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Post by Verdi on 21.02.17 20:42

Shock Horror!  The decision reached by the Supreme Court in Lisbon, totally rejected the McCanns application to overturn the previous decision of the Lisbon Court, in favour of Mr Goncalo Amaral.

Now it appears the McCanns defence network are subtly attempting to suggest that the Supreme Courts decision is the reason behind the recently publicized reports that they are not cleared so let's put the record straight.

Lest they forget..

Archiving of the Madeleine McCann process - 21st July 2008    [snipped]


'We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.'

Read it, re-read it, turn it upside down and inside out - it changes nothing.  The wording is clear with no room for manouevre or misinterpretation.  This information has been in the public domain since the summer of 2008 - 8.7 years.  It has been read by thousands, if not millions, the only people I'm aware of that pretend otherwise are the McCanns support network.

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Post by Yvie Han on 21.02.17 20:59

Sorry I don't know where to post this.... 

I just watched a youtube of K&G interview a  portuguese interviewer. 

I was shocked as K was running through what happened the night she went to check. 

At no time did she mention checking the twins when the door slammed, the window was open blah blah blah !

As a trained medical professional as K was, and I having been trained in emergency procedure, I was astonished that NOWHERE did she mention checking the twins. 

Response instinct when you are trained kicks in 

Check surroundings for danger, so the light would have been put on. 

At no point does she say she checked the twins, she checked round the apartment, then went back into the bedroom, then ran out to the Tapas!

So what if the twins were lying there in a pool of blood, stabbed, or suffocated, dead? 

Why did she not check their vitals etc? 

Maybe the story changed along the way, but I am finding it difficult to comprehend a mother or indeed anyone NOT checking those twins.

Then to be fair if you are going to bolt I would have had one under each arm, it's amazing the strength you find when that adrenalin kicks in.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.02.17 21:08

Yvie Han wrote:Sorry I don't know where to post this.... 

I just watched a youtube of K&G interview a  portuguese interviewer. 

I was shocked as K was running through what happened the night she went to check. 

At no time did she mention checking the twins when the door slammed, the window was open blah blah blah !

As a trained medical professional as K was, and I having been trained in emergency procedure, I was astonished that NOWHERE did she mention checking the twins. 

Response instinct when you are trained kicks in 

Check surroundings for danger, so the light would have been put on. 

At no point does she say she checked the twins, she checked round the apartment, then went back into the bedroom, then ran out to the Tapas!

So what if the twins were lying there in a pool of blood, stabbed, or suffocated, dead? 

Why did she not check their vitals etc? 

Maybe the story changed along the way, but I am finding it difficult to comprehend a mother or indeed anyone NOT checking those twins.


Then to be fair if you are going to bolt I would have had one under each arm, it's amazing the strength you find when that adrenalin kicks in.
All becomes much clearer if you consider the possibility that the twins were never in that room that night - and more generally that the entire story you've just posted above may be a wholesale fabrication

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Post by Verdi on 21.02.17 21:16

Mark Williams-Thomas' belief is based on the claim made by the McCanns about the crying incident/s and the claim made by the McCanns and the unlocked patio door, that he refers to as insecure.  These are his words more or less..

....what we do know on that morning of Madeleine's disappearance she.... so....  that call they made on 3rd May.... we do know on that morning Madeleine went to Gerry and Kate and said where were you last night because we know that Sean and Amelie did wake up on days prior to her disappearance and I think as a result of that Madeleine was clearly aware that Gerry and Kate were at the Tapas bar which was in the resort.  Now the interesting element in that is that in order to get to the Tapas bar you actually had to come out of the premises, walk on a public road to go back in again and that raises a concern that I have - Madeleine I believe, woke up in the middle of the night, she went looking for Gerry and Kate and she left the apartment and came out and what we do know is the patio door at the back wa insecure.  It was very warm, I was there in a matter of days and it was really warm, there was no air conditioning in that apartment and that door was insecure.....

The royal we again!  I don't know anything of the kind, I only know that was claimed by the McCanns and there has been no independent verification of their claim.

Serious as it is, I couldn't help but laugh at " I think as a result of that Madeleine was clearly aware that Gerry and Kate were at the Tapas bar which was in the resort".

