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* GENERAL ELECTION, Thursday 8 JUNE 2017 * How will you vote? - POLL added

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Post by pennylane on 19.04.17 14:01

@plebgate wrote:Oh well Tony Blair has spoken - that should she Terri May win with a huge majority.

Yes, every little helps as they say! smilie

Both Blair and the McCanns are too narcissistic to compute that they're the kiss of death to any bandwagon they hitch themselves up to!

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Post by pennylane on 19.04.17 14:15

@Tony Bennett wrote:As to the General Election, I intend at present to vote Conservative.

There is a powerful anti-democratic campaign being led by the likes of Tony Blair, Tim Farron (LibDem leader), Nick Clegg and others of their ilk including Kenneth Clarke and Anna Soubry in the Conservative Party. Besides that, there is massive anti-Conservatie 'Remain'-backing majority in the House of Lords and many of them are plotting to do all they can to frustrate Brexit.

We, the people, were told 'The decision is yours'. Well we've decided. End of.

Theresa May has said 'Brexit means Brexit'. Further, she has said that 1. we leaving the single market 2. we are leaving the E.U. customs union and 3. we are going to end freedom of movement for E.U. citizens and introduce a measure of control over their ability to enter the U.K. a will - all of which I strongly agree with.

On top of all that, she has twice said, with emphasis: 'NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN A BAD DEAL'. I strongly agree that as well.

I think there is too much ill-will against the British on the continent of Europe for them to offer us a fair deal.

A strong vote for Theresa May and the Conservatives will shore up her position and in addition will strengthen her hand in the negotiations with the E.U., giving us the best chance of obtaining a reasonable outcome. I think she needs every vote she can get in order to get us out, and free again to conduct our own relations with other countries and run our own affairs once again.



[ Plus, should Labour win the election, Jeremy Corbyn would be Prime Minister, ex-Communist John McDonnell would be Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Diane Abbott, Corbyn's ex-lover, will be Home Secretary  Rolling Eyes ]


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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.04.17 14:38

@TB

Do YOU have a 'view' on TM's 'assertion', that 13-20 currently serving Tory MP's, at present, under CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, referred to the CPS by 15 separate UK police forces, for 'electoral expenses FRAUD' can, or should, 'stand' as candidates in a possible forthcoming GE?

RESULT of MP's to have a 'general election' vote.

19th April 2017.

14:45 pm.

AYES  522

NOES 13

'MAJORITY' 509

The 'ayes' have it, the 'ayes' have it!

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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.04.17 15:53

https://www.channel4.com/news/exclusive-cps-considering-charges-against-over-30-people-including-tory-mps-over-expenses

18 APR 2017

Exclusive: CPS considering charges against over 30 people including Tory MPs over expenses

Criminal charges against more than 30 people, including a raft of Conservative MPs and their agents, are being considered by the Crown Prosecution Service over election expenses at the last general election, Channel 4 News can reveal.
It is not possible to say how many are MPs and how many are agents but it is understood to be a large number and it is believed that the possible prosecutions will be of MPs and election agents.
The news comes as Prime Minister Theresa May today called a snap general election.
Channel 4 News has revealed evidence over the last year that Conservative candidates did not properly declare their election expenses in the last General Election.
This led to police investigations – so far we understand 15 police forces have passed files to the Crown Prosecution Service.
The CPS has told Channel 4 News that the snap General Election announcement has no impact on them whatsoever – and that their only concern is to consider the evidence and decide whether charges should be brought.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission has also passed a single file to the CPS.
‘MP’s have behaved properly’
Home Secretary Amber Rudd told Channel 4 News the prospect of a series of byelections was not the reason the election was called.
“This election has been called for all the reasons the Prime Minister has set out which is that it is in our national interest to have a strong government with a strong majority able to go in and have that negotiation with the EU and beyond.”
Asked by Channel 4 News whether MPs charged in connection with these cases should step aside, she said: “We’re not trying to get in the way at all of the proper due process of law, that must go ahead, but we believe that the Conservatives and the MPs in question and the agents have behaved properly.
“If there are any conclusions to the contrary, we will pay the fines, whatever is appropriate."
“But at the moment, what we’ve been focusing on today, is that we want to have this general election and we’re making the case for it.
“The impact on the prosecutions, whether they make them or not from the CPS, is not impacted by this”, she told Channel 4 News.

