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Are the Met. running out of all credibility? Time for 'special measures'?

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Are the Met. running out of all credibility? Time for 'special measures'?

Post by Doug D on 23.11.16 18:55

Haven’t posted the court report etc, just the following snip about yet another incompetent investigation by the Met.
 
On the BBC news there was mention of e-mails sent to the Met over a year before, expressing concerns and pointing out similarities in cases, but they were not acted on and further murders and assaults continued to be carried out:
 
Stephen Port: Serial killer guilty of murdering four men
                       
44 minutes ago
From the section 
London
 
snipped:
 
How did police miss killer Stephen Port?
 
The Metropolitan Police admitted it missed "potential opportunities" in investigating the deaths and has urged any other victims to come forward.
 
The force's own LGBT independent advisory group and journalists from the website Pink News had raised concerns about a serial killer being at large but were told the deaths were unconnected.
 
The Independent Police Complaints Commission is currently investigating how the force handled the initial investigation into the deaths.
 
Seven officers have been served with gross misconduct notices advising them their conduct is under investigation. Another 10 have been served with misconduct notices.
 
Cdr Stuart Cundy, from the Met, said he was personally writing to the victims' families "to express our sincere condolences".
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38077859

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Post by Tony Bennett on 23.11.16 19:53

@Doug D wrote:Haven’t posted the court report etc, just the following snip about yet another incompetent investigation by the Met.
 
On the BBC news there was mention of e-mails sent to the Met over a year before, expressing concerns and pointing out similarities in cases, but they were not acted on and further murders and assaults continued to be carried out:
 
Stephen Port: Serial killer guilty of murdering four men
                       
44 minutes ago
From the section 
London
 
snipped:
 
How did police miss killer Stephen Port?
 
The Metropolitan Police admitted it missed "potential opportunities" in investigating the deaths and has urged any other victims to come forward.
 
The force's own LGBT independent advisory group and journalists from the website Pink News had raised concerns about a serial killer being at large but were told the deaths were unconnected.
 
The Independent Police Complaints Commission is currently investigating how the force handled the initial investigation into the deaths.
 
Seven officers have been served with gross misconduct notices advising them their conduct is under investigation. Another 10 have been served with misconduct notices.
 
Cdr Stuart Cundy, from the Met, said he was personally writing to the victims' families "to express our sincere condolences".
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38077859
If only Sr Robert Mark could rise from the grave and resume command of the Met:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mark
The Metropolitan Police had recently been rocked by exposure of massive corruption in the Criminal Investigation Department, and Mark, with the famous pronouncement that "a good police force is one that catches more crooks than it employs",[2] set about attempting to reform it. He changed disciplinary procedures, returned many detectives to uniform, made a number of television appearances praising the uniformed branch following student unrest and protests against the Vietnam War, and began to gather around him a group of loyal, ambitious uniformed officers who had not graduated from the old Hendon Police College.[1] The uniformed branch began to gain precedence and CID was increasingly put under uniformed command. In 1971, with Brodie, an old-school officer who commanded CID, out of the country, Mark formed A10, a special unit established to investigate corruption. Among those rooted out were Commander Kenneth Drury, head of the Flying Squad, and Detective Chief Superintendent Bill Moody, head of the Obscene Publications Squad and ironically also of the Anti-Corruption Squad. Both were jailed, along with several other officers, and nearly 500 more were dismissed or forced to resign.[1][3] In general, he was supported by the uniformed branch, who were themselves exasperated with CID corruption.[3]


Robert Mark would never have agreed to the corrupt, embarrassing and expensive charade that is Operation Grange

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Post by BlueBag on 24.11.16 5:49

I know this is about the Police, but good grief... the world that Stephen Port inhabited.

I refuse to celebrate this horrible seedy culture.

They can consent all they want, however they can't make me say it's normal, healthy or a thing to be appreciated.

I only found out about that meetup app recently when I watched an Australian debate with Peter Hitchens against liberals who were quite frankly off their rockers.

That app puts young vulnerable people in very dangerous situations.
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Post by willowthewisp on 24.11.16 15:16

The simple answer is yes,they have Run out of credibility a long time ago,when they "failed in their duties to convict the villains",you only need to Look at the unsolved Murder of Mr Morgan,found to have uncovered evidence of corrupt practices,associated to Rupert Murdoch?
No wonder the area commanders walk around with their heads in the air,to avoid the Nasty stenches?
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...potential 'high-level corruption'?