She was three years old for crying out loud.  Waking up terrified because she and her siblings are alone in the dark in a strange place and she is clearly aware that her mother and father are down the Tapas because the twins had been crying on previous nights???  What sort of gibberish is that for an investigative journalist come police officer come whatever else?

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Post by Verdi on 21.02.17 21:21

Another one for the record - lest they've forgotten..

Archiving of the Madeleine McCann process - 21st July 2008       [snipped]

As a remote hypothesis, the possibility of the minor leaving the apartment by her own means was explored – that would be highly unlikely physically – and after, because of an accident or by a third person intervention, she would have disappeared.

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Post by MayMuse on 21.02.17 21:52

Tracey Kandhola and her team were quick off the mark to "publish" regarding This Morning and MWT, therefore I suggest that they well and truly knew wayyyy beforehand that he would be on TV airing his thoughts. 

@Verdi,Thanks for the reminder of the Archiving,  absolutely Madeleine could not have known they were at the Tapas, such shocking commentary!

Why do I feel that this " interview with MWT" is some kind of "set up"?

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Post by Guest on 21.02.17 22:21

I thought it was interesting that MWT developed a Maddie goes looking  for parents theory and then abruptly ends by saying 'For legal reasons we have to end it there.' There would be no legal objection to him developing this into an opportunistic alfresco  abduction story but he stops short,  leaving the door open for a staged abduction perhaps?
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Post by loopzdaloop on 21.02.17 22:29

MrsC wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:

The basis for the Express's article is that we are seriously expected to believe Mark Williams-Thomas's claim that Madeleine could have opened an unsecured patio door, wandered out of G5A, down some steps and out on to the road, looking for her Mum & Dad at the Tapas restaurant.


Didn't the dogs alert to cadaver in a flower bed at the bottom of the steps?

Maybe she was found there and carried back to the apartment, where cadaver was also alerted to?

I imagine they rested the blue tennis bag with the body in there before they put it in the car.

The same baffled headline has made it into the sun. That 5 minutes sure ruffled some feathers.
I'm convinced this morning were threatened just before going on air now. 


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2921628/kate-and-gerry-mccann-hit-out-at-itvs-this-morning-for-broadcasting-ex-cops-theories-on-what-happened-to-maddie/

'THIS IS PURE SPECULATION' 
[size=36]Kate and Gerry McCann hit out at ITV’s This Morning for broadcasting ex-cop’s theories on what happened to Maddie[/size]

Maddie's parents are baffled by the TV show using Mark Williams-Thomas to voice his 'astonishing new theory' about her disappearance

EXCLUSIVE
BY TRACEY KANDOHLA
 
21st February 2017, 8:41 pm




THE parents of Madeleine McCann are “baffled” by a TV show hiring an ex-cop to tell the nation what he thinks happened to their daughter.
Kate and Gerry McCann hit out at ITV’s This Morning for using Mark Williams-Thomas, now an investigative journalist, to voice his “astonishing new theory” about Maddie’s disappearance, a close pal said today.

[size=16]The couple have always insisted their three-year-old daughter was snatched from a Portuguese holiday flat while they were dining in a nearby tapas bar, either by a sex fiend or during a botched burglary.
But TV detective Mr Williams-Thomas, believes the unsettled youngster walked out of the unlocked apartment searching for her parents in the poolside restaurant.
The McCann’s spokesman Clarence Mitchel said today: “This is pure speculation and as such Kate and Gerry will not be dignifying it with any sort comment whatsoever.”
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A source close to the pair said: “It’s baffling a television programme had him on as an authority on the Madeleine case.

