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Post by Anon32 on 11.12.17 14:12

To be honest I don't think anything in that picture is legit ito the objects around her. Either they have been pasted in or she has.....Look at the odd white/cream line just above the paddle (paddle for argument's sake) It looks pasted in. Bottom line is that she looks dead or very badly abused and drugged. Why is her right nostril misshaped and not like in all her other photos? Eitherway I don't think it should even matter at all where this photo was taken as we will not know. They have edited one crucial photo so they could have done with all. What we need to concentrate on is her appearance and that it def looks like it was taken in or after her last days and she definitely did not raid any make up boxes. It was strategically applied. Even if she applied it herself and mommy caught her out and thought it was so cute that she took a photo of it...then WHY:

1) Does the child look so distressed
2) Has a blank catatonic stare
3) Picture taken from a very odd angle
4) Her right nostril?
5) Why the need to post it so much later 
6) Clearly blackout and edited


Also..The PJ needed DNA from Maddie for forensic testing. Why didn't they find or got given the "hair bead" or more so the elastic band that was in her hair on the day that they supposedly removed from her hair that afternoon?
Why did Gerry have to fly back to UK to get DNA from their residence?
Where was all the other holiday clothes she wore from the moment they arrived? Kate definitely did'nt do washing on holiday and if she did why was anything after the fact..Unless to destroy evidence..Any other parent would not think twice to immediately give all photos and in best quality and clothing items, toiletries or anything she would have come into contact with.

Another extremely important point....:
Kate says cuddlecat is her favourite toy and has been since birth and she always has it on hand. Then why when we look at all her photos we do not see this "companion"of her once in her arms or around and in one specific photo where she is about 2 Gerry has her on his back/neck for a piggy back and she is clutching a brown bear? So much for the beloved cuddlecat......
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Post by Rob Royston on 11.12.17 14:18

@MayMuse wrote:
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@worriedmum wrote:Regarding the suggestion that the the metallic object is a winch handle for the sun canopy, you can see that the winch handle is further along the wall in the picture of the Gorrod's apartment. I think that a thermometer is a very plausible possibility because it is asymmetrical and so is the object on the wall.

There are a lot of buildings reflected in the 'happy Gerry' patio windows, including what looks like a tower;are there any towers on the complex?

The top of the wall on the 'Gerry' video  appears to be straight. He is conducting a conversation with someone inside the building, and the blonde lady is standing behind him. If you look at the wall closest to the patio doors, it is higher and curved on the Gorrod's apartment next to the patio doors.
You're right. I see the winding crank for the canopy at C5C is on the outside wall. I had imagined that the canopy would be fixed to the brick/concrete wall but it looks like it is attached to the facia board below the gutter. It looks like quite a thick facia so maybe made that way on purpose. So the item at C5C, is it a lamp or some kind of washing line holder? I see another one at the other end of the doors although it looks slightly different. Interestingly the reflection of the item is shown in the closed door. It looks like the top piece is much further off the wall than the tube.
The 'happy Gerry' patio windows have many sections. C5C only has the two panels, so it looks like it cannot be the location.
From my observation the sections are only because the patio doors are part in an open position the other photo show. them fully closed, this could give the appearance of panels couldnt it? They are also the only patio doors can find which have a black trim to match as are not the complex located ones plain white ?
Coincidentally, most of the other apartments to the left of this one have more sections in the doors, sometimes four or five. The Google Street View is dated 2014. This location is right next to a gate in the fence at the tennis courts (think Gerry, think tennis balls photo), this gate was there on 22nd June 2007 as far as I can see on Google Earth. 
Google does not capture a canopy in the older years, it could just be rolled up that morning in 2007 as the sun was still in the East, so quite early. The 2006 imagery was very poor.
Re the thermometer, could it have been replaced by whatever is seen in 2014 Street View? Maybe shifted to a different location? I wonder what date Ben Thomson got his picture?
The doors to C5C are shown with what appears to be the left one open although it may be the shadow of the light.
You can also see the big table and chairs out on the L-shaped verandah, so the projection shown in the picture could work.
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Post by Rob Royston on 11.12.17 15:06

@JRP wrote:@Rob Royston

Can you screen grab this 200% version of the Echo image showing stitching and post it up so we can see it... ta!
Let's see what happens. I can see the lines at 150%. Looking at my shirts mine only have stitching at the bottom line. The material just folds underneath the top line. Maybe that's all it is or else it's an expensive shirt with extra stitching. Use posts #172 or #177. I've got this at 150% and find that I can get a clearer view by moving my head in and out. after 200% it breaks up badly,

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Post by Verdi on 11.12.17 15:07

@Anon32 wrote:Eitherway I don't think it should even matter at all where this photo was taken as we will not know. They have edited one crucial photo so they could have done with all.
Hello Anon32 and welcome to the forum thumbsup .

