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**NEW** Daily Mirrors, 18, 21 & 22 Apr - EX-DETECTIVE COLIN SUTTON IS ACTIVELY CONTRIBUTING TO THIS THREAD (was: Daily Mirror, 18 Apr 2017 "What REALLY happened the night Madeleine disappeared")

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Post by Hobs on 18.04.17 8:07

Posted in the sun by me.

Kate and gerry mccann have both told us Maddie is dead, confirming the reactions of the cadaver dogs to items of clothing belonging to kate, a child's red t shirt and cuddlecat as well as to the hire car.
Kate committed perjury when she claimed under oath in the Leveson inquiry that no body fluids had been find whilst previously claiming they came from dirty diapers, sweaty shoes and items of clothing and rotting meat and fish.

Gerry told us kate killed Maddie in a frenzy, claim admitted it was murder ": "They want me to lie - I'm being framed.
"Police don't want a murder in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they're blaming us."

Now why would she admit it was murder if they were claiming it was abduction and she was still alive?
It is called leakage and she let slip what actually happened to Maddie

Then we have gerry telling us how Maddie died : “Yes, yes, I know,” Gerry says bitterly. “Kate killed her in a frenzy, Madeleine was sedated by us, she fell down the stairs—in which case you would have thought they’d have found her body. I’ve heard all that! There have been a huge number of theories in the media. But what I want to know is—who told them all that?”

Note he doesn't deny the allegations, instead he wants to know who told them what happened.

We then have kate again telling us Maddie is dead when Kate said: "It really isn't easy," coping. "Some days are better than others. ... There's days when you think, 'I can't do this anymore,' and you just want to press a button, and we're all gone, and it's all finished, and we're all together and gone. Wherever. But you can't, you know. Just occasionally you'll have a -- if you're having a really bad day, which we do. And you can't help but think that."

The key word here is the word ALL.
Kate was willing to commit murder by killing the twins and gerry before killing herself so they could all be together again with Maddie.
This would be only possible if she knew Maddie was dead otherwise she commits murder-suicide and leaves Maddie an orphan.
This is not the thoughts and language of an innocent parent, it is however the the thoughts and language of a guilty person.

The we have gerry's little confessional slip "there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead and there's no evidence to implicate us in her death"
Right here he again admits Maddie is dead.

Then there is clarrie letting us know Maddie is dead and he knows it
Clarence Mitchell "I believe Kate and Gerry are not responsible for Madeleine's death"

Then we have the claims Maddie's gone (a euphemism for dead)
Kate claiming Maddie visits her at night.
Ghosts which are dead people visit people, live people cannot haunt.

Mrs Healy said: "I asked her, did the twins come and wake you up? 'No', she said, 'Madeleine came'."

Then we have gerry saying "Nothing was as bad as the night we found her"

And finally we have gerry's admission, his mea culpa on his blog

"Sometimes people do things for reasons that even they cannot understand."
"An act of madness, an accident or sudden impulse can lead to consequences that people may never have imagined or intended."
"Faced with such a situation we believe any human soul will ultimately suffer torment and feelings of guilt and fear."


Why would the mccanns constantly use the phrase grieve? You grieve for dead people not a live missing little girl.

"I don't want to do that any more. I want to be able to grieve and let those emotions out."


This article is not unexpected given the approaching anniversary.
It has mccann and pink princess fingerprints all over it.

Heck she doesn't even describe Maddie whom we know had a temper, was a screamer, was attention seeking and a hand full, whom they feared would attack the twins.
We have had 10 years of distancing language from the mccanns and their families.

How much was this nanny paid?
How much input has come from the mccanns and clarrie since i know it wouldn't have been published until they had approved it?

The mccanns have indicated for deception relating to Maddie.
Maddie is dead at their hands.
They concealed her body.
They filed a false police report.
The fund is fraudulent since it is based on their claim Maddie is alive when they have told us often that Maddie is dead.
They perjured themselves in the Leveson Inquiry.
They were not cleared of involvement by the PJ in relation to Maddie's 'disappearance'
Sexual abuse is likely to have occurred based on the mccanns own language which would explain why they could not allow an autopsy to take place.

This makes the tapas 7  guilty of obstruction of justice, perverting the course of justice, aiding and abetting an offender and possibly something relating to the fund.

Clarrie would also face charges of obstruction of justice, perverting the course of justice, fraud relating to the fund (remember the envelopes the "just address it to kate and gerry and it will get there"
Demanding payment for interviews etc.
The out of court settlements for the papers saying the mccanns were involved, the mccanns suing saying they were cleared and it now being confirmed they weren't.

Does this mean the papers can sue for the return of the money plus interest and costs since it is proven the mccanns lied about being cleared?
What about the tapas7?
Could they be sued as well for return of the money plus interest and costs?
Could they end up suing the mccanns for the return of their 'donations' so they could pay their money etc back?

The dogs don't lie about there being a corpse in the apartment and the hire car.
They don't lie about cadaverine on items of clothing and cuddlecat.
The mccanns have told us Maddie is dead.

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Post by BlueBag on 18.04.17 8:28

@melisande wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@petunia wrote:Gerry was looking under cars? That's a new one. And she never in her mind thought of Maddie but seconds later she was with Kate who said they've taken her and she thinks it's a RICH couple who have taken her? Hello Pam.
It is heart-breaking, gut-wrenching, brain-numbing and soul-destroying...

...to think that this wonderful country of ours...

...with its history of campaigning for freedom under the law, free speech and freedom of expression, of standing up to oppressive bullies at home and abroad, and of fearless, no-holds-barred investigative journalism - exposing the activities of the powerful and corrupt...

...has now sunk so low as to have prostitute newspaper editors, hacks and hackettes who can just copy and paste what Clarence Mitchell offers them on a plate, as the Sun and now the Daily Mirror have done in the last two days...

...and deny us the facts of the case. 

What has happened to us as a people, a nation, that we are allowing this to happen?

It will, surely, surely, only get much, much worse than this
It is a sad state of affairs.  We live in a society where money means more than justice for a little girl.
The control of wealth/money and the control of information has been everything throughout the history of man.

Democracy is an illusion - we act on the information we are fed.

The recent free uncontrolled exchange of information, speech and ideas on the internet is a new unprecedented step. 

Don't let them take it away from us.
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Post by ChippyM on 18.04.17 8:53

"The worst possible thing had just happened to her."

Was it really the worse thing that could have happened to a mother? I can think of another scenario.  One where she would also be distraught/ numb.

    The thing about the rape alarms, it's just pathetic trying to create this vision of a town where there tons of sex offenders that follow adult women about are also interested in sneaking into houses to steal babies from their beds!  Then again, all they need is a headline to fool the plebs.

And why the mention of 'they've taken her'.....I've always thought this was something they wanted to downplay?

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Post by sharonl on 18.04.17 8:56

I thought this was the Nanny who broke silence after 10 years?



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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 18.04.17 9:14

@sharonl wrote:I thought this was the Nanny who broke silence after 10 years?


Now there's a blast from the past...'Himself' made that picture for me, hence the pink border instead of his usual red border.

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Post by ChippyM on 18.04.17 9:20

Are you sure that's not the abductor?  He/She flies into apartments through windows and even has a blue bag.

