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Post by suzyjohnson on 20.03.17 15:26

I am still of the opinion that most likely an accident occurred on the 3 rd May and was hastily covered up. The possible connection, as far as I am concerned, between neglect and fatal accident is that an accident could have occurred as a result of sedating the children so that the parents could continue to go out in the evening leaving them unsupervised. That is how I think neglect fits into the overall picture. Had Madeleine died as a result of having been sedated, the McCanns would be at risk of losing their other children, their careers, their reputation and income.   

There are different theories on this forum, yet common to them all is that in order for an abduction to have occurred at all, it is necessary that SOME neglect did occur on the holiday (had the parents been present then no abduction could have happened) so, to one extent or another (depending on your theory), the McCanns need to be seen as neglectful in order for the abduction scenario to be accepted.



Added by a Mod:  AN OPEN INVITATION TO suzyjohnson OR ANYONE ELSE WHO DEFENDS THE IDEA THAT MADELEINE DIED AFTER 6PM ON 3 MAY TO EXPLAIN ALL OF THIS:
1. Probability Last Photo was taken on Sunday 29th
2. No other photo from that holiday that can be proved to have been taken after that (apart perhaps the Make-Up Photo)
3. Absence of Madeleine's DNA in the apartment
4. No credible evidence of independent sightings of Madeleine after Sunday (HideHo post)
5. Madeleine's pyjamas held up at two press conferences on 5 & 7June (Dr Martin Roberts)
6. Nuno Lourenco's clearly planned-in-advance fabrication of his child nearly being kidnapped by Wojchiech Krokowski (Richard Hall's 'The Phantoms', Part 1)
7. Multiple & irreconcilable contradictions about the alleged 'high tea' said to have taken place at 5pm-6pm on 3 May
8. Multiple contradictions in the evidence of the McCanns and the Tapas 7 about events after Sunday 29th
9. The McCanns' change of behaviour after Sunday e.g. only one parent seen with the twins, parents leaving by different doors
10. The sheer unlikelihood that the Tapas group could all sit down for dinner together at 8.30pm that evening having disposed of Madeleine's body and any evidence of her death.
Unless all of these can be properly explained by anyone on the forum still defending 'death after 6pm on 3 May', then surely that theory must be jettisoned for good?  - Mod    


I'm not saying that I know everything or that I'm necessarily right, it's just to me the Amaral / Pat Brown theory seems to me to be far the most likely explanation. I have great difficulty with the idea that the group spent an entire week dining out, playing tennis, pretending that nothing was wrong. I also think that anything other than a hasty decision to cover up, would have been a lot better organised.

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Post by xtrouble on 20.03.17 17:33

The hornets nest is buzzing. 

https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-macanns-to-be-charged-with-neglect




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A Mod writes: 

The petition says: "Kate, 48, and 47-year-old dad Gerry left 3 unattended children in a hotel room while they went off to enjoy a night out" 

No they didn't.

The petition also says:  "Madeleine, who was three at the time, was left sleeping in the family's apartment in the Algarve resort with her younger twin siblings as her parents went for dinner with friends"

No she wasn't.    - Mod

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Post by princess_leia on 20.03.17 20:23

Does anyone know if Goncalo Amaral still believes she died on 3rd May?


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We do know from a person who is in direct touch with him that he has been made aware of the strong evidence for a significant and serious event having occurred much earlier in the week. What he is going to put into his new book is being kept carefully under wraps until publication! - Mod

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Post by princess_leia on 20.03.17 21:11

@princess_leia wrote:Does anyone know if Goncalo Amaral still believes she died on 3rd May?


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We do know from a person who is in direct touch with him that he has been made aware of the strong evidence for a significant and serious event having occurred much earlier in the week. What he is going to put into his new book is being kept carefully under wraps until publication! - Mod
Okay thank you for your reply. 

I do believe she died prior to May 3rd... I've spent the afternoon reading and I can see why they would say they left the kids alone ever night. I'm currently watching Richard Halls 'When Madeleine Died'. I've seen it before but I feel like I need to watch this again.

