The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
Special expertise?
Yes I reckon the taxpayer would love to know what the special expertise is as still no answers.
Yes I reckon the taxpayer would love to know what the special expertise is as still no answers.
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
Regarding the involvement of our Police in the Uk and the early interception of Gordon Brown and Interpol, I did an simple web search and found this alarming website which I would like members to advise me about. Actually, I hoping to discover it is all false. The website is:http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.co.uk
from which I take the following very alarming quotation:"It was confirmed on August 7, 2007 by the Metropolitan Police of London that Madeleine McCann was abducted on orders by a paedophile organisation based in Belgium. We have been informed that the way this depraved activity operates is by the 'client' receiving three photographs of different children who chooses one and is then provided with the child to meet his depraved requirements. The individual who selected Madeleine McCann is a high ranking official at the European Commission in Brussels, and his name has been reported to this service."
This quotation purports to be from, as follows; "The World Report Agency Intelligence Information on the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann
The intelligence report is dated September 20, 2008 and it includes information on paedophilia, child abuse, and "snuff" movies that take place regularly at different locations within Belgium under the auspices and financing by high ranking officials at the European Commission [EC] with headquarters in Brussels."
I have two problems/questions; 1) how can someone like me, not very knowledgable, but well-meaning and wishing to learn, decide whether this is a reliable website? 2) The "report" presumes that Madeleine has been abducted, which was the fear Kate expressed immediately on finding her gone, and this made me aware that I had not given this possibility very much attention because I found the evidence of her having died very compelling. It occurred to me that we may have to be open minded towards a very sophisticated and highly organised international organisation of child abductors and that even the Police in some localities may be complicit with this organisation. We do not seem to have been able to rule out that the local Police in PDL might have been deliberately negligent and slow or that the Cippriani child may have been subject to this terrible situation. I sincerely hope to God that this is not the case and I do not harbour any suspicions that it is. All I want to raise is the possibility that Madeleine may have been abducted and that we cannot rule out even some very terrible and almost unbelievable circumstances that might surround this case.
from which I take the following very alarming quotation:"It was confirmed on August 7, 2007 by the Metropolitan Police of London that Madeleine McCann was abducted on orders by a paedophile organisation based in Belgium. We have been informed that the way this depraved activity operates is by the 'client' receiving three photographs of different children who chooses one and is then provided with the child to meet his depraved requirements. The individual who selected Madeleine McCann is a high ranking official at the European Commission in Brussels, and his name has been reported to this service."
This quotation purports to be from, as follows; "The World Report Agency Intelligence Information on the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann
The intelligence report is dated September 20, 2008 and it includes information on paedophilia, child abuse, and "snuff" movies that take place regularly at different locations within Belgium under the auspices and financing by high ranking officials at the European Commission [EC] with headquarters in Brussels."
I have two problems/questions; 1) how can someone like me, not very knowledgable, but well-meaning and wishing to learn, decide whether this is a reliable website? 2) The "report" presumes that Madeleine has been abducted, which was the fear Kate expressed immediately on finding her gone, and this made me aware that I had not given this possibility very much attention because I found the evidence of her having died very compelling. It occurred to me that we may have to be open minded towards a very sophisticated and highly organised international organisation of child abductors and that even the Police in some localities may be complicit with this organisation. We do not seem to have been able to rule out that the local Police in PDL might have been deliberately negligent and slow or that the Cippriani child may have been subject to this terrible situation. I sincerely hope to God that this is not the case and I do not harbour any suspicions that it is. All I want to raise is the possibility that Madeleine may have been abducted and that we cannot rule out even some very terrible and almost unbelievable circumstances that might surround this case.
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Eddie and Keela are the answer to your questions.Ellie wrote:Regarding the involvement of our Police in the Uk and the early interception of Gordon Brown and Interpol, I did an simple web search and found this alarming website which I would like members to advise me about. Actually, I hoping to discover it is all false. The website is:http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.co.uk
from which I take the following very alarming quotation:"It was confirmed on August 7, 2007 by the Metropolitan Police of London that Madeleine McCann was abducted on orders by a paedophile organisation based in Belgium. We have been informed that the way this depraved activity operates is by the 'client' receiving three photographs of different children who chooses one and is then provided with the child to meet his depraved requirements. The individual who selected Madeleine McCann is a high ranking official at the European Commission in Brussels, and his name has been reported to this service."
