McCanns and friends face new grilling as first quiz 'open to error

I wonder what this new 'Quiz' will be called?

Ask the family
The Chase

Family Fortunes
8 out of 10 cuddlecats
Mock the Decade

Mr and Mrs
Deal or No Deal
Countdown ?

Would I Lie To You
Call My Bluff
Fake Reaction
The Kids Are All Right

Blankerty Blank

Can't touch this

Scrap heap challenge 

Total wipeout 

Fake reaction 

Have I got news for you

Twenty questions 

Senseless

Whodunnit


I've got a secret

Would I lie to you 


The £64000 question

Dirty money

Face the clock


The weakest link

Playing for time 

Give us a clue

Who wants to be a millionaire?

Getting back on track, this is from Sharon and PeterMac

Sharon:
I thought that this may have something to do with the fact that we, on social networking sites, have questioned the fact that the McCanns have not been interviewed by Operation Grange.

They are now saying that there may be errors in the translation of the witness statements.  Is this an attempt to clear up all those contradictions and pass them off as translation errors?

One thing that stands out is the fact that the McCanns have not been working with the investigators.  If the child was genuinely missing, you would expect the parents & their friends to be at the police station answering all questions and providing all the information they possible could.   If the Met Police have not invited the McCanns to be interviewed, why are they not banging on the doors asking to be heard?


Peter:

My personal thoughts are these . . .
Someone, somewhere is stirring this up.
I don't know who, and it doesn't matter who.
The stories about "errors in the translations" are clearly nonsense.   They all signed the ENGLISH translations as accurate.
and then 6 days later went back and signed another set - of totally different statements - as accurate.  IN English translation.
Point of entry, shutters, and so on 
And in G and K's statements they both say
"CONTRARY TO what was stated the first time . . . . "    In other words, it was not a bad translation, nor a misunderstanding.
WE SAID  X . and now we want to change it to Y
( and then years later Kate changes it to Z  with her CLOSED curtains and whooshing in a non- existent gale force gust . .)

But absolutely right, the McCanns and the Tapas 9 /7 are NOT working with any one.- And the Mitchell- creature has no access to anyone.

The opening line says

By Jerry Lawton / Published 2nd October 2017

A senior officer believes their original witness statements given to Portuguese detectives were lost in translation. 

Then later, Lawton attributes quotes to Colin Sutton. 
Is Colin Sutton the source of the story? Or is there really a senior serving officer who believes the McCann witness statements have been lost in translation?

Big difference.

From PeterMac:

I am sure it is Sutton’s quote being trotted out again
But the question is WHY and WHO is doing it
Grange’s apparent Neglect of Duty and apparent Misconduct in Public Office is being exposed to the world.
As is the logical conclusion that this was Never a proper enquiry

It is being spelled out in the Tabloids, using simple words in short sentences, so that everyone shall understand . . .

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Give us a clue

Who wants to be a millionaire?

Runaround

Tale of the Century

The Fake News Quiz

What’s My Lie?

The Kids are Alright

Get'emGonçalo wrote:From PeterMac:

I am sure it is Sutton’s quote being trotted out again
But the question is WHY and WHO is doing it
Grange’s apparent Neglect of Duty and apparent Misconduct in Public Office is being exposed to the world.
As is the logical conclusion that this was Never a proper enquiry

It is being spelled out in the Tabloids, using simple words in short sentences, so that everyone shall understand . . .

+1 PeterMac, via the medium of Get'emGonçalo


....words a 9 year old could understand, very important point bearing the in mind the reading comprehension age of The Scum  et al.  Why make something so very clear?

sharonl wrote:The McCanns claim that they have searching for Madeleine, that she is findable.  Why then, is there a need for Operation Grange to interview them after 6 years?  

You would think that the McCanns would have made regular visits to Scotland yard giving the investigation as much information as they possibly could. 

Are they now being interviewed so that the cover up team can claim that information was lost in translation?  Is this an attempt to clear up all those contradictions in the McCanns statements before they whitewash the case?

I absolutely believe that the only reason for re-interviewing the McCanns would be to exonerate them in the eyes of the doubting public and, yes, the 'lost in translation' approach would be a gift for them. S Y are clearly struggling to find a Patsy so this has to be the better alternative for the closure of their 'tying up loose ends'! Although....who knows where this latest 'lead' will take us? . I do find the SY fairy stories fascinating; not intellectually challenging, but good for a laugh. None of this case was ever about Madeleine. Where in God's name do we go from here?...... . 
All in my opinion, of course.

Misconduct in Public Office complaint...as PeterMac says it is being exposed to the world.

It should be a piece of cake.

One gets the feeling that Murat will be dragged back into the spotlight.

maybe someone will ask what he mean't when he said ...Part of the biggest c**kup in history?

There are so many people who should reasonably be re-interviewed (or even interviewed for the first time).

I'd be very interested to know what any number of people might choose to say after so many years......allegiances change and, with the ever-growing sea-change of public opinion, some might not now be so willing to "stick to the story"

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Misconduct in Public Office complaint...as PeterMac says it is being exposed to the world.

