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Scotland leaving EU no matter what - PM

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Post by whatsupdoc on 15.03.17 18:10

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The prime minister has claimed that Scotland will be leaving the European Union regardless of whether or not it votes for independence.
Speaking during an exchange with the SNP's Angus Robertson, Theresa May also warned against "constitutional game-playing".
Mr Robertson had accused Mrs May of breaking promises to secure a UK-wide agreement on Brexit.
She said there would be further talks with devolved administrations.
The heated exchange, at Prime Minister's Questions, came after First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced plans to call for a second independence referendum in response to the UK voting to leave the EU.
Ms Sturgeon wants the vote to be held in the autumn of next year or the spring of 2019, to coincide with the conclusion of the UK's Brexit negotiations.

The prime minister seized on comments from the European Commission on Monday, which suggested that an independent Scotland would have to apply to join the EU, rather than automatically being a member.
Commission spokesman Margaritis Schinas said the "Barroso doctrine" continued to apply - a reference to former commission president Jose Manuel Barroso setting out the legal view that if one part of an EU country became an independent state it would have to apply for EU membership.
Mrs May said: "Scotland will be leaving the European Union, it will leave the European Union either as a member of the United Kingdom or were it independent.
"It's very clear with the Barroso (doctrine), it would not be a member of the European Union.
"What we need now is to unite, to come together as a country and to ensure that we can get the best deal for the whole of the United Kingdom."

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Media captionAngus Robertson calls for a UK-wide Brexit agreement
Mr Robertson, the SNP leader at Westminster, said the prime minister had promised in July of last year that she would secure a UK-wide approach and agreement with the devolved administrations of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland before starting the formal Brexit process by triggering Article 50.
But he said that, with Mrs May due to invoke Article 50 by the end of this month, no agreement had yet been reached.

Mr Robertson asked: "Does she not understand that if she does not secure an agreement before triggering Article 50, if she is not prepared to negotiate on behalf of the Scottish government and secure membership of the single European market, people in Scotland will have a referendum and we will have our say."
Mrs May said there would be "further discussions" with devolved administrations during the Brexit negotiations.
And she told Mr Robertson: "You are comparing membership of an organisation that we have been a member of for 40 years, with our country. We have been one country for over 300 years.
"We have fought together, we have worked together, we have achieved together, and constitutional game-playing must not be allowed to break the deep bonds of our shared history and our future together."

'Informed choice'

There has been speculation that the SNP could be preparing to alter its long-standing policy of EU membership after independence, with some commentators suggesting the party could instead seek to become a member of the European Economic Area.
This would give Scotland full access to the single market, but without being a full member of the EU - similar to the status of Liechtenstein, Iceland and Norway.
Speaking on Tuesday, the Scottish government's Brexit minister, Michael Russell, said there would be "absolute clarity" on its position on EU membership by the time of any second referendum, asking for "patience" in the meantime.
He said: "We will set out our position in advance of the choice so it is an informed choice."
Meanwhile, the House of Commons will now consider holding a debate on whether a second Scottish referendum should take place after a petition was posted on the UK government's official website.
By 15:00 on Wednesday, there were almost 120,000 signatories to the petition titled: "Another Scottish independence referendum should not be allowed to happen".
All petitions backed by more than 100,000 signatures are considered for a parliamentary debate.

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Post by Rob Royston on 18.03.17 20:40

Here's Nicola, don't miss the end.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 18.03.17 21:57

@Rob Royston wrote:Here's Nicola, don't miss the end.

I looked at the last two or three minutes of this video, and noted that Nicola Sturgeon paid a warm and glowing tribute to that well-known Communist sympathiser, Canon Kenyon Wright. Here is an article I wrote about Canon Kenyon Wright back in 2004, at a time when the Labour government was about to start the process of breaking up England into nine separate regional governments, in line with Europen Union policy:


Canon Kenyon Wright - Communist Sympathiser given a C.B.E. for Helping to Break up Britain

by Tony Bennett

The defeat of the government’s plan to begin the break-up of England by, as they had earnestly hoped, securing a ‘Yes’ vote for an elected regional assembly for the North-East of England, will be a blow to 72-year-old Canon Kenyon Edward Wright, a Communist sympathiser once tried - and acquitted - of shoplifting. In 1999, after helping to found the Scottish Constitutional Convention a decade earlier - the body that successfully led the campaign for a Scottish Parliament - he became a Commander of the British Empire. The citation was ‘for services to devolution and constitutional reform’.

Born on 31 August 1932, Canon Wright gained a string of educational qualifications - a BA, a BSc, and an MA at Glasgow University - on the way to gaining a Masters Degree in Theology. He then entered the Methodist Church and became an ordained Methodist Minister in 1957  before - unusually - crossing to the Church of England after a stint as a missionary in India.