‘The Tories were terrified’

The Conservatives have a working majority of 17 MPs.
The CPS decision must be made by the end of May, or early June.

Charges could be brought against MPs right in the middle of the general election campaign.

The former UKIP leader Nigel Farage said on his LBC radio show, regarding the role of the election expenses allegations on the decision to call an election: “I think the Tories were terrified of something breaking over the course of the next few months, byelections to be held in September, certainly a dozen seats in which there was the possibility of a by election some say even 20. And that for a government with a working majority of 12.
“And I have to pay credit to somebody on this … his name is [Channel 4 News political correspondent] Michael Crick.”

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Post by Tony Bennett on 19.04.17 16:42

@jeanmonroe wrote:@TB

Do YOU have a 'view' on TM's 'assertion', that 13-20 currently serving Tory MP's, at present, under CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, referred to the CPS by 15 separate UK police forces, for 'electoral expenses FRAUD' can, or should, 'stand' as candidates in a possible forthcoming GE?

Generally speaking, of course where there is evidence that any person has committed a crime, they should be prosecuted.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but at the moment I believe the people concerned, not all Conservatives, are merely under investigation.

To proceed, the Crown Prosecution Service must agree, first, that there is prima facie evidence that a crime has been committed, and, second, that there is a greater than 50% chance of a successful conviction.

All of these people may be wholly innocent.

All these people may never be charged.

All these people, even if the CPS charge them, may eventually be found 'Not Guilty'.

So under these circumstances, I cannot see that any of those currently under investigation should be barred from standing for election.

If they are found guilty eventually, I hope they will be punished appropriately.


Edited to add:  Yet again, Nigel Farage was ahead of the game. Back in November, he said on LBC Radio that Theresa May should call an early General Election to crush the 'Remoaner' saboteurs like Blair, Farron and Ken Clarke, and establish a clear, strong mandate for the coming tough negotiations with our E.U. masters, oops, partners, who want to 'punish' is for having the audacity to vote 'Leave'.

Well done Nigel - here's a 2-minute clip of him on LBC yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_puDFDcWPY


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Post by Tony Bennett on 19.04.17 19:50

@Tony Bennett wrote:How will you vote? - Poll added

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news



LATEST OPINION POLLS

Taking an average of the last 5 national opinion polls for Great Britain (i.e. excluding N. Ireland), current voting intention is:

44 CON
26 LAB
(11 UKIP  
(11 LibDem
4 GREEN
The left-wing Guardian newspaper organised a snap poll yesterday by polling organisation ICM. The results indicate a clear majority believe it was right for Theresa May to call this election and seem to agree with her reasons for doing so, i.e. to minimise the damage being done by those anti-democratic elements who are trying their damndest to derail Brexit.

Here are the results:

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Majority of voters think May right to change her mind and call an early election, poll suggests


ICM has carried out a snap poll today (pdf) on the general election announcement. The state of the party figures are very good for the Conservatives, although that is not particularly surprising because other recent polls have produced similar results.
What is potentially more significant is that the poll shows strong support for Theresa May’s decision to call an early election. Voters accept her argument for doing a U-turn on an early election, and do not seem to mind being dragged to the polls only two years after the last general election.
Here are the key figures.
Conservatives: 46% (up 2 from Guardian/ICM over the weekend)

Labour: 25% (down 1)
Lib Dems: 11% (up 1)
Ukip: 8% (down 3)
Greens: 4% (no change)

Conservative lead: 21 points (up 3)

This is the joint highest Conservative lead in Guardian/IMC polling, matching the Tory lead in June 1983. And, at 46%, the Conservative share of the vote is also at its joint highest, matching its figure in the 1992 general election.