This quotation purports to be from, as follows; "The World Report Agency Intelligence Information on the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann
The intelligence report is dated September 20, 2008 and it includes information on paedophilia, child abuse, and "snuff" movies that take place regularly at different locations within Belgium under the auspices and financing by high ranking officials at the European Commission [EC] with headquarters in Brussels."
I have two problems/questions; 1) how can someone like me, not very knowledgable, but well-meaning and wishing to learn, decide whether this is a reliable website? 2) The "report" presumes that Madeleine has been abducted, which was the fear Kate expressed immediately on finding her gone, and this made me aware that I had not given this possibility very much attention because I found the evidence of her having died very compelling. It occurred to me that we may have to be open minded towards a very sophisticated and highly organised international organisation of child abductors and that even the Police in some localities may be complicit with this organisation. We do not seem to have been able to rule out that the local Police in PDL might have been deliberately negligent and slow or that the Cippriani child may have been subject to this terrible situation. I sincerely hope to God that this is not the case and I do not harbour any suspicions that it is. All I want to raise is the possibility that Madeleine may have been abducted and that we cannot rule out even some very terrible and almost unbelievable circumstances that might surround this case.
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
Hello Ellie! I haven't read the link you provide - I prefer to avoid what I consider to be suspicious sites. I will however draw your attention to the PJ files where the subject is mentioned..
I don't believe this led to anything constructive, just another hoax. I'm off out now but I'll take a look later, if someone doesn't beat me to it..
I don't believe this led to anything constructive, just another hoax. I'm off out now but I'll take a look later, if someone doesn't beat me to it..
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
Thank you Verdi, you are wonderful! so quick to help! What you have told me actually suggests the report I came across may be reliable. If the British Police write as above, they could well have written in the report too. There is even more damning evidence in the report suggesting the Portuguese Police would have divided loyalties to say the least. I do not want to write this at the moment but it would seem to be widely known, since it's on the internet and apparently known in the European Parliament. This is why, I suspect, Gordon Brown felt compelled to become involved very quickly. He was in an unenviable position if this is the case. I am concerned for Madeleine and all children knowing that our Police have evidence that specific types of children are sought and obtained. It means there is an international procurement service for paedophiles. It makes my blood run cold. God help us and, most of all, God help our children!
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Ref;The letter to Prime Minister/Cressida Dick
Hi Ellie,a former MI5 Officer had stated to people in Europe of Madeleine being kidnapped in the way you had stated,this person also stated that Madeleine had been seen in Malta by a solicitor he knew?Ellie wrote:Thank you Verdi, you are wonderful! so quick to help! What you have told me actually suggests the report I came across may be reliable. If the British Police write as above, they could well have written in the report too. There is even more damning evidence in the report suggesting the Portuguese Police would have divided loyalties to say the least. I do not want to write this at the moment but it would seem to be widely known, since it's on the internet and apparently known in the European Parliament. This is why, I suspect, Gordon Brown felt compelled to become involved very quickly. He was in an unenviable position if this is the case. I am concerned for Madeleine and all children knowing that our Police have evidence that specific types of children are sought and obtained. It means there is an international procurement service for paedophiles. It makes my blood run cold. God help us and, most of all, God help our children!
The Manchester Police force had the Solicitor arrested on"Indecent images charges"and that solicitor has remained,how the Police wished him to remain?
The former QC/MI5 person went on to allude to "Bombs at London Olympics"needless to say he has remained in the afore mentioned manner since being jailed?
The Metropolitan Police Service/Interpol,carried out an investigation,as to whether or Not Madeleine had been kidnapped by a Paedophile gang in 2007-2008,they concluded that they had not found any evidence of a Paedophile Gang in Operation related to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?
But if you or the website have a different version of what the Metropolitan Police service have stated to the public's consumption,someone will have egg dripping down their proverbial?
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
Nothing new about procurement "services" or "gangs" for/of paedophiles!
However, I can think of 3 things of important intelligence which tell me that Madeleine was NOT chosen or ordered by any such "gang"...
One being as @willowthewisp stated above...The MET concluded no evidence of such a thing relating to Madeleines disappearance.
Two ....Eddie
Three....Keela
Enough said!
However, I can think of 3 things of important intelligence which tell me that Madeleine was NOT chosen or ordered by any such "gang"...
One being as @willowthewisp stated above...The MET concluded no evidence of such a thing relating to Madeleines disappearance.
Two ....Eddie
Three....Keela
Enough said!
