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Post by pennylane on 06.05.17 10:19

@BlueBag wrote:Can a complaint be made about the objectivity of the programme?

It sounds to me like willful misrepresentation of the evidence.

Yes they're masters at perpetuating misinformation and wrapping it up as if factual! It must take a lot of work to achieve such a sick agenda, and they obviously know exactly what they are doing.
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Post by Verdi on 06.05.17 13:01

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@Verdi wrote: and then, smashed into smithereens with a heavy duty sledge hammer courtesy of the McCann defence league, through the medium of the BBC and Sky !!!
How did they diss the dogs?

(I've not watched either propaganda piece).
Sky 1 Documentary - Searching for Madeleine  [this is only a rough transcript but gives the gist]

Brunt:  [@ 19:36]  Portuguese police asked the UK to bring over two specialist dogs [on the recommendation of Mark Harrison], one who detects dead bodies [technically incorrect] and the other that detects traces of blood.  The dogs reacted in the McCanns apartment and in the family's rental car which wasn't hired until three weeks after Madeleine disappeared.  Forensic swabs were taken and sent to the UK for analysis, the leaked [?] results - or at least the Portuguese interpretation of them, caused a sensation.

In the car scientists have found a second full match and the police say that's the most damning evidence that's been returned by these test results.

[brief interview between Martin Brunt and Colin Sutton]..

Brunt:  The dogs, the forensic tests that followed - that was the turning point wasn't it?

Sutton:  It was the turning point for the arrests [what arrests Mr Sutton?] yes certainly but we need to remember the dogs are there to indicate where proper forensic tests, evidential tests should be made..  dogs, certainly in the UK are not used as evidential things - just an indication to focus the search for forensic material.

THE END

Henceforth the show returns to the usual claptrap - difficulty understanding the hostility shown towards the McCanns. social media trolls, no police action against trolls - even Summers and Swanne are allowed a brief appearance.

Conclusion of Sky 1 documentary:
Two police forces have found no evidence to suggest they [the Mccanns] played any part in their daughters disappearance.  In our investigation [?], we discovered nothing to suggest otherwise - the mystery of what happened to Madeleine McCann is just that - a mystery.

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Post by Philip Anders on 06.05.17 18:34

@Verdi wrote:
Conclusion of Sky 1 documentary:
Two police forces have found no evidence to suggest they [the Mccanns] played any part in their daughters disappearance.  In our investigation [?], we discovered nothing to suggest otherwise - the mystery of what happened to Madeleine McCann is just that - a mystery.

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I would have thought that leaving 2 babies & a toddler alone in an unlocked apartment can hardly be dismissed as playing no part in the disappearance but Brunt & Sky obviously think it can be.
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Post by tunein on 06.05.17 19:29

Hi,

Complaining to the BBC is like P-----G in the wind.

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Post by Roidininki on 06.05.17 20:47

I complained anyway . 
About a couple of things .
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Post by Jill Havern on 07.05.17 14:35

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Post by tunein on 07.05.17 16:01

Hi,

Yes I complained to the BBC for what its worth.

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Post by GordonGarner on 07.05.17 23:18

There were hints, small one's, but hints nonetheless in these programmes that there are a few chinks in the official line.
The constant refusal to go back further than the 'Madeleine was abducted on the Thursday evening' and everything was fine with the world before 9:30 pm and Gerrys last check is what i find most aggravating. Its as though anybody who hasnt read extensively on the case, has been blagged into accepting that as gospel.
If im sure of nothing else in this case, then im sure that the 'official tale' of the Thursday evening as told by the M's and the Tapas gang, needs pulling apart.
Any objective investigation of this case, could begin nowhere else. The fact that hasnt taken place , deflates any optimism i have for this case to be solved.
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Post by Philip Anders on 08.05.17 7:48

