Re: Richard D. Hall's appeal for new information re Madeleine's Make-Up Photo and the thermometer on the wall

by Smokeandmirrors 27.06.20 18:38

@PeterMac wrote:would they for instance be appalled if they were shown a photograph of any little girl in make up that clearly hadn't been applied by herself.

Yes. I am appalled at the pictures of JonBenét. She was 6. And was murdered by strangulation.

Couldn't agree more Peter.

I absolutely can't stand it when people "tart up" children. It makes my blood run cold. And don't get me started on infants with pierced ears.

A child has so very few precious years of innocence as it is yet weird adults seek to pollute that tiny amount of time with trying to "adult" little people. So so wrong

by crusader 27.06.20 19:13

There is a world of difference between JonBenet Ramsey and Madeleine McCann. JonBenet was in beauty pageants Madeleine, as far as I know wasn't.
It seems to be the consensus that Madeleine was made up and photographed to appeal to the paedophiles in Portugal.
I utterly refuse to believe that paedophillia had anything to do with Madeleine's demise.
The evidence points to her dying in the apartment, and the despicable parent's covering it up. PeterMacs theory is the only one that makes any sense to me.
Some little girls do love dressing up, but beauty pageants for children have no place in decent society. In my book, it's child exploitation.

by **Mainline** 28.06.20 13:34

To answer questions from earlier in the thread, when I was not able to respond...

The apartment I put forward as a possible location is not the Gorrod's apartment.

Richard D. Hall's appeal for new information re Madeleine's Make-Up Photo and the thermometer on the wall - Page 16 Gorr210

Richard D. Hall's appeal for new information re Madeleine's Make-Up Photo and the thermometer on the wall - Page 16 C510

I previously, mistakenly, left out the word 'possibly' on the map image.

Unable to host gif here, just click here.The lighter image was taken by myself in 2017.

by Ladyinred 28.06.20 14:44

Ben, is it known who occupied that cottage at the time?

by **Jill Havern** 28.06.20 15:23

Richard D. Hall's appeal for new information re Madeleine's Make-Up Photo and the thermometer on the wall - Page 16 Clubphase

From Mainline's link.

by **Mainline** 28.06.20 15:26

Thanks Jill, not sure why I couldnt get it to work.

LiR - According to the files it was vacant. I've not been able to find out anything about ownership.

by crispbee2000 28.06.20 18:38

There was a YouTube by someone called Maniccupcake that speculated (without corroborating I hasten to add- despite my pleas for them to do so....) that the cottage in the image was "Starfish Cottage" in The Club Phase of The Ocean Club, close to the Gorrod's apartment and near The Mill. They gave initials for the pair that owned it and some research by me pointed to a couple with the same initials that were both working in the Southend Clinical Commissioning Group as GP Governing body members. Note the medical connection (again). I'll not state their names publicly.

I have to wonder about Maniccupcake. If I was a trouble maker looking for a momentary piece of fame at the McCann's expense, how would I stumble across this particular cottage in Praia da Luz? There are LOADS of sub-let properties in the village. How would I find photos of guests at Starfish cottage (especially ones that under fuzzy out-focus could perceivably be taken for members of the T9 / T11)? Either Manic lives in Praia da Luz or has a close friend that does and is willing to spy for them. Or is Manic an MI5 operative that is pissed with the official narrative and wants to spread some clues around under a false identity? Or perhaps they are part of the disinformation machine sponsored by the UK authorities to head sleuths off into a cul-de-sac? Who knows? But without any answers we can only speculate.

by crusader 29.06.20 17:04

@Tony Bennett

It would appear that Jon Corner did indeed have photo's of Madeleine.
In Rachael Oldfield's Rogatory statement she said she had been on the phone to the BBC early on 4th May and they wanted a photo of Madeleine. She phoned Jon Corner, using Kate's phone around 8am because he had some photo's that he was going to be able to send to them.

by **sharonl** 29.06.20 20:18

@crusader wrote:@Tony Bennett

It would appear that Jon Corner did indeed have photo's of Madeleine.
In Rachael Oldfield's Rogatory statement she said she had been on the phone to the BBC early on 4th May and they wanted a photo of Madeleine. She phoned Jon Corner, using Kate's phone around 8am because he had some photo's that he was going to be able to send to them.

