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Post by ChippyM on 22.01.18 14:33

I'm pretty sure the Paul Grover question has been answered before on the forum.

   If we just applied logic only and didn't ask him.....how logical is it that a newspaper photographer called Paul Grover has been following around one family on different occasions to take all their family photos for years? - it isn't.

  If we were going down the 'totally tinfoil' rabbit hole and decide he was employed right from the start by a sinister government entity that were plotting the disappearance of a small girl for years before it actually happened - then why would they have all the photographs done by one bloke?  - they wouldn't (see question 1).

 Is it logical that press photographers copyright images they have exclusive access to?  - yes.


EDIT to add ,   a member asked Paul Grover about the images in 2011, he said they were copied from a family member's album and that he did not take them!

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Post by crispbee2000 on 02.04.20 16:07

@Verdi wrote:Yes, there are scores of them and Richard D Hall's contact clearly took the trouble to research thermometers, in quest of something that might vaguely look like the thing fixed to the wall behind Madeleine's head.  Without something positive to determine whether or not it is a thermometer, the subject remains in limbo..

https://www.thermometerspecialist.co.uk/outdoor-thermometers

Richard D Hall has asked if anyone has any knowledge that might confirm one way or the other.  Let's hope there is someone out there who knows but I have my doubts, only because the Madeleine image is not clear enough to be sure - an eye witness is required, preferably with a camera to hand.  Get'emGonçalo has suggested on another thread that, being a resident of the area, Sergey Malinka might be in a position to oblige.  Good thinking!

I purchased one of the range of thermometers in question. Using the size of Madeleine's iris in the photo and mocking up the scene at home I photographed the thermometer on the wall behind the subject. If we assume the thermometer to be at average adult eye level for reading and the camera to be below Madeleine's face, we get a reasonable mock-up. What I would say is, there are variations of material and colour of these thermometers, so this isn't an exact science. However, looking at the scale and features, if this was a fingerprint, I'd be convinced. If we assume some shadow cast on the original (I couldn't replicate shadows in the dull UK sunshine), it's almost identical. The one thing that bugs me is the blurred nature of the scale numbers on the original. Bearing in mind the whole image is low resolution, the main body of the thermometer looks more sharp than the numbers. In photographic terms, they are at the same distance and so should be identical in respect to the level of focus and thus sharpness. I've tried hard to replicate by using different blurring / softening techniques to the whole of my photo of my thermometer, but I cannot understand why the numbers would look like a "blob" compared to the vertical body of the thing. I'm doing more work on the image generally - it has to have doctored around the neck area, so perhaps someone selectively blurred the numbers and not the body of the thermometer. If so why? If you were worried about it, just clone the thermometer out - job done. I will continue and update if I find more......
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Post by ROSA on 05.04.20 5:15

@worriedmum wrote:Richard D. Hall's appeal for new information re Madeleine's Make-Up Photo and the thermometer on the wall - Page 13 Has%2BThis%2BLittle%2BGirl%2BBeen%2BStrangled%2BTo%2BDeath
I have brought this over from an old thread about Burgau. It's not very nice to look at , but I wanted to know if the shapes we can'see' in the room are poorly blacked out shapes or are an anomaly when it is blown up?

And look under each ear. There's a purple coloured oval shape under each lobe. Earrings? Some-one's fingers?
I was the person who posted this awful image in the Burgau thread a lot of photoshop has been done on the original image as you can see from this .The blue part of the image could be someone's clothing a T shirt perhaps and they are sitting behind Maddie to the right using their arm to hold back Maddies head the bow in her hair could be fingertips not sure .

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Post by crusader on 05.04.20 9:00

The blue (thing) behind Madeleine could be the top of a child's sand shovel propped against the wall.
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Post by crispbee2000 on 06.04.20 11:23

@ROSA wrote:
@worriedmum wrote:Richard D. Hall's appeal for new information re Madeleine's Make-Up Photo and the thermometer on the wall - Page 13 Has%2BThis%2BLittle%2BGirl%2BBeen%2BStrangled%2BTo%2BDeath
I have brought this over from an old thread about Burgau. It's not very nice to look at , but I wanted to know if the shapes we can'see' in the room are poorly blacked out shapes or are an anomaly when it is blown up?

And look under each ear. There's a purple coloured oval shape under each lobe. Earrings? Some-one's fingers?
I was the person who posted this awful image in the Burgau thread a lot of photoshop has been done on the original image as you can see from this .The blue part of the image could be someone's clothing a T shirt perhaps and they are sitting behind Maddie to the right using their arm to hold back Maddies head the bow in her hair could be fingertips not sure .
I'd be YERY careful when looking at this image and seeing things in it. In short I've only ever seen screen captures taken from the video (has anyone any knowledge of a direct "still" version?). All such captures are very low resolution and will have a lot of jpeg compression artefacts in them. The compression algorithms try to approximate areas of low detail and create blocks of colour as giant pixels that were NOT there originally. That said, there's potential signs of image tampering in the detailed areas that cannot be attributed to compression. I would say that the indentation to the neck on the left side of the image is one such anomaly. I would also look at the left ear. There is a heavy shadow cropping the top of her ear that cannot be explained by the position of the hair. Again, this has nothing to do with compression or other resolution. There's shadow detail on her left cheek that shows that there are multiple light sources. I don't believe anything about this image at "face value", puns intended. I certainly don't see it as a "snap-shot" taken candidly in natural light, as would be expected of a child caught in the innocent act of playing.
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Post by Verdi on 06.04.20 22:09

@crusader wrote:The blue (thing) behind Madeleine could be the top of a child's sand shovel propped against the wall.