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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 18.04.17 9:34

An unnamed source, how very convenient that these claims cannot be cross-checked against the Portugese public records.

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Post by skyrocket on 18.04.17 9:36

@Verdi, I concur - the article not only has the hallmarks of past-professional fairy and Shortland Street bit actress Charlotte Pennington, she is the only Mark Warner nanny it can be.


According to PJ statements, only 3 nannies were informed by a parent (whilst they were working in the night creche). These were Charlotte Pennington; Jacqueline Williams; and Amy Tierney. All the rest were informed by colleagues. Jacqueline states that she did not go near the McCann's apartment during the subsequent searches and we are told also that she only had very brief contact with Madeleine and certainly hadn't 'looked after the girl several times', as stated in the Mail article; Amy states that she immediately went into the apartment and had a good look round (including in the children's bedroom), and that she also questioned both Kate and Gerry before leaving to help organise the searches.


So, Charlotte Pennington is the only candidate (relying on statements), as the article states the following about the mystery nanny:


'the ex-nanny – who looked after the girl several times'


'The former nanny added: “I know I didn’t step into that apartment but pretty much everybody else did. So, evidence gone, nothing. There was nobody there to say, 'We need to lock this off now."'


Interestingly, Jacqueline says in her PJ statement that:


'The witness immediately helped in the searches, whilst her colleague Charlotte remained at the crêche, looking after the other children that were there and waiting for the arrival of the last parents, after which she also began searching'.



But we have mystery nanny Charlotte saying that she was on the scene only a 'couple of minutes' after the parent informed her. Was Charlotte, aka mystery nanny, ever anywhere near 5A on the night? If we are to believe mystery nanny Charlottes's version, we also have to ask how she managed to get from the night creche above main reception (if infact that is where it was) to 5A so quickly, and we have to accept that Jacqueline was incorrect in her police statement.



Note also how long mystery nanny Charlotte (remember she is the only candidate) says she was searching for in the Mail article - 'They also walked Praia da Luz’s small, winding streets searching for the missing girl until they were told, against their wills at 5am, that it was time for bed'; as opposed to her police statement - 'She participated in the searches until 01H30 on the 4th of May, 2007, when she returned to her residence'.



I am undecided about Ms Pennington's role in all of this. I bear in mind that we are told that she arrived in Luz on the same Gatwick flight as the O'Briens and Oldfields, on the 28 April; she was/is an aspiring actress; that her police statement and newspaper/documentary interviews are contradictory (nothing unusual there for this case); that all references to her (other than name) have been removed (post 3 May) from the Shortland Street wiki entry, despite fairly extensive entries for other characters, and that Shortland Street have refused to provide any information even about the character.


We all know that the article is complete bs; the source is unreliable or worse; and that the Daily Mail has no qualms what-so-ever about dragging the small town of Luz and the Portuguese police back down into the mire.


Just hope those who read the Mail article find their way over to CMOMM to find out, at least, what really didn't happen the night Maddie disappeared.
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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 18.04.17 9:37

@ChippyM wrote:Are you sure that's not the abductor?  He/She flies into apartments through windows and even has a blue bag.
And flying back to London! :baffled:

Author Manuel Catarino, editorial chief of Correio da Manha: "A culpa dos McCann" (The guilt of the McCanns) opens with the lines: "This story did not begin in the Ocean Club, but in London where the official truth was conspired and established: an English girl was kidnapped in the Algarve."
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Post by polyenne on 18.04.17 10:27

“We were told to start looking in bins in case her body was in there. It was at that point we realised this was serious.”
Seems strange that, having been told she's been abducted, they're "told" to start looking in bins. By whom ? By her own admission, the police were late arriving so who told them ?
Gerry under cars, nannies in bins..............it's laughable.
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Post by sandancer on 18.04.17 10:44

While​ Gerry was " looking under cars " did he have his phone​ in​ his​ hand calling every man​ and​ his dog​ saying " it's a disaster​ " Madeleine​ had been taken by​ peadophile​s . Did he expect to find​ them hiding under a car with her ?

Rape alarms , yea sure never mentioned​ before !

10 year​ anniversary looming closer , McCann and​ Mitchell spin​ in full​ flow .
Unnamed nanny ( paid how much ?) Speaking out for​ the first time carefully edited in McCann favour what else can we expect from the useless " journalists " in our media ? 

This​ is on front pages , never mind what's happening​ in the real world .

Sometimes I feel living as a hermit​ is not a bad idea !

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Post by jeanmonroe on 18.04.17 10:46

REHASH of 2007 'story'

However, after a 'bit of digging'...............'SOMEONE'S' LYING!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-really-happened-night-madeleine-10245222

What REALLY happened the night Madeleine McCann disappeared as nanny breaks her 10-year silence
'Gerry frantically looked under cars while Kate paced up and down crying: "they've got Maddie"' says child-carer who worked in the Praia da Luz resort where Maddie vanished

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ByMatthew Young
22:00, 17 APR 2017
Updated22:22, 17 APR 2017