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@GordonGarner wrote:There were hints, small one's, but hints nonetheless in these programmes that there are a few chinks in the official line.
The constant refusal to go back further than the 'Madeleine was abducted on the Thursday evening' and everything was fine with the world before 9:30 pm and Gerrys last check is what i find most aggravating. Its as though anybody who hasnt read extensively on the case, has been blagged into accepting that as gospel.
If im sure of nothing else in this case, then im sure that the 'official tale' of the Thursday evening as told by the M's and the Tapas gang, needs pulling apart.
Any objective investigation of this case, could begin nowhere else. The fact that hasnt taken place , deflates any optimism i have for this case to be solved.
Any 1st month probationary police officer, let alone an experienced investigator / interviewer, could tie up the McCanns & their friends in a few seconds.

Q: How did you manage to take a photo in bright sunshine on a day when it was dull & cloudy?
A: Errrm, er well, err hmmm it's not our fault that some smartarse checked the weather, they shouldn't have checked it.

Q: Why did you state that the shutters had been forced open?
A: Errrm, er well, err hmmm it's not our fault that the stupid Portuguese police arranged for forensic testing, they shouldn't have tested them.

In fact we're not to blame for anything, it's the IVF clinic's fault that Madeleine was born in the first place so it's the clinic that should be under investigation & not us!
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Post by GordonGarner on 08.05.17 8:58

Er yes, LOL, I see where you are coming from.
The M's tale would struggle to withstand much scrutiny !!
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Post by Jill Havern on 08.05.17 9:16

@GordonGarner wrote:Er yes, LOL, I see where you are coming from.
The M's tale would struggle to withstand much scrutiny !!
At least with all this confusion, and the country split on what they do and don't believe, they'll get a fair trial when the time comes.
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Post by GordonGarner on 08.05.17 11:47

Do you think that day will ever happen ?
I lost hope on that some time ago.
It would be great to see the whole event laid bare for the truth, whatever it may be, to emerge.
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Post by Jill Havern on 08.05.17 12:08

@GordonGarner wrote:Do you think that day will ever happen ?
I lost hope on that some time ago.
It would be great to see the whole event laid bare for the truth, whatever it may be, to emerge.
I did say "when the time comes" and not "if the time comes" winkwink

We all need to stick with it - here on CMOMM; on twitter; on blogs and websites; on facebook.

We need to keep submitting FOI's, petitions, complaints etc.

But most importantly, we need Colin Sutton to make an official 'Misconduct in Public Office' complaint based on what he publicly said in the Daily Mail and the Sky1 documentary.

If he doesn't have the bottle to follow through, although he said he "wasn't a snowflake", then we will have to do it for him. He's certainly opened the door for us to do that, for which I'm grateful.

Colin said he would be back here to take part in debate after the Sky1 documentary had aired but there's no sign of him, even though he's busy on twitter.

If we lose hope and give up then there will never be Justice for Madeleine Beth McCann. We've spent ten years on this case and we can't give up now.

Plus, Gonçalo has got his voice back, since the Supreme Court ruling, and he's not done yet.
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Post by sandancer on 08.05.17 12:51

It's all gone quiet​ in the media now the 3rd has passed .

It will​ Never​ go quiet on the likes of CMOMM , not with people like Jill , HideHo , Peter​ Mac , Tony , Richard and the other great researchers here.

As said by Jill Goncalo has his voice back , his time is coming .

The little girl​ with no voice has many prepared​ to speak for​ her , not her parents​ or her family​ sadly . Those voices will Not be silenced​ or intimidated​ .

Colin , are you prepared to be one​ of​ her voices ? I sincerely​ hope​ so .

I cannot​ and will​ not give​ up hope , Madeleine and the twins deserve Truth and Justice .

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Post by Verdi on 08.05.17 12:54

Madeleine has always been pushed into the background whilst the parents take centre stage.

Utterly, despicable!

