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Post by suzyjohnson on 12.03.17 21:33

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:There are thousands of comments in the newspapers today, along the lines of why aren't the McCanns funding their own investigation? It doesn't seem to have occurred to them that SY might be investigating the McCanns.
It hasn't occurred to me either - and I'm not one of them.


I would genuinely be astonished if you could give me even a scrap of evidence that they "might be investigating the McCanns".        

Can you?

Ok, maybe it hasn't occurred to SY either.

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Post by sharonl on 12.03.17 22:03

It just proves that they are taking notice of what the justice seekers are saying.

We query the investment and within weeks the cash is returned to the fund, are so we are told.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.03.17 22:14

@suzyjohnson wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:There are thousands of comments in the newspapers today, along the lines of why aren't the McCanns funding their own investigation? It doesn't seem to have occurred to them that SY might be investigating the McCanns.
It hasn't occurred to me either - and I'm not one of them.


I would genuinely be astonished if you could give me even a scrap of evidence that they "might be investigating the McCanns".        

Can you?

OK, maybe it hasn't occurred to SY either.
Really? Come off it. They can read threads like his one: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13730-this-was-not-true#359866 just the same as you and I can. You, me and them; we all have a pair of eyes.

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Post by suzyjohnson on 12.03.17 22:22

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:There are thousands of comments in the newspapers today, along the lines of why aren't the McCanns funding their own investigation? It doesn't seem to have occurred to them that SY might be investigating the McCanns.
It hasn't occurred to me either - and I'm not one of them.


I would genuinely be astonished if you could give me even a scrap of evidence that they "might be investigating the McCanns".        

Can you?

OK, maybe it hasn't occurred to SY either.
Really? Come off it. They can read threads like his one: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13730-this-was-not-true#359866 just the same as you and I can. You, me and them; we all have a pair of eyes.

I was joking Tony :)

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Post by suzyjohnson on 12.03.17 23:19

“They are not suggesting he stole Maddie but he may know people who could have been involved after a burglary went wrong. The investigation in Britain seems to be grinding to a halt and they want to rule him out of the case if not rule him in.'' ............. ???


'' ........they are taking the new lead so seriously that top Whitehall ­officials are being briefed on its progress, it is ­understood.'' ................... ???


Why would Whitehall be interested in a Portuguese tapas bar worker that might possibly know something about a burglary gone wrong?

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Post by sallypelt on 12.03.17 23:22

Witness Testimony of Nuno Filipe Guerreiro Da Conceicao
Date of Diligence: 2007.05.06
Time: 20H50
Locale: Praia da Luz
Executing Officer: Pedro Florindo, Inspector
Profession: Maintenance Technician
Place of work: Ocean Club Resort, Praia da Luz, Lagos

That he comes to the process as a witness and states:
- That he is a functionary of the Ocean Club for about eight years and exercises his functions in the maintenance area. He is responsible for fulfilling maintenance requests on all the buildings related to the resort.
- That he works daily from 09H00 to 18H00, with weekly breaks on Wednesday and Thursday. Besides his routine hours, he also may be called at any time to carry out maintenance/repairs.
- That the majority of people who stay at the resort are foreigners, mainly English.
- Questioned, he states that, last Thursday, he was off duty but was called by the reception and went to the resort around 020H30 to open a door that had problems. After completing the work for which he was called, which took him about 15 minutes, he left for his residence, and was again contacted, at around 22H15 to ask him if there were torch/flash lights that could be used to help look for a child that had gone missing. The deponent responded that there weren't any and was not called again that night.
- When he arrived the next morning, around 07H10, he encountered many people and GNR/police close to block 5 along with some foreigners, who, at the time, he associated with the disappearance of the child he had heard about the night before. He headed toward his place of work and that morning carried out his functions which included the cleaning of the pools next to the Tapas restaurant. He did not notice anything out of the ordinary.
- During the day he learnt more via his colleagues of the story of the missing child.
- Questioned, he states that he never came across a circumstance that made him pay particular attention to this family, not with the children or before the disappearance.
- Questioned, he states that he does not remember having seen Madeleine's face before her photograph was released in the media and which he helped distribute to the apartments after her disappearance.
- He states that the break-ins to the apartments are common, especially
for burglary purposes, and that some are the result of clients leaving their doors open.
- Questioned, he states that according to what he remembers, he did not observe any abnormal movements by any individual that would indicate s/he was preparing to commit a criminal act.
- And nothing more was said. He reads and finds it in conformity.