A nanny who looked after Madeleine McCann has told how the youngster’s parents were plunged into despair and panic when the ­horrifying truth she had vanished sank in.
The former child minder said she is still haunted by the image of dad Gerry desperately trying to find their missing daughter while she tried to comfort weeping mum Kate who cried: “They’ve taken her.”
Breaking her silence after 10 years, the witness also claimed the resort from which Madeleine vanished was considered so unsafe nannies were handed rape alarms and told to not go out alone.
And she slammed the Portuguese police’s handling of the disappearance, insisting their ­blundering scuppered any chances of finding who had snatched three-year-old Madeleine.
Kate and Gerry make emotional appeal after their daughter was abducted while they were at dinner (Photo: Getty)
Speaking of that dreadful night in May 2007, the ex-nanny –who looked after the girl several times – said: “A parent came to me and said there was something going on, and said someone’s looking for a child, I didn’t instantly think it was Maddie.
"A couple of minutes later I walked into Kate crying, friends comforting her, Gerry looking under cars, and it just blew up. I don’t even think she saw me. I just stood next to her and tried to comfort her.
“She was pacing up and down. The worst possible thing had just happened to her.
“I think I said something like, ‘She’ll be found, these things happen all the time.’
“She was crying, but almost in a catatonic state, and Gerry was very distressed. That’s the one thing I really remember from him, looking under the cars. I can’t forget that.
The Mark Warner resort closed in 2015 (Photo: Daily Mirror)
“We were told to start looking in bins in case her body was in there. It was at that point we realised this was serious.”
Along with other staff, the ex-carer, who worked for travel firm Mark Warner at the the Ocean Club resort, sifted by hand in the dark through industrial-sized bins and piping leading into the sea in their hunt for Madeleine.
They also walked Praia da Luz’s small, winding streets searching for the missing girl until they were told, against their wills at 5am, that it was time for bed.
But the woman, who we are not naming, said she is still furious with local police , who she claimed took 90 minutes to arrive on the scene.
Search teams scoured the streets of Praia da Luz for Madeleine (Photo: Daily Mirror)
And she told how people were in and out of the apartment where Madeleine vanished from – contaminating a ­potential crime scene.
The former nanny added: “I know I didn’t step into that apartment but pretty much everybody else did. So, evidence gone, nothing. There was nobody there to say, ‘We need to lock this off now.’ The police didn’t get there for ages, maybe an hour and a half, so we were looking for her. And at the end of the day, no matter how much you’ve been trained with ­children, we were children, mainly ­teenagers, we’re not police.
“That’s why police were trying to get everyone’s timelines, because they weren’t there.”
She also told how she was interviewed by officers in the wake of Madeleine’s disappearance and later detectives from ­the Met’s Operation Grange handed her two pages of statements they had retrieved from their Algarve compratiots.
Her original statement was four to five pages long, but the one the Portuguese had been working from was only two pages long – missing a number of details from her interview. The woman claimed “whole chunks of information were missed out”.
She added: “I think a lot of things should’ve happened differently. ­Unfortunately the effects were catastrophic.”
And the carer told how she was astonished Kate and Gerry were ever deemed suspects in their own child’s ­disappearance. She is still constantly quizzed by people about the case who ask if “the parents did it”.
She said: “I tell them no, there’s no way at all. A, timings and B, where it was, their r­eactions, the whole thing. Not a chance.”
The woman also told how Madeleine was a favourite among the child minders. Her allocated nanny was Catriona Baker, but others also got the chance to look after her. The carer added: “I remember her character and ­temperament. She was slightly shy, very sweet. Not loud or precocious.
The nanny said that Madeleine was a helpful, polite child (Photo: PA)
“We obviously give the same care to all the children, but she was a real cutie and a real sweetheart. If you asked her, ‘Can you just pass me that?’ She’d be like, ‘Sure.’
“She was easy for us, and you were happy to sit and help out this pretty little girl who’s really nice.”
While the Ocean Club was clearly popular with British holidaymakers like the McCanns, from Rothley, Leics, the former child minder claimed it was considered an unsafe place for those who worked there.
After she arrived she was stunned when a fellow nanny passed on a message from hotel staff to never venture off the site alone.
She added: “I just couldn’t get over how different it was to other Mark Warner resorts.
“We were told, ‘Here’s a rape whistle, don’t go anywhere by yourself, ever.’ There’d been a girl attacked the year or so before in Praia da Luz. It didn’t sound like a family resort to me.
“I just got the feeling the locals didn’t want us there.” It emerged in 2014 that 11 years earlier a 10-year-old British girl had been sexually assaulted “in the heart” of Praia da Luz.
The victim came forward three years ago after a Scotland Yard appeal revealed a string of potentially linked sex assaults on young UK girls across the Algarve between 2004 and 2006.
Mark Warner, which operates in resorts all over the world, quit Praia da Luz in 2015.
Madeleine vanished as her parents ate with friends at a tapas bar just 40 yards from where she slept next to twin siblings, Amelie and Sean.
But the former nanny, who couldn’t face child minding again after the Algarve horror, said dining while kids were in the apartments was “really normal” in such resorts. And she insisted there was no evidence Kate and Gerry would ever neglect their kids. She said: “I remember thinking, even before I knew them, how they were the picture perfect family.”
Asked if she thinks Madeleine is still alive, the woman said: “Think possibly is the wrong word, but hope. I hope she is still alive.
“It’s probably very naive, but the best case scenario of a very horrible situation, is that she was procured and taken for a rich person who didn’t have children.
“I can’t go anywhere else in my head. I can read it about other people and know how horrible that seedy world is where children are sold. But my brain won’t go there with her. I just switch off.
“But I think the only person who knows exactly what happened is Madeleine. Can I believe it’s 10 years on? Yes and no.
No because 10 years seems like a really long time, she’d be nearly 14.
“And yes, because sometimes, when I talk about it, it feels like I’m right back there again.
“I wonder if she’s alive. Does she even remember? Does she remember her parents?
"I’m probably less harrowed by it now, but that’s just because, although it’s awful, it’s become accepted.
“‘It’s Madeleine, she’s gone missing but it would just be the best day ever if I could be told that she’s been found.”
Operation Grange, which was last month given £85,000 of Home Office funding to extend its probe until September, still speaks to witnesses.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4419516/Nanny-looked-Madeleine-McCann-breaks-silence.html

'They've taken her': Nanny who looked after Madeleine McCann at Portuguese resort ten years ago reveals despair of Kate and Gerry when they discovered she had gone missing
Nanny who looked after Madeleine McCann has broken her silence after 10 years
Said she is haunted by the image of Gerry McCann desperately trying to find her
Child minder said Madeleine's devastated mother Kate cried, 'They've taken her'

By Amie Gordon For Mailonline
Published: 22:34, 17 April 2017 | Updated: 23:12, 17 April 2017

A child minder who looked after Madeleine McCann has broken her silence nearly ten years after the three-year-old went missing.
The witness, who was working at the Portuguese resort where Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007, said she is still haunted by the night's events a decade on.
She said Gerry McCann desperately tried to find his missing daughter as his wife Kate wailed, 'They've taken her'.
Kate McCann, holding Madeleine's soft toy, and Gerry McCann, pictured at the resort in Portugal in 2007
The woman, who has not been named, reportedly looked after Madeleine several times.
She told The Mirror the resort Madeleine vanished from was considered so unsafe nannies were given rape whistles and told not to go out alone.
The nanny claimed the resort Madeleine vanished from was considered unsafe
She also criticised how Portuguese police handled the incident.
She said: '[Kate] was pacing up and down. The worst possible thing had just happened to her.
'She was crying, but almost in a catatonic state, and Gerry was very distressed.
'That's the one thing I really remember from him, looking under the cars. I can't forget that.'
The woman also claimed police missed out 'whole chunks' of information during their investigation and took some 90 minutes to arrive at the scene.
She said there was 'no way' the McCann's had any involvement in their daughter's disappearance.
Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine were last month given an £85,000 ‘last throw of the dice’ after identifying a new ‘person of interest’.
The hunt had been due to end within weeks but extra cash was found to explore a lead in the investigation, which is nearly a decade old.
An insider said police had found a person who was close by when the three-year-old went missing while on holiday in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.
The source said: ‘There is just one person who detectives want to speak to, who was near the area where Madeleine disappeared almost ten years ago. An international search has been under way to find them.’
The Portuguese press reported that ‘police are understood to have clues pointing to the existence of a new suspect’, but it was not said whether it was a man or a woman.
A report in newspaper Correio da Manha read: ‘This new suspect is believed to be Portuguese and was apparently seen near the Ocean Club, where Kate and Gerry McCann were staying with their children when Madeleine disappeared.
‘British police are understood to be preparing to question this new suspect.’
Kate and Gerry McCann were said to be ‘very grateful’ for the continued funding amid fears the £11.1million investigation into Maddie’s disappearance, which is codenamed Operation Grange, was about to be shelved.
The hunt for Madeleine had been due to end within weeks but extra cash was found to explore a lead in the investigation, which is nearly a decade old
Senior Yard officers see the development as the ‘last throw of the dice’.
A family spokesman said: ‘Kate and Gerry remain incredibly grateful to the Home Office and the Met Police for the continued work into the search for their daughter.’
A close friend of former GP Kate, 49, and heart doctor Gerry, 48, said: ‘They have never given up hope of finding out what happened to Madeleine, and believe she could be alive.
‘They appreciate the Met Police’s help and know they are doing everything possible for a resolution.’

