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Re: McCann's v Amaral Appeal

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 01.02.17 18:53

Bless him roses

Thank you for posting that up jeanmonroe x
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Post by Miss Pandora on 01.02.17 19:14

Wise words. So much about this case is unknown. I hope one day that hidden material will emerge and point to the truth of what really took place that fateful holiday. 

Congratulation to mr Amaral

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Re: McCann's v Amaral Appeal

Post by jeanmonroe on 01.02.17 19:15

IF it 'was NEVER about money'.... why did they want over £1million from GA then?

Why not 'sue' GA for 10p and 'apology'?

Will 'Dirty Des' now 'print' all the 'discrepancies and contradictions' in sworn statements, to UK police officers and PJ,  from the T9, contained in the publicly available, officially in the public domain, Portuguese 'files'?

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Re: McCann's v Amaral Appeal

Post by hogwash on 01.02.17 21:26

Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on January 31, 2017

[size=33]Supreme court rejects Mccanns’ appeal: Amaral vindicated for second time

[/size]

In a case of “second time proved right” former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral has seen a national court take his side in the long-running civil action taken out by the parents of Madeleine McCann.
The Supreme Court convened on Tuesday to consider the case. SIC television was the first media source to report that judges decided to dismiss it.
This means that Supreme Court judges do not consider there are grounds to appeal against the decision given in April last year by Lisbon’s Appellate Court which ruled that Amaral was well within his rights of freedom of expression when he wrote the book: “Madeleine: The Truth of the Lie” (click here).
SIC’s report says the McCanns have now “lost the case against Gonçalo Amaral” as “there are now no further opportunities to reverse the decision” of the Appellate Court.
Whether this is in fact the truth, remains to be seen. The McCanns lawyer Isabel Duarte has intimated to British press that the couple could take the case to the European Court of Human Rights if they lost in Portugal.
The Supreme Court's full judgement will be published later this week, and is expected to award all costs against the McCanns.
British tabloid journalists on their way to Portugal for the reading of the decision have told the Resident that this will be "devastating" for the couple who initiated the case against Amaral almost a decade ago. At the time, damages sought for the thesis that Madeleine had died in a tragic accident which her parents had subsequently concealed were set at over €1 million.
For now, Amaral is keeping the silence he has always said was so necessary for justice to be allowed to work. The Projecto Justiça Gonçalo Amaral website, which has kept supporters up to date with his battle for vindication has posted two announcements since the breaking news on Tuesday.
The first said simply "Justice has prevailed", the second: "Thank you".
"This is the culmination of a costly, difficult process that caused a lot of pain and distress, not only to the persons directly involved, but also to many who refused to be silenced, both on the internet and 'offline', said the second post, published on Wednesday.
"Nonetheless, it also brought out the very best in so many people who have shown their support, both morally and materially, over so many years. It has been tremendously encouraging and heartening, and it must unequivocally be stated that without you, it would simply not have been possible to walk this road towards Justice.
"We await the publication of the Court's decision and will update you soon with relevant information.
"In the meantime, there are simply no words that even remotely match the strength and the tenacity that you have dedicated to this process.
"So a mere "Thank you" will have to do".
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Re: McCann's v Amaral Appeal

Post by Verdi on 01.02.17 23:12

You think you've heard it all over the years and nothing more could be written that could surprise - but this Tracey Kandohla surpasses all else.  Why is she allowed to keep 'spouting false smears' [sic] all this utter nonsense year after year, shouldn't journalists be impartial - at least on the surface?

This woman is a downright liability, her technique is not even helpful to her friend's cause.  It's apparent to me that she works in league with Clarence 'spin-doctor' Mitchell - he who can't speak of the McCanns without constant reference to the royal 'we'.  If any evidence is required to prove he is behind so many of the 'source close to the McCanns', it is the royal 'we'.

By example this Daily Mail twaddle [snipped]..

A source close to the family said: 'This news is devastating, not just for Kate and Gerry but for Madeleine wherever she is.

'It's not good news. We just don't know what to do but we need to sit down with our lawyer and discuss it.

'We've gone to the pinnacle of the Portuguese legal system and we've lost.  We now have to pay a sizeable amount in costs.'
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A classic case of the 'we myself I' syndrome.  Clearly someone/s is still dishing out the dosh.  Somehow, despite Tracey's touching words, I don't think this Supreme Court decision is going to bankrupt chez Rothley.  Which is more than you can say for Goncalo Amaral's position after the McCann teams vindictive litigation.

Still, if the worse comes to the worse - they've got a tidy little sum 'floating' about in and out of the Limited Company to cover for emergency expenses.