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Post by Jill Havern on 08.05.17 13:04

@sandancer wrote:It will​ Never​ go quiet on the likes of CMOMM , not with people like Jill , HideHo , Peter​ Mac , Tony , Richard and the other great researchers here.
That's very kind of you to put me first in the list, but I wouldn't say I'm a great researcher!

I just like to prod those in authority with a sharp stick and prompt them to do the job they're paid to do and, whilst they're at it, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, cover up the death of a three-year-old child in the process.

It is just NOT acceptable, by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by Mirage on 08.05.17 13:14

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
@GordonGarner wrote:Do you think that day will ever happen ?
I lost hope on that some time ago.
It would be great to see the whole event laid bare for the truth, whatever it may be, to emerge.
I did say "when the time comes" and not "if the time comes" winkwink

We all need to stick with it - here on CMOMM; on twitter; on blogs and websites; on facebook.

We need to keep submitting FOI's, petitions, complaints etc.

But most importantly, we need Colin Sutton to make an official 'Misconduct in Public Office' complaint based on what he publicly said in the Daily Mail and the Sky1 documentary.

If he doesn't have the bottle to follow through, although he said he "wasn't a snowflake", then we will have to do it for him.

Colin said he would be back here to take part in debate after the Sky1 documentary had aired but there's no sign of him, even though he's busy on twitter.

If we lose hope and give up then there will never be Justice for Madeleine Beth McCann. We've spent ten years on this case and we can't give up now.

Plus, Gonçalo has got his voice back, since the Supreme Court ruling, and he's not done yet.
It is crucial that the many layers of injustice surrounding this case are exposed and dealt with for the political health of this country. That will require a leader of immense calibre to step up to the plate and face facts.

There will have to be widespread prosecutions for misconduct in public office through perverting the course of justice and much else - that is obvious to a blind man.

One way or another, ten years' worth of shite in the Augean stables is going to require someone with guts and integrity to hose it down. Will that person be Mrs May?

All the while  this case drags on, it is damaging our standing in the world. If she didn't  realise it before, Mrs May should now.

The damage to the Met's reputation is off-the-scale dire, to the point where it should  be disbanded in my opinion. I would hand in my badge if I knew what was going on. What is the purpose of joining the police, after all? I'd rather stack supermarket shelves than be part of this outfit.

OG have not only let Madeleine McCann down, they have taken the British public for idiots, pulled neo-colonial rank on the Portuguese investigators and wasted shedloads of taxpayer money. Despicable on every count, and made so much more dishonourable coming from those who almost certainly profess EU values and lament brexit.

The world Mrs May talks of reconnecting with is largely the English-speaking world who all know something  reeks about this case.

The constitutional tenet that defines Britain; that says we are all equal under the law and that police investigate crime on evidence and without fear or favour has been flouted, to protect person or persons who are more equal than others. That has become obvious.

Worse, we are very isolated politically now by choice BUT if we devolve further into the nasty little feudal state that hides in the underbelly of a post modern society then ridicule will be the least of the Met's problems. I am convinced this case will remain a canker at the heart of our country: the destroyer  of national pride and historic values.

Make no mistake,  we are on the verge of facing worlwide condemnation for being hypocrites of the highest order. The thin layer of media manipulation is threadbare and cannot continue indefinitely. People regroup for fear of taint when tipping point is reached.

All the "Maggie" rhetoric from Mrs May is never going to  wash this ugly stain from our national fabric. She needs to see that, sooner rather than later, or it will define her political legacy.
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Post by Jill Havern on 08.05.17 13:14

@sandancer wrote:It's all gone quiet​ in the media now the 3rd has passed .
Don't forget we've got Maddie's 14th Birthday coming up on Friday.

I'm sure Clarrie, Kandohla and her own parents won't fail to trash her memory some more.
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Post by Jill Havern on 08.05.17 13:23

@Mirage wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:
@GordonGarner wrote:Do you think that day will ever happen ?
I lost hope on that some time ago.
It would be great to see the whole event laid bare for the truth, whatever it may be, to emerge.
I did say "when the time comes" and not "if the time comes" winkwink

We all need to stick with it - here on CMOMM; on twitter; on blogs and websites; on facebook.