He soon began to be a key figure in a series of left wing, Marxist, organisations broadly of a ‘Christian Socialist’ nature. He became Canon Wright and Director of Urban Ministry at Coventry Cathedral in 1970 and in 1972 its ‘Director of International Ministry’. His Communist sympathies became evident in the 1980s when Keston College published a series of articles exposing the cruel persecution of committed Reformed and Protestant Christians in the Soviet Union.

As more and more of these distressing stories emerged, Canon Wright, rather than defending his suffering fellow-Christians, busied himself writing letters to the press describing Keston House as ‘prejudiced’ against the Soviet Union. In one letter, running to over 1,400 words, to The Scotsman  on 11 June 1986, he lambasted Keston College for ‘painting a totally false and misleading picture’ of Soviet persecution of Christians, though perversely he accepted their evidence of actual cases of torture as ‘accurate’. His letter drew a swift response from Rev. Donald Ross, Convenor of the Religion and Morals Committee of the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland, who wrote: “Rev. Kenyon Wright is doing just what the Communist system wants him to do: spread propaganda to the benefit of the USSR and other Communist countries. Communism is an atheistic system which does not tolerate opposition of a political or religious nature…the totalitarian persecuting system of Communism has murdered its millions and Wright would be better employed exposing its evils as Keston College does”.

On 4 March 1975, Canon Wright was finally acquitted - after two trials each lasting two days - on a charge of stealing a joint of pork from Bedworth supermarket. Earlier, the supermarket had banned him from the premises. After his acquittal, Wright ran an energetic campaign demanding a ‘probe’ into shoplifting, claiming that his prosecution “has opened my eyes to the abuses and injustices which must be causing suffering to thousands in this country”. Supermarkets, he said, ‘make the public vulnerable’ and ‘must accept greater responsibility for the consequences’. He unsuccessfully called for a ‘sort of national watchdog committee’ to protect wrongly-accused shoplifters.

In 1981, he became General Secretary of the Scottish Churches Council (SCC) and Vice-President of the British regional branch of 'Christian Peace Council (CPC), founded in 1958 as a Soviet front organisation. CPC prepared the ground for the first World Conference of the World Council of Churches in Prague in 1961. It later became one of 26 participating organisations in COSPEC - ‘Christian Organisations for Social, Political and Economic Change’ - which included various Marxist and feminist groups. In 1982, as General Secretary of the SCC and now a member of the CPC’s International Committee, the Moscow Patriarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church  (which was then in the pocket of the Communist Party) invited him to play a leading role at a CPC Conference, titled:  ‘Religious Workers for Peace for saving the Sacred Gift of Life from Nuclear Catastrophe’. The final conference message was drafted by Wright in conjunction with Orthodox Leader Metropolitan Gregarios.

In 1985, as a leading member of yet another organisation called ‘The Peace Team’, he engineered a declaration by Scottish Protestant Churches and the Roman Catholic Church in favour of ‘a nuclear freeze’, which was triumphantly hailed as “the first time Scottish churches have come together for over 400 years since the Reformation”.

His Communist sympathies - some claimed he was a KGB agent - were first exposed in the right-wing Salisbury Review in 1987. The same year, on one of his many journeys to the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, he met with Mikhael Gorbachev, boasting that he had discussed environmental issues personally with him. He went on to co-operate closely with Gorbachev as he and others planned the ‘Earth Summit’ in 1992, which he said was “the most important issue in the immediate future”.

He effectively set up the Scottish Constitutional Convention (SCC) in 1987, a development from an ecumenical initiative called Inter-Church Process, becoming SCC’s Executive Chairman in 1989. He guided the Constitutional Convention for many years until Scottish devolution was finally achieved in 1999. Frequently described as ‘the father of Scottish devolution’, he also played a major part in the campaign for a Welsh Assembly, styling himself as the Director of the People and Parliament Trust.

In 1990 he moved on to become Director of a group called ‘KAIROS’ - The Centre for a Sustainable Society - which promoted Communist ideas that the environment was so threatened that only globalist organisations could provide solutions, which KAIROS said were beyond the ability of nation-states alone to deliver. He developed this theme in six pamphlets called Pledges for the Planet.

He was also a key figure behind the ‘Churches Together’ movement, having founded ‘Inter-Church Process’ in 1985 as an initiative of the British Council of Churches. In ‘Phase 3’ of this ‘process’, the group Churches Together in Britain and Ireland - and Action of Churches Together in Scotland (ACTS) - were founded in 1990.

He joined Scottish Liberal Democrats in 2000, a convenient platform for his continued campaign against Trident nuclear submarines.

In February this year he was billed as the keynote speaker at a meeting to talk up the campaign for an elected regional assembly in the North-East, but when only ten people had shown an interest in the meeting after two months, it was postponed until August. At that meeting, his role was to highlight the many and varied alleged benefits that Scottish devolution had brought to the Scottish people, ironically at the same time that opinion polls were showing that a majority of Scots felt the Parliament was an expensive waste of time.


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