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Re: McCann's v Amaral Appeal

Post by The Rooster on 02.02.17 7:13

Tracy Tracy Tracy... Get a real job!

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Post by BlueBag on 02.02.17 8:10

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:
I guess you must have posted on the 3A's too as that's where everyone went afterwards.
Yes indeed.
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Re: McCann's v Amaral Appeal

Post by MrsC on 02.02.17 8:39

I know it's only Digital Spy but the fact that they are letting a McCann thread run is quite important.

For a good few years not a mention of the McCann case was allowed, threads were shut down as soon as they were started. It was believed that this was because the McCann people were so litigious.

Tuesday's ruling has turned that around on it's head.

Digital Spy, I believe, is one of the most widely read forums in the UK.

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Re: McCann's v Amaral Appeal

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 02.02.17 8:54

@MrsC wrote:I know it's only Digital Spy but the fact that they are letting a McCann thread run is quite important.

For a good few years not a mention of the McCann case was allowed, threads were shut down as soon as they were started. It was believed that this was because the McCann people were so litigious.

Tuesday's ruling has turned that around on it's head.

Digital Spy, I believe, is one of the most widely read forums in the UK.
Fair enough, but surely the owner can see that there are other McCann forums that are still up and running?

I think it's only this forum that's been Carter-Rucked several times, but we're still here and getting stronger by the day despite best efforts by certain people elsewhere to discredit our work. yes

Onwards and upwards towards justice for Madeleine Beth McCann.
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Re: McCann's v Amaral Appeal

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 02.02.17 9:06

I think this is a slightly longer article than before.

http://portugalresident.com/node/47952


Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on January 31, 2017


Supreme court rejects McCanns' appeal: Amaral vindicated for second time






In a case of “second time proved right” former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral has seen a national court take his side in the long-running civil action taken out by the parents of Madeleine McCann.

The Supreme Court convened on Tuesday to consider the case. SIC television was the first media source to report that judges decided to dismiss it.

This means that Supreme Court judges do not consider there are grounds to appeal against the decision given in April last year by Lisbon’s Appellate Court which ruled that Amaral was well within his rights of freedom of expression when he wrote the book: “Madeleine: The Truth of the Lie” (click here).

SIC’s report says the McCanns have now “lost the case against Gonçalo Amaral” as “there are no further opportunities to reverse the decision” of the Appellate Court.

Whether this is true remains to be seen. The McCanns lawyer Isabel Duarte has intimated to British press that the couple could take the case to the European Court of Human Rights if they lost in Portugal.

The Supreme Court's full judgement will be published later this week, and is expected to award all costs against the McCanns.

British tabloid journalists on their way to Portugal for the reading of the decision have told the Resident that this will be "devastating" for the couple who initiated the case against Amaral almost a decade ago. At the time, damages sought for the thesis that Madeleine had died in a tragic accident which her parents had subsequently concealed were set at over €1 million.

For now, Amaral is keeping the silence he has always said was so necessary for justice to be allowed to work. The Projecto Justiça Gonçalo Amaral website, which has kept supporters up to date with his battle for vindication has posted two announcements since the breaking news on Tuesday.

The first said simply "Justice has prevailed", the second: "Thank you".

"This is the culmination of a costly, difficult process that caused a lot of pain and distress, not only to the persons directly involved, but also to many who refused to be silenced, both on the internet and 'offline', said the second post, published on Wednesday.

"Nonetheless, it also brought out the very best in so many people who have shown their support, both morally and materially, over so many years. It has been tremendously encouraging and heartening, and it must unequivocally be stated that without you, it would simply not have been possible to walk this road towards Justice.

"We await the publication of the Court's decision and will update you soon with relevant information.

"In the meantime, there are simply no words that even remotely match the strength and the tenacity that you have dedicated to this process.

"So a mere "Thank you" will have to do".

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BBC FINALLY REPORT ON THE AMARAL V MCCANN SUPREME COURT RULING

Post by RosieandSam on 02.02.17 13:52

Madeleine McCann's parents 'disappointed' by libel ruling

2nd February 2017

In 2015, Goncalo Amaral was ordered to pay 500,000 euros (£425,000) to Kate and Gerry McCann, of Rothley, Leicestershire, after he implicated them in their daughter's disappearance.

The decision was overturned following an appeal last year.

The McCanns took the case to Portugal's Supreme Court, but it was dismissed.

Madeleine went missing days before her fourth birthday, while on a family holiday in the Algarve in 2007, and has not been seen since.

Mr Amaral had suggested the couple faked her abduction.

While the judges' official ruling is yet to be published, lawyers for Mr and Mrs McCann have been informed of the decision.

