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IS THERE A GOVERNMENT COVER-UP? And if so, why?

1. I don't believe there's any cover-up at all. It's just the government trying to do its best to help a family
 
2. It was just a giant money-making scam
 
3. Because of the connections of Gerry McCann the McCanns' main solicitor Edward Smethurst to the nuclear power industry
 
4. They were all on a 'swinging holiday' and none of the swingers wants to be identified (The 'Textusa' theory)
 
5. A connection to bio-engineering research e.g. IVF treatment, cloning, stem cell/genetics/DNA/human genome research
 
6. The McCanns have information about, or connections to, some high-level, elite paedophile ring
 
7.The McCanns and their Tapas 7 friends were trying out a new sedative product for the pharmaceutical industry, which failed
 
8. The McCanns and others were discussing some secret new project, maybe involving the microchipping agenda
 
9. Madeleine died as the result of an occult ritual, as it was both the Festival of Beltane and May 2007 was a blue month
 
10. Some other reason for the cover-up [Please give your opinion on the thread]
 
 
 
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Post by suzyjohnson on 28.02.17 23:47

@sandancer wrote:Sadly many are still unaware that the files are available online for everyone to read .

Many still continue to focus on the Neglect angle .

This CANNOT be allowed to go away !

For Madeleine's sake and for her brother and sister .

Because most people are only vaguely interested in the case. Even if they knew the translated files were available online, people wouldn't read them. I don't think it's that people don't care they just have busy lives and other concerns.

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Post by Verdi on 28.02.17 23:57

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@Verdi wrote:
A guide to British nationals abroad - issued by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office

What kind of help we can provide

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We cannot:


> Ensure your safety and security in another country because this is the responsibility of the government and authorities of that country.

> Give you legal advice or translate formal documents because such support is best provided by independent professionals and we do not have the funding or the expertise to provide such specialist services.
 
> Carry out searches for missing people because doing so is the responsibility of the local authorities and to search effectively requires resources that only local authorities can provide.

 
> Investigate crimes, get you out of prison, prevent the local authorities from deporting you after your prison sentence, or interfere in criminal or civil court proceedings because we cannot interfere in another country’s processes and must respect their systems, just as we expect them to respect the UK’s laws and legal processes.
 
> Get you better treatment in prison than local prisoners (although we may raise concerns with local authorities if treatment falls below internationally recognised standards) or get you better treatment in hospital than the treatment that is given to local people because we cannot interfere in another country’s processes just as we would not accept such interference in the UK.
 

No, initially they cannot help with the above. But in both the McCann case and the Needham case, police assistance and private detectives played a role later on, after the case was archived in the case of Portugal, and several years later in the case of Greece.
The extract I provided is from a Foreign and Commonwealth Office document, I thought I made that clear.  It's got nothing to do with the police or private detectives.

The British Ambassador to Portugal arrived at the crime scene within hours of Madeleine McCann's disappearance - this is not normal.  Ambassadors DO NOT get involved with such affairs, it just doesn't happen.  I posted this information to also confirm the function of a Consulate - as can be seen they ARE NOT authorized to interfere with a host country's constitution.

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Post by suzyjohnson on 01.03.17 0:01

@Verdi wrote:,
@suzyjohnson wrote:Having reviewed the MM case, Scotland Yard, with all their experience, probably had a very good idea what the cost of an investigation was going to be.
 
The PJ files were already on the internet, Amaral's book was already published and there was already considerable interest in the case before Scotland Yard took any of this on. If they have been swayed at all in their objective by events, it won't have been any of the above.
That is not how Operation Grange proceeded.  The global cost to the UK public purse included the intital review by Operation Grange - Operation Grange did not make the decision to move on to an investigation, it was the governments decision.  Clearly they had no idea how much the review/investigation would cost.  They, Operation Grange, were granted a specific initial sum which has been supplemented by additional grants in subsequent years.  Dribs and drabs so to speak.  Had Operation Grange, or even the government, any inclination of estimated costs, they would have budgeted accordingly - not made a decision based on nothing from one year to the next.

It's impossible to anticipate the overall cost of a criminal investigation for the simple reason there is no way of knowing what resources will be required nor how long an investigation will take.  It is progressive - could be solved tomorrow or in ten years. 