"He’s re-invented himself as a criminologist but when did he become an expert on this high profile case? "Never!”
The friend added: “He said he had received a statement from the McCanns saying they were pleased there was an on-going investigation which they hoped would unearth some news but they haven’t been in contact with him, neither has their spokesperson.
“It seems he was re-hashing a years-old statement that was circulated to all the media.”
Mr Williams-Thomas revealed his theory about that fateful night in Praia da Luz in May 2007 when he appeared on the show as part of a new series on unsolved crimes.
Speaking to hosts Phillip Schofield and Holly Willoughby he echoed previously reported lines about Maddie’s asking her mum and dad “Where were you last night?” and her twin siblings waking up on previous nights.
He then stated: “The concern I have, I believe she woke up and went looking for them, she left the apartment and came out, we already know the patio door was insecure.”
The McCann source said: “With no disrespect to this investigative reporter he is forever trying to latch himself onto the Maddie case.
"He’s said this all before and he once stood outside Apartment 5a reporting his same old belief.
“Allowing him on This Morning to air his views won’t help the show get in Kate and Gerry’s good books.
"But they’re not going to fall out with him over this.
"It’s all based on speculation and it’s a free country and they’ve got enough to be dealing with.”
Former GP Kate and heart doctor Gerry, 48, of Rothley, Leics, believe Maddie could still be alive and have never given up hope of finding her.
They face the heart-breaking 10th anniversary of her disappearance in 10 weeks.
She would now be aged 13.
Mr Williams-Thomas boasts he has “far-reaching experience of working at the centre of high profile investigations.”
The self-styled commentator boasts on his website how he has “over the last decade reported on the biggest crime stories.”

Can they claim 'exclusive' on any old thing now. 
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Post by Mirage on 21.02.17 22:36

Verdi wrote:Mark Williams-Thomas' belief is based on the claim made by the McCanns about the crying incident/s and the claim made by the McCanns and the unlocked patio door, that he refers to as insecure.  These are his words more or less..

....what we do know on that morning of Madeleine's disappearance she.... so....  that call they made on 3rd May.... we do know on that morning Madeleine went to Gerry and Kate and said where were you last night because we know that Sean and Amelie did wake up on days prior to her disappearance and I think as a result of that Madeleine was clearly aware that Gerry and Kate were at the Tapas bar which was in the resort.  Now the interesting element in that is that in order to get to the Tapas bar you actually had to come out of the premises, walk on a public road to go back in again and that raises a concern that I have - Madeleine I believe, woke up in the middle of the night, she went looking for Gerry and Kate and she left the apartment and came out and what we do know is the patio door at the back wa insecure.  It was very warm, I was there in a matter of days and it was really warm, there was no air conditioning in that apartment and that door was insecure.....

The royal we again!  I don't know anything of the kind, I only know that was claimed by the McCanns and there has been no independent verification of their claim.

Serious as it is, I couldn't help but laugh at " I think as a result of that Madeleine was clearly aware that Gerry and Kate were at the Tapas bar which was in the resort".

She was three years old for crying out loud.  Waking up terrified because she and her siblings are alone in the dark in a strange place and she is clearly aware that her mother and father are down the Tapas because the twins had been crying on previous nights???  What sort of gibberish is that for an investigative journalist come police officer come whatever else?
@ Verdi. Absolutely right. This jumped out at me too.

MWT's assumption that Madeleine somehow divined her parents were at the tapas bar is utter nonsense. Did she even know there was such a thing as a tapas bar? Was the likely parental response, "Sorry about that Madeleine. Mummy and  Daddy were out" .... "Out where?" ...." Well there's  this tapas bar 50 metres as the crow flies."

Or, (if we buy into the neglect story for the sake of argument) isn't  it much more likely the parents would have concealed their absence with a less scary scenario for a child ... such as having popped out on the veranda for a while or gone down to the bins with some rubbish. Especially if the plan was to be out again that night.

How anyone can go on national TV and come up with this village idiot rubbish simply defeats me. Who in the hell is going to pay anyone like that for "specialist knowledge"?

It seems to me that anyone involved in spinning these ridiculous theories has lost touch with reality. That other mindblowing pair, Summers and Swann, come to mind with the theory of the man with yards of unravelling bandages on his feet going into holiday apartments late at night. It's in the same ball park of incomprehensible drivel.

These people certainly have had their shame gland removed to broadcast this stuff with a straight face. I can only watch them through my fingers, they're  so cringeworthy.