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miko2112, Dublin, 32 minutes from now
The McCanns obviously, and quite foolishly, think the public are very naive and gullible. Poor Madeleine and r.i.p. to poor Brenda Leyland.
An Angel, York, United Kingdom, 32 minutes from now
Who cares any more, they should have had a nanny/child minder, the DM can't make their mind up, when they went out enjoying themselves leaving their children alone, if they were distraught it would have been from guilt, and as for Maddie's mother saying "they've taken her" that's a strange thing to say, how did she know she had been taken at that point?
Realism, Over Here, United Kingdom, 31 minutes from now
So much been said! Who knows?
lve_ had enough, Preston, United Kingdom, 29 minutes from now
Too sad for words
mytwocents, city, United Kingdom, 29 minutes from now
Bizarre article. If she had a nanny why didn't they use her the night she went missing. Why "They" not "someones taken her"....unless you know who 'they' is.
chloe, gosport, 28 minutes from now
They've taken her Odd turn of phrase Would you not assume perhaps she had opened the door and wandered off ? Who is they Kate ???
chloe, gosport, 28 minutes from now
Nope my comment not here yet
Ignorance not bliss, London, United Kingdom, 27 minutes from now
I have my own theory BUT why won't they take a polygraph test & "clear" their names!!
seggy1958, Kettering, United Kingdom, 27 minutes from now
Another book coming out..?
awilsonj, Peterborough, United Kingdom, 26 minutes from now
This is last time that I will read any head line with there name on it
Linda, Tavistock, 26 minutes from now
The Algarve in my experience was full of weirdo guys with binoculars homing in on bikini clad females. I felt there was an undercurrent of weirdo men stationed there!! Never felt this in any place I have visited
hexpel, default, United Kingdom, 25 minutes from now
Who the Hell is this so called Nanny
Veneficus63, Glasgow, United Kingdom, 24 minutes from now
"They've taken her" ..........who are "they". Give it up now, you both know who happened.
TheJokersGirl, Gotham City, United Kingdom, 24 minutes from now
Why "they've taken her". Something very suspect about this statement and makes it sound like a set or an inside job. Surely a less suspicious response would be "someone's taken her". I hope we find out one day what happened to this innocent little girl who was neglected and let down in the most horrendous way.
Steve _, Glasgow, United Kingdom, 16 minutes from now
really really short article. it looks like some positive news being placed in the papers about the McCann, is something bad about to be announced, or is this comeback for the portuguese police officer
chloe, gosport, 29 minutes from now
There is nothing positive about the McCanns , Amaral was onto them
Galwaygirl84, GALWAY, Ireland, 16 minutes from now
Every time I see that little face all I can think of is how much her parents let her down. I don't believe they played any physical part in her disappearance but it was they're fault, 100% they're fault!
John, Cardiff, United Kingdom, 16 minutes from now
Why was she quiet about such a thing for ten years?
premixman, land of never, United Kingdom, 16 minutes from now
If only they had stop in or taken them with them or hire a baby sitter if only.
Huge, Surrey, 15 minutes from now
"They've taken her" seems a strange phrase. Someone has taken her or she has been taken would make sense. This case doesn't add up.
sharkyparky, Moscow, 14 minutes from now
Saddest story. We have a holiday home just down the coast, we never let our babies from our sight. Even at night they are watched.
Star_Fish, Timbuktu, Estonia, 14 minutes from now
Shouldn't have left the child alone to feast on alcohol. Blame yourself
laura31, ayrshire, 14 minutes from now
Who's they?? Why would u say they've? Wouldn't u say someone???
VelvetNoir, London, 14 minutes from now
Oh please! How much did they pay this 'nanny' for this nonsensical story?
Bringingreality, London, United Kingdom, 14 minutes from now
You can say what you want about Madeleine's parents, but to have lost your child for over 10 years is absolutely heartbreaking, they must be plagued with guilt and anxiety
Nics pics, Nantwich, United Kingdom, 14 minutes from now
"They've"? Who are they? That implies the McCanns know who "they" are!
Trebor, London, United Kingdom, 13 minutes from now
"They've taken her" strange comment. Someone's taken her perhaps, or who's taken her? But "they've taken her" who was "they" ?
Stewarts71, melbourne, Australia, 13 minutes from now
What a strange response "they have taken her" implies she knew or had a suspicion of who "they" are.
chloe, gosport, 11 minutes from now
They've taken her ...who Kate ...who ...exactly ?? Would that be your first thought? Wouldn't you think she'd wandered off or something ???
Tommy1635, Middlesbrough, United Kingdom, 11 minutes from now
Even now i feel sick to the stomach when reading about this little mite. my thoughts go out to her family. let's hope she's ok
change please 2014, Bexleyheath, United Kingdom, 11 minutes from now
Not this drivel again...... the cause of this is bad parenting, nothing more..... nothing less.
Steve, Wirral, United Kingdom, 11 minutes from now
Who are 'they'?
imrightagain, pacify, United Kingdom, 11 minutes from now
Stop it !!!
shameonyou, home, United Kingdom, 11 minutes from now
Why would she say they've taken her?? They'd be saying she's been taken? Surely? Guilty.
Shaftoe, Around, United Kingdom, 11 minutes from now
Go away.
Arlesienne, Paris, 11 minutes from now
Funny he should say THEY have taken her. Was he referring to a gang of criminals? The mafia?...
Bill, Salford, 10 minutes from now
They've taken her. They? Plural? Now that's a weird comment when your child has disappeared.
WeeHarry, Here, United Kingdom, 10 minutes from now
Another half a story.
Rayjon, Spain, 10 minutes from now
Why after ten years gas this nanny made public her observations on the night Madeline McCann vanished? What or whom prompted her to go public and has this been verified by the police?
Everton 1, Liverpool O, United Kingdom, 10 minutes from now
I wasn't aware the child minder was at the Tapas bar too. The McCann's could have employed her to look after the 3 children while they were out socialising.
BrianDamage, London, United Kingdom, 10 minutes from now
"They've taken her". That doesn't make any sense.
Mellymels, London, United Kingdom, 10 minutes from now
Who's they? We should be asking.
Dbowsk, Gloucester, United Kingdom, 9 minutes from now
What a load of rubbish! The 10 year circus is well and truly underway. Who wrote this soap opera?
Life observer, York, 9 minutes from now
"They've taken her" unusual first words
The road to nowhere, El paso, Heard Island And McDonald Islands, 9 minutes from now
Why would you say "they've" taken her. Surely you would say someone unless you knew it was more than one person.
Dave999, Stoke on trent, United Kingdom, 6 minutes from now
A load of " MADE UP " nonsense
Mr_Nobody, Alicante, Spain, 6 minutes from now
Oh, please!
trachycarpus, hastings, 5 minutes from now
I wonder who They were?
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THE 'LYING' BIT!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483715/Kate-McCann-DID-scream-Theyve-taken-claims-new-nanny-witness.html

Kate McCann DID scream 'They've taken her' claims new nanny witness
By DAN NEWLING
Last updated at 16:41 25 September 2007

The first eyewitness account of the frantic moments after Madeleine McCann disappeared can be revealed today.
Nanny Charlotte Pennington confirms that Kate McCann did scream: "They've taken her, they've taken her!"
The mother's precise words have become a pivotal issue in the case, with Portuguese police questioning why she would automatically assume Maddie had been abducted.
Mrs McCann's family have countered this by insisting they recall her shouting: "Madeleine's gone."
She dismissed claims that the McCanns were not seen for six hours leading up to the disappearance.
She said: "I was helping give the children high tea. The twins were there and Madeleine and both parents.
"It was supposed to finish at 5.30pm but because they were a big group and really social, it didn't finish until about 6pm. There was nothing out of the ordinary at all."
After tea Miss Pennington went to work at the resort's evening creche, in which parents could leave their children while they went out for supper.
Just before 10pm the last mother arrived to collect her child from the creche and mentioned that she had just bumped into a man, who had been shouting a name.
"She didn't get the name, but she said it sounded something like 'Abbey, Gabby or Maddie'. We automatically went into lost-child procedure. In these situations, the first thing we do is investigate the scene.
"We knew that one of the other nanny's charges was called Maddie. We told the head of department what had happened and she took us straight to the apartment.
"There were no children in the room. The twins had been taken out already, I think by one of the McCanns' friends."