Post by Doug D on 24.11.16 15:30

Some figures at a national level from today:
 
Child sex abuse: Inquiries into claims of police failings
 
By Tom Symonds
Home Affairs correspondent
 
1 hour ago
From the section 
UK
 
The Independent Police Complaints Commission says it is handling 187 investigations into potential police failures in dealing with past child sex abuse cases in England and Wales.
 
A BBC Freedom of Information request revealed 27 completed inquiries have resulted in potential disciplinary action against up to 15 officers.
 
Eighteen forces are the subject of complaints about the handling of abuse.
 
These include what the IPCC has called potential "high-level corruption".
 
Of the investigations, 56 cases relate to alleged failures by South Yorkshire Police in responding to child sexual exploitation in Rotherham; 46 follow allegations against the Metropolitan Police, and 58 against Essex Police.
 
Historical cases
 
Julian Blazeby, the IPCC's director of major investigations, said: "We continue to receive referrals on police actions in child sexual abuse cases from forces across the country.
"The IPCC is committed to investigating the most sensitive and serious incidents of alleged police wrongdoing and many child sexual abuse cases fall within that remit."
Some of the cases date back decades and include damaging claims that investigations were brought to a halt despite evidence of abuse being uncovered.
 
In Rotherham, the 2014 report by Professor Alexis Jay revealed police suppressed evidence of the widespread sexual abuse of teenagers and failed to arrest the abusers.
 
In London, allegations also centre on investigations being halted and evidence suppressed.
 
They include claims that investigations were shut down prematurely or prosecutions not pursued because the suspects were politicians.
 
However, in May 2016 one claim - that a prosecution was stopped when a defendant threatened to name the former prime minister, Sir Edward Heath, as an abuser - was dismissed by the IPCC.
The suggestion that the powerful have been protected by the police is far from being proven.
 
The current allegations span 17 English police forces and one in Wales.
 
There are 84 independent IPCC inquiries - in which the commission directly investigates - under way, into:
 
            Avon and Somerset (Three cases)
            Cambridgeshire (One case)
            Cleveland (Four cases)
            Essex (Three cases)
            Greater Manchester (Two cases)
            Kent (One case)
            Leicestershire (One case)
            Merseyside (One case)
            Metropolitan Police (Three cases)
            National Crime Agency (One case)
            Northamptonshire (Two cases)
            South Wales (One case)
            South Yorkshire (53 cases)
            Sussex (One case)
            West Mercia (One case)
            West Midlands (Four cases)
            Wiltshire (Two cases)
 
There are 102 managed inquiries, in which the IPCC oversees internal police investigations, in four forces:
 
            Essex (55 cases)
            Metropolitan Police (43 cases)
            South Yorkshire (Three cases)
            West Mercia (One case)
 
There is one supervised case, in which IPCC managers monitor the internal police investigation, taking place at Norfolk Police.
 
The 27 completed cases have resulted in disciplinary action against two officers and disciplinary proceedings against 13 more.
 
The IPCC says it is liaising closely with the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse and Operation Hydrant, the police team co-ordinating child abuse investigations.
 
In an attempt to handle the increase in complex inquiries, the commission has created a new directorate of major investigations.
The National Police Chiefs' Council lead for child protection, Chief Constable Simon Bailey, said the police service has "risen to the challenge" in changing the way it engages with victims and how it investigates abuse.
 
But he added: "Although we have improved our response, there is still more to do. If there is concern that a victim hasn't received a full and impartial investigation into their allegations this should be referred to the force or IPCC to be scrutinised."
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38086476
 
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Are the Met, SYP and Essex really so much worse than the rest or is this just the tip of the iceberg with so much more to come?

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Post by willowthewisp on 25.11.16 11:17

Hi DougD,I think what needs to be asked is it down to"Incompetence" or has there been down to Negligence or have they followed a"system"they knew would be uncovered eventually,but most of the"Criminals or their behaviour"would be beyond a level of reproach after escaping proper Investigations when the Offences may have been Committed?
How many former Commanders of the Police Force passed on"Poisoned Chalices"to the New Commanders,doing a"Dave"tum te tum walk out of the Door moment,now "deep breaths everyone and breathe out"?
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Post by MayMuse on 27.11.16 12:32

from wiki leaks in 2010
If this is true and Uk police had developed evidence why was it stopped? 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11988094

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