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Post by Richard D. Hall on 21.02.17 22:43

The circus continues with the clown MWT performing to his carefully prepared script of pure fantasy.  Cadaver Mark?  Two mutually exclusive realms are now in existence in relation to the Madeleine case.  First, the un-real realm created for TV sets with programmes like this, Loose Women, Crimewatch, Panorama and all the others.  Second the realm of reason and evidence based research.  As the evidence has been unpicked more and more since the files were released by many dedicated researchers, the realm of reason has established beyond any doubt that Madeleine died, and most of the pieces of the puzzle are now firmly in place.   The case is near as damn it SOLVED.  But at the same time, the un-real realm has become more and more detached from reality as they try to sweep under the rug the most blatant obvious truth.  Can these two worlds continue to co-exist for much longer?  Are there any brave people who are living in both worlds and are prepared to open their mouth?  TV really is a laughing stock.  If any of the satirical TV shows were anything other than system serving dross, the amount of material they could use from this case is immense.

I seem to remember that the satirical mag "Viz", made comments about Barry George well before he was released.  They made jokes alluding to his innocence.
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Post by melisande on 21.02.17 22:57

loopzdaloop wrote:
MrsC wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:

The basis for the Express's article is that we are seriously expected to believe Mark Williams-Thomas's claim that Madeleine could have opened an unsecured patio door, wandered out of G5A, down some steps and out on to the road, looking for her Mum & Dad at the Tapas restaurant.


Didn't the dogs alert to cadaver in a flower bed at the bottom of the steps?

Maybe she was found there and carried back to the apartment, where cadaver was also alerted to?

I imagine they rested the blue tennis bag with the body in there before they put it in the car.

The same baffled headline has made it into the sun. That 5 minutes sure ruffled some feathers.
I'm convinced this morning were threatened just before going on air now. 


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2921628/kate-and-gerry-mccann-hit-out-at-itvs-this-morning-for-broadcasting-ex-cops-theories-on-what-happened-to-maddie/

'THIS IS PURE SPECULATION' 
[size=36]Kate and Gerry McCann hit out at ITV’s This Morning for broadcasting ex-cop’s theories on what happened to Maddie[/size]

Maddie's parents are baffled by the TV show using Mark Williams-Thomas to voice his 'astonishing new theory' about her disappearance

EXCLUSIVE
BY TRACEY KANDOHLA
 
21st February 2017, 8:41 pm




THE parents of Madeleine McCann are “baffled” by a TV show hiring an ex-cop to tell the nation what he thinks happened to their daughter.
Kate and Gerry McCann hit out at ITV’s This Morning for using Mark Williams-Thomas, now an investigative journalist, to voice his “astonishing new theory” about Maddie’s disappearance, a close pal said today.

[size=16]The couple have always insisted their three-year-old daughter was snatched from a Portuguese holiday flat while they were dining in a nearby tapas bar, either by a sex fiend or during a botched burglary.
But TV detective Mr Williams-Thomas, believes the unsettled youngster walked out of the unlocked apartment searching for her parents in the poolside restaurant.
The McCann’s spokesman Clarence Mitchel said today: “This is pure speculation and as such Kate and Gerry will not be dignifying it with any sort comment whatsoever.”
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A source close to the pair said: “It’s baffling a television programme had him on as an authority on the Madeleine case.

"He’s re-invented himself as a criminologist but when did he become an expert on this high profile case? "Never!”
The friend added: “He said he had received a statement from the McCanns saying they were pleased there was an on-going investigation which they hoped would unearth some news but they haven’t been in contact with him, neither has their spokesperson.
“It seems he was re-hashing a years-old statement that was circulated to all the media.”
Mr Williams-Thomas revealed his theory about that fateful night in Praia da Luz in May 2007 when he appeared on the show as part of a new series on unsolved crimes.
Speaking to hosts Phillip Schofield and Holly Willoughby he echoed previously reported lines about Maddie’s asking her mum and dad “Where were you last night?” and her twin siblings waking up on previous nights.
He then stated: “The concern I have, I believe she woke up and went looking for them, she left the apartment and came out, we already know the patio door was insecure.”
The McCann source said: “With no disrespect to this investigative reporter he is forever trying to latch himself onto the Maddie case.
"He’s said this all before and he once stood outside Apartment 5a reporting his same old belief.
“Allowing him on This Morning to air his views won’t help the show get in Kate and Gerry’s good books.
"But they’re not going to fall out with him over this.
"It’s all based on speculation and it’s a free country and they’ve got enough to be dealing with.”
Former GP Kate and heart doctor Gerry, 48, of Rothley, Leics, believe Maddie could still be alive and have never given up hope of finding her.
They face the heart-breaking 10th anniversary of her disappearance in 10 weeks.
She would now be aged 13.
Mr Williams-Thomas boasts he has “far-reaching experience of working at the centre of high profile investigations.”
The self-styled commentator boasts on his website how he has “over the last decade reported on the biggest crime stories.”