I quite agree, it can never be determined with any degree of certainty where, when and why this image was taken or created.  You only need look at the progression of this thread to see how easy it is to alter an image.  Once published on the internet it's there for eternity, every single version adapted from an original and every single altered image propagated across cyberspace ad infinitum.

The answer is the hands of Jon Corner and the McCanns only.  Chances of them ever revealing anything even remotely close to the truth hovers around zero.

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Post by Verdi on 11.12.17 21:36

I pay no heed to the claim about Madeleine raiding mummy's make-up box only weeks before Madeleine was snatched from her bed, simply because it's a press report, as with so many claims relative to this saga, they never come directly from the mouth of the McCanns themselves.

What is interesting to me however is something on public record - Jon Corner's infamous video was first shown during the Madeleine McCann campaign's 1,000th day fund raising celebrity bash held at Richard Branson's exclusive Kensington Roof Gardens in west London in January 2010.  I can't vouch for this information as it's again taken from a press report but if there is any truth in the report it certainly raises an eyebrow or three.

Madeleine McCann: Kate and Gerry mark 1,000 days since disappearance.


7:30AM GMT 27 Jan 2010

The couple are commemorating the sad day with a fund-raising event attended by their celebrity supporters in London.

In a statement released to coincide with the anniversary, the McCanns admitted that nothing has changed for them since the ''terrifying'' night when their daughter Madeleine went missing.

They said it sometimes felt wrong that they were coping with life without Madeleine – but added that otherwise there would be no search for the little girl.

In a poignant statement they said: ''Today marks 1,000 days since Madeleine was taken from us. It's hard to even say the number.

"We remember the first few days after Madeleine was taken, watching the clock and counting every hour. Now we've reached 1,000 days.

"It's difficult sometimes to understand how we've been able to keep going and survive without Madeleine, especially since nothing has changed since that terrifying first night.

''Madeleine is still missing. Sometimes it even feels wrong to be coping.

''And yet if we weren't, there would be no search and no campaign to find Madeleine and that just doesn't bear thinking about.''

Madeleine was nearly four when she disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in southern Portugal on May 3 2007 while her parents dined with friends nearby.

About 180 guests are expected to attend the McCanns' £150-a-head fund-raising dinner, raffle and auction at Kensington Roof Gardens in west London tonight.

It is understood that those invited include Sir Richard Branson, who owns the exclusive venue, Harry Potter author JK Rowling and the couple's millionaire backer Brian Kennedy.

Half the money raised will go to the McCanns' fund to find Madeleine, and the other half will be split between the charities Missing People and Missing Children Europe.

A new poem about Madeleine by Simon Armitage called 'The Beacon', which was especially written for today's 1,000-day landmark, is expected to be read at the event.

The McCanns, both 41, from Rothley, Leicestershire, said of the poem: ''We think it is an incredible and really beautiful sonnet.

"It manages to convey so accurately and succinctly both our darker moments and the reality of hope and possibility, as well as including powerful and touching references to Madeleine."

Meanwhile the paper lanterns will be launched at 7.30pm British time from about 20 different locations in Britain, Portugal and the US, including Praia da Luz, Rothley and Mrs McCann's home town of Liverpool.

Mr and Mrs McCann are taking legal action against Goncalo Amaral, the former head of the Portuguese police investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.

They have been granted a temporary injunction on his book, Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie, which claims their daughter died in her family's holiday flat on the day she went missing.

Earlier this month the couple flew to Lisbon to hear Mr Amaral attempt to overturn the ban in the Portuguese capital's main civil court. The judge is expected to rule on the case next month.

The McCanns are also seeking 1.2 million euros (£1.08 million) in compensation for defamation in separate proceedings in Portugal against the former detective.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7080338/Madeleine-McCann-Kate-and-Gerry-mark-1000-days-since-disappearance.html

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Post by Verdi on 13.12.17 15:42

Thursday, 27 December 2007


A strange picture of Madeleine, from Paul Grover (*)


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Is this the same Paul Grover from Rex Features, "Britain's leading independent photographic press agency and picture library, supplying a daily service of news, celebrity, features, and stock photos to all national newspapers, magazines, TV, web and other media in the UK and in more than 30 countries worldwide"? Or is it just a coincidence? The picture was posted at one of the several sites organized and promoted by a McCann special support group, a secret organization which has members in more than 25 countries. The site was set up on May 9th, just six days after Madeleine McCann disappeared.
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Who was custodian of all Madeleine McCann imagery?  Yes, it was Jon Corner !!!

