use".

I cannot agree with that statement, as I am sure I have seen other examples of where a photographer or press agency has 'created' an image afresh e.g. by cropping, photoshopping, taking a photo of a photo etc.

But, for a moment, let us assume that Verdi's statement above is correct.

That would mean that the Tennis Balls Photo was TAKEN on Saturday 5 May.

Now, who on the forum believes that?

Now let assume that Verdi's statement is NOT correct, and that the Tennis Balls Photo has somehow been 'created' i.e. put together EITHER by photographing a photograph, OR by photoshopping, OR by some other means (we really do need a digital photography expert to come in and help is with this).

THEN the above, most useful information provided above may give is clue about the true provenance of the Tennis Balls Photo.

We see from the news media reports on Wednesday 9 May that "The e-poster has been created by Madeleine's aunt, Philomena McCann. Ms McCann is the sister of Gerry McCann, Maddie's father, and lives in Scotland".

Was it? For we now know that Philomena McCann was not 'Ms McCann' but in reality Mrs Tony Rickwood. And thanks to PeterMac's excellent detective work, we know that Tony Rickwood was an expert photoshopper, specialising, on the 'Deviant Art' site, in composing highly professional, photoshopped images, of near-naked women drowning, a practice known as 'the quicksand fetish".

We also know from this 2006 email that Mr Tony & Mrs Philomena Rickwood were quite well off:

Hello everyone, my wife and I have been restoring a nice spot close to Flix in Tarragona for the last year or so. No plans to move out permanently yet but we visit often and now that the bulk of the work is done, we can start to appreciate the local area a bit more. We spend most of our time in Ullapool, Scottish highlands, which has its own superb scenery and wildlife- I have worked on a land based salmon farm for many years and am always close to the action, as well as the weather and the dreaded scottish midge! My employer is a keen birdwatcher, especially Raptors and always "expects a full report" when I return. I am also a keen photographer, both of the night sky and wildlife- I have been photographing the Aurora borealis from Ullapool for years, but the insects and reptiles in Catalonia are of great interest to me. As a pure courtesy, I get pictures of birds for my employer! I'm currently building an electronic camera trigger for capturing lightning photos from some of those amazing mediterranean storms.

But we also see that the Tennis Balls Photo wasn't initially released by Philomena McCann, it was released in the form of a poster, as early as Monday 7 May, by one of the McCann family's friends, a 'Pat Perkins', who is self-described on the e-mail as 'Pat Perkins, Pre employment lead NHS academy North West'.

She is still in the same job, and has been since 2004, as her publicly-viewable Linked-In profile makes clear.

She is based in Liverpool and described as follows in a recent NHS briefing paper:

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Skills for Health
Pat Perkins
North West Pre Employment Development Lead
Since 2004
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Her Linked-In profile also tells us that she was educated at Notre Dame Roman Catholic High School, Everton Valley, Liverpool.

So was Kate Marie Healy