Can they claim 'exclusive' on any old thing now. 
“Allowing him on This Morning to air his views won’t help the show get in Kate and Gerry’s good books"


Now that's the Clarence we all know and love (not) . A little reminder that if you want us on your sofa you have to keep to our script. 

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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 21.02.17 23:02

Verdi wrote:Mark Williams-Thomas' belief is based on the claim made by the McCanns about the crying incident/s and the claim made by the McCanns and the unlocked patio door, that he refers to as insecure.  These are his words more or less..

....what we do know on that morning of Madeleine's disappearance she.... so....  that call they made on 3rd May.... we do know on that morning Madeleine went to Gerry and Kate and said where were you last night because we know that Sean and Amelie did wake up on days prior to her disappearance and I think as a result of that Madeleine was clearly aware that Gerry and Kate were at the Tapas bar which was in the resort.  Now the interesting element in that is that in order to get to the Tapas bar you actually had to come out of the premises, walk on a public road to go back in again and that raises a concern that I have - Madeleine I believe, woke up in the middle of the night, she went looking for Gerry and Kate and she left the apartment and came out and what we do know is the patio door at the back wa insecure.  It was very warm, I was there in a matter of days and it was really warm, there was no air conditioning in that apartment and that door was insecure.....

The royal we again!  I don't know anything of the kind, I only know that was claimed by the McCanns and there has been no independent verification of their claim.

Serious as it is, I couldn't help but laugh at " I think as a result of that Madeleine was clearly aware that Gerry and Kate were at the Tapas bar which was in the resort".

She was three years old for crying out loud.  Waking up terrified because she and her siblings are alone in the dark in a strange place and she is clearly aware that her mother and father are down the Tapas because the twins had been crying on previous nights???  What sort of gibberish is that for an investigative journalist come police officer come whatever else?
But it wasn't warm, Mark. Research has unequivocally shown that it wasn't warm on the night of 3 May.
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Post by Guest on 21.02.17 23:07

Here is a question for you Richard - the docility of the people - something politicians and those we now collectively refer to as the establishment rely upon - has been shown to be not so reliable of late. So wouldn't it be within their own interest to serve justice and appease the people? Wouldn't this be an ideal opportunity to 'let them eat cake'? This is my hope,  that justice could be served and even if it's tokenism I'd take that on this occasion.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 21.02.17 23:14

So, where does all 'this' leave Donut 'I know how 'they' dunnit' McIntire?

He had TWO 'burglartors', armed to the teeth, with cleaning materials, climbing out of window with a child in their arms,..........all when Madeleine wasn't even in the apartment, having 'wandered' off erm, 'sometime'!

Through a patio' door her mother said 'she couldn't possibly open!'

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Post by Roxyroo on 21.02.17 23:15

Richard D. Hall wrote:The circus continues with the clown MWT performing to his carefully prepared script of pure fantasy.  Cadaver Mark?  Two mutually exclusive realms are now in existence in relation to the Madeleine case.  First, the un-real realm created for TV sets with programmes like this, Loose Women, Crimewatch, Panorama and all the others.  Second the realm of reason and evidence based research.  As the evidence has been unpicked more and more since the files were released by many dedicated researchers, the realm of reason has established beyond any doubt that Madeleine died, and most of the pieces of the puzzle are now firmly in place.   The case is near as damn it SOLVED.  But at the same time, the un-real realm has become more and more detached from reality as they try to sweep under the rug the most blatant obvious truth.  Can these two worlds continue to co-exist for much longer?  Are there any brave people who are living in both worlds and are prepared to open their mouth?  TV really is a laughing stock.  If any of the satirical TV shows were anything other than system serving dross, the amount of material they could use from this case is immense.