"she took us straight to the apartment." ergo 10:00-10:05pm

"THERE WERE NO CHILDREN IN THE ROOM"!

"The twins had been taken out already"


https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/fiona-payne-kate-mccann-kept-putting.html

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/mccann-case-fiona-elaine-payne-rogatory_7788.html

Page two of Fiona Payne Statement given to DC 1485 MESSIAH of the Leicestershire Police Major Crime Team in 10 April 2008
00.53.22 1485 “Did the twins wake up at all?”

Reply “They didn’t. They didn’t”.

1485 “In the aftermath?”

Reply “No, and that was the other thing, she kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay. But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn’t, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn’t, you know, so much as blink”.


1485
“Can you just tell me your movements, I know you’ve skated over them, well in fact you’ve gone into great detail on the last interview, but can you just tell me what, what your movements were from say ten thirty, so assuming now that Mad, you know the, the alarm has been raised half an hour, so what did you do from ten thirty pm ‘til ten am the following day?”

Reply
“Erm for the most part on the night, as I said, I was just milling in the apartment and out on the balcony and just outside their front door, erm with, with Kate, erm I was there in the apartment when the first lot of Policemen arrived, which I think was around sort of between eleven, quarter past eleven. Er I was there when they did their initial search and we just followed them really, erm and I, I didn’t really move, I mean I can’t, can’t really say much more than that”.

1485
“Yes”.

Reply
“I stayed in the apartment, erm I was aware later that the GNR were there as I say they were wandering round the front and the back and, and the time when I came out and met Robert MURAT, erm I’m assuming that was sort of after sort of midnight, there and that sort of time because the uniformed Police were there, erm the sort of troops in their boots, I don’t, think they’re GNR, erm and then you know, I, I was just in, in the apartment for, for the most part just with Kate, erm I eventually moved up back to my apartment when it was suggested by the PJ that you know, they had to get the twins out, so I went to that part to organise our flats and you know, the, the nannies in with the travel cots and the bedding, I helped them set that all up, so at that point I was separate to Kate and Gerry. Erm and then I was just in, in our apartment, I’d say for, I’d say half three, four o’clock when they brought the twins up, erm I sat on the sofa with Kate next to me and say we had the twins asleep on us, a good half an hour with Kate, just in complete shock, sobbing. Erm, then we put the twins to bed in the, in the cots,
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" I’d say half three, four o’clock when they brought the twins up..........erm I sat on the sofa with Kate next to me and say we had the twins asleep on us, a good half an hour with Kate, just in complete shock, sobbing. Erm, then we put the twins to bed in the, in the cots,"

AT 'HALF THREE, FOUR O'CLOCK' of the 4th (FOURTH) of May 2007.


So, 'twins' IN the 'room'.....or not?

FP says 'yes'..until early hours 4th May 2007.

'Nanny' says 'no' 10/10:05pm 3rd May 2007.

WHO'S 'LYING'?............The 'nanny OR Fiona P'?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492617/Kate-McCann-screamed-BALCONY-theyve-taken-claims-new-witness.html

http://people.com/archive/cover-story-the-madeleine-mccann-mystery-vol-68-no-13/

Fenn also told investigators that when the McCanns had discovered Madeleine missing about 10:15 p.m. she had offered to call police. She contends Kate told her the call had already been made, when it appears that police were summoned 40 minutes after that conversation took place. What’s more, witnesses said that Kate’s initial cry was “They’ve taken her!”—which some commentators have suggested represents a bizarrely hasty conclusion.

Finally for 'now'

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/we-were-asked-check-bins-10245072

"The woman also claimed the resort from which Madeleine vanished was considered so unsafe that nannies were handed rape alarms."

NOT that 'unsafe' surely?........ because the McCan'ts, diliberately and consciously, left THREE children, all under 4 years of age, ALONE, in an UNLOCKED apartment, for many nights, out of their sight, OUTSIDE of the perimeter wall of the OC 'complex', where they 'dined'.

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@polyenne wrote:“We were told to start looking in bins in case her body was in there. It was at that point we realised this was serious.”
Seems strange that, having been told she's been abducted, they're "told" to start looking in bins. By whom ? By her own admission, the police were late arriving so who told them ?
Gerry under cars, nannies in bins..............it's laughable.

To be looking in bins for a dead body so soon in the search  is very strange indeed.

The McCanns could surely sue Warners for negligence. According to Nanny Whoever,  Warners  knew the area was unsafe but at the same time  neglected to give their paying clients that information.  

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Post by sharonl on 18.04.17 11:55

@kaz wrote:
@polyenne wrote:“We were told to start looking in bins in case her body was in there. It was at that point we realised this was serious.”
Seems strange that, having been told she's been abducted, they're "told" to start looking in bins. By whom ? By her own admission, the police were late arriving so who told them ?
Gerry under cars, nannies in bins..............it's laughable.

To be looking in bins for a dead body so soon in the search  is very strange indeed.

The McCanns could surely sue Warners for negligence. According to Nanny Whoever,  Warners  knew the area was unsafe but at the same time  neglected to give their paying clients that information.  

Once again this ill researched article contradicts the McCanns' own statements.  They openly admitted that they did not search for Madeleine that night.  In Kates' novel, she states that they searched the following morning and it was then that she was looking in the bins, praying that she wouldn't find Madeleine there.  So who is lying here, Kate, Nanny no-name or both?

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Post by Verdi on 18.04.17 12:34

Here is the clue..


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Post by Tony Bennett on 18.04.17 12:38

@sharonl wrote:
@kaz wrote:
@polyenne wrote:“We were told to start looking in bins in case her body was in there. It was at that point we realised this was serious.”
Seems strange that, having been told she's been abducted, they're "told" to start looking in bins. By whom ?
SNIPPED

To be looking in bins for a dead body so soon in the search  is very strange indeed.

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Once again this ill researched article contradicts the McCanns' own statements.  They openly admitted that they did not search for Madeleine that night.  In Kates' novel, she states that they searched the following morning and it was then that she was looking in the bins, praying that she wouldn't find Madeleine there.  So who is lying here, Kate, Nanny no-name or both?
I think the Mirror article and this thread do raise once again the question of whether there has been active collusion in a cover-up by two or three (or even more) of the nannies. This was discussed the other day on one of the current Smithman threads, where one member ('SuspiciousMinds') declared loudly how beastly it was for anyone to doubt that they were all telling the 100% God's honest truth. Others have also declared the sheer 'impossibility' that any of these young nannies could do anything so wicked and dastardly as to cover up a death.

