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Post by BlueBag on 02.11.16 16:57

I'm suspicious.

The establishment now appear to have handed Trump the Presidency on a plate.

Treasonous Hilary has become unelectable.

I'm glad the criminal Clinton isn't going to get it - but this seems too easy.

Someone OK'ed the latest FBI move.

My theory is that the establishment is happy to see him take over. They will then crash the system and the establishment will come to the rescue whilst Trump gets the blame.

Then it's business as usual.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Roxyroo on 02.11.16 19:13

Maybe they think Trump will be the best to put the spin on the next financial crash, which looks to be far worse than the last.
On today's UkColumn they were discussing the recent police drills to cope with rioters on UK streets, do the PTB think we,re heading for a Venezuelan style collapse?

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Re: President Trump

Post by sar on 03.11.16 1:46

Be anything, just don't be surprised, stock up on water, canned good etc, this is going to get very unpleasant!

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Post by April28th on 03.11.16 10:42

@sar wrote:Be anything, just don't be surprised, stock up on water, canned good etc, this is going to get very unpleasant!

No, that'd be if Hillary got in.

Trump is a lot more canny than people give him credit for. Hillary has been unelectable for months, its only now that the tide is so high that they can't spin it anymore. I've yet to see a genuine, die in the wool Hillary supporter - plenty of small rallies, poor turnouts and support from fellow democrats (even Bernie Sanders, what must he be feeling inside).

I take any change in tide with the media with a huge pinch of salt. Making it a foregone conclusion creates apathy, meaning less people will feel the need to vote.

The combination of Brexit and Trump as President in the same year would be a fantastic thing, but I still feel as though the fix is in for Hillary.
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Re: President Trump

Post by BlueBag on 03.11.16 10:48

The icing on the cake for Clinton... George Bush is going to vote for her!!!

Brilliant.

If people don't get what the cartel is now then they never will.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Richard IV on 03.11.16 13:26

I`d not understood all this separate server business but just realised its because of FOI requests not finding out about her dirty dealings.

The Haiti charity grab first got me interested - 90% going to the Clinton Foundation and all their donors - only 5% to the Haitians.

Latest revelations coming out via Wikileaks is Pay to Play emails.

There`s a list as long as your arm of all the crimes her and her entourage have committed.



ETA - Have you noticed how the BBC is biased towards Hillary?  Last night`s world service had an american official on saying there`s no way the people that have already voted can change their minds, yet Donald Trump as well as Fox News are saying there are 5 States where this is allowed.
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President Trump meets Oligark Putin?

Post by willowthewisp on 03.11.16 14:29

Is this the"Infamous WW3".Armageddon moment being played out by the"Original Power Brokers" East Versus West all over again?
George Bush backing Hillary Clinton,after the Clinton's helped or had an extremely close association to Donald Trump,who is now supposed to be a Republican,who has built an Empire of Workers in Foreign Countries,supplying cheaper Products to American Residents/Voters?
Now "Stating,America first"after not paying any taxes to the American Government for decades and usurping to the Voters of how it was such a "Smart,clever,business Acumen"whilst your own people are facing Economic decline by the person making Millions for his Clan Family?

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Re: President Trump

Post by BlueBag on 03.11.16 14:44

There's lots of money in a new cold war.

There's more in a hot one.

There's also control by fear and hunting for reds under the bed (anyone who disagrees with Government).

Hillary is a tiger for war, hot or cold.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Tony Bennett on 04.11.16 9:51

Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump: The state of the polls today (4 Nov) according to the BBC:

CLINTON 45%

TRUMP 45%

Chart showing how the gap has narrowed in the last 3 weeks:   http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37450661

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Re: President Trump

Post by BlueBag on 04.11.16 10:10

The polls are meaningless.
They can say whatever is needed by asking the right groups of people.
There has been a lot of fixing of the polls going on.
So that when the fixed election is called and it's close people won't question it.
Electronic voting with no way for people to check their votes is just asking for trouble. And trouble there will be.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Tony Bennett on 04.11.16 10:36

@BlueBag wrote:Electronic voting with no way for people to check their votes is just asking for trouble. And trouble there will be.