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
I can remember from back in the 2008 there was a British reporter?/journalist? Christopher Story who claimed that a euro peado gang from Dachau,Germany sent 3 photos of girls to Barroso and he choosed Madeleine and she was kidnapped and sent to him in Belgium.Ellie wrote:Regarding the involvement of our Police in the Uk and the early interception of Gordon Brown and Interpol, I did an simple web search and found this alarming website which I would like members to advise me about. Actually, I hoping to discover it is all false. The website is:http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.co.uk
from which I take the following very alarming quotation:"It was confirmed on August 7, 2007 by the Metropolitan Police of London that Madeleine McCann was abducted on orders by a paedophile organisation based in Belgium. We have been informed that the way this depraved activity operates is by the 'client' receiving three photographs of different children who chooses one and is then provided with the child to meet his depraved requirements. The individual who selected Madeleine McCann is a high ranking official at the European Commission in Brussels, and his name has been reported to this service."
This quotation purports to be from, as follows; "The World Report Agency Intelligence Information on the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann
The intelligence report is dated September 20, 2008 and it includes information on paedophilia, child abuse, and "snuff" movies that take place regularly at different locations within Belgium under the auspices and financing by high ranking officials at the European Commission [EC] with headquarters in Brussels."
I have two problems/questions; 1) how can someone like me, not very knowledgable, but well-meaning and wishing to learn, decide whether this is a reliable website? 2) The "report" presumes that Madeleine has been abducted, which was the fear Kate expressed immediately on finding her gone, and this made me aware that I had not given this possibility very much attention because I found the evidence of her having died very compelling. It occurred to me that we may have to be open minded towards a very sophisticated and highly organised international organisation of child abductors and that even the Police in some localities may be complicit with this organisation. We do not seem to have been able to rule out that the local Police in PDL might have been deliberately negligent and slow or that the Cippriani child may have been subject to this terrible situation. I sincerely hope to God that this is not the case and I do not harbour any suspicions that it is. All I want to raise is the possibility that Madeleine may have been abducted and that we cannot rule out even some very terrible and almost unbelievable circumstances that might surround this case.
Many people have done their best to get famous from this case ,some with mumbo-jumbo scanning devices and some with mumbo-jumbo stories.
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
Pleasure .Ellie wrote:Thank you Verdi, you are wonderful! so quick to help! What you have told me actually suggests the report I came across may be reliable. If the British Police write as above, they could well have written in the report too. There is even more damning evidence in the report suggesting the Portuguese Police would have divided loyalties to say the least. I do not want to write this at the moment but it would seem to be widely known, since it's on the internet and apparently known in the European Parliament. This is why, I suspect, Gordon Brown felt compelled to become involved very quickly. He was in an unenviable position if this is the case. I am concerned for Madeleine and all children knowing that our Police have evidence that specific types of children are sought and obtained. It means there is an international procurement service for paedophiles. It makes my blood run cold. God help us and, most of all, God help our children!
I've since had a rake around and can't find anything further of the 'official' variety. A few press reports which one can take with a sack of salt - this one from the Times I've just posted here is a classic example of UK media manipulation..
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13561p125-media-mayhem-mccann-media-nonsense-of-the-day#375927
The subject is listed in the PJ files under the category of 'sightings' which I think speaks for itself.
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
Round and round and round it goes but still can't find answers to how Maddie disappeared.
I would like to see someone in authority acknowledge that Eddie and Keela were used, had a 100per cent track record and tell the general public why there has been total silence about the dogs.
It was The Sun(I think) posted the video showing the dogs and their handler "at work" so I reallly would like someone to explain why they are never mentioned during this investigation?
I would like to see someone in authority acknowledge that Eddie and Keela were used, had a 100per cent track record and tell the general public why there has been total silence about the dogs.
It was The Sun(I think) posted the video showing the dogs and their handler "at work" so I reallly would like someone to explain why they are never mentioned during this investigation?
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
Oh how I agree with just about every comment by members here, and elsewhere. And I take my hat off to you Jill Havern for your splendid efforts. Your letter to Theresa May and Cressida Dick surely cannot be ignored?? Although the cover up obviously goes far beyond them too!
The answer to everybody is quite simple, just haul Madeleine's parents into court, and let's then see how they fare under cross examination. The mystery would be solved and justice would be served for that little girl. We can all only hope that that day will dawn eventually.
The answer to everybody is quite simple, just haul Madeleine's parents into court, and let's then see how they fare under cross examination. The mystery would be solved and justice would be served for that little girl. We can all only hope that that day will dawn eventually.