According to the Associated Press news agency, a court official said the court had ruled the allegations were protected by freedom of expression laws.

"What we have been told by our lawyers is obviously extremely disappointing," the McCanns said in a statement.

"It is eight years since we brought the action and in that time the landscape has dramatically changed, namely there is now a joint Metropolitan Police-Policia Judiciaria investigation, which is what we've always wanted.

"The police in both countries continue to work on the basis that there is no evidence that Madeleine has come to physical harm."

Madeleine went missing from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, on May 3 2007, as her parents dined at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends.

Mr Amaral, who led the initial investigation into Madeleine's disappearance but was taken off the case in October 2007, released his book - In The Truth Of The Lie - three days after Portuguese police closed their investigation the following year.

He later took part in a documentary for Portuguese television in which he claimed Madeleine was dead, there had been no abduction and that the McCanns had hidden her body.

The McCanns have said previously the claims had exacerbated their anguish and discouraged people from coming forward with information.

Scotland Yard started a review of the case in May 2011, after then-Prime Minister David Cameron responded to a plea from the McCanns.

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Post by Portia on 02.02.17 15:30

"The police in both countries continue to work on the basis that there is no evidence that Madeleine has come to physical harm".


So sorry but: no.
Half PdL was dug up, trying to find a corpse.
Not a living person, obviously. 


Pull the other one, dears!
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Re: McCann's v Amaral Appeal

Post by jeanmonroe on 03.02.17 1:55

thx to cherry1 ............Today at 12:46 am

LBC NICK FERRARI WEDNESDAY 1 FEBRUARY 2017

Nick Ferrari - Victory for the ex detective who accused the McCanns and Kate and Gerry McCann now facing a legal bill that some say could be half a million pounds. What is at the heart of these accusations or allegations . James Murray is  Associate Editor of Sunday Express and has led that paper's coverage of this story and has had a few exclusives in his time on the story, joins us now. So what is at the heart of these allegations James, morning.

James Murray - Good morning well they stem from his book The Truth of the Lie which was published shortly after he quit which was September 2007.  In the book he says he quoted from the Police file report which stated that it was possible that Madeleine had died in the apartment.  erm now his argument  is that his book was a reflection of the Police er opinion to date when he left of what had occurred and he had perfect right to publish that book. Kate and Gerry obviously contested that view and they believe that Madeleine is alive and that they certainly didn't have anything to do with it so they took legal action.

Nick Ferrari - and the heart of the - allegation - I stress, is that there was some kind of accident or incident within the apartment that cased Madeleine's death

James Murray - Yes it was claimed in the Police report that there had been an accident within the flat 5a within the  Ocean Club in Prai da Luz er which has caused the death - now that was not borne out by anything that Scotland Yard found, in fact when Scotland yard looked at it they said there was no evidence that suggests that she was dead, in fact Andy Redwood who was leading it at that time, said he believed she could well be alive.

Nick Ferrari - Lastly the headlines suggesting that they are looking at a legal bill of half million pounds, do you see that as likely James

James Murray - Well yes I do as Goncalo Amaral has spent a fortune defending his reputation and book and he has run up massive legal bills himself and he will be looking to get that money returned.    He has had to sell his property, he is living with his father in Lisbon, er he is in pretty dire financial straits it has pretty well ruined his life all this, so yes he will be wanting to exact a financial settlement with the McCanns.

Nick Ferrari, many thanks  associate Editor of Sunday Express led the newspaper coverage of that story and turned over a few exclusives too.

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James Murray - "Yes it was claimed in the Police report that there had been an accident within the flat 5a within the  Ocean Club in Prai da Luz er which has caused the death - now that was not borne out by anything that Scotland Yard found, in fact when Scotland yard looked at it they said there was no evidence that suggests that she was dead, in fact Andy Redwood who was leading it at that time, said he believed she could well be alive."
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Just a pity then that James Murray (JM) DIDN'T also TELL NF that Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, added "that there was a possibility that she had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared" in May 2007.

and

Ex DCI Redwood also said "the assumption that Madeleine was abducted, may not follow with all our thinking on the case."

Oh well, such are the 'alt facts' by JM.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 03.02.17 12:16

Have ANY 'serious' UK 'journos' rushed to Portugal and 'cheque booked' GA for 'a world exclusive' on his 'victory' in the Portuguese Supreme Court.?

Right up Jenni K's 'alley' I would have thought, 'injustice' and all that.

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Post by Verdi on 03.02.17 12:22

@jeanmonroe wrote:Have ANY 'serious' UK 'journos'  rushed to Portugal and 'cheque booked' GA for 'a world exclusive' on his 'victory' in the Portuguese Supreme Court.?