Operation Grange is a facade, a pretence - time will tell.

And you don't think the Met would have discussed the situation with the government before they began an investigation? Both sides must have had some idea of the cost before it started, how many police officers to commit for example.

I know they have exceeded their initial budget, most projects seem to. And it is difficult to predict how long an investigation will take, but with all the experience they have, well, they must have had an idea.

How many witnesses needed reinterviewing? What would be the cost of a Crimewatch reconstruction? The cost of accommodation in Portugal? I'm sure they could have estimated these things.

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Post by Verdi on 01.03.17 0:03

@sandancer wrote:Sadly many are still unaware that the files are available online for everyone to read .

Many still continue to focus on the Neglect angle .

This CANNOT be allowed to go away !

For Madeleine's sake and for her brother and sister .
Thanks to CMoMM, Richard D. Hall, Goncalo Amaral's tenacity, YouTube etc. the message is fast reaching the populace.

I agree that the neglect angle is still very much the focus, even for some on this forum, Katie Hopkins, Jodie Marsh etc - they don't help the situation.  Trouble is, they are stuck in the groove - I don't think any amount of reasoning will ever change that.

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Post by suzyjohnson on 01.03.17 0:14

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The British Ambassador to Portugal arrived at the crime scene within hours of Madeleine McCann's disappearance - this is not normal.  Ambassadors DO NOT get involved with such affairs, it just doesn't happen.  

I don't really know anything about this. However, the McCann's situation with a missing three year old child in Portugal was so unusual, that there isn't really another case to compare this response to.

The nearest would be Ben Needham's case, but that was in 1991, 16 years earlier, things change over time. Obviously there was no internet in 1991, news travels so much quicker these days. 

Can you think of any other more recent cases where a young child has gone missing in Europe or anywhere? I can't.

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Post by Verdi on 01.03.17 0:21

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@Verdi wrote:
And you don't think the Met would have discussed the situation with the government before they began an investigation? Both sides must have had some idea of the cost before it started, how many police officers to commit for example.
Yes, I'm sure they did. 

How much does it cost to review and later maybe investigate the case of a missing child that has already been investigated by the Portuguese police, the country where the child disappeared?   Hmmm...

Well, we can start around the same time that Kate McCann's book is published, that should add some impetus.  We'll need to arrange for the PJ files and that Amaral blokes book to be translated.  Can't trust them trolls on the internet, they've got an agenda. What d'yer reckon - 100,000k?  That should cover it.

Now, how much does it usually cost to investigate the abduction of a child in the UK - that's the remit.  Err hmmm err hmmm you know err well hmmm eeee, now let's see...  give us about 6,000 to kick off and we'll take it from there.  Maybe you can review it in about a years time Mrs Home Secretary - no, come to think of it - don't think it will be a years anniversary event - sooner than that if you can.

Fifteen million later and still rising.

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Post by Verdi on 01.03.17 0:28

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@Verdi wrote:


The British Ambassador to Portugal arrived at the crime scene within hours of Madeleine McCann's disappearance - this is not normal.  Ambassadors DO NOT get involved with such affairs, it just doesn't happen.  

I don't really know anything about this. However, the McCann's situation with a missing three year old child in Portugal was so unusual, that there isn't really another case to compare this response to.

The nearest would be Ben Needham's case, but that was in 1991, 16 years earlier, things change over time. Obviously there was no internet in 1991, news travels so much quicker these days. 

Can you think of any other more recent cases where a young child has gone missing in Europe or anywhere? I can't.
You don't need to know anything about it.  I provided the FCO's document that explains UK government policies. 

I also included the title - 'A Guide to British Nationals Abroad'.  Your question is there answered.

Moving on..  or off in my case.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 03.03.17 8:00

@Carrry On Doctor wrote:Voted 4, but I differ from TextUSAs' accident/death on the 3rd theory. There would appear to be a far stronger argument that something happening to MBM much earlier in the holiday.