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And Gunnill also works for Rex Features and had photos of Jimmy Saville's beloved Haute de la Garenne on his website.
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Post by Verdi on 13.12.17 21:25

Was it ever established beyond reasonable doubt that the photographer responsible for these quasi-pornographic photographs of Madeleine McCann was indeed Paul Grover of Rex Features?

I remember in the early days there was much controversy about this subject but I don't think it was ever resolved conclusively.  I've been having a rummage about but can't find anything of use.

A pseudonym back in 2011 claimed to have contact with Paul Grover of Rex Features, who emphatically denied having taken the pictures - working for the Telegraph he apparently claimed that the photographs came from a McCann grandmother's family album and the Telegraph must have been responsible for how they were published.  Then 'n agin, he ain't going to admit it if he was up to no good is he.

Pull the other one but for the fact that the alleged contact with the said pseudonym, seemed a trifle unreal.  Who can be trusted in this web of deceit?  Without an official source to confirm, I find everything and everybody suspicious.  Years of studying this case has taught me to be ultra cautious in every respect - trust no one until they have proved themselves to be trustworthy, even then proceed with caution.

Having said that, the photographs/images do exist whoever was responsible for their origin and uncle Jon Corner, by his own admission, was chef of all Madeleine images !!!

A child beauty pageant star (?) could warrant a notorious professional photographer but a child of a couple of little englanders?  I don't think so!  Unless......

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Is it possible that Paul Grover took the Make-Up Photo in Praia da Luz? Was he there on that holiday?
Why did this celebrity photographer take so many photographs of the McCanns? 


Tony Bennett has given me permission to tell forum members that he has actually met Paul Grover in the flesh. The occasion was in January 2012 when Tony had to attend the High Court after the McCanns applied to commit him to prison. He was interviewed by Robert Mendick of the Daily Telegraph and was photographed outside the High Court by none other than celebrity photographer Paul Grover!  Tony knew all about Grover's many photos of Madeleine and the McCanns, some of which have proved controversial. Tony says he was too stunned to ask Grover about why the McCanns kept on using his services for family photo.



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Retired lawyer faces jail for 'harassing' Kate and Gerry McCann

A retired lawyer who has repeatedly accused Kate and Gerry McCann of covering up their daughter Madeleine's death is facing jail for harassment.

 
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8:20AM GMT 29 Jan 2012
For almost five years, Kate and Gerry McCann have suffered the anguish of not knowing what happened to their daughter Madeleine.

Through it all, they have also had to contend with a sustained campaign of harassment conducted by a small band of fanatics convinced they had a hand in their daughter's disappearance.

Now, one of their main tormentors is facing jail for refusing to leave the McCanns' alone.

Tony Bennett has waged a campaign since 2007 against the couple – repeatedly accusing them of covering up the girl's death in leaflets, books and on internet postings.

On one occasion, the Madeleine Foundation, which he runs, handed out 1,500 pamphlets in Rothley, the couple's home village in Leicestershire, entitled "10 key reasons which suggest she was not abducted."
Another booklet has been posted by registered delivery to the McCanns' home.

Next month, a court will decide whether to jail Mr Bennett, 64, for contempt of court.

The action is being brought by Mr and Mrs McCann who have grown increasingly disturbed by Mr Bennett's attacks on them.

Mr Bennett is accused of flouting an agreement in the High Court – made in November 2009 – that he would stop repeating allegations that the McCanns were in some way involved in their daughter's abduction.

Since then, Mr Bennett, a grandfather-of-two from Harlow in Essex, who is obsessed with the case, has posted on the subject of Madeleine McCann's disappearance an astonishing 3,800 times on one website alone.

Lawyers acting for the McCanns accuse him of breaching the undertaking on at least 149 occasions. The list of alleged breaches is not exhaustive.

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "This has gone on for a long time and Kate and Gerry now feel enough is enough. It is obviously very distressing for them. The fact they are taking legal action speaks for itself.
"Tony Bennett is his own worst enemy by persistently doing what he does, he has brought this action on himself."

The couple, both doctors, live in hope their daughter may still be alive and continue the search for her.

A Metropolitan police review of the evidence, put together by Portuguese detectives, continues but is not thought to have produced any significant new leads in the search for Madeleine.

A draft order seen by The Sunday Telegraph, which a judge is expected to rule upon at a hearing in February, includes an option for Mr Bennett to be "committed to HM Prison for a period" to be determined.

