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Post by princess_leia on 15.03.17 10:19

Something I've always wondered, is what do the McCann supporters see that we don't.

A serious question, it honestly baffles me.
These are intelligent people, not all but there are some really intelligent people that falls into that group. I'm talking about the people who have been around from the start, who have followed the case as much as the rest of us. 

Over the last few days, I've revisited many articles, videos, things I hadn't even seen before. I always go into things with an open mind, (even after all these years) and try to look at things from all sides. But after watching and reading, it just convinces me more they were involved. 

I don't know how anyone can believe them knowing the facts of the case. 

The lies they told from day 1, how do they explain that? The shutters, we're smashed, jemmied, the doors were locked, the doors were unlocked. I believe it was Oct 2007 when Clarence Mitchell released a statement saying the McCann's had reversed their original statements...I mean that alone surely must give people cause for concern.

The 48 questions - Ok she was apparently advised not to answer by her lawyer, in my opinion if that's what she was advised fair enough, so this doesn't bother me so much. Although I think had it been me, I would answer them. 

The dogs, 200 cases I believe, Eddie had been involved in and they were all positive, except Jersey and McCann's 

The behaviour of the McCann's, the blogs, the jogging, the travelling etc Kate washing cuddle cat in particular, it's just so odd! - My grandson's other grandmother washed his teddy thing that he takes to bed because she said it was dirty, my daughter was not happy one bit...gosh even my son, who is now 13 has a cuddly toy he used to take to bed, it's stored away now, but I would never dream of washing it. It's never been and never will be washed. 
I know this isn't evidence of cover up a death, it's just bizarre behaviour.

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Post by leajay11 on 15.03.17 11:14

I wonder the same myself Princess....I've also read and watched more on the case this past month than I ever had and nothing is clearer, in my opinion, that the McCann's are guilty - and I don't mean guilty of neglect.  Their supporters are generally sympathetic parents who believe that they were just a victim of a very unfortunate event in circumstances that anyone could have put themselves in.  Even the non-supporters tend to only be that because they can't comprehend how they could have left their children unattended whilst they were out having a good time.....if only they'd read everything we have....what would they say then!?

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Post by Guest on 15.03.17 11:24

I think for a lot of these commentators it is a case of indulging in the fashionable activity of virtue signalling. These people make a simplistic assessment without even a cursory glance at the facts and then proceed to emote and virtue signal at each and every opportunity. They're not even consistent or coherent but that doesn't seem to matter. I despair of mainstream British media but believe the overwhelming public opinion will win the day, hopefully. Really good question though!
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Post by JRP on 15.03.17 11:39

I would say that Eddie and Keela were 100% successful in all their cases. The idea that they alerted to a coconut shell is an attempt to discredit them, as are the alerts to sea bass and dirty nappies.

It's difficult to know why, when given the same evidence on any subject, some people believe and some people don't. Perhaps it's a capability or lack of understanding evidence which differentiates us all. Perhaps many people just believe what the daily newspapers and the TV news tells them, and anything they read or watch in other media, such as blogs, forums, youtube has less value.

If we look at celebrities, there seems to me to be a certain line which they all toe. If you watch quiz-coms like Mock the Week, QI, 8 out of 10 Cats, all the comedians have very much the same opinion on all news stories. For instance, Donald Trump is an idiot, Jeremy Corbyn is an idiot, leaving the EU is disastrous. 
You would think there would be at least one of them who thought differently, but there isn't.

I believe they do this because they know it would be a career ending decision if they spoke about controversial subjects in a positive manner. 

Members of the public tend to lead busy lives, the world is driven by celebrities these days, so people tend to believe what they hear them say or what they tweet on Twitter. They get their facts from Beyonce, Brian Cox, Google, Wikipedia, or the BBC website.

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Post by 23 Librae on 15.03.17 12:10

I think there are lots of reasons, a few ideas of the top of my head are
 
Some people however educated really aren’t that smart. They are just very good parrots with limited capacity for independent thought.
 
