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Post by Verdi 13.07.20 1:42

PHOTOS TAKEN BY JOAO  BARREIRAS  PJ OFFICER

Those are the photos taken by the PJ technician Joao Barreiras in the early hours of 4 May. There is a Statement referencing the activity and, from memory, he was/they were active between 01:00 and 03:30/04:00 taking pictures and doing the first fingerprint checks. statement links below.

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OBSERVATIONS AND ANALYSES PERFORMED -

On 4 May 2007, at 15:30, a Crime Scene team from the Police Science Laboratory, comprising the undersigned, went, at the request of DIC PJ Portimao, to a dwelling situated at Apartment 5A, of Block A of the tourist accommodation building, "Ocean Club" - Praia da Luz, Lagos, in order to perform a specialist examination of the location.There follow photograph displays of the exterior of the apartment to be examined as well as detail of the entrance thereto.

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Subject: Report of Searches Related to the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann


Annex B. Report on the Sniffer Dog Search and Rescue Team


1. Methods used

The sniffer dog search and rescue team of the GNR was sent to Vila da Luz in the attempt of locating Madeleine McCann, aged four, of British nationality, who disappeared on the night of 3rd May, from apartment 5 A, Block 5 of the OC resort, the team was composed as follows:


Sargeant Silva - Dog: Timmy
Officer Cortez - Dog: Sacha
Officer Sousa - Dog: Kolly/Cookie
Officer Rosa - Dog: Oscar
Officer Martins - Dog: Fusco
Officer Fernandes - Dog: Rex/ Zarus


II Description

After arriving at the scene, the first three members of the team, the officers gathered some information from the girl's parents about the places they tended to frequent with the children during their stay in P da L up until now, the parents replied that the only areas that their daughter would frequent since their arrival, was Praia da Luz beach, always accompanied by babysitters and resort pool area, where there was also a playground.

After this, at about 08.00 the three search and rescue sniffer dog teams (Silva with Timmy, Cortez with Sacha and Sousa with Kolly and Cookie) who had arrived at the site, began searching, leaving the resort in the direction of the beach.

During the entire morning, searches were made of the beach and rocks, from Rocha Negra to the area of Ponta da Gaviota (an approximate area of 2 km). During the morning searches were also made of the areas surrounding Praia da Luz, with a radius of about 300 metres, as well as some abandoned houses, wells and plots of land inside P da L.

After an evaluation of the situation in the field, it was decided to request two more search and rescue sniffer dogs from the GNR Queluz station, given the extent of the terrain to be searched, whilst the hypothesis that the girl could have left the apartment on foot was not discarded.

During the afternoon of 4th May, more searches were carried out around Vila da Luz and were extended to a radius of approximately 600 metres, including the surroundings of the EN125 in the stretch closed to P da L.

At about 23.00 the extra teams that had been requested for reinforcement arrived (Officer Rosa with Oscar and Officer Martins with Fusco, both from the search and rescue unit and Officer Fernandes with Rex and Zarus from the tracking team).

After the officers had been updated about facts relating to the disappearance, they tried to reconstruct the route the girl might have taken with the two tracker dogs. For this purpose the dogs were given a blanket to sniff, provided by the parents, which had been used by Madeleine.

Beginning to follow the track using Rex, from the door of apartment 5 A (the place where the girl had been sleeping) he would always head in the direction of Block 4, leaving block 5 the dog would turn to the left, pass by a metal access door to a path existing between the apartments blocks to the leisure area (restaurant, pool and playground). Immediately another attempt at reconstruction was made using the dog Zarus, who, in general terms, ended up following the same route as Rex and having the same behaviour.

It is important to state that this tracking work was carried out in an urban area and more than 24 hours after the girl's disappearance and numerous persons had passed along the path the dogs were tracking. It should also be stated that the path the dogs followed within the resort was practically totally surrounded by walls and the concentration of odours was stronger as they were protected from the wind. The searches finished at about 01.30

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The pink blanket is of no significance, unless you're looking to make something out of nothing.

Snr Amaral also later questioned the cots said to be used by the twins, as they had no bedding. Well, the twins were taken to the Payne's apartment wrapped in bedding quite early on the night of 3rd May/4th May 2007.

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Post by Flossy 16.07.20 22:16

Something I have been pondering....is there any record of what the Mccanns were wearing the night of the third May and if so, was that clothing submitted for forensics?
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Post by Verdi 16.07.20 22:25

Flossy wrote:Something I have been pondering....is there any record of what the Mccanns were wearing the night of the third May and if so, was that clothing submitted for forensics?

