The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann™
Hello!

A very warm welcome to The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann forum.

Please log in, or register to view all the forums, then settle in and help us get to the truth about what really happened to Madeleine Beth McCann. Please note that your username should be different from your email address!

Many thanks,

Jill Havern
Forum owner

Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Page 1 of 3 1, 2, 3  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 09.02.17 9:11

Portuguese court says Madeleine McCann's parents HAVEN'T been cleared


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4206214/Court-says-Madeleine-McCann-s-parents-HAVEN-T-cleared.html

Portuguese court says Madeleine McCann's parents HAVEN'T been cleared
www.dailymail.co.uk
Kate and Gerry McCann have always claimed they were innocent of any wrongdoing despite former police chief Goncalo Amaral's allegations Maddie died in their holiday flat in Portugal.
Fresh anguish for Madeleine McCann's parents as Portugal's supreme court insists they haven't been proved innocent over their daughter's death

  • Kate and Gerry McCann always claimed they were innocent of any wrongdoing 

  • Former Portuguese police chief Goncalo Amaral's allegations Maddie died in their holiday flat and her parents faked her abduction to cover up the tragedy 

  • Court in Lisbon said lifting of 'suspect' status did not mean they're innocent



The parents of missing Madeleine McCann have been challenged by Portugal's highest court over their insistence they had nothing to do with their daughter's disappearance.
Kate and Gerry McCann have always claimed they were innocent of any wrongdoing despite former police chief Goncalo Amaral's allegations Maddie died in their holiday flat and her parents faked her abduction to cover up the tragedy.
But Portuguese Supreme Court judges who ruled last week against their last-ditch appeal over Mr Amaral's 2008 book 'The Truth of the Lie' said the lifting of their status as 'arguidos' - or formal suspects - did not mean they were innocent.

The statement came in the court's 76-page ruling on the McCann's fight against another court's decision to reverse their 2015 libel win against the former detective.

The couple were left facing a huge legal bill and the prospect of being sued by Mr Amaral, who led the initial hunt for Madeleine when she vanished, after being told last week the Supreme Court had gone against them in a ruling which was not made fully public until yesterday.

Judges made it clear in their decision their job was not to decide whether the McCanns bore any criminal responsibility over their daughter's disappearance and it would be wrong for anyone to draw any inferences about the couple's guilt or innocence from their ruling.

But they added: 'It should not be said that the appellants were cleared via the ruling announcing the archiving of the criminal case.

'In truth, that ruling was not made in virtue of Portugal's Public Prosecution Service having acquired the conviction that the appellants hadn't committed a crime.

'The archiving of the case was determined by the fact that public prosecutors hadn't managed to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants.

'There is therefore a significant, and not merely a semantic difference, between the legally admissible foundations of the archive ruling.

'It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence.'

Highlighting the McCanns' Tapas Nine friend Jane Tanner's much-questioned sighting of the suspected 'abductor', they added: 'It's true that the aforementioned criminal inquiry ended up being archived, namely because none of the apparent evidence that led to the appellants being made 'arguidos' was subsequently confirmed or consolidated.

'However even the archive ruling raises serious concerns relating to the truth of the allegation that Madeleine was kidnapped.'

The McCanns were told their 'arguido' status had been lifted on July 21 2008 when the Portuguese probe into Maddie's disappearance was shelved, three days before the controversial book was published.

The former detective was ordered to pay the couple £430,000 by a Lisbon court in April 2015 after they won round one of their lengthy judicial battle.

Mr Amaral got that ruling - and a ban on selling his book - overturned on appeal in April last year.

The decision by Lisbon's Court of Appeal sparked the Supreme Court fight which was resolved last Tuesday.

The Supreme Court judges said the McCanns claimed the book and a TV documentary based on the book would have damaged the honour and good name of any 'innocent person who had been cleared through the shelving of the criminal investigation.'

It is believed the McCanns are discussing the possibility of taking the case to the European Court of Human Rights.

Madeleine was three years-old when she disappeared from a holiday apartment in Praia de Luz, Portugal, on May 12, 2003.

British police have spent more than £10 million looking for Madeleine.

A spokesperson for the McCann's did not want to respond to request for comment last night.
wow
-------------------

Tony Bennett, who did want to comment, said:

"A lot of people buy and read the Mail!   I have an appointment in London today, will be going by tube, will buy a Mail and hold up that page for all the tube passengers to see."  laughat
avatar
Get'emGonçalo


Posts : 10191
Reputation : 5118
Join date : 2009-11-25
Location : parallel universe

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by Tony Bennett on 09.02.17 9:32

So, ever since July 2008,  the claim "We were cleared by the Portuguese Judiciary" has been a barefaced lie, according to the Portuguese Supreme Court, at any rate.