Some people believed them in the beginning and now refuse to change their beliefs based on new information, facts or evidence.
 
Some people have not read anything other than the newspaper stories and can’t imagine they might be incorrect or misleading.
 
Some people defend anyone accused of anything. Or like to align themselves with perceived criminals, it makes them feel good, powerful even. I bet if Gerry was in prison he would get lots of fan mail.
 
Some people have problems with objectivity and let their emotions be their truth even when those emotions were manipulated.
 
Some people just enjoy the arguing and trolling.
 
Some people publicly appear to support and believe them because they wouldn’t dare say otherwise. They have doubts in private though.
 
“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.” – Mark Twain
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Post by jeanmonroe on 15.03.17 12:22

I'm not sure HOW 'much' they can 'see' through their 'rose-tinted glasses'

"They looked at 'life' through rose-tinted glasses"

"..........to see only the pleasant things about a situation and not notice the things that are unpleasant."


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Post by Verdi on 15.03.17 12:25

For the most part. I think you will find that the McCann supporters, by this I mean the faction that have set-up their own domain/s and troll the internet looking to destroy McCann critics, are a minority group comprising extended family members, friends, campaigners and shills.

Some roam from place to place under different user names, firstly endearing themselves to the surroundings and then slowly but surely they reveal their true purpose.  CMoMM doesn't escape the net - they move among us always.  Others are just openly hostile but stay within their own environment.

No doubt there are a number of citizens out there on the street that know little or nothing about the case and only see the tragedy of a missing child and the injustice of the huge amount of public money being ploughed into one single case of a missing child.  They are not the problem here - not everyone wants to get involved with the finer detail anymore than some want to open their eyes to the atrocities that affect our everyday lives.

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Post by JRP on 15.03.17 13:13

I believe there is a squad of people who are paid to discredit anyone who dares to disbelieve the parents story. The more famous they are, or the more important to the case they are, the worse the abuse becomes.
I believe they are paid to do their work, because ordinary people wouldn't patrol the internet each and every day, commenting on any thread they can find. Amazon, Youtube, Twitter, Facebook... endless reams of disinformation written, just to back up the unbelievable accounts of the parents and their friends.

It must be a unique scenario, where if you want to find out what really happened to Madeleine, you become labelled as Anti-Parents. That's what an Anti-McCann is, Anti-Parents. Is that not completely bizarre?

There is a possibility that the Twitter posters who attack the parents could be doing so to gain the parents some sympathy. The old game of attacking oneself to gain public support.

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Post by willowthewisp on 15.03.17 13:31

jeanmonroe wrote:I'm not sure HOW 'much' they can 'see' through their 'rose-tinted glasses'

"They looked at 'life' through rose-tinted glasses"

"..........to see only the pleasant things about a situation and not notice the things that are unpleasant."


Prescriptions now being taken for any"Officers"from Operation stGrange that may have had"Eye strain"whilst funnelling through the collated information?

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Post by Verdi on 15.03.17 15:43

JRP wrote:I believe there is a squad of people who are paid to discredit anyone who dares to disbelieve the parents story. The more famous they are, or the more important to the case they are, the worse the abuse becomes.
I believe they are paid to do their work, because ordinary people wouldn't patrol the internet each and every day, commenting on any thread they can find. Amazon, Youtube, Twitter, Facebook... endless reams of disinformation written, just to back up the unbelievable accounts of the parents and their friends.

It must be a unique scenario, where if you want to find out what really happened to Madeleine, you become labelled as Anti-Parents. That's what an Anti-McCann is, Anti-Parents. Is that not completely bizarre?

There is a possibility that the Twitter posters who attack the parents could be doing so to gain the parents some sympathy. The old game of attacking oneself to gain public support.
One avid supporter in particular has openly admitted that he regularly trawls the internet to learn what people are saying - Michael Wright of Skipton Yorkshire, husband of Kate McCann's cousin.