It was Catriona Baker's evidence about the alleged 'high tea' at 5pm-6pm on Thursday that was the solid rock onto which Goncalo Amaral secured his hypothesis that Madeleine was still alive at this point.

We know that Lizzy HideHo, for one, has analysed the evidence about this high tea, and under the pressure of her rigorous analysis, this rock has crumbled...and disintegrated...into nothing.

Amaral clearly believed Catriona Baker was both 'independent' and truthful.

But was she either? It looks like she already knew the McCanns well before that holiday.

And what about the character of these nannies? I seem to recall stories circulating about their drunken, drug-fuelled, louche antics - and some photos circulated of them all looking more than half-cut.

Can we for example rule out the possibility that Cat Baker was looking after the children on Sunday evening and that something went badly wrong?

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Post by Portia on 18.04.17 12:42

Quote:


She was crying, but almost in a catatonic state, and Gerry was very distressed. That’s the one thing I really remember from him, looking under the cars. I can’t forget that.

“We were told to start looking in bins in case her body was in there. It was at that point we realised this was serious.”

Along with other staff, the ex-carer, who worked for travel firm Mark Warner at the the Ocean Club resort, sifted by hand in the dark through industrial-sized bins and piping leading into the sea in their hunt for Madeleine. They also walked Praia da Luz’s small, winding streets searching for the missing girl until they were told, against their wills at 5am, that it was time for bed.



Long ago, someone on this Forum. came up with a theory that K&G hd left a dead or unconscious Maddie in the apartment. And that without their previous knowledge, someone else -in the know- removed the body. 


Looking at this 'new' nanny-information, both the otherwise inexplicable catatonic state and the looking under cars makes sense. 


Yes, the demise of the child must have been a horrendous shock to both Kate and Gerry. But they were both doctors, accustomed to seeing death all around them on a daily basis. They must have been able to mask their shocked feelings in the dark and boozy circumstances of the farewell party. What might very well have tipped the balance is the totally unforeseen disappearance of the poor childs' remains from the bed where she presumably had been left (?) or the removal of the blue bag -if indeed she had been put in it awaiting further disposal by her parents. 


Kates catatonic state is totally beyond the realm of normality for a trained doctor, accustomed to handling corpses on a day to day basis -as witnessed by the fact she handled six dead bodies in just the one week she wore the chequered pants. She must have changed once in a while, so it's not inconceivable, she saw even more than six corpses wearing a change of clothes. Say: 10 (?) or 12 (?) per week? 


Kate being catatonic is very odd. Very odd indeed. 


It's abnormal, against nature. If your child goes missing, you search and search till you drop dead. You don't waste all your energy behaving like an idiot. A doctor wouldn't. Kate wouldn't. If she had thought her child was still alive. 


Gerry. Well. His demeanour indicates he thought the child was dead too. 


A dead child could have been shoved beneath a car. Yes.


A live child would have received scratches, would have been hurt, and would have cried out. 
It would have been noticed by any of the so-called Tapa-visitors to Apartment 5A.


It's remarkable that Gerry, according to this nanny no-name, did not look INSIDE any cars. Why not? 


Oh, and: which cars are we talking about? Were there any? Could this have anything to do with Gerries unexplained crossing/not-crossing the road in the infamous home-movie the Macs produced themselves? Dit 'Jez' see cars? (btw, I've always wondered what or who was in that pram he was so busy pushing around in the dark)


And finally: standing outside the apartment 5A, was nanny no-name able to see the road, the cars, and Gerry? In the dark? really? And was she able to tell the difference between someone looking under one or more cars, and somebody hiding something beneath a car in situ? 


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Post by Portia on 18.04.17 12:48

@sharonl wrote:
@kaz wrote:
@polyenne wrote:“We were told to start looking in bins in case her body was in there. It was at that point we realised this was serious.”
Seems strange that, having been told she's been abducted, they're "told" to start looking in bins. By whom ? By her own admission, the police were late arriving so who told them ?
Gerry under cars, nannies in bins..............it's laughable.

To be looking in bins for a dead body so soon in the search  is very strange indeed.

The McCanns could surely sue Warners for negligence. According to Nanny Whoever,  Warners  knew the area was unsafe but at the same time  neglected to give their paying clients that information.  

Once again this ill researched article contradicts the McCanns' own statements.  They openly admitted that they did not search for Madeleine that night.  In Kates' novel, she states that they searched the following morning and it was then that she was looking in the bins, praying that she wouldn't find Madeleine there.  So who is lying here, Kate, Nanny no-name or both?


If people were told to look for a dead body right from the start, even before the arrival of the police, then SOMEONE must have known that there WAS a body. Who was that person? Who gave the instructions to go check the garbage bins so early on? This too points to a body having been 'abducted' instead of a living child
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Post by polyenne on 18.04.17 12:49

As has been the case for some years now, I fear that too much thought is being given to yet another piece of "fake news. This is just what "they" want to see........more & more obfuscation.
I'm all for debunking it with the known facts but we're just goig over old ground.
Move along now, nothing to see here.........................
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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 18.04.17 12:53

@jeanmonroe wrote:"Nanny no-name"

Nanny McNoface!
Or, if she's being paid, Nanny McFee.
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Post by sharonl on 18.04.17 13:03

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:Jane Tanner let Gerry search underneath cars without mentioning that she'd seen a man walk off with a child in his arms?
And while Gerry was searching underneath cars he was also walking towards the beach with his dead daughter.

Who said men can't multi-task?


And he nipped back to the Tapas bar to secure his alibi.

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 18.04.17 13:09

@sharonl wrote:
@Get'emGonçalo wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:Jane Tanner let Gerry search underneath cars without mentioning that she'd seen a man walk off with a child in his arms?
And while Gerry was searching underneath cars he was also walking towards the beach with his dead daughter.

Who said men can't multi-task?


And he nipped back to the Tapas bar to secure his alibi.
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Meanwhile on a serious note, this story is whizzing all around the world:

'They've taken her': Madeleine McCann's nanny speaks out about the night youngster vanished
 Evening Standard
A nanny who looked after Madeleine McCann has broken her silence over what happened the night the youngster went missing a decade ago.
Nanny who looked after Madeleine McCann breaks silence  - Daily Mail
Madeleine McCann's former nanny breaks silence to describe night three-year-old went missing  - Telegraph.co.uk
Nanny who was there the night Madeleine McCann vanished recalls Kate and Gerry's anguish and ...  - The Sun
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A nanny who looked after Madeleine McCann has told how the youngster's parents were plunged into despair and panic when the horrifying truth she ...
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Kate McCann, the mother of missing British girl Madeleine McCann gets into a car after leaving the police station in Portimao, southern Portugal, after ...
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Nanny who looked after Madeleine McCann breaks silence
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Tuesday, 18 April 2017


MIRROR ARTICLE: COMMENTS




A GERMAN CONDUCTOR WAS REHEARSING HIS ORCHESTRA AT ONE TIME AND LOST HIS PATIENCE WHEN THE SECOND FLUTE PLAYED THE SAME WRONG NOTE AGAIN:
''SEGONDE FLUTE!" HE SHOUTED, "SOMETIMES I CAN STAND YOUR DAMNA NONSENSE, BUT NOW AND ALWAYS, NEVAIR!!"