I don't believe that paedophiles would go en masse to a foreign holiday resort (with bookings, passports, and credit cards leaving a very clear trail) for the purpose of abusing children...
@ Carrry On Doctor  Whilst that is true, several accounts have appeared from time to time of ex-pat British paedophiles abusing children in the Algarve, Portugal. One of these came from the sex-and witchcraft-obsessed consultant on sex offenders, Ray Wyre (a man whose name appears on the Elm House Guest List) - in this article published on 7 May 2007 - just four days after Madeleine was reported missing. The McCanns spent a day with Ray Wyre and his wife in early 2008:

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Mr Wyre has worked closely with the notorious serial sex killer Robert Black, who murdered at least three girls by snatching them into his van. He is suspected of killing a dozen children around Britain.

The expert said that paedophiles were attracted by perfect-looking children like blonde Madeleine. If sex was the motive, she may have been chosen for her appearance. Children abducted by paedophiles have often been killed a few hours later or, at most, within the day. A child stolen for sex is often dead before anyone even reports they have gone.

Portugal is known to attract British paedophiles. A ring of 20 Britons set up there around 1990, filming sex acts with local boys and sending the tapes to Belgium and the Netherlands. Some were later jailed in England. The case helped to persuade the British Government to make it illegal for Britons to have sex with underage children abroad.

Mr Wyre went to Lisbon and became involved in the aftermath of that investigation. “There were still lots of connections and other things going on,” he said. “There have always been British paedophiles operating in Portugal.”

Source: Nothing can stop a determined abductor, but there is a chance the child is still alive Timesonline

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Post by poppydog2 on 04.03.17 13:48

I just rejoined last week as my old email address is inactive and I couldn't get a password reminder. So I've gone from username poppydog to poppydog2.

I voted connections to high ranking pedophile ring. I do believe Madeleine is dead and that she died due to an accident after being given some sort of sedatives. However, the cover up is being supported, in my opinion, because the McCann's have connections to Gordon Brown, who I have heard some heinous things about over the years, from those who worked closely with him. I also heard that Gordon Brown's wife is a beard for him. Who knows? Either way, there is no precedent for the amount of high level support for a missing child's family, and certainly not a family who were so utterly and totally negligent. I awoke on my 40th Birthday ten years ago on May 4th to the news the wee girl was missing. My heart felt sympathies went out to the family for about three hours, until I heard those three children, all under four years of age, were left alone night after night. Immediately I knew this stank to high heaven. Nothing has changed.
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Post by Jill Havern on 04.03.17 14:23

@poppydog2 wrote:I just rejoined last week as my old email address is inactive and I couldn't get a password reminder. So I've gone from username poppydog to poppydog2.

I voted connections to high ranking pedophile ring. I do believe Madeleine is dead and that she died due to an accident after being given some sort of sedatives. However, the cover up is being supported, in my opinion, because the McCann's have connections to Gordon Brown, who I have heard some heinous things about over the years, from those who worked closely with him. I also heard that Gordon Brown's wife is a beard for him. Who knows? Either way, there is no precedent for the amount of high level support for a missing child's family, and certainly not a family who were so utterly and totally negligent. I awoke on my 40th Birthday ten years ago on May 4th to the news the wee girl was missing. My heart felt sympathies went out to the family for about three hours, until I heard those three children, all under four years of age, were left alone night after night. Immediately I knew this stank to high heaven. Nothing has changed.

Yep, same here!

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Post by Phoebe on 04.03.17 15:50

I often wonder if the whole Madeleine saga is a game of two halves. In 2007 the Labour Gov. were taking a bashing, losing badly to the S.N.P. in Scotland and to the Tories and Greens etc. elsewhere in the local elections. Knowing how media savvy Blair was, I believe he was all too eager to exploit the opportunity of positive press headlines by being seen as caring, jumping in to "support our Brits abroad" in the case of these respectable family people, mostly government employees (N.H.S) who were suffering the "abduction" of a sweetly photogenic, 3 year old girl. Initially, there were no suspicions reaching the media, (courtesy of the very astute McCann machine) that this was anything other than what it claimed to be. Public sympathy for the McCanns was at its height. Once Clarence hitched his wagon to the McCann version of events, firstly at Blair's behest, latterly, off his own bat, he was never going to be on anything other than the winning side. The McCanns also had contacts which they used exceptionally well to get celebrities, sports stars, politicians etc. on board. When the first doubts surfaced, the press, including the red-tops, seemed free to accuse the parents. The government went quiet, and the Mccanns fled back to the U.K. Then things changed. Half a million to keep the McCanns on the front pages for a year meant the story never took a back seat. The government were caught on the horns of a dilemma. Clarence was still too close to them and was mouthing off at every turn. To withdraw support at this stage would have left egg on too many high-ranking faces. The McCanns were keeping the story international with the Maddie road show and an about turn became impossible. The powers that be must have sighed in relief when they began successfully suing all round them.Operation Grange, I often think was set up with the brief to whitewash everything in sight and having committed to it, how do they wind it down. What will the public accept? The Tories are caught as they never expressed a contrary view and when the chips were down continued with Operation Grange. In the second half of this game the ploy seems to be to stifle dissent by using the compliant media (especially after Levenson) to push one version of the story and discredit  everyone who disagrees.