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Post by sharonl on 20.03.17 21:36

First of all, they would need to prove that they actually did leave the kids alone.  After all, the PJ suggested that all the kids slept in one apartment, and we know that at least one adult member of the group was missing from the tapas party each night.
I believe that Madeleine died on April 29th.  If that is correct, then no way would the group risk any harm  coming to the remaining children.
The media, at every opportunity, report the line "Madeleine disappeared from her parents' apartment whilst they dined at the local tapas".  IMO, that is nothing more than an alibi, it puts across the idea that the McCanns were not present when Madeleine met her fate.  And of course, they could not claim the abduction without saying that they were out at the time.
IMO, They were far too quick to admit to leaving the kids alone, but they had to say that to cover for something much worse.

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Post by petunia on 20.03.17 21:50

A couple of days to resolve her mental health? how does that work? take with a pinch of salt what Kates gym buddie has told you Oh dear Oh dear will they be telling us next that Clarrie lies with has many teeth in his mouth

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Post by Verdi on 20.03.17 23:56

The Sun is publishing untruths.

Operation Grange have never stated they are chasing after anybody in Luz.
They have stated they are not in the business of giving a running commentary
and they are not doing so now.

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Now where have I heard those words before?  Ah yes I remember - it was the blacksmithbureau !!!

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Post by jeanmonroe on 21.03.17 0:12

Pam Gurner: "Take ALL you have read from Tracey Kandhola with a large pinch of salt, as she IS 'MAKING IT ALL UP'
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So, presumeably, 'our Trace' is ALSO 'MAKING IT ALL UP' with her latest EXCLUSIVE 'scoop'!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3133605/madeleine-mccann-parents-kate-gerry-reopen-find-maddie-facebook-trolls/

BEATING THE BULLIES Madeleine McCann’s parents Kate and Gerry re-open their Find Maddie Facebook account amid outpouring of support after taking ‘break’ from trolls
Initial message posted to the account said that the page would be back in a few days

EXCLUSIVE

By Tracey Kandohla and Brittany Vonow

20th March 2017, 10:30 pm  Updated: 20th March 2017, 10:35 pm

A HUGE outpouring of love and support for Madeleine’s McCann’s parents has encouraged them to re-open the official campaign Facebook page which they had taken offline after being inundated with abuse from trolls.

As the page administrator switched it back on she vowed to “continue to turn the page off if we receive hateful posts”.

She was immediately flooded with overwhelmingly positive comments on behalf of Kate and Gerry, some of which made her cry.
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"A HUGE outpouring of love and support for Madeleine’s McCann’s parents has encouraged them to re-open the official campaign Facebook page..."

I'll take 'that' with 'a large pinch of salt' then!

'Our Trace' is at it 'again'..............MAKING IT ALL UP!

Ain't that 'right' Pam?

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Post by Verdi on 21.03.17 0:22

Neglect = abduction

No neglect = no abduction

They're at it again - it works every time.


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Post by plebgate on 21.03.17 9:01

I don't visit the site but has anyone seen the outpouring of love messages to the site?

This is my view.  Maddie is missing, it is coming up to the tenth anniversary of her disappearance and because there has been an outpouring of love the site re-opens.  What is that all about?

If I were ever in that position my site WOULD REMAIN OPEN AT ALL TIMES - whatever so-called trolls and wait for it   -  BULLIES chose to say.

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Oh dear Tracy - apparently you are making everything up - has anyone complained to your boss or the newspaper watchdog?

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Post by tinkier on 21.03.17 10:26

@plebgate wrote:I don't visit the site but has anyone seen the outpouring of love messages to the site?

This is my view.  Maddie is missing, it is coming up to the tenth anniversary of her disappearance and because there has been an outpouring of love the site re-opens.  What is that all about?

If I were ever in that position my site WOULD REMAIN OPEN AT ALL TIMES - whatever so-called trolls and wait for it   -  BULLIES chose to say.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Oh dear Tracy - apparently you are making everything up - has anyone complained to your boss or the newspaper watchdog?
Re the official find Madeleine page..I turned the page back on blah blah blah has 406 comments and 1.6k likes. The page has been losing thousands of followers..on the 12/3 there were a total of 607,560 likes today the total now stands at 579,206 thats 28,354 less in 9 days. I have just had another look and in 5 minutes they have lost another 84 followers. big grin

Just a few of the comments listed below, the admin must be having a long lie in today!