No, I don't believe there was any record of what the McCanns, or their friends (never forget them), were wearing on the night of 3rd May, or any other time/day during the week. If I remember rightly, that was one of Snr Amaral's concerns.

It is worthy of note that the Ocean Club laundry had receipt of items of clothing from the McCann family within hours of Kate McCann's alert on the night of Thursday 3rd May. Could of course be an innocent explanation, as suggested at one point by the official government media monitor, for their actions but it appears rather odd that they would send things to be laundered knowing full well there was an active police investigation into their child's disappearance.

I would think that to be the last thing on the mind.

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Post by pdlsleuth1990 16.07.20 22:49

I saw something on Youtube regarding what Kate was wearing on the night. Can't comment on the veracity of the statements,, but include Polumbo and the Mc Canns in the search and it might come up.
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Post by Verdi 17.07.20 1:04

Isn't Paulumbo one and the same as the prolific YouTuber who used to pose as Colombo?

Sadly, there are so many posers out there who have tried to capitalize on the name of Madeleine Mccann.  Call me old fashioned but I prefer to stick with fact, evidence and informed commentary, rather than an opportunist on a mission.

Again I say, as far as I recollect, there has been no mention of what Kate McCann was wearing on the night of 3rd May 2007 from any official source.  Aside, if Madeleine McCann 'disappeared' prior to the night of 3rd May, as available evidence strongly suggests, Kate McCann's attire on that night is not relevant.

Kate McCann's harlequin pants were the subject of some interest for Martin Grime and his canine team but I venture to suggest any scent picked-up by Eddie the EVRD was due to cross-contamination.

Apart from anything else, who - even hard faced Kate McCann, would wear the same trews on the family's return to the UK in September 2007, if they'd been wearing them when handling a corpse.  The corpse of their own child.

I don't buy it.  The harlequin pants would have been long since destroyed.

The night of 3rd May 2007 would appear to be a masquerade of deceit, so maybe the harlequin pants were a good marketing ploy after all.

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Post by Lance De Boils 17.07.20 8:30

Oh crikey - I haven't read this all yet. 
But what I'd be interested to know is, where's the sand? 
Is this referred to anywhere? 

Beach holidays, moreso with kids, result in sandy apartments. No matter how careful you are being. 
Sand covered floors, clothes, bucket and spades. 

Have I missed something?
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Post by Silentscope 17.07.20 9:00

Possibly the grey trousers with buttons on the grownups bed and the dark thing on the sofa? Is that a Jacket?
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Post by Silentscope 17.07.20 9:50

Eureka! Portugal and Ireland are One hour ahead of U.K. so what impact would that possibly have on the reporting times? 

The Smiths would not have had to change their timepieces.

All the TAPAS crew had allegedly no watches or phones.

Any chance that is what went wrong?
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Post by Lance De Boils 17.07.20 17:36

I think the time difference has been discussed at length already. 

If pre-planned, I would imagine that G&K would be wearing black or dark clothing. Handy for darting around all over. Ducking down an unlit area or two. 
Reverse plan for JT - wearing colourful clothes  - making herself be the one to focus on? Or red herrings?
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Post by Silentscope 17.07.20 18:48

I think most Forum members would agree that the cleaning up, and planning of a cover story took a certain amount of time.

When that happened and how long it took may never be found out.

Along with what caused it.

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Post by Lance De Boils 17.07.20 19:04

Thank you.  Interesting idea. Why not put in the "unorthodox" section to get more opinions?
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Post by sandancer 17.07.20 20:36

Silentscope wrote:Eureka! Portugal and Ireland are One hour ahead of U.K. so what impact would that possibly have on the reporting times? 

The Smiths would not have had to change their timepieces.

All the TAPAS crew had allegedly no watches or phones.

Any chance that is what went wrong?


Portugal is the same time as UK 
Ireland , Republic during summer is GMT +1 Northern Ireland BST .

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Post by Silentscope 17.07.20 20:48

I will double check something, as I know that for two weeks in the Year in Germany the time Zones overlap sometimes. Just need to find out the month.

I will see if I can get a time zone Map from somewhere. 
UK = GMT O
EIRE - GMT +1
Portugal- GMT +1

As Clarance Mitchell said, if they had all synchronised their watches and phones it would look more suspicious.
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Post by sharonl 17.07.20 21:58

There would have been clocks in the area, certainly on the church and in the bars. The Smiths would have had time to change their watches buy even if they didn't they would have been aware of any times differences had there been any. They are also quite specific about the times that they had left the bar etc. So if there was any truth in what they had claimed, there would be no reason for the times to be wrong.
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Post by Verdi 17.07.20 22:16

Silentscope wrote:Eureka! Portugal and Ireland are One hour ahead of U.K. so what impact would that possibly have on the reporting times?

