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Shirley Oaks / Lambeth Council / Bulic Forsythe

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Shirley Oaks / Lambeth Council / Bulic Forsythe

Post by Doug D on 16.12.16 12:23

Following Lambeth Council’s acceptance of liability to the Shirley Oaks Survivors Association yesterday, calls being made to have another proper look at this one (from 2015):
 
Was council official murdered to stop him revealing those linked to VIP paedophile ring? New witness speaks out
 
Detectives are investigating claims Bulic Forsythe was silenced by a children’s home vice ring said to have included a future minister in Tony Blair's government
 
BY TOM PETTIFOR
15:53, 11 MAR 2015 UPDATED16:41, 11 MAR 2015
 
A council official was murdered days after he vowed to expose “horrible” people linked to a VIP paedophile ring, a witness has claimed.
Detectives are investigating claims Bulic Forsythe was silenced by a children’s home vice ring said to have included a future minister in Tony Blair's government.
 
A friend of Bulic, traced by the Mirror, said the social services manager at Lambeth council in south London confided in him shortly before he was murdered 22 years ago last month.
 
The witness claimed: “I will never forget one evening in the pub when he told me and my wife: 'There are some people in Lambeth Council who are doing really horrible, disgusting things and I am going to expose them. I won’t let them get away with it.'
 
“I was nervous when he was telling me all of this. I could feel by the anxious, determined emotion in his voice just how serious the situation was.
"I will never forget the look on his face when he was telling me this. He was seriously disgusted and disturbed by what he knew and was determined to see that justice was served. Several days later, he was murdered.”
 
The witness, a former para-legal, said he contacted the police with the information at the time. He claimed: "It was a very short conversation with no interest expressed by the police and no one ever called me back.”
 
He is the second person traced by the Mirror who says Bulic was living in fear before his murder because of what he had allegedly discovered at Lambeth council.
 
A former female colleague said the social services manager had become aware of claims that children were being sexually abused at the South Vale children’s home.
 
A restricted document newly uncovered by the Daily Mirror shows officials in the Blair administration were aware in 1998 of claims the murder had been linked to a Lambeth paedophile ring and children's home pervert John Carroll.
 
The memo, used to brief ministers in the Blair government in August 1998, stated: “There is an unsolved murder of [an official] which some staff in Lambeth believe is linked to paedophile activity, corruption and Mr Carroll. The police do not rule this out and are re-evaluating this and other serious crimes and incidents.”
 
Detective Clive Driscoll advised the murder investigation be reopened when he found potential links to his 1998 children’s homes probe in Lambeth.
 
But Mr Driscoll was removed from the case after naming the Blair minister as a suspect and Bulic’s murder file has not been touched for 15 years.
 
Scotland Yard finally began a cold case review 17 months ago following a Daily Mirror investigation. A spokesman said last month that they are still examining forensic evidence.
 
Kiddist Forsythe – born three months after her dad's murder – believed he may have been targeted because of what he knew and she is urging the police to fully reopen the murder investigation.
 
Bulic was last seen alive at 8.45pm on Wednesday, February 24, 1993.
 
A BBC Crimewatch broadcast five months later revealed that at 10am on the Thursday three official looking men were seen by a neighbour carrying files away from his flat in Clapham, South London.
 
Two more men were seen in a car behind the property at 2pm. His bedroom was torched at 1am on Friday and the oven turned on.
 
Kiddist’s mum and Bulic’s widow, Dawn, 61, said: “I think someone wanted to shut him up.”
 
Bulic died at the time of an internal Lambeth council probe into alleged sexual abuse in the housing department where he had worked.
 
The resulting report, obtained by the Mirror, details allegations of rape, sexual assault and the swapping of child abuse videos and violent porn within the council. It implicated Lambeth employees as well as police and politicians.
 
The report, signed by chair of the panel Eithne Harris, states: “The murder of Bulic Forsythe was seen by some witnesses as a possible outcome for anyone who strayed too far in their investigation or who asked too many questions.”
 
Published internally in December 1993, it adds: “The panel heard evidence about BF [Bulic Forsythe] while he was working in Social Services, speaking to a colleague and telling her he was going to ‘spill the beans’.
 
"Three days later he was killed.”
 
This is not either of the witnesses traced by the Mirror.
 
It states: “BF had allegedly expressed his fear of [council employee initials] to another witness who visited him.
 
"He appeared very frightened to the witness. The witness at this point appeared fearful”
 
The report describes the atmosphere in the department as “one of intense fear”.
Though the panel found no “direct link” between his death and work it said its evidence should be handed to police.
 
Kiddist’s mum and Bulic’s widow, Dawn, 60, said: “I think someone wanted to shut him up.”
 
Paedophiles abused children in Lambeth’s homes for decades.
 
A former social services manager told Mr Driscoll in 1998 that she saw the future Blair minister making evening visits to the Angell Road children’s home in Brixton in the early 80s.
 