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Post by pennylane on 21.03.17 10:27

@suzyjohnson wrote:I am still of the opinion that most likely an accident occurred on the 3 rd May and was hastily covered up. The possible connection, as far as I am concerned, between neglect and fatal accident is that an accident could have occurred as a result of sedating the children so that the parents could continue to go out in the evening leaving them unsupervised. That is how I think neglect fits into the overall picture. Had Madeleine died as a result of having been sedated, the McCanns would be at risk of losing their other children, their careers, their reputation and income.   

There are different theories on this forum, yet common to them all is that in order for an abduction to have occurred at all, it is necessary that SOME neglect did occur on the holiday (had the parents been present then no abduction could have happened) so, to one extent or another (depending on your theory), the McCanns need to be seen as neglectful in order for the abduction scenario to be accepted.

I'm not saying that I know everything or that I'm necessarily right, it's just to me the Amaral / Pat Brown theory seems to me to be far the most likely explanation. I have great difficulty with the idea that the group spent an entire week dining out, playing tennis, pretending that nothing was wrong. I also think that anything other than a hasty decision to cover up, would have been a lot better organised.
I am in total agreement Suzy.  roses

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Post by whatsupdoc on 21.03.17 10:45

@sharonl wrote:First of all, they would need to prove that they actually did leave the kids alone.  After all, the PJ suggested that all the kids slept in one apartment, and we know that at least one adult member of the group was missing from the tapas party each night.
I believe that Madeleine died on April 29th.  If that is correct, then no way would the group risk any harm  coming to the remaining children.
The media, at every opportunity, report the line "Madeleine disappeared from her parents' apartment whilst they dined at the local tapas".  IMO, that is nothing more than an alibi, it puts across the idea that the McCanns were not present when Madeleine met her fate.  And of course, they could not claim the abduction without saying that they were out at the time.
IMO, They were far too quick to admit to leaving the kids alone, but they had to say that to cover for something much worse.

I've thought that Madeleine died early in the week and that the parents took it in turns to watch all the children in the most suitable flat.

How often have people in a group gone sick in turn? That's new to me. Were the sick ones down for breakfast the next day?

Madeleine's demise has to be worse than falsely claiming neglect.

What makes the hole deeper is that all the McCann supporters say "those poor parents",who declined to add "who left their 2 and 3 year old children alone".  I think they are sympathising because "they are all in it together". IMO good parents would say "Bad news but we wouldn't leave our children that young alone".

Has the last 10 years of seeing pictures and reading dross stories in the press, interviews on tv sofas, one of the doctors being given a bravery award and t' other 'arf' becoming an Ambassador for Missing People just so prosecutions haven't been brought against the couple ?  It has deflected our gaze from other activities happening around the world but has shown the darker side of MPs and celebs.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 21.03.17 15:15

BEATING THE BULLIES Madeleine McCann’s parents Kate and Gerry re-open their Find Maddie Facebook account amid outpouring of support after taking ‘break’ from trolls
Initial message posted to the account said that the page would be back in a few days
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OH, NOOOOO!


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Post by worriedmum on 21.03.17 15:28

@pennylane wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:I am still of the opinion that most likely an accident occurred on the 3 rd May and was hastily covered up. The possible connection, as far as I am concerned, between neglect and fatal accident is that an accident could have occurred as a result of sedating the children so that the parents could continue to go out in the evening leaving them unsupervised. That is how I think neglect fits into the overall picture. Had Madeleine died as a result of having been sedated, the McCanns would be at risk of losing their other children, their careers, their reputation and income.   

There are different theories on this forum, yet common to them all is that in order for an abduction to have occurred at all, it is necessary that SOME neglect did occur on the holiday (had the parents been present then no abduction could have happened) so, to one extent or another (depending on your theory), the McCanns need to be seen as neglectful in order for the abduction scenario to be accepted.

I'm not saying that I know everything or that I'm necessarily right, it's just to me the Amaral / Pat Brown theory seems to me to be far the most likely explanation. I have great difficulty with the idea that the group spent an entire week dining out, playing tennis, pretending that nothing was wrong. I also think that anything other than a hasty decision to cover up, would have been a lot better organised.
I am in total agreement Suzy.  roses
 Interesting points for me are the sticker book----suggests a rushed response
Kate mentioning to Fiona at the table about whether the doors should be left open
Gerry mentioning to Jez Wilkins about the children in the room , and making a point of speaking to him.
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Post by pennylane on 21.03.17 18:04

@worriedmum wrote:
@pennylane wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:I am still of the opinion that most likely an accident occurred on the 3 rd May and was hastily covered up. The possible connection, as far as I am concerned, between neglect and fatal accident is that an accident could have occurred as a result of sedating the children so that the parents could continue to go out in the evening leaving them unsupervised. That is how I think neglect fits into the overall picture. Had Madeleine died as a result of having been sedated, the McCanns would be at risk of losing their other children, their careers, their reputation and income.   