Lisbon trial - McCann v. Goncalo Amaral.  Day 4 witness no. 1 - Michael Wright

(MW = Michael Wright.  ID = Isabel Duarte, McCanns lawyer)

MW says it refers to all sorts of conspiracy theories that appeared on various forums.

ID - asks if the witness can name some of these forums.

MW The  ........... and .......... These forums were full of speculation focused on GA's conclusions. People said those conclusions must be true because GA had been in charge of the initial investigation.

ID - When?

MW – Activity was increased and heavy in March/April 2009.

ID - Did the McCanns learn about these forums? How?

MW They learned through me, the family members who monitored the activity and their support group
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I wondered whether it was worse to let them know or not to. I didn't want to add up to their pain, but a significant change happened. There were several instances of threats to kidnap the twins on the ....... Then I couldn't but speak. There was a chat where a poster suggested someone should kidnap a twin to get to the truth.

ID - Is this dialogue on the forum? Can you get a copy?

MW says he has a copy and can deliver it.

ID - asks if it's possible to put the paper copy on the internet?

MW thinks the 3A doesn't exist anymore. He says the McCanns took action against this threat and against the ......... The main page of .. had the 5 conclusions.

ID asks whether he has a copy.

MW says he has screen shots. He adds he had to tell his cousins about the threats. They reported them to the UK police (Leicestershire Police). He was visited by a police officer on the matter.

ID - Was a process formally investigated?

MW had only one contact with the police. He doesn't know what happened afterwards.

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Post by JulieC on 15.03.17 16:26

I think a lot of their supporters are very blinkered. They take small pieces of information that sound right and just run with it. 

There's one on Twitter who argues till he's blue in the face that the Find Madeleine Fund is a registered charity. Links to Companies House showing it's correct status as a Limited Company fail to make any difference. You just can't help some people.

I think there are others who've left children alone themselves who feel they must offer support as a way of making themselves feel less guilty. 

Ive never actually met anyone in person who doesn't think they've lied. The majority I speak to are all of the opinion it was a tragic accident that has been covered up.

Quite how anyone who has properly read up on the story can believe the parents is way beyond me.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 15.03.17 16:51

@ JulieC

There's one on Twitter who argues till he's blue in the face that the Find Madeleine Fund is a registered charity.
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Not Ka£e@gizzuzureffingdosh.... is it?    big grin

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Post by JulieC on 15.03.17 17:02

jeanmonroe wrote:@ JulieC

There's one on Twitter who argues till he's blue in the face that the Find Madeleine Fund is a registered charity.
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Not Ka£e@gizzuzureffingdosh.... is it?    big grin
No, its @walkercan1000

Just 100% blinkered.
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Post by JRP on 15.03.17 17:03

@JulieC 
It's not that he doesn't want to know, it's more he's paid to put a message over and shut people up. It wouldn't be the same fellow Verdi mentions a couple of post up would it? Our beach-combing friend? Anyway it smells of pork pies.

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Post by Cmaryholmes on 15.03.17 17:04

Leaving aside the real pros, who have their own agenda, I believe that the majority of people trust the news providers in this country to give them accurate information. We are supposed,after all to be a 'democracy', where freedom of speech is sacrosanct. As the BBC , ITN, Sky News, and all the papers from tabloid to so called quality have been running with the Mccann narrative for 10 years, it takes a large leap of faith to believe that all these 'respectable' agencies (with all their trendy speak about transparency and robust evidence) have been complicit in an almost unbelievable scam. As Kate said, most people are inherently good, so the idea that such a fraud could be perpetrated with the full knowledge of such august organisations is unimaginable to many of them. All IMHO , of course.

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Post by Roxyroo on 15.03.17 17:16

Its like when ppl say "don't believe it as it's from the internet" ridiculous statement. Like saying don't believe it as it's in a book, before the printing press was invented!
Bo*l*cks!