The home was run by John Carroll who was jailed for ten years in 1999 for sexually abusing a string of children.
 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bulic-forsythe-lambeth-council-paedophiles-5312998
 
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Post by Verdi on 16.12.16 12:39

I remember the Shirley Oaks scandal.  If memory serves me well, Ken Livingstone - former leader of Lambeth Council and later the GLC (Greater London Council that was) and more recently Mayor of London, was around at the time..


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Re: Shirley Oaks / Lambeth Council / Bulic Forsythe

Post by Verdi on 16.12.16 20:17

Paul Boateng, that was the bloke around at the time, a protégé of Ken Livingstone, who swiftly rose through the ranks from Equal Opportunities officer in Lambeth Council to a member of parliament - and now having served a number of high ranking appointments is a member of the House of Lords.

Planned immunity?

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Post by Verdi on 16.12.16 20:49

I forgot - Boateng started off working for Lambeth Council Social Services, then went on to become the councils equal opportunities advisor.

Paul Boateng was reported to have been a great favourite of Tony Blair and his government, whilst in Lambeth Council he worked along side John Major, previously also a local councillor for Lambeth.

Through the auspices of the Blair administration, Boateng was appointed High Commissioner in 2005 for post-apartheid South Africa, where he was placed in luxurious accommodation with his wife, a former chairman (local councillor) of Lambeth Social Services committee - who, as an aside, hit the UK headlines following abuse of black members of staff at their domicile in South Africa.  As High Commissioner he had control over scores of diplomatic and consular staff - you don't get commissioned much higher than that!

Are the wheels coming off Doug D?  Nah - never, unless anyone thinks they can de-throne the global super powers.

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Social Work Today, 11th November 1985


This was published during the time institutionalized child abuse in homes administered by Lambeth Council Social Services was rife.

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Re: Shirley Oaks / Lambeth Council / Bulic Forsythe

Post by Roxyroo on 17.12.16 0:19

Thankyou yet again Doug D. For bringing this to the forums attention, you're a star. roses

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Re: Shirley Oaks / Lambeth Council / Bulic Forsythe

Post by jeanmonroe on 19.12.16 14:21

Ex DCI Clive Driscoll was 'on to' PB.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35695665

A detective was removed from his post after telling colleagues he wanted to approach Paul Boateng - then government minister in charge of police.
Multiple sources have told the BBC they believe Det Insp Clive Driscoll intended to ask Mr Boateng what - if anything - he knew of a known paedophile, John Carroll.
But before Mr Driscoll could approach him in 1998 he was axed from the case.

Now under the supervision of the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), the Metropolitan Police has for three years been reviewing why Mr Driscoll was ordered to leave the south London borough of Lambeth in November 1998, and what happened to the information he had gathered.
Justice Lowell Goddard, who this month begins hearings for her inquiry into historical allegations of child sexual abuse in a wide range of institutions, has stated that one of her priorities will be to get to the bottom of what happened in Lambeth, one of the most troubled and scandal-plagued councils in the UK.
Specifically she plans to examine "allegations that there was inappropriate interference* in law enforcement investigations into the sexual abuse of children in the care of the Council".
Mr Driscoll had a 34-year career in the Met, which culminated in the successful conviction of two of the men who killed Stephen Lawrence.
He has spoken out about the decision to remove him from Lambeth and what he fears were subsequent failures to investigate information he had gathered.
He said: "I am immensely proud to [have been] a police officer and immensely proud to [have been] a Metropolitan Police officer, but this is the one period in my career which just troubles me greatly."
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But before Mr Driscoll could approach him in 1998 he was axed from the case

*'inappropriate interference'...............by 'senior' (to ex- DCI CD) MET Police 'officers'

ALSO

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28316874

Metropolitan Police officer was moved 'from child abuse inquiry'
By Laura Kuenssberg
BBC Newsnight
15 July 2014

Clive Driscoll: "I passed the names on that had been passed to me as potential suspects"

A former senior Metropolitan Police officer says he was moved from his post when he revealed plans to investigate politicians over child abuse claims.

Clive Driscoll says his inquiry into 1980s London children's homes was "all too uncomfortable to a lot of people".

ALSO

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28321852

Watch the 'video'

Officer taken off politician child abuse inquiry

16 July 2014 Last updated at 00:13 BST

A former senior Metropolitan Police officer says he was moved from his post when he revealed plans to investigate politicians over child abuse claims.

Clive Driscoll says his inquiry into 1980s London children's homes was "all too uncomfortable to a lot of people".

He told BBC Newsnight's Laura Kuenssberg that after it had been agreed that he should pass on information about potential suspects to Lambeth Council, he was advised that it was "inappropriate" and was subjected to disciplinary proceedings.

The Met said it was looking into his claims concerning his removal from the investigation and have called him to a meeting in Scotland Yard on Wednesday.