There are different theories on this forum, yet common to them all is that in order for an abduction to have occurred at all, it is necessary that SOME neglect did occur on the holiday (had the parents been present then no abduction could have happened) so, to one extent or another (depending on your theory), the McCanns need to be seen as neglectful in order for the abduction scenario to be accepted.

I'm not saying that I know everything or that I'm necessarily right, it's just to me the Amaral / Pat Brown theory seems to me to be far the most likely explanation. I have great difficulty with the idea that the group spent an entire week dining out, playing tennis, pretending that nothing was wrong. I also think that anything other than a hasty decision to cover up, would have been a lot better organised.
I am in total agreement Suzy.  roses
 Interesting points for me are the sticker book----suggests a rushed response
Kate mentioning to Fiona at the table about whether the doors should be left open
Gerry mentioning to Jez Wilkins about the children in the room , and making a point of speaking to him.
All very interesting points worried mum.  The sticker book timelines certainly have last minute fiasco written all over it, as do many other facets of this case.

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Post by Cmaryholmes on 21.03.17 18:28

@pennylane wrote:G
@worriedmum wrote:
@pennylane wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:I am still of the opinion that most likely an accident occurred on the 3 rd May and was hastily covered up. The possible connection, as far as I am concerned, between neglect and fatal accident is that an accident could have occurred as a result of sedating the children so that the parents could continue to go out in the evening leaving them unsupervised. That is how I think neglect fits into the overall picture. Had Madeleine died as a result of having been sedated, the McCanns would be at risk of losing their other children, their careers, their reputation and income.   

There are different theories on this forum, yet common to them all is that in order for an abduction to have occurred at all, it is necessary that SOME neglect did occur on the holiday (had the parents been present then no abduction could have happened) so, to one extent or another (depending on your theory), the McCanns need to be seen as neglectful in order for the abduction scenario to be accepted.

I'm not saying that I know everything or that I'm necessarily right, it's just to me the Amaral / Pat Brown theory seems to me to be far the most likely explanation. I have great difficulty with the idea that the group spent an entire week dining out, playing tennis, pretending that nothing was wrong. I also think that anything other than a hasty decision to cover up, would have been a lot better organised.
I am in total agreement Suzy.  roses
 Interesting points for me are the sticker book----suggests a rushed response
Kate mentioning to Fiona at the table about whether the doors should be left open
Gerry mentioning to Jez Wilkins about the children in the room , and making a point of speaking to him.
All very interesting points worried mum.  The sticker book timelines certainly have last minute fiasco written all over it, as do many other facets of this case.
I think the sticker book timelines look rather too neat and carefully written to suggest last minute panic or rush. What they do suggest, as I sure we all agree is utter contempt for the owner of said book.

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Post by MTSTAR on 21.03.17 18:52

Yes this has lost me too.  I was always under the impression that the children were left alone.  I'm new to this forum so apologies if I'm coming across as dense.  I'm fascinated by this case and have always thought the McCanns were involved.  So many lies have been told it's hard to get a straight story.  It seems to be changing, especially recently.
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Post by MTSTAR on 21.03.17 19:00

@princess_leia wrote:I must be missing something here...so they never left them on their own during the holiday?  


I was wondering why I was seeing so many comments aboút this. 

I always believe that the general consensus was that they left the kids alone, M got out of bed, climbed up on the back of the sofa, fell and died, so has this changed now? 

What is the theory now then, how did she die?
Yes this has lost me too.  I was always under the impression that the children were left alone.  I'm new to this forum so apologies if I'm coming across as dense.  I'm fascinated by this case and have always thought the McCanns were involved.  So many lies have been told it's hard to get a straight story.  It seems to be changing, especially recently.
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Post by suzyjohnson on 21.03.17 20:57

@MTSTAR wrote:Yes this has lost me too.  I was always under the impression that the children were left alone.  I'm new to this forum so apologies if I'm coming across as dense.  I'm fascinated by this case and have always thought the McCanns were involved.  So many lies have been told it's hard to get a straight story.  It seems to be changing, especially recently.
 