Why couldn't the McCanns produce a photograph? Didn't they have any holiday photos on their mobiles, camera or even on Gerry's Laptop?

by crusader 29.06.20 20:32

Photographs of Madeleine were as rare as hens teeth that week.

by **sharonl** 29.06.20 20:41

@crusader wrote:Photographs of Madeleine were as rare as hens teeth that week.

Strange. How many parents of young children do not have pictures of them on their mobiles, Cameras, laptops, social media sites.

And why go to Jon Corner? How come he had the pictures of Madeleine at that point? Where did he get them from? Did he already have them? If so, why?

Most people would have called a grandparent.

by cookiemuncher 29.06.20 21:09

@sharonl wrote:
@crusader wrote:Photographs of Madeleine were as rare as hens teeth that week.

Strange. How many parents of young children do not have pictures of them on their mobiles, Cameras, laptops, social media sites.

And why go to Jon Corner? How come he had the pictures of Madeleine at that point? Where did he get them from? Did he already have them? If so, why?

Most people would have called a grandparent.

There were the postcard sized photos of Madeleine that were distributed apparently from a printer that belonged to the boyfriend of one of the MW "nannies". The PJ wanted to forensically test the printer but it mysteriously disappeared to France along with the boyfriend before the PJ could get their hands on it. The photos that were distributed to find "missing" Madeleine looked nothing like the photos that eventually emerged of Madeleine playing in the playground of the complex in the playhouse when she had much longer hair and those trousers on which I thought were patches at first but were flowers or something sewn on to them.

Why distribute photos of your missing child that don't look anything like her?????????? That is the big question especially when you can find ones later that do.

by crusader 29.06.20 21:28

Ive been trying to find which photographs the BBC used. Did Rachael ask Kate about a photograph for the BBC and Kate told her to contact Jon Corner using her phone as Corners number would be in it?
The mind boggles.
It's strange that Kate thought of Corner as the "go to" person for photographs so soon after Madeleine disappeared.
It would appear from the night of the 3rd May, Photographs of Madeleine played an important part in the deception.

by **Verdi** 30.06.20 1:46

@crusader wrote:@Tony Bennett

It would appear that Jon Corner did indeed have photo's of Madeleine.
In Rachael Oldfield's Rogatory statement she said she had been on the phone to the BBC early on 4th May and they wanted a photo of Madeleine. She phoned Jon Corner, using Kate's phone around 8am because he had some photo's that he was going to be able to send to them.

Friday 4th May 2007

The texts and phone calls kept coming. By this time our friend Jon Corner, a creative director in media production in Liverpool, was circulating photographs and video footage of Madeleine to the police, Interpol and broadcasting and newspaper news desks. This was in accordance with the standard advice of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in the US, which advocates getting an image of a missing child into the public domain as soon as possible.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

by **Verdi** 30.06.20 1:52

@Sharonl wrote:Why couldn't the McCanns produce a photograph? Didn't they have any holiday photos on their mobiles, camera

A week had now passed since Madeleine’s abduction. Later that day, Thursday 10 May, the Portuguese police held a press conference, at which they released a photograph of a pair of the same Marks and Spencer pyjamas Madeleine had been wearing and confirmed that they were winding down the ground search.
Meanwhile, Gerry and I, along with a couple of our friends, were called back to the police station in Portimão. The police were much friendlier on this occasion and the junior officers, at least, gave the impression that by this time they were working very hard. Gerry was taken in to be interviewed while I remained downstairs. I made use of the long wait I anticipated by sitting down with a notebook, pen and my camera, containing dated photographs of the holiday, and trying to write a detailed account of everything that had happened the week before.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

eyebrows

by **Verdi** 30.06.20 2:44

@crusader wrote:Ive been trying to find which photographs the BBC used. Did Rachael ask Kate about a photograph for the BBC and Kate told her to contact Jon Corner using her phone as Corners number would be in it?
The mind boggles.
It's strange that Kate thought of Corner as the "go to" person for photographs so soon after Madeleine disappeared.
It would appear from the night of the 3rd May, Photographs of Madeleine played an important part in the deception.