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plebgate I quite agree with your observations regarding Eddie and Keela. According to Richard D. Hall when Martin Grime came to Faro with the two dogs en route to England, he got jumped on (my words) by MI5. I am sure I don't know what to make of that.
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
It's in excess of 18 months since forum owner Jill Havern sent this exemplary missive a winging it's way to the PM and a variety of other top officials entangled in the Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann - that's to say, the evident cover-up of a very serious crime.
Needless to say, despite the meaty content, enough for any hungry carnivore to get it's teeth into, it fell on stony ground - probably the very same stones that Messrs McCann insist should not be left unturned.
Enough of this waffle!
The thread needs to be aired, it's gathering cobwebs which will just not do!
Journalist and forum friend Natasha Donn of the Portugal Resident had these very encouraging words to say back in June 2017, when the letter was sent. At least someone out there with a public voice listens and takes note..
A little over a month since the world’s press went into overdrive commemorating the 10 years since Madeleine McCann vanished during a family holiday in Portugal, campaigners doggedly researching the case insist it has been “pretty much solved”.
It is simply a question of doing away with the “expensive farce” that Operation Grange - the British police investigation into the mystery -“has become”, and opening the field to an “unlimited remit”.
Volunteers running The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann (CMoMM) forum contend that “ten years of the UK Police and government deliberately looking in the wrong direction is criminal”.
Thus, the group that includes retired police officers has approached Prime Minister Theresa May and Metropolitan Police chief Cressida Dick with a renewed call for action in the form of a six-page letter setting out all their reasons.
CMoMM leading light Jill Havern - formerly attached to RAF military police at USAFE, Alconbury airbase in the UK - told the Resident that she suspects “something very wicked lies at the heart of this case”, bearing in mind that the forum’s repeated approaches to the authorities “always fall on deaf ears”.
“We have written Petitions, submitted FOI (Freedom of Information) requests… All replies are written from the same script. It doesn't matter from which department.
“Basically people want to prevent our research”, she continued.
Right now, “CMoMM is being mercilessly attacked by nameless faceless entities on the internet”, she added.
There have even been “death threats” aimed at a forum member whose book: “"What Really Happened to Madeleine McCann: 60 Reasons which suggest she was not abducted" was ‘silenced’ in 2009 by lawyers working for the McCann parents.
But adversity has not deterred campaigners from pushing for what they believe to be the truth to be allowed to come out.
Thus last month’s media razzmatazz - and three key developments that it threw up - have been seized in this latest bid for “a new unlimited remit”.
Havern actually dubs the moment “urgent”.
She explains in the letter sent to Downing Street and the Met that Portugal’s highest court in the land has ruled in favour of former Maddie investigator Gonçalo Amaral - bringing his court wins in the bitter legal case brought by the McCanns to three (click here), and dispensing with any further chances of appeal.
In a rejection of the McCann’s ‘last pitch’ at litigation in Portugal, the Supreme Tribunal reiterated that the couple had not been cleared of involvement in their daughter’s disappearance (click here).
And in interviews with Sky News and “an Australian news source” former Metropolitan Police Detective Chief Inspector Colin Sutton dropped the bombshell about being warned off leading Grange “by a very senior Met police officer” as he (Sutton) “wouldn’t be able to go where he wanted to” .
Havern quoted Sutton as saying: "Operation Grange's narrow remit to focus only on the theory that the four-year-old was abducted from the family's holiday apartment in Portugal was unusual and a 'missed opportunity'..."
Reminding the prime minister of a previous letter from the forum, pushing for true transparency, openness and thoroughness - to the point that detectives are free to go “wherever the evidence leads them” - CMoMM said that it hopes a new remit would also give a green-light to investigate “all aspects of the operation of the Find Madeleine Fund, including:
investigating the actions of all of its Directors,
the funding of the private investigations,
whether or not funds have been used to pay the McCanns’ legal fees and expenses,
why it was necessary for a separate account to be set up last year, to be controlled by the McCanns and not the Directors, and
accounting for all monies paid into and from the Find Madeleine Fund since it was set up in May 2007.”
So, does Havern think she will get answers?
The amateur sleuth is not holding her breath - particularly as Theresa May is “up to her ears in problems” right now.
“Ultimately, we will have to make a Misconduct in Public Office complaint”, she told us. “But that cannot happen until Grange is concluded”.
Indeed, there are those who believe the only reason Grange remains open is to stave off the effects of its closure - both in UK and Portugal - bearing in mind it has spent around €15 million without producing any answers.