It should be a piece of cake.

Public Office have got away with far more serious crimes than this and they're still standing.  There will be a get out clause.

I know the Metropolitan Police are keeping their enquiry/investigation under wraps but it would be interesting to know what they think of all these bizarre media reports.  Perhaps AC Mark 'foot in mouth' Rowley might consider giving an update in the light of the further funding of Operation Grange.



At the end of the day all blame will be apportioned to the Portuguese - they are the leading force so it will be their fault.  Even Kirkwood over yonder is blaming the PJ for losing valuable time and not sealing-off the crime scene.

It's the same old song..

In the same way that "one rotten apple spoils the barrel", I'm forever hopeful that one embedded (but subsequently enlightened) worm will split the can wide open.

I don't believe it would take much......except a very brave person

At her rogatory interview Cat Baker stated she wished to amend something in an earlier statement - the fact that she had claimed Madeleine played more with the boys. She had, presumably, signed off on the first statement but had no qualms contradicting it when given the opportunity. I believe it will be the same for the Mccanns. Their only statements are those given to the P.J.. Op. Grange cannot run forever, and there is a growing backlash against each new tranche of funding. In the absence of a suitable patsy, putting Grange into a cold case file still leaves the McCanns under the suspicion of many of the public, particularly since the Supreme Court ruling. IMO, before Grange is parked a concerted attempt will be made to exonerate the parents. They will explain how, under tremendous stress at the time and feeling they were being set up by the "incompetent" P.J. during what they perceived as "hostile  interviewing", they gave muddled, confused responses that have been misinterpreted, whether literally in translation or in their import. Grange will not close without attempting to clear Kate and Gerry. To point the finger at them now would be too embarrassing for all who threw their weight behind their innocence for so long. I don't believe any of the tapas friends will "crack" now. The reputational damage to them would be catastrophic.

IMO, before Grange is parked a concerted attempt will be made to exonerate the parents. They will explain how, under tremendous stress at the time and feeling they were being set up by the "incompetent" P.J. during what they perceived as "hostile  interviewing", they gave muddled, confused responses that have been misinterpreted, whether literally in translation or in their import.

Crikey Phoebe, I hope you have that copyrighted !!

JRP wrote:Willow,
I would argue that certain police officers, coroners, lawyers, are put in place as they are known to be compliant to a certain cause. Whether it be a little girl reported missing, or a man shot dead on a tube train, the chain of command swings into action to shape public opinion.

Hi JRP,so what you are saying is in order to protect"Society"that certain types of people in certain positions be allowed to commit to these actions,that is Okay,MI5/6,Yes,No?

We have a UK Police force who claim to be the "Best in the World" at solving Crimes,but what you have alluded to is that"Person's within these ranks"be allowed to distort,fabricate,alter events to fit the scenario,whether it to be a child missing as in,Madeleine or a man shot dead on a Tube Train(Jean Charles)Cressida Dick?
Whilst others within this World will see that they are prepared to commit to Perjury in order to protect a"Brotherhood" or to Favour certain elements within their society,but not general Society where the plebs live,Soylent Green,type of World,Big Brother 1984,George Orwell,Cannon fodder?
So the society you refer to has always had Two sets of rules,One for the Plebicite's to conform to and the Elite,Echelon's be excused their peccadillo's,to go unpunished,by Ma Learned friends,from the House of Common's,Lords chambers,who have allowed for this system to Run for so long?
It would seem by the latest comments from CMMoM,members,that they can see what may pertain what could be likely to Happen on Operation Grange,where the "statements" have lost there meaning in "Translation",so if you cannot solve the Crime,be prepared to step back to an age where we where once "Very Proficient" at with Police statements from yesteryear,Birmingham six anyone,any Alarm bells going off in your heads yet,ding,ding?
Ah but that's okay to fit someone up,as long as it isn't you?

I know Willow, I saw what SharonL said, and she may be correct.

But if Operation Grange is only given £154,000 which is the same as last time, which could mean that they're doing pretty much the same routine, then it can't include money to fund a whole re-questioning scam. Unless of course they're cutting down on the lager and sardine sandwiches this time.

Why don't they just translate Kate's book to English?

JRP wrote:I know Willow, I saw what SharonL said, and she may be correct.

But if Operation Grange is only given £154,000 which is the same as last time, which could mean that they're doing pretty much the same routine, then it can't include money to fund a whole re-questioning scam. Unless of course they're cutting down on the lager and sardine sandwiches this time.

Why don't they just translate Kate's book to English?

Why not revert to the original Portugal Police Detective,Mr Goncalo Amaral,"The Truth Of the Lie"as it is based on the original Portugal PJ inquiry,you know the,Bungling four hr lunches,Sardines,swilling copius amounts of wine siesta time,not looking for a missing  child?
Going by past events,timings on Defamation case running in alongside Operation Grange,then now the challenge to Portugal,Supreme Court Ruling,ECHR,March 2018?
Someone within the Government knows how long the process must take to now prolong the funding,When this challenge is refused or no case to answer,then Operation Grange will wind up,No action by them continues the theme,"Innocent until Proven Otherwise" Not Proven as they say in Scotland,eh Gerald?