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a load of tosh

Post by worriedmum on 12.03.17 23:41

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@ChippyM wrote:How can the media blatantly lie like this and constantly get away with it? where is the direct quote from police saying they are investigating one particular person?  There isn't any such confirmation!
Exactly. 
And I keep looking for the most recent official piece of news in this sorry saga- the Supreme Court of Portugal' s ruling on their status as suspects. Anybody got a magnifying glass? It must be there somewhere in a balanced piece of journalism..
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Post by Verdi on 12.03.17 23:59

@Phoebe wrote:Theresa May does not know what the Supreme Court's next statement will be and is hoping that by being seen to continue to support the McCanns a message will go to the Portuguese that Gerry and Kate still enjoy the confidence and protection of the British establishment. They must presume that any findings from the court may not emerge for some months.
Sorry - what's all this about, have I missed something?

As far as I'm aware, the Lisbon Supreme Court ruling is final.  There have been murmerings through the UK media about the McCanns and their lawyer demanding that the Supreme Court ruling be revoked because they say the court's decision was 'frivolous'  -  good luck with that one I say!

The Supreme Court ruling has been ratified, there can't be 'a next statement' or 'any findings that may not emerge for some months' - surely?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 13.03.17 0:12

"He states that the break-ins to the apartments are common, especially for burglary purposes, and that some are the result of clients leaving their doors open."

Oh dear, NO valid 'insurance claim' there then, for the McS!

"So, HOW did the bungling burglators, who took 'nothing of value', actually get in to your apartment Mr and Mrs McCan't?"

"We erm, y'know, to be honest, yeah, LEFT the door, um, open"

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Post by jeanmonroe on 13.03.17 0:39

Thx to 'cherry1' airkiss

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/596084/madeleine-mccann-police-search-investigation-funding-katy-gerry-portugal-missing

Taxpayer fury as police handed extra funding to look for missing Madeleine McCann

TAXPAYERS blasted a decision to extend the police hunt for missing Madeleine McCann by another six months.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 12th March 2017

The Home Office is to hand the Metropolitan Police £85,000 to continue its investigation.

An inquiry – which has already cost £12million – was due to be shelved at the end of the month.

But the extra cash was granted after police said they have identified an individual they want to question.

The unnamed “person of interest” was in the same part of Portugal when Madeleine – then three – vanished from Praia da Luz in 2007.

Madeleine’s former GP mum Kate, 49, and heart specialist dad Gerry, 48, said they were “incredibly grateful” the police search would continue.

But news of the decision began trending on Twitter.

One taxpayer tweeted: “The Govt has spent £13m of OUR money searching for a child who’s (sic) parents left her at home in a foreign country alone.”

Another messaged: “All these talks of those naughty Tory cuts and yet this is still being funded.”
A third wrote: “253 children listed on Missing Kids website. Why is this case special?”

A fed-up householder wrote: “I have 2 cops to police my crime-ridden area and no CCTV.”

Another taxpayer said: “Sorry but what about the millions of other missing children who had funds cut.”

A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: “The investigation is ongoing.”

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Post by Roxyroo on 13.03.17 2:16

Wow, just wow. AT LAST! Taxpayers being angry is mentioned! Now we're getting somewhere, don't know where but its one plus to us.

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Post by Mirage on 13.03.17 8:19

From an interview with Goncalo Amaral on CMTV 23 April 2016:
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Anchor João Ferreira - Gonçalo, what pressures did you feel during the investigation?

Gonçalo Amaral - The pressures were felt immediately with the consul's intervention (Bill Henderson) followed a few hours later after by the British ambassador (John Buck).

Anchor - The consul and the British ambassador?

Gonçalo Amaral - Yes, the consul called us at around 9am, 9:30am of the 4th of May, stating that the Judiciary police wasn't doing anything, that we were not doing anything, and that a different kind of intervention was needed, a diplomatic one. This did took place, the British ambassador who was at the time in Lisbon went to Portimão where he met with us, with me, with Dr. Guilhermino Encarnação, who was the director of the PJ of Faro, with Dr. Luís Neves, who was also present.

Anchor - And what was addressed in that meeting? The inaction of the Judiciary Police?