Richard D Hall nailed this and 22 other lies by McCann's PR spokesman Clarence Mitchell in this YouTube video, see especially from 1 min 00 to 1 min 30:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzikQRswVpw

____________________

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" - Paul's first letter to his disciple Timothy,  1 Timothy 1 v 15

avatar
Tony Bennett

Posts : 14700
Reputation : 2832
Join date : 2009-11-25
Age : 70
Location : Shropshire

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by Mirage on 09.02.17 9:50

Funny how Andy Redwood, who was getting  on so well with his Portugese counterparts, missed all this. Then retired.

Redwood's Crimewatch reconstruction shifted the time line, lost two main players, (the Payne couple) featured the children's bedroom door hung on the wrong side, and the programme  was not made available to Portuguese tv stations. Wonder why? Then he dug up sections of Portugal, had an expensive helicopter ride and went home.

Add to this his declaration from the off that the McCanns were not persons of interest and you have a pretty kettle of fish.

Mirage

Posts : 1904
Reputation : 757
Join date : 2013-02-01

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by plebgate on 09.02.17 9:52

Oh dear, it is possible that they are furious upon reading this (or being told about it).

I wonder if we will be seeing any frantic bidding going on for a comment on the Supreme Court Judges ruling or whether there will be SILENCE on it and any reporting of it?

I refuse to look at LK's show but can anyone tell me if any bums have been parked on her sofa yet giving comment on the ruling.

Tony must be feeling good today, holding the paper up for all to see.  Pity he couldn't have got a sandwich board made up and walked around London with it today.  lol.

Daily Mail, Daily Mail, read all abou 'i.

Snipped from article above;

The Supreme Court judges said the McCanns claimed the book and a TV documentary based on the book would have damaged the honour and good name of any 'innocent person who had been cleared through the shelving of the criminal investigation.'



I have a question: did their solicitor read the files before submitting the libel action?

____________________
Judge Judy to shifty  witnesses   -    LOOK AT ME  -   Um is not an answer.

If I forget to add it to a post everything is In My Opinion and I don't know anything for sure.
Rolling Eyes

plebgate

Posts : 6105
Reputation : 1766
Join date : 2013-02-01

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 09.02.17 10:00

If the McCann's hadn't have started the libel proceedings in the first place they'd have been able to claim 'innocence' for ever, along with their God-like celebrity status and millions of quids they've fraudulently obtained from pensioners and schoolchildren in the name of their dead daughter.

Own goal.

high5
avatar
Get'emGonçalo


Posts : 10191
Reputation : 5118
Join date : 2009-11-25
Location : parallel universe

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by plebgate on 09.02.17 10:13

Own goal - I agree GEG.
Will we be seeing any photos of them mingling with the upper crusts at the footie again? 
How about mixing with me Lord at the races?
I doubt we will see a pic of them at the dogs.  big grin

____________________
Judge Judy to shifty  witnesses   -    LOOK AT ME  -   Um is not an answer.

If I forget to add it to a post everything is In My Opinion and I don't know anything for sure.
Rolling Eyes

plebgate

Posts : 6105
Reputation : 1766
Join date : 2013-02-01

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by SuspiciousMinds on 09.02.17 10:14

I'm sorry, but I can't contain myself any more. I just have to say this.

BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! HEE-HEE-HEE!!! AH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! OH I BET THEIR FACES WERE A PICTURE YESTERDAY!!! HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA! ALL THOSE CAREFULLY CRAFTED WORDS AND NOW - BAM!! ALL GONE!! AND IT'S ALL THEIR OWN FAULT!!! HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr Mr Mr spit coffee lol lol! banana banana banana exalt exalt exalt


Phew! Sorry about that. I really need to stop laughing and do something more useful - BUT IT'S SO DAMNED FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SuspiciousMinds

Posts : 85
Reputation : 67
Join date : 2014-06-24

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by plebgate on 09.02.17 10:15

I can't stop laughing at Tony holding up the paper today.  Pls Tony take a selfie and post it.   ha ha ha.

____________________
Judge Judy to shifty  witnesses   -    LOOK AT ME  -   Um is not an answer.

If I forget to add it to a post everything is In My Opinion and I don't know anything for sure.
Rolling Eyes

plebgate

Posts : 6105
Reputation : 1766
Join date : 2013-02-01

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by Tony Bennett on 09.02.17 10:23

Get'emGonçalo wrote:If the McCann's hadn't have started the libel proceedings in the first place they'd have been able to claim 'innocence' for ever, along with their God-like celebrity status and millions of quids they've fraudulently obtained from pensioners and schoolchildren in the name of their dead daughter.