  • Snap Guardian/ICM poll suggests Conservatives have a 21-point lead over Labour, their joint highest lead since this polling series started in the 1980s.


People were asked if they supported or opposed Theresa May’s decision to call an election.
Support: 55%
Oppose: 15%

Most voters support an early election, the poll suggests. Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem voters back the early election in broadly equal numbers (64%, 65% and 60% respectively).

Those least supportive are Ukip voters, only 49% of whom back holding an early election.
It was then put to respondents that May used to be adamant that she would not call an early election. They were asked which of these three statements they most agreed with.

The situation has changed, and May is right to change her mind: 54%
Nothing has changed and May is wrong to hold an election: 21%
Don’t know: 25%

  • A majority of voters think May is right to change her mind on an early election.


Respondents were then asked what outcome they expected.

  • About a quarter of respondents said they expected the Conservatives to win a majority of more than 100.


People were asked if they would treat this as a normal general election or as a second Brexit referendum.
Normal general election: 67%
Second Brexit referendum: 17%

There was a question about which team is best able to manage the economy.
Theresa May and Philip Hammond: 51%
Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell: 12%

  • May and Philip Hammond have a 39-point lead over Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell on economic competence, the poll suggests.


And finally, there were questions about whether leaders are doing a good or bad job.
May
Good job: 57%
Bad job: 24%
Net score: +33

Corbyn
Good job: 13%
Bad job: 61%
Net score: -48

  • May has a massive lead over Corbyn in terms of general approval ratings.


[ ICM Unlimited interviewed a representative sample of 1,000 adults aged 18+ online immediately after the announcement that a general election had been called on 18 April 2017. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults. ICM is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules ]

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Post by quaestorr on 20.04.17 9:13

This election is also an opportunity to ask the candidates their views on OG. Anyone who doorsteps me better have an informed response if they want to be taken seriously!
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Post by pennylane on 20.04.17 13:59

@quaestorr wrote:This election is also an opportunity to ask the candidates their views on OG. Anyone who doorsteps me better have an informed response if they want to be taken seriously!
 
I doubt they will have much if anything to offer re Op Grange, other than commonly shared views re the waste of money all these years for one child, when so many others go missing daily!   Let us know if you get any responses thumbsup

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Post by willowthewisp on 20.04.17 18:20

Hi Mr Tony Bennett,thanks for the latest figures and facts in regard to the up and coming general Election.

Perhaps it is how Mr Corbyn has stated,that it is a General Election for the"Establishment"to Govern the people and not what an Election is for,"The Will of the people" it is to Govern on their behalf, if you pass the required number of Votes?
It is quite clear that Prime minister,Theresa May has a problem within the Houses of Parliament and the Lords chambers over the Brexit challenge of Article 50 and hopes to capitalise on Mr Corbyn's weakness of a disjointed Labour Party in regard to(Blair,Mandelson,Campbell)Boot club NEC?

Perhaps Mrs May is hopeful of a very big majority,so that in any future challenges within that Parliament system,would be unsuccessful to defy the "Will of that government" to Govern the people,how they see fit to Rule the Country,(Iron Fist) hand bagging of Europe of Mrs Thatcher style on the Rebate challenge!?

One thing is for certain,the"Blue collar workers"have had the Labour Party under Tony Blair and the other cronies,Brown,Mandelson,Campbell have cost the hopes of a lot "Honest"people to be represented in the House of Commons and its electoral procedures being abused,when they were in Government?