Exactly how I felt this morning on reading the Mirror article. So here it is, with a few corrections and observations.

What REALLY happened the night Madeleine McCann disappeared as nanny breaks her 10-year silence
'Gerry frantically looked under cars while Kate paced up and down crying: "they've got Maddie"' says child-carer who worked in the Praia da Luz resort where Maddie vanished

BY MATTHEW YOUNG
22:00, 17 APR 2017

A nanny who looked after Madeleine McCann has told how the youngster’s parents were plunged into despair and panic when the ­horrifying truth she had vanished sank in.

The former child minder said she is still haunted by the image of dad Gerry desperately trying to find their missing daughter while she tried to comfort weeping mum Kate who cried: “They’ve taken her.”
 There you are. Only one nanny I believe confirmed this. As has been pointed out many times, for someone to know that there was a ‘they’ – foreknowledge was required. ‘Madeleine has gone!’ would have been believable.

Breaking her silence after 10 years, the witness also claimed the resort from which Madeleine vanished was considered so unsafe nannies were handed rape alarms and told to not go out alone.

And she slammed the Portuguese police’s handling of the disappearance, insisting their ­blundering scuppered any chances of finding who had snatched three-year-old Madeleine.


Such an expert on police procedure. Details please.

Kate and Gerry make emotional appeal after their daughter was abducted while they were at dinner (Photo: Getty)
Speaking of that dreadful night in May 2007, the ex-nanny –who looked after the girl several times – said: “A parent came to me and said there was something going on, and said someone’s looking for a child, I didn’t instantly think it was Maddie. Most nannies were alerted by other nannies. Thanks.

"A couple of minutes later I walked into Kate crying, friends comforting her, Gerry looking under cars, and it just blew up. I don’t even think she saw me. I just stood next to her and tried to comfort her.


As far as I know the only recorded (although recorded by Kate McCann in her book and not by any independent source) search by one of the parents that night was on the beach. Not counting looking in cupboards in the apartment to see if she was ‘cowering’ there. We do know for sure of some other activities. Deleting all their calls from their mobiles and writing and correcting a timeline of the evening.

“She was pacing up and down. The worst possible thing had just happened to her.

Pacing up and down, standing next to her but did not go inside.  I haven't quite got the lay-out of this.
Cop who searched for Madeleine McCann says she might be hiding in plain sight 'and not know who she really is'
“I think I said something like, ‘She’ll be found, these things happen all the time.’

She was crying, but almost in a catatonic state, and Gerry was very distressed. That’s the one thing I really remember from him, looking under the cars. I can’t forget that.

Catatonic and crying doesn't go together.
Why Gerry looked under cars. Makes no sense at all. Unless she was hiding there. No-one would drive over a child and decide to leave the car parked over the body?

“We were told to start looking in bins in case her body was in there. It was at that point we realised this was serious.
Along with other staff, the ex-carer, who worked for travel firm Mark Warner at the the Ocean Club resort, sifted by hand in the dark through industrial-sized bins and piping leading into the sea in their hunt for Madeleine. Hmm. first time I heard that one. Never mind. The parents themselves, according to the book KM wrote, spend a whole hour (during which they were also on the phone) rifling through bins and jumping in ditches. Around 7 in the morning, as they'd had a little rest during the night. As you do. "Besides it was dark, although they did have a torch when they met the assembled journalists the following evening.

They also walked Praia da Luz’s small, winding streets searching for the missing girl until they were told, against their wills at 5am, that it was time for bed.

But the woman, who we are not naming, said she is still furious with local police , who she claimed took 90 minutes to arrive on the scene.
The police were called at 10.43 – they arrived at 11.00 pm. Documented evidence. Winesses, call records and so on. Police could not get there any earlier coming from Portimao. I’m sure it would be the same if  UK police received a call from Withering-in-the-Wold when the nearest police station would be some 20 kilometers away.
In any case officer Roque and Da Costa arrived at 11.00 p.m. 90 minutes later there were some 6 officers present. By 02.00 dogs were deployed. Two hours later the McCans went for a lie-down and Gerry managed to sleep a bit. Just so you know. All on record.

And she told how people were in and out of the apartment where Madeleine vanished from – contaminating a ­potential crime scene.
People like the nanny herself? The friends and so on. Besides – see link 1)  
The former nanny added: “I know I didn’t step into that apartment but pretty much everybody else did. So, evidence gone, nothing. There was nobody there to say, ‘We need to lock this off now.’ The police didn’t get there for ages, maybe an hour and a half, so we were looking for her. And at the end of the day, no matter how much you’ve been trained with ­children, we were children, mainly ­teenagers, we’re not police.


Now it’s maybe an hour and a half. 90 minutes repeated, hope the reader got that.  Forget that bit please. There was somebody there, namely Silvia Batista, who said just that. The apartment must be cleared.  As for you being children yourselves,  don’t know if you’re in the photograph of the nannies having a semi-nude party in PdL. I wouldn’t call you children. Anyhow, the Mirror calls you ‘a woman’ now. So you’re all grown up and everything.

“That’s why police were trying to get everyone’s timelines, because they weren’t there.”


This is hilarious. Those timelines, you know the ones they wrote down in original and corrected form, instead of searching for Maddie,  wasn’t meant for police. The police  impounded them.  The police obviously wouldn’t have been there whilst the crime was committed. This is often the case. The police generally come after the event and ask questions so they can reconstruct the event. By the way.  As you were there, you could have given them a clean piece of paper, considering they tore up their newly abducted child’s colouring book to write their timelines whilst they could have been searching instead.

She also told how she was interviewed by officers in the wake of Madeleine’s disappearance and later detectives from ­the Met’s Operation Grange handed her two pages of statements they had retrieved from their Algarve compratiots.


This is interesting. She does not say she was interviewed in the rogatories, but says Operation Grange handed her some documents. She does not say they interviewed her. So did OG officers simply go round and show all the witnesses what interesting papers  they had?

Her original statement was four to five pages long, but the one the Portuguese had been working from was only two pages long – missing a number of details from her interview. The woman claimed “whole chunks of information were missed out”.

If this is true then the simple solution is that part of her statement is amongst the 20% of documents withheld by the Portuguese investigators. Only 80% of the files was published. Obviously they found it of some interest. Did she see the original copy of the statement or something that was retyped by OG? In that case five pages could go to two.
She added: “I think a lot of things should’ve happened differently. ­Unfortunately the effects were catastrophic.”

And the carer told how she was astonished Kate and Gerry were ever deemed suspects in their own child’s ­disappearance. She is still constantly quizzed by people about the case who ask if “the parents did it”.

She said: “I tell them no, there’s no way at all. A, timings and B, where it was, their reactions, the whole thing. Not a chance.”
 Well done. Skated right over the evidence of two Tapas workers and an Irish family. No problems there then. Not that the above makes sense in any way.

The woman also told how Madeleine was a favourite among the child minders. Her allocated nanny was Catriona Baker, but others also got the chance to look after her. The carer added: “I remember her character and ­temperament. She was slightly shy, very sweet. Not loud or precocious.