Have you read through this entire thread crusader?

If not, I suggest you do thumbsup !

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Post by crusader on 06.04.20 22:51

Yes Ive read it, I don't believe I can add anything of any relevance, apart from I don't believe its a thermometer.
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Post by Jill Havern on 06.04.20 23:21

Who said the blue thing is a thermometer?

The thing that's being debated as being a thermometer is the black thing on the wall above the blue thing that quite clearly isn't a thermometer.

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Post by crusader on 06.04.20 23:39

I'm not talking about the blue thing now, I mean the thing on the wall is not a thermometer in my opinion. But then again, I know sod all.
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Post by Jill Havern on 06.04.20 23:52

Sorry, my bad. And thanks for the clarification. I got confused because in one post you were talking about the blue thing being the top of a child's sand shovel - then said you didn't think it was a thermometer.

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Post by crusader on 06.04.20 23:57

I blame the covonia. laugh
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Post by Verdi on 07.04.20 1:29

I'm frankly at a loss to understand why this defunct thread has been resurrected.

Richard D Hall appealed for new information about the 'make-up image' and the thermometre on the wall a very long time ago. As can be seen, the matter was discussed at great lengths without any constructive conclusions.

Richard D Hall has moved on - I think CMOMM should do the same. At least until such times as someone can produce evidence of where and when the image originated. In my view that's very unlikely.

When out and about tomorrow I'll take a look around. If I see anything that could throw any light on the subject I'll take a shot and upload here.

Oh no sorry, I can't do that can I roll .

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Post by worriedmum on 07.04.20 10:57

I think it's important that old threads like this do get an airing- there are always new visitors to the site and I also like to think it's never a bad thing for certain others who may monitor the site to know that we may be discussing other things but that we are very meticulous.
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Post by crispbee2000 on 11.04.20 13:39

@worriedmum wrote:I think it's important that old threads like this do get an airing- there are always new visitors to the site and I also like to think it's never a bad thing for certain others who may monitor the site to know that we may be discussing other things but that we are very meticulous.
I agree worried mum. As there has never been any conclusion as to the proving or dis-proving of where and when the makeup photo was taken, we should keep looking at the issue and try to move it forward. I understand the frustration of many with the expectation of someone finding an alien face or the crying Madonna within the spooky pixels of this mucked about image (I guess that it's only a matter of time....), but we should keep on enquiring. I have to admit at some level of defeat. I had researched the area of ageing a child from the ratio of iris to head width (as eyes hardly grow at all and heads do), in the hope that I could determine the age in the photograph. However, without scientific recognition s/w it has proved impossible to achieve that. Indeed, as the family claim that the image was taken weeks before the holiday, the chances of dating the photo by those means to the exact time of the holiday are VERY remote. That said, I think that the thermometer could still play a part. To my mind the makeup photo appears to be taken outside. The inclusion of a wall thermometer (if proven) would reinforce that point. The clothing as evidenced by the pink strap could also point to a child being photographed outside in weather that was more akin to Sunday the 29th in Praia da Luz, than say, an early April day in the UK (even though the Uk was having a warmer than average month in 2007). But this is all inconclusive...….  I've also looked at the mystery blue object. I've looked at the typical radius of a shoulder (blue shirt), trawled for beach toys (spades, bodyboards, etc.), plastic chairs, parasol bases et al and I've drawn a blank on this blue object. Hopefully someone out there can shed something new that finally leads us out of the darkness on this photograph(?)
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Post by Verdi on 11.04.20 16:17

If you care to trawl through this entire thread, you will see the subject has been flogged to death with little or no positive outcome.  In short - it's been played out!

You're dogged determination is commendable crispbee2000 and as always, I wish you every success with your meticulous ventures.

Your observations on the make-up photograph so far, are no further advanced than when the thread was initiated over two years ago.  Perhaps you could report back when you've got something positive to offer.  Thanks.

Good luck thumbsup !

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Post by Woof Woof on 13.04.20 0:54

how can anyone believe it is a thermometer???? its a one-way hook style hanging basket bracket similar to this one:

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Post by Verdi on 13.04.20 1:57

Realistically it could be anything i don\'t know .

The image however will never be unraveled.

The original source of the image I believe..

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The image is surreal!

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Post by crusader on 13.04.20 8:08

The McCann's are surely aware of this forum and R.D Hall, they are probably having a good laugh everyday.What is clear is they don't want Madeleine found.
They use titles like "Leave no stone unturned" but when it comes down to it they are cementing the stones down.
They have spent hundreds of thousands of pounds, donated by the public on Private Detectives, but pour scorn on forums like this who want nothing more than to find their Daughter.
They know where the make up photo was taken, why the silence, I for one think it is just a little girl and her Mummy, playing.
Why feed the conspiracy?
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