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Post by Verdi on 19.12.16 23:12

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Then there was Edward 'Ted the Red' Knight, former leader of Lambeth Council, integral part of the 'Loony Left' cult that dominated London in the 1980's.  A closet homosexual and close associate of Ken Livingstone, along with one Linda Belos a subsequent leader of Lambeth Council, a mixed race self confessed lesbian and equal rights campaigner, who not only tried to indoctrinate staff across the board with left wing extremism but left a legacy promoting sex advice for gay men by way of an explicit manual illustrating sex aids and practices. 

This extreme form of dictatorship even went so far as issuing a mandate to social service staff, working with care of the elderly and disabled, to manually assist the clients sexual urges - I'll leave the detail to your imagination.  When staff strongly objected to the mandate (as one would) they were told - do it or you face disciplinary.

So much for the loony left across London that were responsible for the care and welfare of institutionalized children.  Lambeth was one example followed closely by Islington.

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Post by icanseeyou on 20.12.16 1:19

Coincidences abound. The head of Social services (Lambeth) at the time was Janet Boateng, wife of Paul. He was close friends with Lord Janner and was questioned over cover ups too. Their was friendship between him Margaret Hodge ( Islington cover up ) whose nephew is Philip Edmond . Edmond was at the same resort as the McCann's when the abduction took place.He cut his holiday short ( left the day after and sailed to Switzerland with his sons ).He stated that he handed photographs  of his sons in to the police because the McCanns and Maddie were also on them. Anybody seen any ? Strangely, him and Gerry look alike. Probably more so at 10 pm. Who knows. Worth considering when looking at the eye witness statements or even his contacts in low high places.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 20.12.16 10:42

@ icanseeyou 

'......as at the same resort as the McCann's when the abduction took place'

What 'abduction'?

Would 'you', personally, state, in a UK High Court, that 'Madeleine was abducted'?

A Carter Fluck 'lawyer' said 'that' once, in a UK High Courtroom, and 'sheepishly, publicly' had to 'withdraw' her assertion, because she 'had only been TOLD', that 'Madeleine was abducted', by her clients...........the McCanns.

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Post by Verdi on 20.12.16 12:39

I'm not aware of any friendship between Paul Boateng and Dame Margaret Hodge or Lord Janner.  By matter of course they were acquainted but beyond that I have no knowledge of any personal connection nor do I intend to speculate on such just to spice it up or invent a connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Lord Janner may have supported Boateng's rise to Lordship as reported,  I strongly suspect however that the prominent campaigner for Boateng's seat in the House was one Lord Herman Ouseley - another a favourite of Ken Livingstone, also an active civil rights campaigner and former CEO for Lambeth Council, during the same era as Knight, Livingston, Boateng and Belos.

Islington is North London, Lambeth is South London - maybe all these named London boroughs are/were all part of a global network of institutionalized child abuse, or maybe they were/are independently all up to the same tricks just because orphan children are an easy target.  This is nothing new, in Victorian times children were cruelly treated by the system. 

Hopefully, one day all will be revealed - somehow I doubt it!  Too much sensationalism and not enough hard fact available to lead any where positive.

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Post by icanseeyou on 20.12.16 16:47

jeanmonroe wrote:@ icanseeyou 

'......as at the same resort as the McCann's when the abduction took place'

What 'abduction'?

Would 'you', personally, state, in a UK High Court, that 'Madeleine was abducted'?
Would i state it ? Of course not. But if i was asked in that court what happened to her i'd say it but only with ' according to the official story and subsequent press reports based on police opinion'.I'd only be being asked for my opinion and I don't believe the PR story  If i stated my own belief I'd be laughed out of court as yet another 'conspiracy nut' that's flying in the face of officialdom and all the concrete, tangible evidence (that's been hidden or lost by them) . I use the term 'abduction' because if i used 'death of ' I'd probably end up in a Leicester hotel getting suicided . I doubt, in my gut, that many people think she's alive . I think if you took a poll 95% would say she's dead. The percentage wouldn't be much smaller if the same people were asked if they thought there had been a cover up. Unfortunately, if the people responsible for the cover up are the same people who have or had the incriminating evidence all we have is suspicion based on what seems logical. But that's enough to keep the people involved out of trouble. There's a nasty, sneering attitude of 'so ? prove it' suggested in the narrative's subtext. I think that's as much a reason for the outrage of the public as anything else. The McCann's are being protected by an army of well - positioned people and time and money are never an issue. That's why the list of suspects, in my view, is long.
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Re: Shirley Oaks / Lambeth Council / Bulic Forsythe

Post by jeanmonroe on 23.12.16 19:01

@ icanseeyou 

But if i was asked in that court what happened to her i'd say it but only with ' according to the official story and subsequent press reports based on police opinion'
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Would that be the Portuguese police or the UK police..........'opinion'?

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