In order to persuade people that an abduction had taken place, they would need to say that the children were left alone for long enough for an abduction to have happened. 

The possibilities would be that 1) The children were left alone and an abduction did take place or 2) that the children were left alone but that something else happened.

On the other hand, it's possible that the children were never left alone at all (that at least one adult was supervising each evening) and that something (other than abduction) happened. 

In this last case, the parents / group would wish to persuade the public that the children were neglected in order to cover up whatever else had happened, in addition to allowing time for abduction to have occurred.

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Post by MTSTAR on 22.03.17 9:47

@suzyjohnson wrote:
@MTSTAR wrote:Yes this has lost me too.  I was always under the impression that the children were left alone.  I'm new to this forum so apologies if I'm coming across as dense.  I'm fascinated by this case and have always thought the McCanns were involved.  So many lies have been told it's hard to get a straight story.  It seems to be changing, especially recently.
 
In order to persuade people that an abduction had taken place, they would need to say that the children were left alone for long enough for an abduction to have happened. 

The possibilities would be that 1) The children were left alone and an abduction did take place or 2) that the children were left alone but that something else happened.

On the other hand, it's possible that the children were never left alone at all (that at least one adult was supervising each evening) and that something (other than abduction) happened. 

In this last case, the parents / group would wish to persuade the public that the children were neglected in order to cover up whatever else had happened, in addition to allowing time for abduction to have occurred.



Thanks for that, it does make sense now.  How come this has just come to light? Or is it a theory that has always been held?
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Post by Reggiregg on 22.03.17 13:23

The idea that one or other of the group babysat all the children goes back to the early days. It was so odd one or other was ill for a single night. I wonder if they were all sedated though as looking after all those babies and todders would hAve been a nightmare for one person if some were awake.
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Post by Reggiregg on 22.03.17 13:30

Also it is impossible to believe they were all cold hearted enough to abandon babies night after night. The Oldfild baby was ill with diarrhoea and sickness.  The Tanner child was getting over a foot operation. If we believe the neglect tale they were all callous beyond belief.
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Re: FIGHTING THEIR CORNER Maddie McCann’s parents vow to fight ‘tooth and nail’ if they are ever prosecuted over leaving their kids alone

Post by MTSTAR on 22.03.17 14:10

@Reggiregg wrote:The idea that one or other of the group babysat all the children goes back to the early days. It was so odd one or other was ill for a single night. I wonder if they were all sedated though as looking after all those babies and todders would hAve been a nightmare for one person if some were awake.

That makes sense, but it does mean that all the group must know what happened. For some reason I keep getting the thought that as Madeleine was a difficult child, would it be possible that Gerry and Kate arranged for her to be 'adopted'?  It would explain their lack of grief and interest in sightings of her. Also if it was arranged in another country, they may have thought  that 'the abduction' wouldn't be investigated thoroughly.  But then we get back to the dogs smelling cadaverine and blood.  The PJ suspected that Madeleine died in the apartment which really makes more sense.  The whole group of adults sound incredibly selfish which ever scenario you look at.  Apologies if I'm going over old ground here.
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Re: FIGHTING THEIR CORNER Maddie McCann’s parents vow to fight ‘tooth and nail’ if they are ever prosecuted over leaving their kids alone

Post by Captain_Pugwash on 23.03.17 12:12

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@MTSTAR wrote:Yes this has lost me too.  I was always under the impression that the children were left alone.  I'm new to this forum so apologies if I'm coming across as dense.  I'm fascinated by this case and have always thought the McCanns were involved.  So many lies have been told it's hard to get a straight story.  It seems to be changing, especially recently.
 
In order to persuade people that an abduction had taken place, they would need to say that the children were left alone for long enough for an abduction to have happened. 

The possibilities would be that 1) The children were left alone and an abduction did take place or 2) that the children were left alone but that something else happened.

On the other hand, it's possible that the children were never left alone at all (that at least one adult was supervising each evening) and that something (other than abduction) happened. 

In this last case, the parents / group would wish to persuade the public that the children were neglected in order to cover up whatever else had happened, in addition to allowing time for abduction to have occurred.
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I thought Kate had the answers to this one, as discovered by the hired "big boys" of private investigation the apartment had been under surveillance by a predatory "man" who seized upon his chance in a "clunk".
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