Let us hope that the people who voted for Brexit are Not used by the"Establishment"to  have it foisted upon them as a misguided mantra,when that Conservative Government bequeathed for them to Remain as part of the European Union,then had No plan B if they lost the referendum vote?
Both Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn voted to Remain as part of the European union 2016 Referendum and only One person will be the preferred winner to commit to leaving the European Union after the 2017 General Election? 
That is the reason why they voted the way they did in the Referendum,to"Govern for themselves",Not to be forced against their Will by others voices?
The General Election should not be soley a Rerun of the Brexit debate,it involves the Millions of people eligible to vote on Manifesto of Commitments to be Governed by the forth coming Government of the day. 
Take a long look at how your welfare is after over nine years of Conservative Rules,austerity and cuts to millions of peoples lives,the Cuts to Local Governments and the ability to provide services to their residents/
The cuts within the NHS and"Privatisation via the back door(Richard Branson, Social Services Contracts),Education and the cuts to School Budgets which will have an impact on thousands of children and Teachers?
Remember the"We'er All in this Together"when millions of people are forced to accept falling living standards as some sort of punishment for excesses being allowed by Banking Institutions,"You've Never had it so Good"(McMillan)moments,your home repossessed,being moved into a different economic climate?
It is Not just about Brexit,it is for everyone to improve their lives if they can in any Future Government,not certain classes?

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Post by polyenne on 20.04.17 20:16

And I thought this was a forum to find the truth for MBM. This thread is in danger of re-opening political wounds and should be halted in its tracks right away

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For sure, you won't find so much sheer information, research, analysis, debate and discussion on any other Madeleine forum, and that's precisely why it's so much more popular and frequently visited and read than any other Madeleine forum.

But for well over 7 years it has some extra bits, after all, this is a forum, a community, and we have always been able to discuss other issues in a lively manner without falling out.  'willowthewisp' above has posted his views sincerely and calmly and no doubt when he has the time Tony will respond in kind. We suggest you don't visit this section any more and concentrate giving us your input into our investigation into what really happened to Madeleine. We are getting there, which is a heck of a lot more than you can say for Operation Grange  - Mod      
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Post by plebgate on 20.04.17 20:44

I agree that this election shouldn't just be about Brexit but unfortunately I think it will be.


I read today that the conservative manifesto will commit to no free movement and limited overseas monetary help and the billions saved on that will go primarily to defence.

I would like to see billions put into the NHS and care for the elderly but I didn't read anything about that.  I do hope that this will be addressed.  

Terri May take note, the NHS is loved by us all and will be a guaranteed vote winner imo.

Brexit is Brexit but the Nations Health is the Nations Health and MUST BE taken care of.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 20.04.17 22:29

@willowthewisp wrote:Take a long look at how your welfare is after over nine years of Conservative rules, austerity and cuts to millions of peoples lives, the cuts to Local Governments and the ability to provide services to their residents.
The cuts within the NHS and 'Privatisation via the back door', education and the cuts to school budgets which will have an impact on thousands of children and teachers?
Remember the "We're all in this together" when millions of people are forced to accept falling living standards as some sort of punishment for excesses being allowed by banking institutions, "You've never had it so ggod" (McMillan) moments, your home repossessed, being moved into a different economic climate?
It is not just about Brexit, it is for everyone to improve their lives if they can in any future government, not certain classes?
You raise complex issues. It is by no means as clear cut as: 'Labour good, Coservative bad'.

Here are a few brief points.

Regarding the last Labour government, 1997 to 2010:

1. The banking crisis was at least partly of Labour's own making. In the very week Blair was elected (1 May 1997), the brand new Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown, boasted: "I am deregulating the Bank of England" and "I want to bring in 'a light touch' approach to financial regulation". Well, just look where that got us! - into a fine old mess! The reduced living standards you spoke of, which have been recovering over the past three years (the statistics prove that) were down to the banking crisis, which Labour actually facilitated by Gordon Brown's rash actions on his first week in office.