Right up Jenni K's 'alley' I would have thought, 'injustice' and all that.
Isn't there a very well respected freelance journalist slash social commentator slash sofa queen slash documentary producer, available for a fast buck?

Who better for the job than a floating free-range justice seeker - complete with ready made camera crew?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 03.02.17 12:25

@Verdi wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:Have ANY 'serious' UK 'journos'  rushed to Portugal and 'cheque booked' GA for 'a world exclusive' on his 'victory' in the Portuguese Supreme Court.?

Right up Jenni K's 'alley' I would have thought, 'injustice' and all that.
Isn't there a very well respected freelance journalist slash social commentator slash sofa queen slash documentary producer, available for a fast buck?

Who better for the job than a floating free-range justice seeker - complete with ready made camera crew?

Sonia P and her 'ready made camera crew' are suddenly 'very busy, busy, busy'......elsewhere!!! laugh

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Post by jeanmonroe on 04.02.17 0:41


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Post by jeanmonroe on 04.02.17 0:42



Methinks the 'youtuber' is a tad 'upset'!

"well.... of course she fcuking will!"

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Post by Hobs on 04.02.17 2:29

I wonder.

Could or would Dr. Amaral be able to sue clarrie since clarrie made (repeated) comments about him that were perhaps defamatory and impugned his abilty as the lead investigator in the search for Maddie and also in regard to the court case, intervies and statements given?

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Post by MayMuse on 04.02.17 3:25

@jeanmonroe wrote:

Methinks the 'youtuber' is a tad 'upset'!

"well.... of course she fcuking will!"
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Echo truths...this I see is the real story... the sun used her name to promote....she is nothing ambassador of the choir.....correction!

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Post by jeanmonroe on 04.02.17 12:42

So, 'thinking'

If, the specific, OG 'ceases' shortly, will any 'files' be published, to explain the specific use of over £16million of UK taxpayers money having been 'spent' on a SINGLE 'missing' child 'investigation'?

But, more importantly, imo, will the 'second' PJ 'investigation' also be closed, simultaneously, and their 'second, reopened, investigation' files be released, into the pubic domain, as is 'required, in law' in Portugal, when a 'case' is 'shelved', pending new 'evidence' or 'closed'.

The 'second' PJ 'investigation' that started AFTER OG was established, in 2011.

Details like..... SY's 'Ex DCI Redwood's 'co-operation', or not, with Portuguese 'authorities' from 2012 ('review' into 'investigation') and SY's DCI Wall's 'co-operation', or not, with Portuguese 'authorities' since 2014. ('investigation' only)

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Post by Miss Pandora on 04.02.17 13:37

@jeanmonroe wrote:So, 'thinking'

If, the specific, OG 'ceases' shortly, will any 'files' be published, to explain the specific use of over £16million of UK taxpayers money having been 'spent' on a SINGLE 'missing' child 'investigation'?

But, more importantly, imo, will the 'second' PJ 'investigation' also be closed, simultaneously, and their 'second, reopened, investigation' files be released, into the pubic domain, as is 'required, in law' in Portugal, when a 'case' is 'shelved', pending new 'evidence' or 'closed'.

The 'second' PJ 'investigation' that started AFTER OG was established, in 2011.

Details like..... SY's 'Ex DCI Redwood's 'co-operation', or not, with Portuguese 'authorities' from 2012 ('review' into 'investigation') and SY's DCI Wall's 'co-operation', or not, with Portuguese 'authorities' since 2014. ('investigation' only)
I see no reason why this would be any different from the first time around. But expert on Portuguese law.  As a UK tax payer some answers or at least some credible explanations would be helpful roses

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Post by Verdi on 05.02.17 22:46

Updates


31 January, 2017 - Statement from Gerry and Kate Regarding Portuguese Supreme Court Ruling

What we have been told by our lawyers is obviously extremely disappointing.

It is eight years since we brought the action and in that time the landscape has dramatically changed, namely there is now a joint Metropolitan Police-Policia Judiciaria investigation which is what we've always wanted.

The police in both countries continue to work on the basis that there is no evidence that Madeleine has come to physical harm.
We will, of course, be discussing the implications of the Supreme Court ruling with our lawyers in due course.

Gerry and Kate

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html

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Re: McCann's v Amaral Appeal

Post by BlueBag on 06.02.17 7:28

@Verdi wrote:

Updates




The police in both countries continue to work on the basis that there is no evidence that Madeleine has come to physical harm.

That's isn't true.

Simply not true.