“We obviously give the same care to all the children, but she was a real cutie and a real sweetheart. If you asked her, ‘Can you just pass me that?’ She’d be like, ‘Sure.’

“She was easy for us, and you were happy to sit and help out this pretty little girl who’s really nice.”
She could be a screamer. She could throw a tantrum. All remarks from her close family, which said  in the wake of the abduction I’ve always found very strange. But the intention here once again is separating Maddie from the rest, by virtue of her loveliness. 'Please look for Madeleine, her mother said, 'she's lovely.'  

While the Ocean Club was clearly popular with British holidaymakers like the McCanns, from Rothley, Leics, the former child minder claimed it was considered an unsafe place for those who worked there. So holiday makers were safe and MW workers were easy to tell apart from the tourists? For rapists and suchlike? 

After she arrived she was stunned when a fellow nanny passed on a message from hotel staff to never venture off the site alone.
We now need the statistics for Praia da Luz for  risk assessment. Off the site' gives the impression it was separate from the town. It is not, to go from one MW  building to another you go through ‘town’.  The supermarket is ‘in town’ but diagonally opposite the MW tennis courts. 100 meters down from 5A.

She added: “I just couldn’t get over how different it was to other Mark Warner resorts.


Thank you. So you’re one of the few nannies who had worked elsewhere for MW. That pares it down a bit futher.

“We were told, ‘Here’s a rape whistle, don’t go anywhere by yourself, ever.’ There’d been a girl attacked the year or so before in Praia da Luz. It didn’t sound like a family resort to me.
Would not surprise me if that ‘attacker’ was another holiday maker. If it is true.

“I just got the feeling the locals didn’t want us there.” It emerged in 2014 that 11 years earlier a 10-year-old British girl had been sexually assaulted “in the heart” of Praia da Luz.
That would be all those locals who stayed away from work to look for Maddie? Who selflessly kept on searching all through the night? Who couldn’t believe parents would leave small children alone in the dark?

The victim came forward three years ago after a Scotland Yard appeal revealed a string of potentially linked sex assaults on young UK girls across the Algarve between 2004 and 2006.
So eleven years earlier there was an attack on a British girl, is this part of the saga allegedly imparted by the consul to the McCanns that there had been a string on incidents where men had tried to get into bed with British girls?  This has not been backed up by any witness statements anywhere.

Mark Warner, which operates in resorts all over the world, quit Praia da Luz in 2015.


Yes, fine, clearly all MW’s fault. We got that. Rapes going on all around, people getting into bed with British girls. I particularly love that British bit, Algarve has German, Dutch, Swedish, Danish, Irish  tourist families visiting all the time. But clearly British were preferred - superior -  stock – something luckily only a small portion of British people believe.



Madeleine vanished as her parents ate with friends at a tapas bar just 40 yards from where she slept next to twin siblings, Amelie and Sean. Honestly, that distance is given as 50 meters, but that’s only if you can walk really fast through the pool in the middle.  KM said 49.2 but you'd still get very wet. It’s a 100 meters (you see?  Like the 100 meters to Batista supermarket which was such a long way from the MW complex) from the Tapas to the back entrance of 5A. Of which they had a very poor view through thick plastic. Even if the view had been clear, they’d only have seen their own bedroom window (in fact patio doors too) and the patio door of the living room next to it. For reasons best known to the parents, they decided to put the children in the front bedroom where the window and front door were totally invisible from the Tapas.

But the former nanny, who couldn’t face child minding again after the Algarve horror, said dining while kids were in the apartments was “really normal” in such resorts. And she insisted there was no evidence Kate and Gerry would ever neglect their kids. She said: “I remember thinking, even before I knew them, how they were the picture perfect family.’’ 
I’m lost now, even before you knew them you knew what a perfect family they were. Glad you remember thinking that – before as it were. Fine.  As for dining whilst kids etc. despite you being a nanny, you appear to have forgotten that there was a free evening nanny service and many families used this. So they could dine in peace. It was so ‘not normal’ to leave children alone in the dark in a strange environment that it appears no-one else did this.



The tapas bar was not far from the family's apartment Asked if she thinks Madeleine is still alive, the woman said: “Think possibly is the wrong word, but hope. I hope she is still alive.

“It’s probably very naive, but the best case scenario of a very horrible situation, is that she was procured and taken for a rich person who didn’t have children.
Then they would have taken the completely comatose Amelie. Who, together with her twin brother was apparently left alone in an apartment from which their sister had just been abducted. For KM trotted back the full 100 meters or so to the Tapas. Whilst she could easily have shouted from the balcony. It’s all academic anyway. There was no evidence of an abduction, no shutters interfered with or broken.

“I can’t go anywhere else in my head. I can read it about other people and know how horrible that seedy world is where children are sold. But my brain won’t go there with her. I just switch off.

“But I think the only person who knows exactly what happened is Madeleine. Can I believe it’s 10 years on? Yes and no.

No because 10 years seems like a really long time, she’d be nearly 14.

“And yes, because sometimes, when I talk about it, it feels like I’m right back there again.

“I wonder if she’s alive. Does she even remember? Does she remember her parents?

“I’m probably less harrowed by it now, but that’s just because, although it’s awful, it’s become accepted.

“‘It’s Madeleine, she’s gone missing but it would just be the best day ever if I could be told that she’s been found.”
Basically waffle in order to enter words like ‘alive’ present tense ‘does she remember?’  And  ‘she’s been found’.

Operation Grange, which was last month given £85,000 of Home Office funding to extend its probe until September, still speaks to witnesses. 
Slow but steady is the message here. What is needed here of course, is another sighting or a dead paedo’s confession to close the whole thing down. Except in the latter case, the gutter press will carry on with competitions to find the poor child’s grave.



1)  This link gives a factual account of the main events.
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Long ago, someone on this Forum. came up with a theory that K&G hd left a dead or unconscious Maddie in the apartment. And that without their previous knowledge, someone else -in the know- removed the body. 


Looking at this 'new' nanny-information, both the otherwise inexplicable catatonic state and the looking under cars makes sense. 


Yes, the demise of the child must have been a horrendous shock to both Kate and Gerry. But they were both doctors, accustomed to seeing death all around them on a daily basis. They must have been able to mask their shocked feelings in the dark and boozy circumstances of the farewell party. What might very well have tipped the balance is the totally unforeseen disappearance of the poor childs' remains from the bed where she presumably had been left (?) or the removal of the blue bag -if indeed she had been put in it awaiting further disposal by her parents. 


Kates catatonic state is totally beyond the realm of normality for a trained doctor, accustomed to handling corpses on a day to day basis -as witnessed by the fact she handled six dead bodies in just the one week she wore the chequered pants. She must have changed once in a while, so it's not inconceivable, she saw even more than six corpses wearing a change of clothes. Say: 10 (?) or 12 (?) per week? 


Kate being catatonic is very odd. Very odd indeed. 


They may well be trained doctors used to seeing dead bodies, day in day out, but they were not used to seeing the dead body of their own child, and knowing how that death occurred.

The catatonic state could have come about through shock and release - she knew her daughter was dead but had been keeping up a pretence of normality, once that pretence was able to be over 'normal' senses regarding the death of her child took over, hence the catatonic state

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