Own goal.

high5
Funnily enough, the whole 8-year script of this unprecedented libel action reads rather like an exciting football match:

McCanns v Amaral

1-0  McCanns get injunctions at secret court, Sep 2009

2-0  Higher Lisbon court rejects Amaral's appeal, Feb 2010

2-1  Amaral wins appeal in Appeal court, Oct 2010

2-2  McCanns lose appeal in Supreme Court, McCanns ordered to pay costs, Mar 2011

3-2  McCanns win again in lower Lisbon court, 2014

3-3  Amaral wins appeal in Appeal court, Apr2016

EXTRA TIME

3-4   AMARAL WINS Supreme Court rejects McCanns' appeal, Feb 2017

____________________

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" - Paul's first letter to his disciple Timothy,  1 Timothy 1 v 15

avatar
Tony Bennett

Posts : 14700
Reputation : 2832
Join date : 2009-11-25
Age : 70
Location : Shropshire

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by worriedmum on 09.02.17 10:24

I can't find anything on this on the BBC website..is there anything?
avatar
worriedmum

Posts : 1825
Reputation : 424
Join date : 2012-01-17

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 09.02.17 10:26

Tony Bennett wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:If the McCann's hadn't have started the libel proceedings in the first place they'd have been able to claim 'innocence' for ever, along with their God-like celebrity status and millions of quids they've fraudulently obtained from pensioners and schoolchildren in the name of their dead daughter.

Own goal.

high5
Funnily enough, the whole 8-year script of this unprecedented libel action reads rather like an exciting football match:

McCanns v Amaral

1-0  McCanns get injunctions at secret court, Sep 2009

2-0  Higher Lisbon court rejects Amaral's appeal, Feb 2010

2-1  Amaral wins appeal in Appeal court, Oct 2010

2-2  McCanns lose appeal in Supreme Court, McCanns ordered to pay costs, Mar 2011

3-2  McCanns win again in lower Lisbon court, 2014

3-3  Amaral wins appeal in Appeal court, Apr2016

EXTRA TIME

3-4   AMARAL WINS Supreme Court rejects McCanns' appeal, Feb 2017

big grin  Very good!
avatar
Get'emGonçalo


Posts : 10191
Reputation : 5118
Join date : 2009-11-25
Location : parallel universe

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by Mirage on 09.02.17 10:30

Gerry's meltdown at the mention of "dawgs" in that Spanish tv interview  is a reliable indicator of present mood. People in the area probably think there's fracking going on. And to think he brought the subject up himself in court a propos of nothing so he could have a little whinge.

Mirage

Posts : 1904
Reputation : 757
Join date : 2013-02-01

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by MayMuse on 09.02.17 12:44

worriedmum wrote:I can't find anything on this on the BBC website..is there anything?
@worriedmum

It was in the daily mail online
To be fair it said "spokesperson for the McCanns" 

CM was always known as their spokesman, but since he was severed by email, maybe it's another spokesperson/ family,friend/ source who wishes to remain anonymous? 

My dollar is on CM! 
IMO

____________________
“Basically, I’m just an ordinary, straightforward guy who’s the victim of the biggest f***-up on this planet – if you’ll excuse the language.”

Robert Murat talking to David Jones, Daily Mail, 02 June 2007

MayMuse

Posts : 1680
Reputation : 1203
Join date : 2016-04-15

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by Cmaryholmes on 09.02.17 13:18

Get'emGonçalo wrote:T
Tony Bennett wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:If the McCann's hadn't have started the libel proceedings in the first place they'd have been able to claim 'innocence' for ever, along with their God-like celebrity status and millions of quids they've fraudulently obtained from pensioners and schoolchildren in the name of their dead daughter.

Own goal.

high5
Funnily enough, the whole 8-year script of this unprecedented libel action reads rather like an exciting football match:

McCanns v Amaral

1-0  McCanns get injunctions at secret court, Sep 2009

2-0  Higher Lisbon court rejects Amaral's appeal, Feb 2010

2-1  Amaral wins appeal in Appeal court, Oct 2010

2-2  McCanns lose appeal in Supreme Court, McCanns ordered to pay costs, Mar 2011

3-2  McCanns win again in lower Lisbon court, 2014

3-3  Amaral wins appeal in Appeal court, Apr2016

EXTRA TIME

3-4   AMARAL WINS Supreme Court rejects McCanns' appeal, Feb 2017

big grin  Very good!
Could that be the 'Golden Goal'..... or does extra time carry on?

Cmaryholmes

Posts : 382
Reputation : 428
Join date : 2016-03-01

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by Doug D on 09.02.17 13:43

MayMuse:
 
‘My dollar is on CM!’ 
 
CM was quoted the other day with ‘said today’ against it, so he is still around, probably taking tea with ‘our Trace’.
 
……………………………………….
 
“Michael Walker” still banging his repetitive drum when everyone else (CM included) seem to have gone quiet.
 