You may be interested to know that I am Chairman of the Ballot Box Society which basically advocates the Ballot Box and a stubby pencil as the ONLY safe method of voting, apart from postal votes for those genuinely unable to vote at a polling station due to ill-health, disability or absence on holiday. This is the first part of a long report I wrote back in 2004 opposing the vast extension of postal voting. My report included 56 specific examples or blatant, large-scale abuse of postal voting, Almost every one was in areas with a substantial proportion of Pakistanis. They bring their cultural habits with them.


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FROM BALLOT BOX TO FIASCO

An interim analysis of the problems caused by trying to phase out the Ballot Box - and why alternative voting methods must cease now  


         A Submission to the Policy Review Department of the Electoral

          Commission by the Ballot Box Society, with special reference

                    to the current evaluation of postal voting trials                                     

                                           July 2004   

        Author:  Tony Bennett M.A.  Chairman of the Ballot Box Society
 


1. Introduction
 

1.1   The Ballot Box Society was formed in 2002 out of growing concern that the government, supported by the two other main parties, was rushing headlong into embracing alternative voting methods, placing the continued existence of the ballot box - and all its benefits - at risk. 
1.2    Since then, the government ( again supported by the other two parties) has enthusiastically pursued postal voting as the voting method they clealy prefer. 
1.3  The government recently decided - against the advice of the Electoral Commission - to hold postal ballots in four regions in the European Parliament elections on 10 June. This exercise, together with postal ballots in many local elections on the same day, revealed huge problems with postal voting, some of which we discuss in our report. 
1.4  The government has, to date,  successfully tried to portray these problems as merely ‘little local difficulties’. Our report shows just how many serious problems of postal voting have been - and continue to be -  swept under the carpet. It also reveals that the abuse of postal voting is on the increase, with a full-scale riot this year in  Birmingham reported by that city’s Evening Mail. That worsening situation becomes clear by examining our ‘geographical round–up’, below, of problems caused by postal voting. 
1.5  The Ballot Box Society believes that the interests of the British people are best served by the ballot box remaining the sole method of voting – apart, that is, from continuing the facility of postal voting for those unable to vote in person due to disability or absence. The Society consists of ordinary people and its only income is from membership fees and donations. An application for registration with the Charity Commissioners as a charity is in preparation. 
1.6  The Electoral Commission has invited submissions from the public on alternative voting methods and we are pleased to take this opportunity to put forward our views, which we believe are representative of the views of very many British people.   
1.7   Incidentally, we do not support the creation of the Electoral Commission, which we believe should be abolished. The British election process ran perfectly well before its creation. The annual cost of the Commission has ballooned to around £9 million a year. Its independence from government is very doubtful since the top appointments were made by the Labour government and some of the appointees to the Commission are known to have been very close to New Labour. Extraordinarily, despite the serious abuses of postal voting in the past and the known problems with it this year, the Electoral Commission has already committed itself to recommending an extension of postal voting in the future. 
1.8  Parliament is perfectly capable of running elections and deciding on any reform of voting procedures and the holding of elections that may be necessary without the help of an expensive Commission. In any case, what is the point of a Commission making recommendations on elections if the government simply ignores them? The Commission made a very clear recommendation that postal ballots should proceed in only two European regions on 10 June this year. The government wanted to run postal ballots in four, did so, and therefore completely ignored the Commission’s recommendations. 
1.9  The government’s clear preference for postal voting, despite the serious problems associated with it, is said to be because it ‘increases turnout’. We believe that the drive to extend postal voting is mainly because the government is concerned about lower voter turnout, which we interpret as a resulting from a combination of voter apathy and disillusionment with the performance and conduct of our political representatives.    
1.10  In our final report, which we hope to publish during August, we shall be examining this claim much more closely. Many spurious claims have been made that turnout has improved significantly due to postal voting. 
1.11  One of the most dishonest was the recent claim by John Prescott, Deputy Prime Minister, that ‘More than a million extra people voted in the four areas where postal voting was trialled in the June 2004 European Parliamentary elections’, improving the turnout, it was said, from around 20% to 27%. This illustrates just how dishonest it can be to peddle half-truths. For the real story was that the turnout increased just as much in the other regions where there was no postal voting - a fact we trust that the Electoral Commission will bring out in its report on postal voting.  Nearly all political commentators agreed that the real reason for the increased turnout was the greater publicity for the United Kingdom Independence Party which gave voters a real choice. Their vote rose from around 700,000 in 1999 to 2,650,000 in 2004. 
1.12   Similarly, where there has been an increase in voter turnout associated with postal voting, more often than not this turns out to have been due to these elections having been more intensely contested than usual for one reason or another. It might have been an unusually strongly fought election because the outcome was close, or there may have been local issues of interest. Or the Council concerned may simply have publicised the whole election process far more widely than usual whilst at the same time also promoting postal voting. In some areas, postal voting has had no apparent effect on turnout and in some areas turnout has actually declined. This suggests very strongly that postal voting has had only a marginal influence on voter turnout.
1.13  The Electoral Commission to date has given far too much weight to apparent increases in turnout associated with postal voting and appears to have failed to systematically analyse in depth all those postal voting trials to extract what the figures say about the contribution to an increased turnout made just by the switch to postal voting. 
2.  Recommendations and Reasons
 