2. The Labour government grossly overspent during its 13 years in office, usually not achieving much benefit from it. If you wanted proof of that, look no further than the note Cabinet Minister Liam Byrne left on his dek when Cameron came to power: "Good luck! You will need it! There's no money left!". And how true that was. Labour left the country with a massive deficit, so some regrettable cuts had to be made. And at last the deficit is coming down - to slowly. But where I will certainly agree with you is that too often these cuts have fallen on the least well off. 

3. Hmmm, the NHS. It is very far from functioning efficiently. One of the fundamental reasons the NHS is so strapped for cash is Labour's crazy fund-raising scheme for funding new hospitals, PPP ('Public and Private Partnership'). To build these new hopsitals, the government borrowed vast amounts of private money at eye-wateringly high interest rates. The new hospitals got built, but Labour has saddled the NHS with billions of pounds of interest which we will have to pay back over decades.

4. Labour conducted a illegal war in Iraq which inflamed the worldwide Muslim fraternity and has directly led to many atrocities. I begged my Labour MP (Bill Rammell) not to go to, but  Bush & Blair were predetermined on war. Theresa May has pointedly said she does not favour foreign wars. I'm 100% with her on that one.

5. You speak about financial pressures on the NHS, education, schools, housing and so on. And so there are. But unrestricted immigration is a prime cause of this. We haven't got enough houses, enough school places, enough doctors. enough hospital beds etc. for the vast numbers coming in, which (net) is about 1,000 every single day.

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Post by JRP on 20.04.17 22:53

As I see the "banking crisis" it went something like this.

1) The banks lent money which they in turn had borrowed from other banks.
2) Debts went toxic as debt rose as people didn't pay their mortgages and personal loans.
3) Gordon Brown bailed out the banks with tax payers money.

We now have a deficit which we (the tax payers) have to pay back.
So not only did we give the banks money to bail them out, we now have to pay back the deficit as well.

Meanwhile the likes of Goldman Sachs laugh at our stupidity, not only did we hand them a get out of jail card, we pay the debt off too.

It's communism backing capitalism.

So rather than "banking crisis" it was a "banking con".

Banks create money, it's just figures in a computer system; the Bank of England simply prints more money and calls it quantitative easing, so why not create enough to pay off the debt?


Who owns the Bank of England by the way? Anybody know? When you find out, you'll find where all our money went/goes.

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General Election 2017,June 8th

Post by willowthewisp on 21.04.17 16:27

Hi Mr Tony Bennett,thanks for taking the time to reply my post.
I do not deny who left the incoming Conservative/Liberal Government in what you have stated,PP,Iraq War?
I think the majority of people realise of what is expected living as adults and the expenditure associated to how you live?  But alas,when "Credit"is made accessible and then extended,time,time again,the multiplication has kicked in beyond peoples control,especially when the Government put in place"wage control measures" for Eight or more years?
During the past Thirty to Forty years,the UK has seen a massive loss of higher paid wages by successive Governments in heavy Industry,Coal, Steel,Glass making,fishing Industry,since the UK joined the"common Market"?
Whilst the German Government had the"Foresight"to take over various failing Car Industries within Europe?  This meant that the German people could maintain and Grow their heavy Industries in Coal,steel printing Presses,engine components for the benefit of the German Economy,whilst having access to"Business Grants"from within the European Union to support the New Cars being produced under a badged VW brand?
In fact,whilst the German Government is cutting down on Production of Nuclear fuel plants and the costs associated to making the storage of the waste products safe for Thousands of years,The UK is"Expanding" its production of Nuclear fuels?  
As you are well aware of a certain Doctor being associated to"Medical Reports" from the UK to German Reports,differing in the amount of"Carcinogenic Cancers"being produced using Nuclear fuels and the deponent's living close to Nuclear Factory?  
Does the NHS use a certain type of"Nuclear Chemical"within the Investigation of Coronary heart disease and where does this Chemical supply come from? 
Hopefully the UK population will vote in the next Government based on their"Manifesto Commitments" and not based soley around Brexit?
PS,Keep up your excellent work for this Forum and hopefully"Justice"will prevail in regard to Madeleine McCann,reported as missing by her parents 3 May 2007 from Apartment 5a Ocean Club.