Obviously got an early call that he needed to start tweeting as well (5.22)!
 
Michael Walker
‏‪@walkercan1000
 
More
‪@UKPoliticstweet@KTHopkins Not suspects. #mccann
 

Madeleine McCann - Parents and friends are not suspects ...
DCI Redwood categorically stating that the parents or people from group that were with are NOT suspects or people of interest with regards to the investigati...
youtube.com
    
5:22 am - 9 Feb 2017

Doug D

Posts : 2430
Reputation : 832
Join date : 2013-12-03

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by jeanmonroe on 09.02.17 13:55

EX DCI Redwood categorically stating that the parents or people from group that were with are NOT suspects or people of interest with regards to the investigation
----------------------------------

A 'smart' cop WOULD say 'that'!

Dosen't mean the cop 'believes' that!

jeanmonroe

Posts : 5818
Reputation : 1662
Join date : 2013-02-07

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by suzyjohnson on 09.02.17 14:46

I read through the comments on the Daily Mail article earlier, I thought a lot of commenters didn't really understand what the article was really about.

Quite a lot of comments like, 'well they were guilty, they left the children alone'

Or 'the McCann's again' (as though the McCanns would want this article to be in the paper)

Or 'so people are not innocent until proven guilty any more?'

____________________


suzyjohnson

Posts : 1192
Reputation : 261
Join date : 2013-03-03

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by suzyjohnson on 09.02.17 14:49

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Being reported in New Zealand now

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11797718
Didn't they work in NZ for a time? I wondered if they might consider going back there, as a way to get the twins away from the Uk?

____________________


suzyjohnson

Posts : 1192
Reputation : 261
Join date : 2013-03-03

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by suzyjohnson on 09.02.17 14:52

If Clarence actually stated that the McCanns were cleared by the Portuguese (and that fact is not true), where does that leave him with regard to the fact he was being paid by the fund (which was continuing to ask for and accept donations) ?

____________________


suzyjohnson

Posts : 1192
Reputation : 261
Join date : 2013-03-03

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 09.02.17 14:57

suzyjohnson wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:Being reported in New Zealand now

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11797718
Didn't they work in NZ for a time? I wondered if they might consider going back there, as a way to get the twins away from the Uk?
At this rate they're not gonna have anywhere to hide so they might aswell confess.
Wasn't it said in Portugal they'd only have spent a couple of years in the clink back then?
Not now though after all the other crimes they've committed.
The Fraudulent Fund, Perverting the Course of Justice.
avatar
Get'emGonçalo


Posts : 10191
Reputation : 5118
Join date : 2009-11-25
Location : parallel universe

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by suzyjohnson on 09.02.17 15:00

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
suzyjohnson wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:Being reported in New Zealand now

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11797718
Didn't they work in NZ for a time? I wondered if they might consider going back there, as a way to get the twins away from the Uk?
At this rate they're not gonna have anywhere to hide so they might aswell confess.
Wasn't it said in Portugal they'd only have spent a couple of years in the clink back then?
Not now though after all the other crimes they've committed.
The Fraudulent Fund, Perverting the Course of Justice.

Well then, (assuming they have something to confess) do you think they have thought about the possibility of just one of them confessing, so that the twins still have one innocent and out-of-jail parent?

____________________


suzyjohnson

Posts : 1192
Reputation : 261
Join date : 2013-03-03

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by ChippyM on 09.02.17 15:10

suzyjohnson wrote:HI read through the comments on the Daily Mail article earlier, I thought a lot of commenters didn't really understand what the article was really about.

Quite a lot of comments like, 'well they were guilty, they left the children alone'

Or 'the McCann's again' (as though the McCanns would want this article to be in the paper)

Or 'so people are not innocent until proven guilty any more?'

I noticed too, online discussions seem to be revolving around the 'they should be done for neglect' angle. People going round in circles debating how they shouldn't have left them and degrees of responsibility.

  As far as I can see it's the dog alerts and the complete disapearance of a child that is relevant. People are still being distracted by their admission they left them, which imo was always the plan.

Maybe it will still take some time for the debate to catch up with what's in the files. People have been sort of 'given permission' to think a different way now by the media.

ChippyM

Posts : 1281
Reputation : 421
Join date : 2013-06-15

Back to top Go down

Re: Daily Mail headline: "McCanns HAVEN'T been cleared": Clarence Mitchell did not want to respond to request for comment last night

Post by jeanmonroe on 09.02.17 15:27

If CM is not going to 'comment' then perhaps, sweet Aunty Philomena will, something along the lines of, 'those sardine munching, three hour lunching, Portuguese Supreme Court judges, are fcuking imbeciles'

jeanmonroe

Posts : 5818
Reputation : 1662
Join date : 2013-02-07

Back to top Go down

Page 1 of 3 1, 2, 3  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum