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9News Australia - Madeleine McCann: Key witness statement about blood in rental car should be explored (24th April) - Sandy Cameron statement from PJ files and video of Eddie and Keela

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9News Australia - Madeleine McCann: Key witness statement about blood in rental car should be explored (24th April) - Sandy Cameron statement from PJ files and video of Eddie and Keela

Post by RosieandSam on 24.04.17 20:13

Madeleine McCann: Key witness statement about blood in rental car should be explored

A law enforcement expert who specialises in detecting lies and deception has pinpointed an "area of concern" in a key witness statement in the Madeleine McCann case.

Mark McClish, a former US Marshall and Secret Service agent, has analysed a statement given to police in 2008 by Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, almost one year after Maddie vanished.

Parts of that statement which relate to blood and a strange odour in the back of a rental car should be explored further, McClish said.

In the aftermath of Maddie's disappearance Alexander 'Sandy' Cameron flew into Portugal from England with his wife Trish, and spent nearly three months with Kate and Gerry.

During that time Sandy was listed as a registered driver for a silver Renault Scenic that had been rented by the McCanns.

In late July of 2007, that vehicle became a lightning rod of interest to both Portugal's detectives and the huge media pack that had descended on the small town of Praia da Luz.

As the hunt for the missing four-year-old intensified, a pair of British police dogs, one a specialist in sniffing out human cadaverine, the other a human blood canine, were brought to Portugal.

The dogs were filmed alerting inside the McCann holiday apartment, next to a shelved wardrobe in Kate and Gerry's bedroom and behind a couch in the living room.
   
Media surround the McCann family car as it leaves the apartment in Praia da Luz with the twins September 8, 2007 in the Algarve, Portugal. Source: Getty

Later, both dogs again registered hits on the Renault Scenic which had been hired by the McCanns 25 days after Madeleine disappeared.

Swabs were taken from the boot of the car and sent for forensics, revealing 15 of the 19 markers matched Madeleine's DNA.
The report from British forensic scientist John Lowe stated the results were "too complex for meaningful inclusion and interpretation".

In an attempt to try and make sense of the forensic results, Portuguese investigators requested Sandy Cameron make a written statement, which included answers to several questions about the Renault car.

Cameron wrote how he would sometimes use the car to take black garbage bags from the villa where he and the McCanns were staying to the local dump.

He also explained how blood from meat, fish and shrimps had leaked from shopping bags into the boot of the car, which was where human blood dog Keela alerted.
   
The paragraph that is an "area of concern". Mark McClish believed Sandy Cameron's statement "appears to be truthful with one area of concern". Source: PJ Files

McClish, who now trains police and military interrogators in the art of statement analysis, said Cameron's overall statement appeared truthful but that the part about leaked blood warranted further investigation.


It was an "area of concern", according to McClish.

Like cadaver dogs, statement analysis is not evidence admissible in court. Law enforcement agencies use these tools to assist investigations and zero in on potential line of inquiry.

McClish told Nine.com.au that careful examination of words, phrases and language could help ascertain deception or truth.
"A truthful person's language will usually remain consistent.

"Deceptive people will sometimes use synonyms because they are making up a portion of their story they cannot relate to and consequently do not always follow their personal dictionary."

Throughout his statement, Cameron used the word "vehicle" to describe the Renault until he reaches the point where he talks about the odour. Then the Renault becomes a "car".

While recounting the blood and odour, Cameron also made a change in language between past and present tense.
"The use of present tense is an indication this part of the story may not be coming from memory," McClish told Nine.com.au

The former cop said every small word in a statement has a meaning and justification.

He added that, if he were an investigator, he would be inclined to ask Cameron more about the odour and the trips to the supermarket.

McClish noted how Cameron, despite have a much closer personal relationship to Gerry, ordered the pair as "Kate and Gerry" significantly more often throughout the statement.

"It may be that he feels that Kate needs more support than Gerry, which caused him to mention her name first," McClish theorised.

The McCanns have resolutely denied any involvement in the disappearance of their daughter.

Please click on link: You will see that this news article includes the video of Eddie and Keela

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/04/24/14/44/madeleine-mccann-statement-analysis-concern-in-statement-about-rental-car-blood-odour#gcG4hm5p2uKdgATB.99
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Re: 9News Australia - Madeleine McCann: Key witness statement about blood in rental car should be explored (24th April) - Sandy Cameron statement from PJ files and video of Eddie and Keela

Post by RosieandSam on 24.04.17 20:25

It would appear that Mark McClish is a Statement Analyst (like Peter Hyatt)

My name is Mark McClish. I am a retired Supervisory Deputy United States Marshal with 26 years of federal law enforcement experience. From 1991 to 1999, I taught interviewing techniques at the U.S. Marshals Service Training Academy which is located at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Georgia. During my nine years teaching at the Training Academy I conducted research on deceptive language. Based on my findings, I developed techniques to determine if a person is lying or telling the truth by analyzing the subject's language. I call my method for examining a person's words Statement Analysis®.

Statement Analysis® is the most accurate way of determining if a person is lying in a verbal or written statement. A person cannot give a lengthy deceptive statement without revealing that it is a lie. This is because people's words will betray them. There are usually several ways you can phrase a statement. People will always word their statement based on all their knowledge. Therefore, their statement may contain information they did not intend to share. Even though people may want to withhold information, they will give us more information than what they realize. Unfortunately, they sometimes give us more information than what we realize. The key is to listen to what people are telling you and to know what to look for in a statement.

http://www.statementanalysis.com/
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Re: 9News Australia - Madeleine McCann: Key witness statement about blood in rental car should be explored (24th April) - Sandy Cameron statement from PJ files and video of Eddie and Keela

Post by Carrry On Doctor on 24.04.17 22:48

Interesting.

Is this is a separate analysis to the sequel (Next up:  McCann Brother-in-law statement to police) as promised at the end of the recent Peter Hyatt Blog (see link) ?

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/madeleine-mccann-nannys-statements.html
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Re: 9News Australia - Madeleine McCann: Key witness statement about blood in rental car should be explored (24th April) - Sandy Cameron statement from PJ files and video of Eddie and Keela

Post by Carrry On Doctor on 24.04.17 23:14

Not sure if posted already, but extracts of comments on TextUSA Blog today;

TextUSA: We hope to put up something simple on the anniversary and might - repeat might - write up something about a person who is completely unrelated to the case but has very, very big implications to it: Bill O'Reilly.


Reply from Anon: You have intrigued me regarding Bill - 
dont mind if you dont wish to publish but I was looking into why he may be of importance. 
Earlier this year, when Rupert Murdoch and senior executives at Fox News’s parent company signed Bill O’Reilly to a new multiyear contract, they knew something the rest of the world didn’t: The star host had been accused of sexual and verbal harassment by women at Fox five times over the preceding 15 years.

They knew it because the company, 21st Century Fox, had paid money to settle two of the complaints. They also knew that the public was unlikely to find out because attorneys for O’Reilly and the company had signed his accusers to agreements binding them to confidentiality. In exchange for their silence and a promise not to sue, the women received payments totaling $3 million from 21st Century Fox.


Separate comment from another Anon;
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bill-oreilly-fox-news-rupert-murdoch-sky-takeover-bid-ofcom-sexual-harassment-sex-allegations-sacked-a7693971.html

Washington Post 
'How the Murdochs took a multimillion-dollar gamble on Bill O’Reilly — and lost'

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/media/rupert-murdoch-era/
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Re: 9News Australia - Madeleine McCann: Key witness statement about blood in rental car should be explored (24th April) - Sandy Cameron statement from PJ files and video of Eddie and Keela

Post by ChippyM on 25.04.17 7:57

Has anyone noticed The Daily Mail have published the statement about Rotting meat in the hire car in a story about Pat Brown?

They have mentioned the dogs  Shocked


"An expert in lying and deception has claimed Gerry McCann's brother-in-law's statement is 'an area of concern'.
Mark McClish, a former US Marshall and Secret Service agent, said the statement on blood and a strange odour in a rental car needs further investigation.
After the disappearance, Alexander 'Sandy' Cameron flew into Portugal from England with his wife Trish and spent months with Kate and Gerry.
Mr Cameron was listed as a registered driver of a Renault Scenic that the McCann's had rented 25 days after the disappearance.
British police dogs detected blood and tissue in the apartment they had rented, and in the boot of the Renault. 
Mr Cameron then explained that he used the car to transport rubbish and blood had leaked out of a broken bag, and he later noticed a foul smell.
Mr McClish said he believed the overall statement was truthful, he believed that the section in question needed further investgation because of the language used.
Speaking to Australia's 9news, he said: 'Deceptive people will sometimes use synonyms because they are making up a portion of their story they cannot relate to and consequently do not always follow their personal dictionary.'?''
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4441000/Crime-expert-suing-channel-Madeline-McCann-programme.html#newcomment

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Re: 9News Australia - Madeleine McCann: Key witness statement about blood in rental car should be explored (24th April) - Sandy Cameron statement from PJ files and video of Eddie and Keela

Post by plebgate on 25.04.17 8:58

"An expert in lying and deception has claimed Gerry McCann's brother-in-law's statement is an "area of concern""

Wow fancy the Daily Mail printing that.  WOWSER.

Stand by for the Charlatan comments and statement analysis not being scientific - even though the US police do use these experts.

Will we see this printed in any other tabloid snoozepapers?

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Post by ChippyM on 25.04.17 9:04

@Plebgate

I read the comments and no-one had even noticed what was said in that little panel on the side of the article, they were just commenting on Pat Brown.

I left some comments about them mentioning the dogs but who knows if they will get published...

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Post by pennylane on 25.04.17 9:05

@ChippyM wrote:Has anyone noticed The Daily Mail have published the statement about Rotting meat in the hire car in a story about Pat Brown?

They have mentioned the dogs  Shocked


"An expert in lying and deception has claimed Gerry McCann's brother-in-law's statement is 'an area of concern'.
Mark McClish, a former US Marshall and Secret Service agent, said the statement on blood and a strange odour in a rental car needs further investigation.
After the disappearance, Alexander 'Sandy' Cameron flew into Portugal from England with his wife Trish and spent months with Kate and Gerry.
Mr Cameron was listed as a registered driver of a Renault Scenic that the McCann's had rented 25 days after the disappearance.
British police dogs detected blood and tissue in the apartment they had rented, and in the boot of the Renault. 
Mr Cameron then explained that he used the car to transport rubbish and blood had leaked out of a broken bag, and he later noticed a foul smell.
Mr McClish said he believed the overall statement was truthful, he believed that the section in question needed further investgation because of the language used.
Speaking to Australia's 9news, he said: 'Deceptive people will sometimes use synonyms because they are making up a portion of their story they cannot relate to and consequently do not always follow their personal dictionary.'?''
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4441000/Crime-expert-suing-channel-Madeline-McCann-programme.html#newcomment


Yes saw that, plus the Smith sighting re Gerry McCann... with analysis straight from Pat Brown's blog, has also been mentioned!

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Post by pennylane on 25.04.17 9:09

@ChippyM wrote:@Plebgate

I read the comments and no-one had even noticed what was said in that little panel on the side of the article, they were just commenting on Pat Brown.

I left some comments about them mentioning the dogs but who knows if they will get published...

Those comments are being severely edited so far!

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Post by plebgate on 25.04.17 9:10

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@ChippyM wrote:@Plebgate

I read the comments and no-one had even noticed what was said in that little panel on the side of the article, they were just commenting on Pat Brown.

I left some comments about them mentioning the dogs but who knows if they will get published...
Well you have tried ChippyM so a thumbs up for that.

Maybe they will surprise us all and allow your comments to be printed - another WOW if they do.

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Post by ChippyM on 25.04.17 12:23

@plebgate wrote:.
@ChippyM wrote:@Plebgate

I read the comments and no-one had even noticed what was said in that little panel on the side of the article, they were just commenting on Pat Brown.

I left some comments about them mentioning the dogs but who knows if they will get published...
Well you have tried ChippyM so a thumbs up for that.

Maybe they will surprise us all and allow your comments to be printed - another WOW if they do.

No it seems they don't want to allow them, I was able to leave comments on the Amaral MI5 article yesterday though.

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