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Post by nglfi on 15.03.17 18:03

Before I presented one of my friends with evidence from the Portuguese files, after which they changed their opinion, they simply couldn't believe that any parents would harm/abuse their own children. When I showed them the Gaspar statements in particular, they literally couldn't belive it at first. It is very sad that we live in a world where parents harm and abuse their own children, but it seems some people are quite innocent/don't want to accept that this actually happens.

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Post by JulieC on 15.03.17 19:54

nglfi wrote:Before I presented one of my friends with evidence from the Portuguese files, after which they changed their opinion, they simply couldn't believe that any parents would harm/abuse their own children. When I showed them the Gaspar statements in particular, they literally couldn't belive it at first. It is very sad that we live in a world where parents harm and abuse their own children, but it seems some people are quite innocent/don't want to accept that this actually happens.

I think saying a lot of people are innocent in regards to parental abuse is spot on. I think we all try not to think about it but are fully aware there are some awful people out there that have no conscience about the things they do.

I'd love to show the world some of the stuff I've seen in the last few months but it would soon be shut down! The Truth of the Lie is my current read and proving extremely interesting.
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Post by Verdi on 15.03.17 20:05

JulieC wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:@ JulieC

There's one on Twitter who argues till he's blue in the face that the Find Madeleine Fund is a registered charity.
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Not Ka£e@gizzuzureffingdosh.... is it?    big grin
No, its @walkercan1000

Just 100% blinkered.
Not blinkered - paid.  Every man has his price.

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Post by Verdi on 15.03.17 20:07

JRP wrote:@JulieC 
It's not that he doesn't want to know, it's more he's paid to put a message over and shut people up. It wouldn't be the same fellow Verdi mentions a couple of post up would it? Our beach-combing friend? Anyway it smells of pork pies.
Excuse me - renowned pork pies if you don't mind smilie !

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Post by sandancer on 15.03.17 20:28

Walker has to be paid​ to come up with these rib cracking​ comments​ 

Gaspar statements ...... They were​ discussing​ breastfeeding !

Cadaver odour ....Only lasts 28 days !    spit coffee

My friend is going​ into​ hospital soon for surgery I introduced her to some great​ reading whilst confined 

The PJ Files 

The​ Truth of the Lie .

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Post by Verdi on 15.03.17 20:38

Nothing to be gained by ..



.. only blind ignorance.

Burying your head won't make a problem go away, this indirectly equates to condoning a criminal act - to convince yourself that child abuse just doesn't happen just because you can't/don't want to believe it possible, is an outrageous demonstration of ignorance.

I repeat, this faction of McCann supporters are extended family, friends, campaigners and shills.  Folk who live in denial or don't particularly concern themselves with the case of Madeleine McCann's disappearance do not join McCann support networks of any description - if they did they would swiftly realise they were being hoodwinked by the professionals.

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 15.03.17 20:47

sandancer wrote:My friend is going​ into​ hospital soon for surgery I introduced her to some great​ reading whilst confined 

The PJ Files 

The​ Truth of the Lie .

Don't forget PeterMac's free e-book: http://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/
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Post by Verdi on 15.03.17 20:50

sandancer wrote:Walker has to be paid​ to come up with these rib cracking​ comments​ 

Gaspar statements ...... They were​ discussing​ breastfeeding !

Cadaver odour ....Only lasts 28 days !    spit coffee

I don't follow twitter, facebook or any other social networking outfit unless attention is drawn to a particular issue.  From that alone the name Walker always appears up-front - is s/he online twenty four hours a day seven days a week?  Allow me to recommend a good quality home brew..



.... and the aroma is better than that of desperation.

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Post by Verdi on 15.03.17 20:57

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
sandancer wrote:My friend is going​ into​ hospital soon for surgery I introduced her to some great​ reading whilst confined 

The PJ Files 

The​ Truth of the Lie .

Don't forget PeterMac's free e-book: http://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/
..... and for it's recuperation qualities along with it's soporific properties - a novelette.....

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

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