PJ believed a death occurred and the parents covered it up.

Scotland Yard think that she may have died in the apartment.

"No evidence"?

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Re: McCann's v Amaral Appeal

Post by MayMuse on 07.02.17 12:46

http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/mccanns-not-cleared.html


Supreme Court McCanns NOT  cleared!


McCanns NOT cleared




The sentence of the Supreme Justice Court of the McCann v Amaral Lisbon Trial has today been published on Projecto Justiça Gonçalo Amaral (PGJA) here.

We are waiting for the translation of the document that is being done there, which we here would like to immediately show our gratitude for.

However, we would like to share with our readers something in the sentence that was invoked by the plaintiffs:


“And this because, as the appellants say in the conclusions of the allegations of the appeal, besides being absolutely innocent and cleared, by the archival dispatch of the crime-process, also have the right to benefit the principle of innocence?” (page 68 of sentence)

The Supreme Justice Court had this to say about that:

“It should be added that we are before an archival decision by the Public Ministry, which is liable of change by many ways.

As such, besides appealing via jurisdiction, through the opening of an instruction (CPP art.287º), and to making a claim to the higher hierarchy (CPP art. 378º), the inquiry can be reponed if new elements of proof appear that invalidate the grounds invoked by the Public Ministry in the archival dispatch (CPP art. 279º)-

Besides, that is said in the “Note to the Media” disclosed by the PGR on 21/7/08 in which was announced that it had been determined the archival of the inquiry and informed that the “same could be reopened, by initiative of the Public Ministry ou by request of an interested party, if new elements of proof would appear that originated serious, pertinent and consequent diligences” (#14 of proven facts).

In this way, not being the alluded archival dispatch a written decision on a strict sense, nor assuming definitive aspect, much less would be justified the invoking of the principle of presumption of innocence to restrict freedom of expression.”
(page 69 of sentence, 1st picture of post)

And:


And let it not be said, also, that the appellants were cleared by the archival dispatch of the crime-process.

In truth, the alluded dispatch wasn’t pronounced because the Public Ministry gained the conviction that the appellants did not commit any crime (as by nº1 of the art. 277º of the CPP)

Such archival, in the case, was determined because it wasn’t possible for the Public Ministry to obtain enough legally admissible indicia of the practice of a crime by the appellants (as by nº2, art. 277º of CPP)

There is, then, a significant difference, and not merely of semantics, between the grounds legally admissible of the archival dispatch.

It doesn’t seem, then, acceptable that it should be considered that the referred dispatch, grounded on insufficiency of indicia, should be equivalent to the proof of innocence.

We consider, therefore, that the invoking of the breaking of the principle of presumption of innocence, should not be received, not weighing such principle in the decision that has to be taken.”
(page 70 of sentence)

Very clearly and very explicitly the Supreme Justice Court is saying that the McCanns have NOT been cleared.

Note, it has not said the McCanns were guilty. It is just saying that they have not been considered by the Portuguese Justice System as innocent.

We do believe that this is historic and rebates definitely all those saying that the couple was cleared by the Portuguese justice.

On January 31 2017 this was set straight.

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Retired DCI Gonçalo Amaral: "The English can always present the conclusions to which they themselves arrived in 2007. Because they know, they have the evidence of what happened - they don't need to investigate anything. All this is now a mere 'show off'."

Retired murder DCI Colin Sutton: "I would also like to make the point that Operation Grange was so restricted from the start as to be destined to fail."

Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley made public on national TV that Operation Grange is a complete fraud.

Ex-DCI Andy Redwood had a "revelation moment" on BBC's Crimewatch on 14th October 2013 when he announced that Operation Grange had eliminated the Tanner sighting - which opened up the 'window of opportunity', in accordance with their remit, to allow the fake abduction to happen.

Despite "irrelevant behaviour" from blood and cadaver dogs in the McCann's apartment, on Kate McCann's clothes, and in the car they hired three weeks after Maddie disappeared, Ex-Chief Inspector, Ian Horrocks, said: "The thought that Kate and Gerry McCann had anything to do with the death of their daughter is frankly preposterous."

Gerry McCann called for example to be made of 'trolls'. SKY News reporter Martin Brunt doorstepped Brenda Leyland on 2 October 2014. She was then found dead in a Leicester hotel room. Brenda paid the price. She paid with her life.

Ex-Deputy Chief Constable, Jim Gamble QPM, congratulated SKY reporter, Martin Brunt, on twitter for doorstepping Brenda Leyland on behalf of Gerry McCann.

Prime Minister Theresa May introduces Prime Suspect Kate McCann to Royalty: The Duchess of Gloucester.

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