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Post by Guest on 04.03.17 21:27

I voted no cover up and I regret that now. I have no idea why there has been a cover up but having spent quite a bit of time looking into the ongoing Scotland Yard investigation into this case, I now realize that they have systematically worked their way through every potential soft-target social deviant on the planet -  whilst stubbornly refusing to even entertain the possibility that it could be the parents.  What's more all the evidence points that way so the only rational explanation is that there has to be a cover up as no cock-up could be this collosal. Not sure why yet.



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Post by Captain_Pugwash on 01.04.17 7:30

I do not know the reasons for it but the McCanns have been raised high by the BBC, they have been granted millions to pursue their abduction assertion using the supposedly best police force in the world, a head of state has intervened on their behalf, another head of state has given them an audience and a shed of more money. Something somewhere must be so secret that all these lies are believable and acted upon. This somehow reminds me that the British people are being treated like the Americans, IE "Pretty Dumb". Ball is on the other foot now.
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Post by Verdi on 01.04.17 12:29

Madeleine : Why The Cover Up?


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Following on from his previous films about the Madeleine McCann mystery, Richard D. Hall attempts to tackle the most difficult questions of all. Assuming Madeleine died, which Richard firmly believes is the case, how did she die? and why was the death covered up with the help of British government agencies?

This DVD box set consists of two 90 minute films. The first film examines the movements of the initial suspect in the case, Robert Murat, both immediately before and after Madeleine was reported missing and attempts to shed light on whether he played a role in the cover up of Madeleine’s alleged death.

The second film looks at the various ways Madeleine McCann may have died and discusses a range of possible reasons why a cover up was ordered from the highest levels. The films take the viewer as far as is feasibly possible, using the available evidence, towards providing an explanation for the Madeleine McCann cover up.


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Post by Rob Royston on 01.04.17 22:29

If we believe that there was an ongoing conspiracy that week that was to have climaxed in a faked abduction, then a cloak of secrecy was already in place before the accident.

After the accident by following through with the abduction scene, albeit with many clangers, the accident was pulled under this secrecy cloak by those on the ground at PDL. If the UK government were involved in the conspiracy they were trapped.

When the UK heavy team arrived early the next morning they may still have been genuinely acting out the fake abduction follow-up with mass publicity.

The GNR and the PJ quickly realised that the abduction claims did not stack up, as did some of the UK police liason officers. Only after the dogs had done their work would most of the UK agencies start to realise that they had been duped by the perpetrators.

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Post by Verdi on 02.04.17 0:01

@Rob Royston wrote:If we believe that there was an ongoing conspiracy that week that was to have climaxed in a faked abduction, then a cloak of secrecy was already in place before the accident.

After the accident by following through with the abduction scene, albeit with many clangers, the accident was pulled under this secrecy cloak by those on the ground at PDL. If the UK government were involved in the conspiracy they were trapped.

When the UK heavy team arrived early the next morning they may still have been genuinely acting out the fake abduction follow-up with mass publicity.

The GNR and the PJ quickly realised that the abduction claims did not stack up, as did some of the UK police liason officers. Only after the dogs had done their work would most of the UK agencies start to realise that they had been duped by the perpetrators.
I'm struggling to understand your drift Rob Royston.  If I understand you correctly, why would there have been 'a cloak of secrecy in place before the accident' (assuming you're referring to Madeleine's fate)?

Who was the UK heavy team that arrived early the next morning?