I seem to remember that the satirical mag "Viz", made comments about Barry George well before he was released.  They made jokes alluding to his innocence.

Yes, Frankie Boyle made that joke about the case and got sacked !

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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.02.17 23:23

Mark Williams-Thomas's theory is being promoted in newspapers around the world now.

Here's a typical one, headlined:

STARTLING NEW THEORY -
http://www.mamamia.com.au/madeleine-mccann-new-theory/

I know there a few people (like the BBC, ITV and SKY News) who still think that Mark Williams-Thomas has a scintilla of credibility left, but after Williams-Thomas has point-blank ignored the 10 years' evidence of abduction carefully built up by the McCanns, and says that on the night of 3 May the apartment was 'hot, with no air conditioning' (when in fact it was only 13C/55F outside, and Jane Tanner had to wear a fleece), surely all semblance of credibility has vanished, he has been exposed as a total con-artist and fraud, and should never be allowed near any crime investigation ever again?

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Post by Verdi on 21.02.17 23:26

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Yeah beats me too going on what I have read on this thread.   Did he get paid for this interview? 

Why not invite Tony, GEG or any other researcher on?  Any fees I would guess would be a good thing for them!
laugh  thumbsup   I can think of one or two reason why not !


Or get PeterMac to come over and give a forensic interview. He could come prepared with some nice pink fluffy handcuffs.
'Good Quality' pink extra fluffy handcuffs I trust.

laugh  With bells on...and I bet you can find a picture for that!
Near as makes no odds and available in colours to suit the mood..



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Post by Roxyroo on 21.02.17 23:29

Yvie Han wrote:Sorry I don't know where to post this.... 

I just watched a youtube of K&G interview a  portuguese interviewer. 

I was shocked as K was running through what happened the night she went to check. 

At no time did she mention checking the twins when the door slammed, the window was open blah blah blah !

As a trained medical professional as K was, and I having been trained in emergency procedure, I was astonished that NOWHERE did she mention checking the twins. 

Response instinct when you are trained kicks in 

Check surroundings for danger, so the light would have been put on. 

At no point does she say she checked the twins, she checked round the apartment, then went back into the bedroom, then ran out to the Tapas!

So what if the twins were lying there in a pool of blood, stabbed, or suffocated, dead? 

Why did she not check their vitals etc? 

Maybe the story changed along the way, but I am finding it difficult to comprehend a mother or indeed anyone NOT checking those twins.

Then to be fair if you are going to bolt I would have had one under each arm, it's amazing the strength you find when that adrenalin kicks in.

I totally agree, and have said so elsewhere. As a mother, you would not care about waking the twins once discovering Madeleine gone.
Natural instinct wld be to pick the twins up and then shout for help. Not run away and leave them!
Yes, adrenaline wld definately kick in. My daughter is 22 and disabled and i lift her most days, thats what mothers do, so picking up each twin wld have been the natural reaction.
None of it makes sense to me, especially why they were given such help from above. Obviously a money spinner, but how do these ppl sleep at night?

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Post by Verdi on 21.02.17 23:33

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Tony Bennett wrote:Mark Williams-Thomas's theory is being promoted in newspapers around the world now.

Here's a typical one, headlined:

STARTLING NEW THEORY -
http://www.mamamia.com.au/madeleine-mccann-new-theory/

I know there a few people (like the BBC, ITV and SKY News) who still think that Mark Williams-Thomas has a scintilla of credibility left, but after Williams-Thomas has point-blank ignored the 10 years' evidence of abduction carefully built up by the McCanns, and says that on the night of 3 May the apartment was 'hot, with no air conditioning' (when in fact it was only 13C/55F outside, and Jane Tanner had to wear a fleece), surely all semblance of credibility has vanished, he has been exposed as a total con-artist and fraud, and should never be allowed near any crime investigation ever again?
What ever way he sways, Mark Williams-Thomas like everyone else in defence of the McCanns, manages to effectively overlook the most important evidence and intelligence harvested by the PJ before outside interference took hold.



Why oh why does anyone take this fraudulant person seriously?  He's a con artiste of the highest order!