JRP wrote:But if Operation Grange is only given £154,000

Surely that won't even cover six months salaries?

A team of four officers - that's less than £40,000 a piece on my digital abacus.  Either the famous four are the lowest grade officers possible, or they really are employing the tea-trolley to wo/man the phones.

It's a farce beginning to end - whenever that might be.

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The Sutton card

Can the UK trust what Mr Barnier has said publicly during the Brexit talks?

Or can the EU trust what Mr Davis has said during the same briefings?

According to Collin Sutton they can’t.

The UK has to trust that what their translators are saying is indeed what Mr Barnier has said and as there is no other country, with the exceltion of Ireland in the EU 27 that has English as an official language, each one of these 26 countries has to trust that their own translators are saying what Mr Davis has said.

Translators leave enormous room for error, so says Sutton:

“Former Met detective chief inspector Collin Sutton, said: “I would conduct fresh interviews with all the key British witnesses. We’re talking about interviews given by the McCanns and friends through an interpreter, written down in Portuguese and then translated back into English so officers from Grange can read them. The room for error would be enormous.””

Let’s first set aside the incompetence that Sutton is explicitly accusing the PJ of, again according to him and only him, that the PJ Files official documentation may contain English to Portuguese translation mistakes.

And the extreme incompetence of SY for not have realised that possibility only now after all these years and millions.

Let’s explain how things happen in a PJ questioning that is not being video recorded, which was the case in the 2007 PJ interviews.

Let’s start with the PJ questioning a Portuguese individual.

A question is asked in Portuguese, the individual answers in Portuguese and then and there, the answer is typed. Only then is the process repeated the times it’s needed to be.

At the end, the individual reads his/her answers, and if agrees that it was what s/he said, signs the statement.

Now with questioning a foreign individual. A translator is present.

The question is addressed to the translator. The translator translates it to the questioned individual who answers in his/her native language. The translator translates answer to Portuguese and that answer is there and then typed. Only then the next question is asked using the same procedure.

At the end, the translator reads and translates each answer given by the questioned and s/he agrees with it. Then BOTH the translator and the questioned sign the statement.

This procedure is not done to minimise any translating error. It is done to eliminate any possible room for error.

Once the statement is signed, the document becomes legally binding with all the consequences that implicates.

Mr Sutton, as a former police officer knows this. For him to question it must be because he has other reasons than the pursuance of truth. But we already knew that.

One signs a witness statement to agree it’s accuracy. If any doubt, one shouldn’t sign.

And there’s been plenty of time for witnesses to object after PJ files released and none have.

Plus, the McCanns have said they paid a lot of for files to be translated for them.

Again, pathetic and again quoting our friend, beyond sad.

Why is Sutton doing this?

Desperate times require desperate actions even if they are ridiculous and shameless.

Sutton is the other sides’ last ‘credible’ card.

How can anyone give this man any credibility is beyond us.

A man who in the Sun article by Neal Baker, Jon Lockett, Paul Harper and Gemma Mullin published Oct 2 2017, 9:05 am (updated: 2nd October 2017, 9:07 am) “[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]” has this said about him:

“Former Scotland Yard detective Colin Sutton says the most “most likely and credible scenario” for Maddie’s disappearance is a targeted kidnap - possibly to replace some grieving parents’ own dead child.”

This article, on this particular issue, links up to a previous one by the same paper but this time by Laura Burnip published on April 22 2017 “[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]” in which it is said:

“A TOP ex-cop believes Madeleine McCann could have been taken by people traffickers at the demand of grieving parents to replace their own dead child.

Former Scotland Yard detective Colin Sutton says the most "most likely and credible scenario" for Maddie's disappearance is a targeted kidnap - once those closely linked to the tot have been ruled out.”

And to those claiming that he hasn’t read much on the case, let us remember what he has said in his own[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]:

“At the outset I should say that I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann.  All the evidence available to me – and there is more and deeper information available to the public on this than any case I have looked at – does not convince me of any theory or scenario being proved.”

So it seems he has read quite a lot.

But if some people insist on giving him credibility there’s nothing we can do about it.

However, in our opinion, someone from the other side is using this supposed credibility that Sutton is supposed to still have.

Sutton is laying out the excuse for many – all those who have much to answer for when the dam finally breaks – and who will use it when things will get tough: blame having been fooled on the PJ translators (one of which, we must remind people, was Robert Murat later an arguido and a person of interest for questioning by Operation Grange).

These people – and we are thinking of one in particular – will say they were fooled by the McCanns because of the errors in the translations.

It’s absolutely pathetic but what else do they hold on to outside it?

Hi GGG,so safe to assume that independent Former Police detective is unbiased with regard to the Portugal PJ translations,remember when your Police officer colleagues were very proficient at shaping Police statements,Colin,Birmingham Six,Murders in London,false statements,now all of a sudden,the monopoly cards are produced,ding,ding?
clutching at straws time,technicalities, all T's and I's dotted,eh Colin?