It's been rightly pointed out by member sandancer, Portugal is the same time zone as the UK. Also, as pointed out by member Lance de Boils, the time zone issue has been discussed here on CMOMM in the long distant past. Hardly a eureka! moment.

So why are now bringing Germany into the equation? What's Germany's time zone got to do with witness statements and/or whether or not the McCann group had watches and mobile phones synchronized - did Clarence Mitchell even say that?

Seriously, I think you make it up as you go along .... bollocks 'n all!

I said some while back, well actually only a couple of weeks when you joined the forum, your performance here on CMOMM makes me question your motive. At the time you appeared to be using the German fiasco to join forces with the bash Portugal brigade.

I hope I'm wrong but somehow I don't think I am.

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Post by Silentscope 18.07.20 8:46

Then just put me right then. 

I think your motive appears to be (and I see the comments from other members and ex members) to keep everyone on the same line, and deny any possibility that the truth will be discovered and come out.

If I am re - addressing old lines of enquiry.

It is only because somebody should have sorted this out before I got here, years ago.
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Post by Silentscope 18.07.20 9:42

[size=34]Portugal warns Britain: We switched to Berlin Time and it was a catastrophe[/size]

By MARTIN DELGADO AND TOM WORDON 
UPDATED: 12:39, 28 November 2010 


         





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Britain has been warned that switching to Berlin Time could have a damaging effect on health, education, energy consumption and commerce.
As MPs prepare to vote on the proposal this week, warning bells were sounded in Portugal, which went through a disastrous four-year experiment with Berlin Time in the Nineties.


The change was foisted upon an unsuspecting public by the Lisbon government. Politicians there deployed identical arguments to those now being fed to Britons by the Bill’s supporters.


So,


The experiment was finished BEFORE 2007. Summer time starts on MAR 29 2020. At this moment in time there is no difference between the time in the U.K. EIRE or Portugal. But what if it had been different then? 


Source: Mail online
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Post by PeterMac 18.07.20 10:14

Even the McCanns, or more accurately Mendax Mitchell, didn't realise that Portugal was on GMT / BST
hence all the tosh he was allowed to spout about the EXIF on the Pool Photo, drawing attention to the date by focussing people on the time.
All it achieved was to allow us to realise that the alleged time was suspiciously close (as in EXACT TO THE SECOND) to Solar Zenith on that date.
And a bit of research later and it became apparent that both the time and date were most probably altered, and we could work out when and by whom, and even the itinerary the image followed.
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Post by sharonl 18.07.20 11:18

Silentscope wrote:

[size=34]Portugal warns Britain: We switched to Berlin Time and it was a catastrophe[/size]


By MARTIN DELGADO AND TOM WORDON 
UPDATED: 12:39, 28 November 2010 


         





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Britain has been warned that switching to Berlin Time could have a damaging effect on health, education, energy consumption and commerce.
As MPs prepare to vote on the proposal this week, warning bells were sounded in Portugal, which went through a disastrous four-year experiment with Berlin Time in the Nineties.


The change was foisted upon an unsuspecting public by the Lisbon government. Politicians there deployed identical arguments to those now being fed to Britons by the Bill’s supporters.


So,


The experiment was finished BEFORE 2007. Summer time starts on MAR 29 2020. At this moment in time there is no difference between the time in the U.K. EIRE or Portugal. But what if it had been different then? 


Source: Mail online

It would make very little difference to the McCann case. The PJ were working to local time and anything that may have happened, happened in Portugal, at local time.

The big difference though, is the four day gap. As many people now believe, Madeleine disappeared on April 29th and was reported missing on May 3rd. There is no such thing as a 4 day time difference and a 1 hour difference on May 3rd would be immaterial.
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Post by Tony Bennett 18.07.20 11:26

@"Silentscope" wrote:

I will double check something, as I know that for two weeks in the Year in Germany the time Zones overlap sometimes. Just need to find out the month.

I will see if I can get a time zone Map from somewhere. 
UK = GMT O
EIRE = GMT +1
Portugal = GMT +1

As Clarence [sp.] Mitchell said, if they had all synchronised their watches and phones it would look more suspicious.


Then just put me right then. 