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Post by plebgate on 21.04.17 18:50

I cannot believe what I have just heard on the news.  Terri May saying that foreign aid will not be cut but they will make sure it is put to better use.   Well give it back to us the British taxpayer that's a much better use imo.

Hammond is looking to put up income tax, national insurance and VAT.

Did the Nasty Party ever go away.   Not IMO.


Pay frozen or so low not worth having, but taxes up and this from the Chancellor who has at least 8 million in the bank according to newspaper reports.  The fuel prices are going up but as the taxpayers are forking out for the MPs they don't seem to care.

The MPs have been given very hefty pay rise so they're ok.  

Well Terri May you have now lost mine and my family's votes Brexit or no Brexit.

Sick of the lot of them.   Priti Patel was all for cutting the foreign aid budget before she became the Minister for doling it out.   Why the change of heart?


Not happy, not happy at all.  A coalition of all the other lot could well be on the cards now unfortunately.

Corbyn I think is right, the establishment looking after themselves as always and the rest of us still CANNON FODDER.

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Post by Mirage on 21.04.17 20:54

@plebgate wrote:I cannot believe what I have just heard on the news.  Terri May saying that foreign aid will not be cut but they will make sure it is put to better use.   Well give it back to us the British taxpayer that's a much better use imo.

Hammond is looking to put up income tax, national insurance and VAT.

Did the Nasty Party ever go away.   Not IMO.


Pay frozen or so low not worth having, but taxes up and this from the Chancellor who has at least 8 million in the bank according to newspaper reports.  The fuel prices are going up but as the taxpayers are forking out for the MPs they don't seem to care.

The MPs have been given very hefty pay rise so they're ok.  

Well Terri May you have now lost mine and my family's votes Brexit or no Brexit.

Sick of the lot of them.   Priti Patel was all for cutting the foreign aid budget before she became the Minister for doling it out.   Why the change of heart?


Not happy, not happy at all.  A coalition of all the other lot could well be on the cards now unfortunately.

Corbyn I think is right, the establishment looking after themselves as always and the rest of us still CANNON FODDER.
I agree with every word you've  said, Plebbers. I just couldn't  believe it either. There is so much anger about the 0.7 % gdp pledge made by Cameron when we have so much need at home.

I think that this will backfire for May. The older tory voters are not going to like this at all. It shows poor political judgement imo, because it is a vexed subject and will be seen as confrontational. She should have reduced foreign aid at the very least and shown some compassion for those struggling here, rather than okaying this continued grandstanding for the world stage. I won't  be voting her way either.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.04.17 23:03

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@plebgate wrote:I cannot believe what I have just heard on the news.  Terri May saying that foreign aid will not be cut but they will make sure it is put to better use.   Well give it back to us the British taxpayer that's a much better use imo....

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I agree with every word you've  said, Plebbers. I just couldn't  believe it either. There is so much anger about the 0.7 % gdp pledge made by Cameron when we have so much need at home.

I think that this will backfire for May. The older tory voters are not going to like this at all. It shows poor political judgement imo, because it is a vexed subject and will be seen as confrontational. She should have reduced foreign aid at the very least and shown some compassion for those struggling here, rather than okaying this continued grandstanding for the world stage. I won't  be voting her way either.
I understand. Fully.

I have read the accounts of how foreign aid is utterly squandered in all sorts of ways - and, yes, it is indeed a form of grandstanding.

0.7% doesn't sound like much, but it amouts to billions of pounds a year.

However... 

Will Labour reduce the 0.7%? - No.
Wiil the Liberal Democrats reduce the 0.7%? - No.  
Will the Greens reduce the 0.7%? - No.