Here, for example, a vindicated Amaral is still adamant that the Supreme Court victory should impel the PJ to “once and for all start investigating” (click here).
“REAL JOURNALISM WOULD HAVE QUESTIONED TAPAS GROUP”
Amaral, who has a second book in hand - ready for publication once Grange is wound-up - believes it is “high time to channel efforts into what’s important”: getting to the truth.
In an interview with the Resident shortly after his third legal victory in the battle for his right to freedom of expression, he said “perhaps it is time to transform the PJGA initiative” (set up to help him pay his legal costs) “into PJMM, Projecto Justiça Madeleine McCann”.
“With the collaboration of retired Portuguese and British police”, PJMM could “advance with a real, objective, independent investigation to investigate the causes of the mysterious disappearance, search for the child and identify those responsible”, he said.
“An independent investigation that doesn’t look at names but looks at evidence and facts - without worrying about the position of anyone - is possible”, he believes, though the quality of journalism over the last 10 years has clearly left him unimpressed.
“Not one organ of communication bothered interviewing the companions of (Madeleine’s) parents”, he told us.
“They should be bombarded with questions, but no one questions.
“In the front line appears the parents, with the friends in silence...It is strange, very strange”.
A former British police superintendent, member of CMoMM and author of the ebook “What Really Happened to Madeleine McCann?” put the forum’s new initiative into three simple sentences:
“This is not about any kind of personal vendetta against the McCann parents, it is a search for the truth of what happened to Madeleine”.
“If the McCanns, any of their detectives, the PJ or Grange can come up with a cogent, coherent and credible story about what happened between 9pm and 9.50 pm on 3/5/2007 then we all want to hear it.
“But each bit of what we have been told has been proved to have been wrong, mistaken, irrelevant, or a simple lie”.
natasha.donn@algarveresident.com
Praise indeed! I salute you madam
Needless to say, despite the meaty content, enough for any hungry carnivore to get it's teeth into, it fell on stony ground - probably the very same stones that Messrs McCann insist should not be left unturned.
Enough of this waffle!
The thread needs to be aired, it's gathering cobwebs which will just not do!
Journalist and forum friend Natasha Donn of the Portugal Resident had these very encouraging words to say back in June 2017, when the letter was sent. At least someone out there with a public voice listens and takes note..
Maddie disappearance “pretty much solved”, say sleuths pushing for “new remit”
A little over a month since the world’s press went into overdrive commemorating the 10 years since Madeleine McCann vanished during a family holiday in Portugal, campaigners doggedly researching the case insist it has been “pretty much solved”.
It is simply a question of doing away with the “expensive farce” that Operation Grange - the British police investigation into the mystery -“has become”, and opening the field to an “unlimited remit”.
Volunteers running The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann (CMoMM) forum contend that “ten years of the UK Police and government deliberately looking in the wrong direction is criminal”.
Thus, the group that includes retired police officers has approached Prime Minister Theresa May and Metropolitan Police chief Cressida Dick with a renewed call for action in the form of a six-page letter setting out all their reasons.
CMoMM leading light Jill Havern - formerly attached to RAF military police at USAFE, Alconbury airbase in the UK - told the Resident that she suspects “something very wicked lies at the heart of this case”, bearing in mind that the forum’s repeated approaches to the authorities “always fall on deaf ears”.
“We have written Petitions, submitted FOI (Freedom of Information) requests… All replies are written from the same script. It doesn't matter from which department.
“Basically people want to prevent our research”, she continued.
Right now, “CMoMM is being mercilessly attacked by nameless faceless entities on the internet”, she added.
There have even been “death threats” aimed at a forum member whose book: “"What Really Happened to Madeleine McCann: 60 Reasons which suggest she was not abducted" was ‘silenced’ in 2009 by lawyers working for the McCann parents.
But adversity has not deterred campaigners from pushing for what they believe to be the truth to be allowed to come out.
Thus last month’s media razzmatazz - and three key developments that it threw up - have been seized in this latest bid for “a new unlimited remit”.
Havern actually dubs the moment “urgent”.
She explains in the letter sent to Downing Street and the Met that Portugal’s highest court in the land has ruled in favour of former Maddie investigator Gonçalo Amaral - bringing his court wins in the bitter legal case brought by the McCanns to three (click here), and dispensing with any further chances of appeal.
In a rejection of the McCann’s ‘last pitch’ at litigation in Portugal, the Supreme Tribunal reiterated that the couple had not been cleared of involvement in their daughter’s disappearance (click here).