I think your motive appears to be (and I see the comments from other members and ex members) to keep everyone on the same line, and deny any possibility that the truth will be discovered and come out.

If I am re - addressing old lines of enquiry.

It is only because somebody should have sorted this out before I got here, years ago.

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Your comments are mysterious, to say the least.

You ventured comments about Portuguese, German and British GMT, BST etc. etc. You were incorrect. Long-time member here @Sandancer corrected you. S/he gave you the correct information, namely that:  

In April/May 2007, Portugal and the U.K. adhered to the same time zone. As they do today.

[The failed experiment of Portugal adopting the 'Berlin Time Zone' was the result of a power grab by Germany, like the European Union Project itself. Pro-EU 'Remain MPs' made numerous attempts to get us all to adopt Berlin time]  


As the commentary below indicates, as does the 'Sky News' report of 24 May 2007, the Last Photo was taken at 1.29pm. Gerry McCann and his advisers mistakenly assumed that Portugal was one hour ahead, so they gave out the false time of 2.29pm.

As [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has pointed out just above, this time of 1.29pm coincides almost exactly with the time of the sun's zenith in Praia da Luz during the week 28 April to 5 May 2007, which can be calculated as 1.35pm. The extremely short shadow lengths, consistent over the entire photograph, tend to confirm the time it was taken.

That brings us to the issue of the two 'Creation Dates' given.

“Create Date 2007:05:03 13:29:51” 

“Create Date 2007:05:24 17:41:20+01:00” 

We explain this as follows:

Clearly the 'Create Date' of 24 May is not the date it was taken. That was the day it was prepared for release to the press, having been manipulated by Adope Photoshop software. It was IIRC also the date that Ms Philomena McCann, husband of drowning photo fetishist Tony Rickwood, jetted in to Praia da Luz from Ullapool. 

Just as the second 'create date' is not the date the photo was actually taken, then neither is the first date. The theory long propounded on this forum is that the Last Photo was taken at 1.29pm on Sunday 29 April and that the date (but not the time) was switched to 3 May to suit the McCanns' narrative.   

Furthermore, this causes us to re-examine the Make-Up Photo, because there are many aspects of it suggesting that it was taken later the same day:
1. Yellow stucco background agrees with the Algarve, not the UK
2. Madeleine wearing pink smock/dress on both occasions
3. Madeleine wearing a pink bow/tie in her hair in both photos
4. Hair length the same in both photos.

You wrote: "somebody should have sorted this out before I got here, years ago".

CMOMM has done. Right here. About five years ago.

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Uneasy interview given by Gerry McCann to a sharp interviewer on 25 August 2007

Sky News report of 24 May 2007

Other information about the Last Photo 

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The 'Last Photograph' of Madeleine, released 24 May 2007. It has been widely accepted, or at least reported, that the 'last photograph' of Madeleine - beside the kiddie's pool in the Ocean Club - was taken by Kate McCann, using her own digital camera. It has also been reported that the picture was taken at 2.29pm on 03 May 2007. Kate's camera clock is said to have been one hour out, so the display reads 1.29pm. However, there are no versions of the picture, so far released, that are able to confirm this. Although Portugal and the UK share the same time, it is reported that the camera clock was one hour out as Kate had not adjusted it after the change to British summer time on 25 March 2007.”

Sky News: Last Photo Of Madeleine Is Released Thursday May 24, 2007:

The family of missing Madeleine McCann have released the last known photograph of their daughter before her abduction three weeks ago. The picture shows her smiling and dangling her feet into a swimming pool. Madeleine, who has turned four since her abduction, is shown enjoying her holiday less than eight hours before she was snatched from her bed. The picture was taken by Madeleine's mother Kate, 38, on her own camera. Her daughter is shown smiling, wearing a pink smock top, white shorts and a sun hat as she cools her feet in the swimming pool. The picture was taken at 2.29pm on May 3 - Mrs McCann's camera clock is one hour out so the display reads 1.29pm. Less than eight hours later, before 10pm that night, Madeleine disappeared. She had been sleeping in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, when she was abducted…”

Also the “last photo” allegedly taken on 03-May-2007 at 14:30

The EXIF-Data of the original file (see at →The 'Last Photograph') shows that the picture was taken “Create Date 2007:05:03 13:29.51..."