Gonçalo Amaral - Well, if you notice, immediately after that meeting, a press statement is drafted talking about an abductor, I believe that it was Dr. Guilhermino da Encarnação who read it, there and then the parents start talking about an abductor. The pressure was in that sense, to state that it was an abduction from the first moment.

Anchor - From the first moment there's the attempt to construct the narrative of abduction?

Gonçalo Amaral - From the first moment. It was almost simultaneous, that press statement of the Judiciary Police was read, if memory doesn't fail me, at the door of the PJ headquarters of Portimão...

Tânia Laranjo - Yes, at the the door of the Portimão's headquarters.

Gonçalo Amaral - ...and right away, on the other side of the headquarters, was the couple giving a press statement. The meeting with the ambassador had ended only a few minutes before.

Anchor - But when did you and the rest of the team of PJ investigators begin to have the belief that the explanation for this case could be in fact related to an accidental death concealed by the parents?

Gonçalo Amaral - When all the other lines of investigation, namely the abduction, reached a dead end. So we had to go back to the starting point. What should happen now, if the process isn't archived again, is to do what is obligatory when following a determined line of investigation. That is what we did then, we investigated a third party involvement, not of the parents but of others, which enables the press statements and that press statement of the couple, previously mentioned. That was the abduction thesis that was investigated. We came to the conclusion that an abduction wasn't possible. We started to have doubts, we started to question the statement of one person, another person that belonged to the group and was there, Jane Tanner, and the said conflicts, and lies that happened throughout. So, we couldn't go further in the investigation to the abduction thesis, we had to go back to the starting point. And when returning to the starting point, there's a new inspection to the apartment where the dogs brought by the British police were used. We were working in close cooperation with the British police, they were always with us until the day when the couple left. Then they all left. I wondered at the time what exactly they were doing here then, because one thing is to assist in an investigation and the investigation wasn't concluded when the couple left Portugal in September 2007, and they all left in the following day, "good bye, see you again, let's talk on the phone, exchange mails. "We were left alone when we had already reached these conclusions along with the British police input. Earlier I spoke about the Judiciary Police's opinion, but it was also the British police's opinion that was always present and present in the investigations.

Anchor - So there were members of the British police whose opinions agreed with this thesis?

Gonçalo Amaral - I can tell you that one of the officers, a former police officer, that was present when the preliminary reports were known, what he said about the results was that back in England they would already have been arrested. The issue was that report was just a preliminary one and we needed the data of the official report, which arrived at the PJ as it did. That was his opinion, affirmed in front of several people who can testify to that.

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Post by plebgate on 13.03.17 8:55

Thank you mirage - always handy to be reminded of interviews, videos etc.

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Post by Mirage on 13.03.17 10:08

@plebgate wrote:Thank you mirage - always handy to be reminded of interviews, videos etc.
Thanks Plebbers.

Just another element referred to in that interview with Goncalo Amaral on CMTV -

According to Rui Pereira, (co-interviewee) the Public Ministry absented itself from the Judicial Police process in this case which is against normal procedure and experience.

The inference, as far as I understand it, being the JP were out on their own, and were not backed up by their own government department. This basically created a lop-sided equation because the British Government plus the British diplomatic corps and the British police were involving themselves in the investigative process on Portuguese soil.



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Post by jeanmonroe on 13.03.17 10:40

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3075661/good-morning-britain-viewers-in-meltdown-over-ridiculous-11-1-million-bill-for-the-madeleine-mccann-investigation-as-top-cop-declares-it-is-a-waste-of-money/

MADDIE PROBE SLAMMED Good Morning Britain viewers in meltdown over ‘ridiculous’ £11.1 million bill for the Madeleine McCann investigation as top cop declares it is a waste of money.

Piers Morgan debated the case as it was revealed police are getting another £85,000 to continue hunt a decade after the youngster vanished

By Louise Randell, Senior Showbiz Reporter

13th March 2017, 8:58 am  Updated: 13th March 2017, 9:45 am

GOOD Morning Britain viewers went into meltdown today as they vented their fury over the “ridiculous” £11.1 million which has been spent on the hunt for Madeleine McCann.

Piers Morgan debated the case on the show today as it was revealed police are getting another £85,000 to prop up the probe – a decade after the youngster disappeared in Portugal.

Piers Morgan led the debate on Good Morning Britain today
Funding for the case has been extended for another six months, and the move was a hot topic on Good Morning Britain today.