Would UKIP reduce the 0.7%? - very possibly, I don't actually know what their policy is on this.

On your other issues @ plebgate  your points are well made. 

For me personally, this remains a Brexit General Election where, as the Daily Mail put it brutally yesterday, May and the British people must crush the anti-democratic saboteurs who are trying to wreck our referendum decision.

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Post by coati mundi on 21.04.17 23:41

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Post by plebgate on 22.04.17 6:49

@Mirage - yes I think she has been badly advised but I also think that she has done a Maggie way too soon, believing that she is all powerful because the polls have shown such a big lead over Labour.  We all know though how things can change very quickly.

@Tony - yes the others all voted for the massive 12 billion pay out ever year.   By the end of 2022 including two payments already made we will have handed over a minimum of 84 BILLION in foreign aid alone.

84 BILLION and yet they have the cheek to be raising taxs and NI.    They are taking the proverbial BIG TIME and this will not go down well with the electorate.   I cannot understand why she has chosen to call this election - there was no need and she could have just pulled us out of the EU straight away.   What could they have done to us?  NOTHING if she had told them to DO ONE.


MAY, HAMMOND AND RUDD holders of the three top positions in Government and ALL REMAINERS.   Is there method in their madness?   Osbourne said we would be punished and I am beginning to think he was right.

PAAHHHH.

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Post by BlueBag on 22.04.17 8:38

I believe we still give aid to China, India and Pakistan.

They've all got nuclear weapons.

Two of them have a space program.

Why aid?
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Post by plebgate on 22.04.17 9:10

I read last week that N. Korea had received 4 millions out of the Foreign Aid fund.

Countries with space programmes and N. Korea developing nuclear weapons.

They sure are having a laugh at our expense this lot of MPs in UK.

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Post by kaz on 22.04.17 9:11

@BlueBag wrote:I believe we still give aid to China, India and Pakistan.

They've all got nuclear weapons.

Two of them have a space program.

Why aid?

Personally I think the ‘aid’ money that we allocate for overseas has nothing to do with ‘aid’ ( as in help for the poor and needy ) at all. It’s just  used as a  tool to reward and keep onside  useful idiots. I wonder if Portugal receives any ?

As for May, she’s blown it for me, especially as my Tory  encumbent   ( a very good friend of Dave’s )  is currently under suspicion of wrongdoing. ( Are ANY of them there to serve US? )  She WAS a Remainer who very quickly got rid of Gove who I believe WAS  a genuine Brexiteer. The gossip is that May’s husband is a dedicated Remainer  too.  I’ll wait for the Manifesto Proper to be published but it looks like UKIP now for me. To be honest , what has she actually DONE almost a year after the Brexit Referendum? As a Tory is she really going to be allowed to halt the cheap labour pouring in  that the rich love so much?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 22.04.17 9:33

@coati mundi wrote:Now that various people on the forum (not least the main moderator) have let me know that it is all right to use CMOMM as a political discussion arena, I will get back to you with a response to some of the posts, just after I've stopped gagging with laughter at some of the swivel-eyed right-wingery I've read on this section in the last few days.
@ coati mundi    I do trust that, as a new member, you have already picked up the fact that such issues are debated politely and with respect, in line with our published forum debating rules, even where there are sharp differences of opinion. Subject to that, go right ahead.

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 22.04.17 9:37

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@coati mundi wrote:Now that various people on the forum (not least the main moderator) have let me know that it is all right to use CMOMM as a political discussion arena, I will get back to you with a response to some of the posts, just after I've stopped gagging with laughter at some of the swivel-eyed right-wingery I've read on this section in the last few days.
@ coati mundi    I do trust that, as a new member, you have already picked up the fact that such issues are debated politely and with respect, in line with our published forum debating rules, even where there are sharp differences of opinion. Subject to that, go right ahead.
He's not a new member - he's been here for 3 years!

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