The 'Last Photograph' of Madeleine, released 24 May 2007. It has been widely accepted, or at least reported, that the 'last photograph' of Madeleine - beside the kiddie's pool in the Ocean Club - was taken by Kate McCann, using her own digital camera. It has also been reported that the picture was taken at 2.29pm on 03 May 2007. Kate's camera clock is said to have been one hour out, so the display reads 1.29pm. However, there are no versions of the picture, so far released, that are able to confirm this. Although Portugal and the UK share the same time, it is reported that the camera clock was one hour out as Kate had not adjusted it after the change to British summer time on 25 March 2007.”

Sky News: Last Photo Of Madeleine Is Released Thursday May 24, 2007:

The family of missing Madeleine McCann have released the last known photograph of their daughter before her abduction three weeks ago. The picture shows her smiling and dangling her feet into a swimming pool. Madeleine, who has turned four since her abduction, is shown enjoying her holiday less than eight hours before she was snatched from her bed. The picture was taken by Madeleine's mother Kate, 38, on her own camera. Her daughter is shown smiling, wearing a pink smock top, white shorts and a sun hat as she cools her feet in the swimming pool. The picture was taken at 2.29pm on May 3 - Mrs McCann's camera clock is one hour out so the display reads 1.29pm. Less than eight hours later, before 10pm that night, Madeleine disappeared. She had been sleeping in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, when she was abducted…”

The EXIF-Data of the original file (see at →The 'Last Photograph') shows that the picture was taken “Create Date 2007:05:03 13:29:51” but got altered on “Create Date 2007:05:24 17:41:20+01:00”. The time 13:29:51 was said by McCann's to result from missing to reset the cam from winter to summer time. Such that the time 14:30 would result. Also the EXIF Header shows that the picture (at least) was altered on the day of release 24th of May 2007 using →Adobe Photoshop software. From EXIF data the source of Photo was a “FAMILY HANDOUT” to →AFP Press agency for publication.

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Post by Lance De Boils 19.07.20 7:35

Only things I can add - rightly or wrongly are; 
Watches & times:

It's standard landing spiel by cabin crew - or sometimes pilots too, to announce the local time on landing. Always. It's written in the landing brief. That is when people rummage to change their watches  phones & usually cameras soon after. So their watches and phones would have been corrected- and synchronised. Phones usually update automatically.

So I can call bull on that bit. 

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Post by Lance De Boils 19.07.20 15:04

Didn't finish the 2nd half. Had to dash off. 
If you take a photo of an already taken photograph, tell tale signs of photoshop editing will be lost, in the main.
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Post by Silentscope 19.07.20 17:06

Hi Tony,

Yes, I was wrong, but if it had been different then it would have changed some things would it not?

Sorry I didn’t join 5 years ago, but back then the new prime suspect was not even public knowledge. Then I might have had the benefit of your knowledge earlier.

Thank you for your learned input and they manner in which you provided it.

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Post by Silentscope 19.07.20 17:26

sharonl wrote:There would have been clocks in the area, certainly on the church and in the bars.  The Smiths would have had time to change their watches buy even if they didn't they would have been aware of any times differences had there been any.  They are also quite specific about the times that they had left the bar etc.  So if there was any truth in what they had claimed, there would be no reason for the times to be wrong.
By way of explanation, I was trying to establish if the following was possible.

1. The Smiths were entirely accurate and believable, credible witnesses to seeing ‘Smithman’ at the time they stated, and they had a timepiece that I believed to be accurately set. (to the right time zone) They had no prior knowledge of the events or the McCanns as far as I can see. They have no reason to be untruthful.

2. The not so believable TAPAS CREW who I believe had only written in the children’s books their hastily conceived timeline after reporting the ‘Abduction’ and supposedly had no watches or phones on them,could have misjudged their concoction due to running on their body clocks?

Would that have given ‘Smithman’ enough time to hide a body and run back? 4,5 - 6 minutes? 

Call it ‘NEW MEMBER SYNDROME’ sorry
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Post by sharonl 19.07.20 18:01

If you look at Smithman in detail, he is almost a clone of Tannerman. Now, either Smith did see this man, who according to Andy Redwood, turned up six years later with the clothes that he and his child were wearing as he carried her from the creche (even if he was going in the wrong direction) or he didn't. Maybe it was a coincidence and he saw someone else, but as it was in bad lighting and some time had passed before he made a statement, how could he be sure of a stranger he passed briefly in the dark?

Well all know by now that there was no evidence of abduction and Tannerman was probably a red herring. If Madeleine had died earlier in the week, giving the McCanns 4 days to forensically clean the apartment and dispose of all the evidence, why would Gerry be running around the area with a 4 day old corpse just minutes before Kate sounds the alarm. Its just a crazy idea, another red herring to stop us looking back at those earlier days.
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