Piers and his co-host Susanna Reid debated the issue with retired Met police officer Sue Hill, Dr Graham Hill, who worked on the investigation, and Karen Danczuk.

Top cop Sue declared the huge bill is a waste of taxpayers’ money – and urged the force to finally “put sentiment aside”.

She said: “Knowing how many undetected murders there are here in London… sometimes you have to put sentiment to one side and say enough is enough.”

Retired police officer Sue Hill is convinced the force needs to put ‘sentiment aside’
Viewers were left furious as it emerged the investigation has cost more than £11 million so far since Maddie, three, vanished in 2007.

Fans took to Twitter to insist police resources had been stretched far enough by the case – and many suggested other missing child cases have been underfunded in comparision to the Maddie probe.

One outraged viewer wrote: “Glad that @gmb are covering the #MadeleineMccann funding. This case is being over-resourced, yet again. Taxpayers aren’t happy.”

Another added: “11.1m on the search for #MadeleineMccann is ridiculous…”

McCanns believe Maddie's alive

Dr Graham Hill claimed the original investigation was 'botched'

A third tweeted: "#MadeleineMcCann When Do We #ScaleBack Really? Im #Hurt For The Families Of This Girl But What About Other #Children Who Have #Disappeared?"

Another added: "Oi I'm not being funny but if I was abducted in Benidorm when I was 8, my mum would not have got 11m quid to look for me #MadeleineMccann."

TV detective claims Maddie McCann knew where parents were and went looking for them

The funding bump comes after it emerged cops are chasing a new lead as they hunt for a a former employee of the resort where Maddie disappeared.

British police want to seek to a Portuguese man who worked at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

The unnamed man had previously been interviewed by cops desperate to track down Maddie, but now they have reason to believe he may hold more key info.

A Portuguese police source told The Mirror: "British officers are very keen to question him and are convinced he knows more than he was previously saying.

“They are not suggesting he stole Maddie but he may know people who could have been involved."
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"“They are not suggesting he stole Maddie but he may know people who could have been involved."

What 'happens' IF 'he' tells the British Police officers, "I believe I know who could have been involved, with Madeleine's disappearance, it was the Mcs and their 7 'friends'"?



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Post by BlueBag on 13.03.17 10:46

They are desperately trying to create a new narrative.

Neglect and abduction.

They think that the public may be satisfied it the McCanns get a slap on the wrist.
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Post by JulieC on 13.03.17 10:50

@suzyjohnson wrote:“They are not suggesting he stole Maddie but he may know people who could have been involved after a burglary went wrong. The investigation in Britain seems to be grinding to a halt and they want to rule him out of the case if not rule him in.'' ............. ???


'' ........they are taking the new lead so seriously that top Whitehall ­officials are being briefed on its progress, it is ­understood.'' ................... ???


Why would Whitehall be interested in a Portuguese tapas bar worker that might possibly know something about a burglary gone wrong?


That's exactly what I was thinking. Truly astonishing statement.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 13.03.17 10:57

"..........they are taking the new lead so seriously that top Whitehall ­officials are being briefed on its progress"
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What 'department' at Whitehall is being 'briefed' on 'progress'?

I believe ANY Whitehall 'department' is subject to FOI 'requests'. (istbc)

Anyone 'know' what Whitehall 'department/officials' we are 'talking about'?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 13.03.17 11:10

@jeanmonroe wrote:Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3075661/good-morning-britain-viewers-in-meltdown-over-ridiculous-11-1-million-bill-for-the-madeleine-mccann-investigation-as-top-cop-declares-it-is-a-waste-of-money/

MADDIE PROBE SLAMMED Good Morning Britain viewers in meltdown over ‘ridiculous’ £11.1 million bill for the Madeleine McCann investigation as top cop declares it is a waste of money.

Piers Morgan debated the case as it was revealed police are getting another £85,000 to continue hunt a decade after the youngster vanished...

Dr Graham Hill claimed the original investigation was 'botched'
Dr Graham Hill features on page 6 of our 'ROGUES GALLERY' thread: 

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13381-rogue-of-the-day-new-nominate-your-candidates-for-our-top-ten-mccann-rogues

He is one of a group of ex-police officers, self-styled 'criminologists', psychologists and the like who are regarded as 'a safe pair of hands', i.e. can be relied on to push whatever the current message is.