Mr Bennett could also be fined and ordered to pay costs that are likely to bankrupt him.

The undertaking Mr Bennett signed – he will now claim he only agreed it under duress – prevents him from making a number of claims in relation to Madeleine's disappearance from her parents' holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on May 3rd 2007.

At the time she was just a three-year-old.

The agreement signed in court states: "The defendant [Mr Bennett] undertakes not to repeat allegations that the claimants are guilty of, or are to be suspected of, causing the death of their daughter Madeleine McCann; and/ or of disposing of her body and/ or of lying about what happened and/ or of seeking to cover up what they had done."

The undertaking also included the destruction of a book "What really happened to Madeleine McCann? 60 key reasons which suggest that she was not abducted" and a leaflet "What really happened to Madeleine McCann? 10 key reasons which suggest that she was not abducted."

But since that November 2009 undertaking, Mr Bennett has continued many of his activities.

The list of 149 alleged breaches, compiled by the McCanns' lawyers Carter Ruck, includes a book: "The Madeleine McCann Case Files: Volume 1" and a series of postings on the social networking website Twitter.

Mr Bennett runs the Madeleine Foundation, whose website has been subject to scrutiny by the McCanns' legal team, while also putting up 3,800 posts on another website The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann at a rate of about five a day.

Speaking to The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Bennett was largely unrepentant and seemingly happy to repeat some of the allegations that put him under threat of contempt.

He first became interested in the case while watching it unfold on television in 2007.

He attempted to bring a private prosecution against the couple in November 2007 for child neglect – on the grounds the couple were eating dinner with friends when Madeleine was abducted – but the case was thrown out in a magistrates' court.

Mr Bennett said: "I have done my best to comply with the undertaking but I would argue to the courts it was an unreasonably wide undertaking to sign.

"In the last two years I have not written specifically about the details of how she [Madeleine] might have died or how the body was hidden.

"It is my sincere conviction that one day I will be proved right. I truly believe that one day the truth will be told. And yes I am risking a breach of the order by saying that."

Asked how he felt about harassing a couple, grieving over the disappearance of their daughter, Mr Bennett replied: "The thing that came closest to harassment was when we distributed the '10 reasons' leaflet in Leicestershire in August 2009.

"Three of my colleagues in the Madeleine Foundation distributed a small quantity of leaflets in Rothley. I would honestly say that perhaps that was a leaflet distribution too far.

"If Madeleine was abducted I would accept what I have done is a wicked campaign of harassment. If I am wrong I am evil. But if I am right, I am a victim of simply having the desire to pursue the truth."



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Paul Grover has certainly been in The Algarve as he has taken pictures in Albufeira to accompany a Telegraph piece about Cliff Richard and sex abuse allegations
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I maintain the conviction that these images came from Jon Corner and/or his May 2010 appeal vodeo - not photographed by Paul Grover.

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Post by skyrocket on 14.12.17 16:43

The format of the name 'Paul Grover' on some versions of the 'paddling pool' photo (I've called it this as in wider versions the rh side is clearly inflated) is very similar to that found on the 'skirting board' photo i.e. same (or very similar) font/size/colour; rhs edge location. I think it is quite possible that Grover took at least both these shots. Perhaps we should be asking when he took the shot of Madeleine in the pool?

The Telegraph credit Paul Grover with the 'Paddling Pool' photo:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11240732/Madeleine-McCann-Police-want-to-speak-to-Robert-Murat-as-part-of-ongoing-investigation.html

Madeleine McCann: Police want to speak to Robert Murat as part of ongoing investigation

Robert Murat says his conscience is clear and he is happy to cooperate with the ongoing investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

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Madeleine McCann vanished from the Praia da Luz resort on May 3, 2007 Photo: Paul Grover

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Post by sar on 14.12.17 17:44

given the eventual circumstances an alarming series of photos
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Post by MRNOODLES on 14.12.17 22:11

I'd like to offer my thoughts on the blue object. And perspective. Say MM is seated and the pic was taken from somebody lolloping on the floor. The blue object imo might not be long enough for a paddle. In which case, I suggest it could be a flipper.
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Post by Julie R on 14.12.17 22:37

Forgive me, and no disrespect, but what could finding out the blue 'object' potentially achieve?
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@Julie R wrote:Forgive me, and no disrespect, but what could finding out the blue 'object' potentially achieve?
The little bit of blue seen in the ambiguous 'make-up' image (I'm careful not to say photograph) could be anything - there is no way it can be identified as a a particular object any more than the fixture on the wall can be identified as a particular object with any degree of certainty.

I take this opportunity to welcome you to the forum Julie R thumbsup , I look forward to your further contribution.