And in interviews with Sky News and “an Australian news source” former Metropolitan Police Detective Chief Inspector Colin Sutton dropped the bombshell about being warned off leading Grange “by a very senior Met police officer” as he (Sutton) “wouldn’t be able to go where he wanted to” .
Havern quoted Sutton as saying: "Operation Grange's narrow remit to focus only on the theory that the four-year-old was abducted from the family's holiday apartment in Portugal was unusual and a 'missed opportunity'..."
Reminding the prime minister of a previous letter from the forum, pushing for true transparency, openness and thoroughness - to the point that detectives are free to go “wherever the evidence leads them” - CMoMM said that it hopes a new remit would also give a green-light to investigate “all aspects of the operation of the Find Madeleine Fund, including:
investigating the actions of all of its Directors,
the funding of the private investigations,
whether or not funds have been used to pay the McCanns’ legal fees and expenses,
why it was necessary for a separate account to be set up last year, to be controlled by the McCanns and not the Directors, and
accounting for all monies paid into and from the Find Madeleine Fund since it was set up in May 2007.”
So, does Havern think she will get answers?
The amateur sleuth is not holding her breath - particularly as Theresa May is “up to her ears in problems” right now.
“Ultimately, we will have to make a Misconduct in Public Office complaint”, she told us. “But that cannot happen until Grange is concluded”.
Indeed, there are those who believe the only reason Grange remains open is to stave off the effects of its closure - both in UK and Portugal - bearing in mind it has spent around €15 million without producing any answers.
Here, for example, a vindicated Amaral is still adamant that the Supreme Court victory should impel the PJ to “once and for all start investigating” (click here).
“REAL JOURNALISM WOULD HAVE QUESTIONED TAPAS GROUP”
Amaral, who has a second book in hand - ready for publication once Grange is wound-up - believes it is “high time to channel efforts into what’s important”: getting to the truth.
In an interview with the Resident shortly after his third legal victory in the battle for his right to freedom of expression, he said “perhaps it is time to transform the PJGA initiative” (set up to help him pay his legal costs) “into PJMM, Projecto Justiça Madeleine McCann”.
“With the collaboration of retired Portuguese and British police”, PJMM could “advance with a real, objective, independent investigation to investigate the causes of the mysterious disappearance, search for the child and identify those responsible”, he said.
“An independent investigation that doesn’t look at names but looks at evidence and facts - without worrying about the position of anyone - is possible”, he believes, though the quality of journalism over the last 10 years has clearly left him unimpressed.
“Not one organ of communication bothered interviewing the companions of (Madeleine’s) parents”, he told us.
“They should be bombarded with questions, but no one questions.
“In the front line appears the parents, with the friends in silence...It is strange, very strange”.
A former British police superintendent, member of CMoMM and author of the ebook “What Really Happened to Madeleine McCann?” put the forum’s new initiative into three simple sentences:
“This is not about any kind of personal vendetta against the McCann parents, it is a search for the truth of what happened to Madeleine”.
“If the McCanns, any of their detectives, the PJ or Grange can come up with a cogent, coherent and credible story about what happened between 9pm and 9.50 pm on 3/5/2007 then we all want to hear it.
“But each bit of what we have been told has been proved to have been wrong, mistaken, irrelevant, or a simple lie”.
natasha.donn@algarveresident.com
Praise indeed! I salute you madam
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
Time to dust off the letter Jill, update it for 2019 events (Perlin's ignored DNA analysis offer springs to mind) and re submit to the Home Office and the UK Met with a Jan 1 2020 date. One could also cynically attach their risible responses as aide-memoires.
The key point though is to maintain public pressure on Operation Grange
The key point though is to maintain public pressure on Operation Grange
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The wheels are in perpetual motion Cammerigal ..
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
[ltr]I write in connection with your request for information which was received by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 23/10/2019. I note you seek access to the following information: Clarification and status update of Operation Grange, the British tax payer funded investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. A media article has appeared on the 20th October 2019 stating operational changes had taken place within Operation Grange. For information that article is linked here https://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=10916&d=2Zyv3TD2Um9ohed3eLANuPh_8lK3ZucOTAe13XnG2w&u=https%3a%2f%2fwww%2ethesun%2eco%2euk%2fnews%2f10177250%2fmadeleine-mccann-police-knife-crime%2f
Please provide the following information for the British taxpayers benefit:1) When was DCI Nicola Wall replaced with DCI Mark Cranwell and is she still working on Operation Grange?