Apart from that, as I understand it an initiative was launched in the UK within hours of Madeleine's reported disappearance, through the auspices of government officials, police and media representatives - this is just not normal.  Within hours/days officials were flying out to Portugal to aid a couple of insignificant middle englanders, who carelessly mislaid one of their children - a child that could have been found at any moment, indeed before the GNR/PJ even found their feet, so to speak.

For a British ambassador to be commissioned to personally attend to the alleged victims of such an occurence is frankly unheard of - it just doesn't happen.  Even the nearest Consul aren't required to drop everything and rush hot foot to assist a British citizen in circumstances such as this - it just doesn't happen.  They went far beyond the call of duty so you have to ask why.

There were no known extenuating circumstances to explain the onslaught of UK officialdom from Friday 4th May 2007.  I venture to suggest they weren't hoodwinked into believing the McCannn story - they were instrumental in it's creation !!!

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Post by Rob Royston on 02.04.17 7:28

@Verdi wrote:
@Rob Royston wrote:If we believe that there was an ongoing conspiracy that week that was to have climaxed in a faked abduction, then a cloak of secrecy was already in place before the accident.

After the accident by following through with the abduction scene, albeit with many clangers, the accident was pulled under this secrecy cloak by those on the ground at PDL. If the UK government were involved in the conspiracy they were trapped.

When the UK heavy team arrived early the next morning they may still have been genuinely acting out the fake abduction follow-up with mass publicity.

The GNR and the PJ quickly realised that the abduction claims did not stack up, as did some of the UK police liason officers. Only after the dogs had done their work would most of the UK agencies start to realise that they had been duped by the perpetrators.
I'm struggling to understand your drift Rob Royston.  If I understand you correctly, why would there have been 'a cloak of secrecy in place before the accident' (assuming you're referring to Madeleine's fate)?

Who was the UK heavy team that arrived early the next morning?

Apart from that, as I understand it an initiative was launched in the UK within hours of Madeleine's reported disappearance, through the auspices of government officials, police and media representatives - this is just not normal.  Within hours/days officials were flying out to Portugal to aid a couple of insignificant middle englanders, who carelessly mislaid one of their children - a child that could have been found at any moment, indeed before the GNR/PJ even found their feet, so to speak.

For a British ambassador to be commissioned to personally attend to the alleged victims of such an occurence is frankly unheard of - it just doesn't happen.  Even the nearest Consul aren't required to drop everything and rush hot foot to assist a British citizen in circumstances such as this - it just doesn't happen.  They went far beyond the call of duty so you have to ask why.

There were no known extenuating circumstances to explain the onslaught of UK officialdom from Friday 4th May 2007.  I venture to suggest they weren't hoodwinked into believing the McCannn story - they were instrumental in it's creation !!!
The title of the thread asks if there was a Government cover-up and if so, why?

My opening paragraph suggests that, if there were Government quangos and other agencies engaged in a conspiracy that involved a set up false abduction where a child was to be "abducted" and then found after a period of frenzied media onslaught, then there had to have been a great deal of secrecy in place already.

I'm suggesting that the UK heavy team, the media and the government reps, arrived quickly to begin this onslaught because the "abduction" had been planned to happen already. When those on the ground at PDL had continued with the abduction "scene" after the accident / death, they brought the death under the protective cloak of Government secrecy. 

For the Government to open up the investigation, they would need to expose their own agencies underhanded activities. Preventing that was far more important to them than justice for Madeleine.

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Post by Phoebe on 02.04.17 9:50

If Madeleiene had died and government authorities were involved in planning a way for body to disappear to avoid autopsy and investigation re. the circumstances, I cannot believe they would have picked the "abduction" method. Far easier to arrange a beach trip resulting in a tragic accident and the body lost at sea and not found. Organize dripping wet, distraught parents who had gone in to try to save her and plant independent "witnesses" to back up the story and job done. No surprise when the body is not found, no expense of British police (other than perhaps a diving team having to go over to help) lots of sympathy for the parents rather than accusations of deliberate neglect and no 12 million spent since on Grange. To me, everything that has occurred speaks of cover-up AFTER the McCanns, of their own initiative, cried "abduction".