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Post by NickE on 15.12.17 13:30

@MRNOODLES wrote:I'd like to offer my thoughts on the blue object. And perspective. Say MM is seated and the pic was taken from somebody lolloping on the floor. The blue object imo might not be long enough for a paddle. In which case, I suggest it could be a flipper.
There are paddles that you can split in two halfs for smother transport and there are also telescope paddles.

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Post by Sherlocks nephew on 15.12.17 22:31

Intriguing image. Could the wall 'object' be a lifehook pole? There seems to be a black (grip) handle of sorts at the bottom. The background of the image could be near a swimming pool?
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Post by Verdi on 16.12.17 1:49

I venture to suggest that the images of Madeleine attributed to Paul Grover - of Rex Features, were obtained by him, rather than taken by him.

If it is being presumed he physically took photographs of Madeleine, then he must have preempted her disappearance in order to take photographs for the Telegraph for any particular story. Otherwise he should be robustly questioned by the police as to why he is in possession of photographs of a child said to have been abducted by a paedophile.

Very unlikely I'm sure all would agree.

I don't believe for a moment that Paul Grover personally took any photographs of Madeleine McCann, I believe they came from a source close to the McCann family. If it can be proven otherwise, I'll eat my words.

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Post by NickE on 16.12.17 8:04

@Verdi wrote:I venture to suggest that the images of Madeleine attributed to Paul Grover - of Rex Features, were obtained by him, rather than taken by him.

If it is being presumed he physically took photographs of Madeleine, then he must have preempted her disappearance in order to take photographs for the Telegraph for any particular story.   Otherwise he should be robustly questioned by the police as to why he is in possession of photographs of a child said to have been abducted by a paedophile.

Very unlikely I'm sure all would agree.  

I don't believe for a moment that Paul Grover personally took any photographs of Madeleine McCann, I believe they came from a source close to the McCann family.  If it can be proven otherwise, I'll eat my words.
I read on this forum years ago that a poster did contact Grover through his website and asked him about these photos and according to the poster, Grover replied that he didn't take any photos of Madeleine, they gave him access to their photo albums.
This thread should still be on the forum somewhere.

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Post by BlueBag on 16.12.17 8:32

Yes, I think those seemingly Lolita photos ("god forgive" someone) are family or close family pictures.
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Post by skyrocket on 16.12.17 9:35

@Verdi the person sourcing a photo would never be credited. I remember the thread you're referring to @NickE, but why has Grover still not asked The Telegraph to remove his name from the online article? 

Just read the old thread, thanks @GeG. 'Grover' doesn't appear particularly articulate for a well-travelled, photographer to the stars.

The more I look at all the photos, 'Lolita' style doesn't come across anywhere in the Mc's pictures of Madeleine - most are of a happy, young, active toddler. The few 'odd' shots are all around the same age and all posed. They stand out as different. They make me uncomfortable. And yet, the Mcs were quite happy to release them.

Yes @BlueBag - I do agree, these photos have to have been taken either by one of the Mcs or by someone close to the family (with full knowledge of the Mcs).

I hope this isn't going too far OT (sorry @GeG) - but @JRP or anyone else, could you take a look at the following photo of Madeleine and see if you can make out what she is holding up in her right hand. It looks like some sort of insignia? It's another 'odd' photo.
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Post by Verdi on 16.12.17 13:05

@NickE wrote:I read on this forum years ago that a poster did contact Grover through his website and asked him about these photos and according to the poster, Grover replied that he didn't take any photos of Madeleine, they gave him access to their photo albums.
Yes NickE, I addressed the issue up-page @ #234, only it most probably wasn't clear as I couldn't remember the user name of the person who allegedly contacted Paul Grover.  I quote..


@Verdi wrote:A pseudonym back in 2011 claimed to have contact with Paul Grover of Rex Features, who emphatically denied having taken the pictures - working for the Telegraph he apparently claimed that the photographs came from a McCann grandmother's family album and the Telegraph must have been responsible for how they were published.  Then 'n agin, he ain't going to admit it if he was up to no good is he.

Pull the other one but for the fact that the alleged contact with the said pseudonym, seemed a trifle unreal.  Who can be trusted in this web of deceit?  Without an official source to confirm, I find everything and everybody suspicious.  Years of studying this case has taught me to be ultra cautious in every respect - trust no one until they have proved themselves to be trustworthy, even then proceed with caution.



No way could the Telegraph's photojournalist have taken any photographs of Madeleine McCann - she had already vanished off the face of the earth when all these images came to life, no one had ever heard of Madeleine until the early hours of 4th May 2007.

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