2) Why was this replacement/change deemed necessary?
3) What are the staff numbers now working on Operation Grange and are they all still working on that specific case full time or is it now a completely part time investigation? Previously it was 4 DC's +1 SIO full time. If there has been a changeof staff numbers in relation to Operation Grange, when did those new personnel numbers come into effect over the old quotas? The article states the now SIO is only working on it part time.
4) With the 'investigation' only being supervised part time, what is the need/requirement for circa up to £300, 000 (according to media) funding for a whole tax year to run what is apparently a part time investigation considering that the officers salaries are already accounted for within Met. Police annual budgets?
5) Has any part of the funding Operation Grange has received since its inception been used to pay for the Portuguese Police re-investigation either in full or in part?
SEARCHES TO LOCATE INFORMATION To locate the information relevant to your request searches were conducted with our Central Specialist Crime Unit. The searches located information relevant to your request. DECISION I have today decided to disclose the located information to you in full.
1) When was DCI Nicola Wall replaced with DCI Mark Cranwell and is she still working on Operation Grange?DCI Nicola Wall retired from the MPS in November 2018 – DCI Mark Cranwell succeeded her the same month.
2) Why was this replacement/change deemed necessary?Please see above.
3) What are the staff numbers now working on Operation Grange and are they all still working on that specific case full time or is it now a completely part time investigation? Previously it was 4 DC's +1 SIO full time. If there has been a change of staff numbers in relation to Operation Grange, when did those new personnel numbers come into effect over the old quotas? The article states the now SIO is only working on it part time.As widely published in the media, One Detective Sergeant and 3 Detective Constablesare currently working on this investigation full time – the SIO as published is part-time, sharing his time between Op Grange and one of the Homicide teams in the MPS.
4) With the 'investigation' only being supervised part time, what is the need/requirementfor circa up to £300, 000 (according to media) funding for a whole tax year to run what isapparently a part time investigation considering that the officers salaries are already accounted for within Met. Police annual budgets?The budget from the Home Office is for the Detective Sergeant and the 3 Detective Constables to work on a full time basis on Operation Grange. The SIO isn’t funded by the Home Office.
5) Has any part of the funding Operation Grange has received since its inception been used to pay for the Portuguese Police re-investigation either in full or in part?
No funding from Operation Grange has been used to pay for any part of the investigation being carried out by the Portuguese police.
Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please contact me via email at Lisa.Murphy@met.police.uk, quoting the reference number above.Yours sincerelyLisa Murphy[/ltr]
Please provide the following information for the British taxpayers benefit:1) When was DCI Nicola Wall replaced with DCI Mark Cranwell and is she still working on Operation Grange?
2) Why was this replacement/change deemed necessary?
3) What are the staff numbers now working on Operation Grange and are they all still working on that specific case full time or is it now a completely part time investigation? Previously it was 4 DC's +1 SIO full time. If there has been a changeof staff numbers in relation to Operation Grange, when did those new personnel numbers come into effect over the old quotas? The article states the now SIO is only working on it part time.
4) With the 'investigation' only being supervised part time, what is the need/requirement for circa up to £300, 000 (according to media) funding for a whole tax year to run what is apparently a part time investigation considering that the officers salaries are already accounted for within Met. Police annual budgets?
5) Has any part of the funding Operation Grange has received since its inception been used to pay for the Portuguese Police re-investigation either in full or in part?
SEARCHES TO LOCATE INFORMATION To locate the information relevant to your request searches were conducted with our Central Specialist Crime Unit. The searches located information relevant to your request. DECISION I have today decided to disclose the located information to you in full.
1) When was DCI Nicola Wall replaced with DCI Mark Cranwell and is she still working on Operation Grange?DCI Nicola Wall retired from the MPS in November 2018 – DCI Mark Cranwell succeeded her the same month.
2) Why was this replacement/change deemed necessary?Please see above.
3) What are the staff numbers now working on Operation Grange and are they all still working on that specific case full time or is it now a completely part time investigation? Previously it was 4 DC's +1 SIO full time. If there has been a change of staff numbers in relation to Operation Grange, when did those new personnel numbers come into effect over the old quotas? The article states the now SIO is only working on it part time.As widely published in the media, One Detective Sergeant and 3 Detective Constablesare currently working on this investigation full time – the SIO as published is part-time, sharing his time between Op Grange and one of the Homicide teams in the MPS.