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Post by worriedmum on 21.02.17 23:44

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4246558/Journalist-Did-Madeleine-McCann-just-wander-off.html#reader-comments

Just looked at the Daily Mail article on it, have to say if I was an old cynic I might think that this was an opportunity that has been created for shills to promote the 'wander off' scenario. Some of the 'it happened to me' comments are remarkably similar in structure and syntax Thank goodness I'm not an old cynic, eh?.
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Post by Verdi on 22.02.17 0:34

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:
Verdi wrote:Mark Williams-Thomas' belief is based on the claim made by the McCanns about the crying incident/s and the claim made by the McCanns and the unlocked patio door, that he refers to as insecure.  These are his words more or less..

....what we do know on that morning of Madeleine's disappearance she.... so....  that call they made on 3rd May.... we do know on that morning Madeleine went to Gerry and Kate and said where were you last night because we know that Sean and Amelie did wake up on days prior to her disappearance and I think as a result of that Madeleine was clearly aware that Gerry and Kate were at the Tapas bar which was in the resort.  Now the interesting element in that is that in order to get to the Tapas bar you actually had to come out of the premises, walk on a public road to go back in again and that raises a concern that I have - Madeleine I believe, woke up in the middle of the night, she went looking for Gerry and Kate and she left the apartment and came out and what we do know is the patio door at the back wa insecure.  It was very warm, I was there in a matter of days and it was really warm, there was no air conditioning in that apartment and that door was insecure.....

The royal we again!  I don't know anything of the kind, I only know that was claimed by the McCanns and there has been no independent verification of their claim.

Serious as it is, I couldn't help but laugh at " I think as a result of that Madeleine was clearly aware that Gerry and Kate were at the Tapas bar which was in the resort".

She was three years old for crying out loud.  Waking up terrified because she and her siblings are alone in the dark in a strange place and she is clearly aware that her mother and father are down the Tapas because the twins had been crying on previous nights???  What sort of gibberish is that for an investigative journalist come police officer come whatever else?
But it wasn't warm, Mark. Research has unequivocally shown that it wasn't warm on the night of 3 May.
Much like the chief protagonist in this sorry sage, Kate McCann - he knows because he was there winkwink !

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Post by Verdi on 22.02.17 0:39

What's_up_doc? wrote:Here is a question for you Richard - the docility of the people - something politicians and those we now collectively refer to as the establishment rely upon - has been shown to be not so reliable of late. So wouldn't it be within their own interest to serve justice and appease the people? Wouldn't this be an ideal opportunity to 'let them eat cake'? This is my hope,  that justice could be served and even if it's tokenism I'd take that on this occasion.
It's all down to dotting the i's and crossing the T's - know what I mean wink ?  Salem!

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Post by tiredofthebs on 22.02.17 1:32

This is all FAKE CONTROVERSY and RED HERRINGS. 

I don't think there was any neglect. I think the This Morning segment was cooked up by the McCanns and MWT together.

They want people to debate the neglect and debate the abducted vs walked-out theory, because it distracts from the fact that Madeleine died in the apartment.

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Post by MayMuse on 22.02.17 1:48

Verdi wrote:U,
Tony Bennett wrote:Mark Williams-Thomas's theory is being promoted in newspapers around the world now.

Here's a typical one, headlined:

STARTLING NEW THEORY -
http://www.mamamia.com.au/madeleine-mccann-new-theory/

I know there a few people (like the BBC, ITV and SKY News) who still think that Mark Williams-Thomas has a scintilla of credibility left, but after Williams-Thomas has point-blank ignored the 10 years' evidence of abduction carefully built up by the McCanns, and says that on the night of 3 May the apartment was 'hot, with no air conditioning' (when in fact it was only 13C/55F outside, and Jane Tanner had to wear a fleece), surely all semblance of credibility has vanished, he has been exposed as a total con-artist and fraud, and should never be allowed near any crime investigation ever again?
What ever way he sways, Mark Williams-Thomas like everyone else in defence of the McCanns, manages to effectively overlook the most important evidence and intelligence harvested by the PJ before outside interference took hold.



Why oh why does anyone take this fraudulant person seriously?  He's a con artiste of the highest order!
As they say it's all pants".........
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