Rachael Oldfield rogatory interview - April 2008

I remember having, sort of being on the phone a little bit to the BBC I think that morning, erm and then sort of various phone calls, I talked to John CORNER who's a friend of Gerry and Kate's, erm cos the BBC wanted a picture of Madeleine, erm and he had some photos that he was going to be able to send them

Back on topic now please good people!

Particular photographs can be discussed on the appropriate current active thread, or here if commentary is general..

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14726-photographs-revisited-general

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by gilly 30.06.20 8:17

@Verdi wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
Richard D Hall wrote:I'm appealing today if anyone has knowledge of where these types of thermometer may have been installed. Remember this in 2007 and the likely location is in the algarve, possibly in or near praia da luz. If you can recall seeing this kind of thermometer or that type on that coloured textured background or have photographs, please get in touch.

NB: The hair adornment is completely different to that shown in the poolside photograph. One is a ribbony bow thing and the other is an elasticy band thing. Both pink granted but she was a little girl - they love anything pink.

@Verdi, your comment above is not based on evidence.

I have viewed hundreds of photos of Madeleine, as no doubt you also have.

I have only ever seen ONE other photo of her with a hair bead.

It would be a remarkable coincidence if she just 'happens' to have been wearing pink bow/bands on the very same day (29 April 2007), as some suggest.

This photo interests people. For that reason alone, the discussion here on it should continue
@Tony, the evidence is in the documented images..

An elastic tie

A bow

Another taken from Jon Corner's video

I made no comment about other photographs showing Madeleine with pink hair adornment - I said ....

NB: The hair adornment is completely different to that shown in the poolside photograph. One is a ribbony bow thing and the other is an elasticy band thing. Both pink granted but she was a little girl- they love anything pink

.... as you have quoted in your reply.

Add to that, I'm not trying to shut down discussion about the image showing Madeleine with blue smudges over her eyes, which as I said, I don't think is genuine, I'm merely pointing out the appeal made by Richard D Hall - the subject of this thread, has exhausted itself.

The subject being the thing on the wall behind Madeleine's head.

Is it possible on the picture of Madeleine with make up that the blue behind her is not a chair but I think it looks like someones shoulder and it's a blue shirt. So she would be sat on someone knee!

by Silentscope 04.09.20 18:53

Richard D. Hall's appeal for new information re Madeleine's Make-Up Photo and the thermometer on the wall - Page 16 Ba585658-d56c-4fa9-aa8f-5912368da319

Is this photo an original or a composite version?

Do the reflections in the window help?

by MTSTAR 04.09.20 19:05

@Silentscope wrote:

Is this photo an original or a composite version?

Do the reflections in the window help?

This has probably been mentioned before so apologies but I can’t help thinking that Madeleine looks older in the ‘makeup’ photo. Her hair looks longer too. Some of it has come through from the back and is resting on her shoulder on one side. Sorry if I’m going over old ground here.

by Silentscope 04.09.20 19:48

Early image checks reveal reflection of a Person sitting on a bench opposite, there appears to be a television running inside the room.

Reflections of a building opposite the Balcony.

Checking known locations in the Area now.

by Silentscope 04.09.20 21:56

Last poolside photo shoulders down Is inverted.

Neck up has been added from Makeup photo.

Appears that one image has been added to another.

But is the neck down Photo the Original?

by Silentscope 04.09.20 22:13

Richard D. Hall's appeal for new information re Madeleine's Make-Up Photo and the thermometer on the wall - Page 16 47cee610

04.09.2020

by **Verdi** 04.09.20 22:14

What on earth are you talking about Silentscope.

Secondthoughts, please don't bother to answer just look at the title of the thread and reflect on that.

Re: Richard D. Hall's appeal for new information re Madeleine's Make-Up Photo and the thermometer on the wall

If you wish to discuss general matters relative to Madeleine McCann photographs, please do so here..

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14726-photographs-revisited-general?highlight=photographs

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