4) With the 'investigation' only being supervised part time, what is the need/requirementfor circa up to £300, 000 (according to media) funding for a whole tax year to run what isapparently a part time investigation considering that the officers salaries are already accounted for within Met. Police annual budgets?The budget from the Home Office is for the Detective Sergeant and the 3 Detective Constables to work on a full time basis on Operation Grange. The SIO isn’t funded by the Home Office.
5) Has any part of the funding Operation Grange has received since its inception been used to pay for the Portuguese Police re-investigation either in full or in part?
No funding from Operation Grange has been used to pay for any part of the investigation being carried out by the Portuguese police.
Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please contact me via email at Lisa.Murphy@met.police.uk, quoting the reference number above.Yours sincerelyLisa Murphy[/ltr]
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Yet another 'top cop' retires from the Met. having played their part in the Government sponsored cover up whilst achieving, well nothing really! How many is that now..... And how many more????? How far off retirement is DCI Cranwell I wonder...
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Philo Beddoe wrote:Yet another 'top cop' retires from the Met. having played their part in the Government sponsored cover up whilst achieving, well nothing really! How many is that now..... And how many more????? How far off retirement is DCI Cranwell I wonder...
Tony B posted a thread about Cranwell's profile, so you should be able to find a precise answer.
The bottom line is not long.
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ShiningInLuz wrote:Philo Beddoe wrote:Yet another 'top cop' retires from the Met. having played their part in the Government sponsored cover up whilst achieving, well nothing really! How many is that now..... And how many more????? How far off retirement is DCI Cranwell I wonder...
Tony B posted a thread about Cranwell's profile, so you should be able to find a precise answer.
The bottom line is not long.
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Is there any update on this? I’ve just read this thread and see it’s not been updated for a while.
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
The previous post pointed me to this thread. Jill's letter is very good, and it's appalling that nobody has acted on it.
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I am so disappointed. Jill has done a wonderful job with the letter and deserves at least something... it is such a shame. I hope that we can revive this, perhaps if we all write a letter? Surely they cant ignore thousands of letters... xCaKeLoveR wrote:The previous post pointed me to this thread. Jill's letter is very good, and it's appalling that nobody has acted on it.
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I doubt that Boris Johnson would do anything either, except file it in the waste paper bin.
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I have sent s-mails to government officials before and (I suspect regardless of what is written) you get a stock response basically telling you not to worry as blah, blah, blah.
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
cherrycrumpet wrote:Is there any update on this? I’ve just read this thread and see it’s not been updated for a while.
Rest assured, any updates would be posted on the forum. Something so important would never be over-looked nor forgotten.
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
Thank you so much Verdi. I’ve been lurking a while, then I just couldn’t resist. I wasn’t being funny I was just wondering :)Verdi wrote:cherrycrumpet wrote:Is there any update on this? I’ve just read this thread and see it’s not been updated for a while.
Rest assured, any updates would be posted on the forum. Something so important would never be over-looked nor forgotten.
Welcome to the forum cherrycrumpet. If you need any help navigating the forum or have any questions, do not hesitate to ask.
Also, I must say the amount of work everyone has put in on here is breathtaking. You all deserve a Pat on the back ! Thank you so much for everything you all do.
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cherrycrumpet wrote:Thank you so much Verdi. I’ve been lurking a while, then I just couldn’t resist. I wasn’t being funny I was just wondering :)Verdi wrote:cherrycrumpet wrote:Is there any update on this? I’ve just read this thread and see it’s not been updated for a while.
Rest assured, any updates would be posted on the forum. Something so important would never be over-looked nor forgotten.
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Also, I must say the amount of work everyone has put in on here is breathtaking. You all deserve a Pat on the back ! Thank you so much for everything you all do.
I didn't think you were trying to be funny cherrycrumpet.
It's great that you've brought the letter back into focus.
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Re: The letters to the Prime Minister and Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick were posted on Tuesday (12 June) and I am awaiting replies which I shall post here. I have also sent a copy to the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
Now that Cressida Dick has resigned, we'll have to write another letter to the new MET Commissioner for them to ignore.
We need to let them know we haven't gone away.
We need to let them know we haven't gone away.
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Perhaps we need to dig out the previous one, drawing attention to the similarities in approachJill Havern wrote:Now that Cressida Dick has resigned, we'll have to write another letter to the new MET Commissioner for them to ignore.
We need to let them know we haven't gone away.
of the much criticised Midland, and Grange.
I think I still have it somewhere.
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