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Post by Rob Royston on 02.04.17 10:49

@Phoebe wrote:To me, everything that has occurred speaks of cover-up AFTER the McCanns, of their own initiative, cried "abduction".
I agree that the "abduction" could have been at the McCann Team's own initiative and there is definitely a Government cover-up, but you have not addressed the second question, "Why is there a Government Cover-Up"?

That's what makes me think that they were all already involved in something underhand with a faked abduction planned. By completing the "abduction" scene Team McCann pulled the Government agencies in with them.

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Post by Phoebe on 02.04.17 11:28

I've said elsewhere that I believe the government became involved because of the McC's impressively clever use of the media and a network of influential friends and politicians. The fact that; the dogs were permitted to be sent from England; that their findings were damning for the McCs and that this was, at first, widely and luridly allowed to be reported in the media; that Lee Rainbow, Mark Harrison and Martin Grime, were initially permitted to agree with the P.J. that the parents had questions to answer; all makes me feel that, in the early stages, the British authorities believed the parents and wanted to show internationally, their caring, supportive side to Brits abroad in trouble. When they discovered they had been hoodwinked they couldn't backtrack without looking foolish and favours were called in. Official support for the McCs then continued and grew to the extent that Brown pushed to have G.A. taken off the case. This is what I  gleaned from G.A's writings on the affair.

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Post by Jill Havern on 02.04.17 13:39

I remember when John McCann said that favours were being called in.
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Post by Rob Royston on 02.04.17 16:39

It had to be more than just favours to get this level of support,

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/mccann-case-freedom-of-information-act.html

Everyone turned up too quickly for there not to have been some pre-planning for an "abduction".

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Post by Phoebe on 02.04.17 17:27

Again, why choose an abduction to cover up what happened? There are much easier, credible ways to have "disappeared" Madeleine without so much fuss and attention. J.M also points out on her blog that "It was Tony Blair and Gordon Brown who were behind the instructions given to U.K ambassador John Buck and to British consul Bill Henderson to make sure Gerry and Kate McCann were given all possible assistance". That makes sense to me. Both had very publicly hitched their wagons to the McCanns and both were too arrogant and politically paranoid about image to allow themselves to be proven poor judges of character and circumstance. It would also have been embarrassing to have several government employees in the health service shown up in the international media glare as liars. The diplomatic service alerted its early concerns re the veracity of the Tapas 9. That dispatch would never have happened if the dip. service had been primed in advance. In my opinion that is.

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Post by Rob Royston on 02.04.17 21:27

@Phoebe wrote:Again, why choose an abduction to cover up what happened? There are much easier, credible ways to have "disappeared" Madeleine without so much fuss and attention. J.M also points out on her blog that "It was Tony Blair and Gordon Brown who were behind the instructions given to U.K ambassador John Buck and to British consul Bill Henderson to make sure Gerry and Kate McCann were given all possible assistance". That makes sense to me. Both had very publicly hitched their wagons to the McCanns and both were too arrogant and politically paranoid about image to allow themselves to be proven poor judges of character and circumstance. It would also have been embarrassing to have several government employees in the health service shown up in the international media glare as liars. The diplomatic service alerted its early concerns re the veracity of the Tapas 9. That dispatch would never have happened if the dip. service had been primed in advance. In my opinion that is.
The "abduction" was not a cover-up, it was planned to happen. The fact that it was played out despite the death of the "abductee" would convince those not in on the "disaster" that it was the genuine "false abduction".
The Team McCann "abduction" had so many errors in its performance that the police and the diplomats suspected the involvement of the parents in the disappearance at an early stage. If they had completed all their actions as planned, and as some of their relatives reported, then the abduction story might have held up.
There was no reason why the diplomats and the consul would need to be primed in advance. They were sent in to support the parents. That alone would have made them curious as to why they were there. Once they begun hearing the contradictory stories from the parents and their friends they obviously realised something was not right and asked London if they really should continue with their support.

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Post by Phoebe on 02.04.17 21:39

Roy R. I'm having trouble following your thinking. Are you suggesting that Madeleine's parents planned to fake her abduction on that holiday for some reason, but she died, and they decided to abduct her corpse anyway? Why on earth would they plan a genuine "false abduction" as you call it?

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