To name some of the others: Jim Gamble, Dr Joe Sullivan and Mark Williams-Thomas.

I expect we will hear more from them in the coming weeks...

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Post by Mirage on 13.03.17 11:11

Gonçalo Amaral:April 2016:

"I have no doubts whatsoever, what was done by Scotland Yard is practically at an end. What they wanted to do was basically to, and I had said this before, was to in a certain way to give credence to the couple and remove all suspicions that existed concerning the couple. They did a reconstitution here in Portugal, not with the couple but with actors; constituted a series of arguidos that have nothing to do with the case, just for the sake of constituting arguidos; they followed a number of false leads. Now they have reached an end, after having spent a lot of money, maybe there isn't any more money to spend, perhaps the British public fund may not support such expenditure. And it will be archived, I can't see the Judiciary Police resuming the investigation when Scotland Yard ends theirs. In the end, the process was re-opened almost only and by the Scotland Yard, and when they leave the process will be archived just like before."
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Post by Doug D on 13.03.17 11:30

From Jeanmonroe’s post above:
 
By Louise Randell, Senior Showbiz Reporter
   
Looks about right.

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Post by ChippyM on 13.03.17 11:36

@Roxyroo wrote:Wow, just wow. AT LAST! Taxpayers being angry is mentioned! Now we're getting somewhere, don't know where but its one plus to us.

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I don't believe that's a victory. If people are sick of money being wasted on a case that is seemingly going no-where, it fits in with sweeping the whole thing under the carpet.

  If the UK's best police force have spent millions of hard earned tax payers money and got no-where, this will lead to people being more accepting of Operation Grange closing after having found nothing. The narrative will be that they tried everything, even with all that money and they couldn't solve it....IMO.

 It's similar to all those child abuse inquiries where they appointed people who resigned or were unsuitable to lead the inquiry...it's a farce people said, they were sick of it and didn't want to here any more about it!

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Post by jeanmonroe on 13.03.17 11:38

"And it will be archived, I can't see the Judiciary Police resuming the investigation when Scotland Yard ends theirs. In the end, the process was re-opened almost only and by the Scotland Yard, and when they leave the process will be archived just like before."
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LOVELY!

All those PJ 'second investigation' (and the MET Police 'co-operation' or 'not') files 'released' into the public domain!

I can't wait!

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Post by Doug D on 13.03.17 11:41

'MCCANNS GOT SPECIAL TREATMENT'
 
MATTHEW Wright claims that parents of missing children have been “short-changed” by the Government after they ploughed millions of pounds in to looking for Madeline McCann… and only £2,500 on other missing children.
 
Speaking on today’s The Wright Stuff, the 51-year-old discussed the new £85,000 cash injection given to Kate and Gerry McCann to track down a ‘person of interest’ loitering near the Portuguese holiday resort the night their daughter went missing.
 
He explained: “The money has got to be interesting to the wider public.
“This follows the £10m fund that David Cameron ordered was ‘ring fenced’ specifically to help find her.
“£10m got nowhere over the past two years – £85k in comparison does sound like a last roll of the dice.
 
“It doesn’t sound like it well get much further than this final investigation.
 
Police want to quiz an ex-employee of the holiday resort where Maddie McCann disappeared in 2007
“It is an extraordinary case and extraordinary amount of money – it’s heartbreaking for all concerned.”
Maddy is believed to have been snatched aged 3 from her parents’ holiday apartment while they had a dinner with friends on the other side of the resort.
 
She was left sleeping alone with her toddler twin siblings, who survived the mysterious incident unharmed.
Matthew then presented some key facts that made the huge sums spent looking for the missing child look even more extreme.
He said: “Three hundred children go missing and are not found again in the UK every year, and on average the police expenditure on each child that isn’t found is £2,500.
“Other missing kid’s parents have been short changed by us, the Government, the police.
 
Kate and Gerry McCann are desperately trying to keep the search for Madeleine alive
“The search continues and more threats of writs from the McCann parents…
“I think there was even some talk about them taking action again Karen Matthews.
“That seems to me like the last thing people should focus on when their child is missing.”
Matthew’s comments come hours after Good Morning Britain fans slammed the doctor duo for taking £1.1m of taxpayer’s money to look for their missing daughter.
 
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3076082/matthew-wright-claims-parents-of-missing-children-have-been-short-changed-compared-to-kate-and-gerry-mccann/

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