We need to keep submitting FOI's, petitions, complaints etc.

But most importantly, we need Colin Sutton to make an official 'Misconduct in Public Office' complaint based on what he publicly said in the Daily Mail and the Sky1 documentary.

If he doesn't have the bottle to follow through, although he said he "wasn't a snowflake", then we will have to do it for him.

Colin said he would be back here to take part in debate after the Sky1 documentary had aired but there's no sign of him, even though he's busy on twitter.

If we lose hope and give up then there will never be Justice for Madeleine Beth McCann. We've spent ten years on this case and we can't give up now.

Plus, Gonçalo has got his voice back, since the Supreme Court ruling, and he's not done yet.
It is crucial that the many layers of injustice surrounding this case are exposed and dealt with for the political health of this country. That will require a leader of immense calibre to step up to the plate and face facts.

There will have to be widespread prosecutions for misconduct in public office through perverting the course of justice and much else - that is obvious to a blind man.

One way or another, ten years' worth of shite in the Augean stables is going to require someone with guts and integrity to hose it down. Will that person be Mrs May?

All the while  this case drags on, it is damaging our standing in the world. If she didn't  realise it before, Mrs May should now.

The damage to the Met's reputation is off-the-scale dire, to the point where it should  be disbanded in my opinion. I would hand in my badge if I knew what was going on. What is the purpose of joining the police, after all? I'd rather stack supermarket shelves than be part of this outfit.

OG have not only let Madeleine McCann down, they have taken the British public for idiots, pulled neo-colonial rank on the Portuguese investigators and wasted shedloads of taxpayer money. Despicable on every count, and made so much more dishonourable coming from those who almost certainly profess EU values and lament brexit.

The world Mrs May talks of reconnecting with is largely the English-speaking world who all know something  reeks about this case.

The constitutional tenet that defines Britain; that says we are all equal under the law and that police investigate crime on evidence and without fear or favour has been flouted, to protect person or persons who are more equal than others. That has become obvious.

Worse, we are very isolated politically now by choice BUT if we devolve further into the nasty little feudal state that hides in the underbelly of a post modern society then ridicule will be the least of the Met's problems. I am convinced this case will remain a canker at the heart of our country: the destroyer  of national pride and historic values.

Make no mistake,  we are on the verge of facing worlwide condemnation for being hypocrites of the highest order. The thin layer of media manipulation is threadbare and cannot continue indefinitely. People regroup for fear of taint when tipping point is reached.

All the "Maggie" rhetoric from Mrs May is never going to  wash this ugly stain from our national fabric. She needs to see that, sooner rather than later, or it will define her political legacy.
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Post by polyenne on 08.05.17 13:31

Great post Mirage, I agree wholeheartedly with every sentiment. Thank God for the internet, social media and platforms such as this forum...................there are many voices that WILL be heard
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Post by Keitei on 08.05.17 13:34

Mirage that is one hell of a post, just wonderful.

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Post by Jill Havern on 08.05.17 14:01

@Keitei wrote:Mirage that is one hell of a post, just wonderful.
Isn't it just?

And it's now winging its way around cyberspace and being shared here, there and everywhere!  

Mirage, stunning post! clapping


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Post by Tom Moore on 08.05.17 14:13

We British are known for refusing to admit our problems and mistreating our children. If the UK establishment ever does not admit the (or even some) truth about Madeleine McCann, that needs to be the beginning rather than an end.
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Post by MrsC on 08.05.17 14:48

@Tom Moore wrote:We British are known for refusing to admit our problems and mistreating our children. If the UK establishment ever does not admit the (or even some) truth about Madeleine McCann, that needs to be the beginning rather than an end.

Are we?

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