2.1  We have no hesitation in concluding that the evidence from all the postal vote trials to date mean that the government should now abandon postal voting. It should revert to the previous situation where postal voting was allowed only where voters are too inform, ill or disabled to vote or will be away on holiday or business. 
2.2  The reasons for our recommendation can be found simply by reading through the appalling examples of abuse, fraud, intimidation, attempted bribery, vote-selling and even rioting associated with postal voting which we list below (a list of 56 entries that is still being added to as we are continuing to preparing for our final report). We summarise the reasons for our recommendations below:
[REST OF LONG REPORT SNIPPED]

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Re: President Trump

Post by BlueBag on 04.11.16 11:01

I 100% agree.

Paper and pencil is the safest way, although not totally foolproof.

No postal votes, no electronic voting.

I also think proof of identity should be required and always think it crazy that it is never asked for.
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Post by willowthewisp on 04.11.16 11:48

Anyone see QT,Thursday 3 Nov 2016,taking up most of the Program,3 Judges decision on Brexit and who will be the next American President?
Mr. Javed had No shame on his face either after members of the Audience had uncovered the real ruse,was saving Mrs Thatchers,Conservatives Name of what South Yorkshire Police had undertaken at Her(Margaret's)request at Orgreve in 1984,to defeat the Working Class Miners!
He had little to say about the lives destroyed,destruction of these Communities and this was his role in Government today,"Communities Minister"that were decimated by his former Conservative Government friends?
Talk about a polished performance,the only thing left gleaming was his Baled pallet from the studio lights?

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Re: President Trump

Post by Richard IV on 04.11.16 15:48

Beware of slick talkers. David Cameron was one as is Hillary Clinton.
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Re: President Trump

Post by BlueBag on 07.11.16 7:13

I don't believe it.

The fix is well and truly in.

Well done Comey.... traitor to the American people.

Will the people believe this obvious FBI BS?

Probably.

I hope it backfires on her.

It's obvious corruption at the highest level.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Red herring on 07.11.16 7:28

Convenient isn't it?

How could the FBI have read all those emails in such a short space of time?

But as they've pointed out on the news many people will already have voted so hopefully it's too late for Clinton.

This whole campaign has been rigged from the start. Dirty tactics.

And funny how none of the women who accused Trump of sexual misconduct came forward before the election campaign. Not saying it didn't happen, but the timing is a bit suspicious.
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Re: President Trump

Post by BlueBag on 07.11.16 7:37

Trump needs to up the game today.

He needs to go for the jugular.

Promise LOUDLY that Hillary and Comey will be investigated properly if he gets elected.
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Post by willowthewisp on 07.11.16 12:32

@BlueBag wrote:Trump needs to up the game today.

He needs to go for the jugular.

Promise LOUDLY that Hillary and Comey will be investigated properly if he gets elected.
Do not forget Bluebag,Donald is likely to be heard in a Court of Law in the USA on November 28 2016,now is that on Rape allegations,groping or Tax evasion?  It doesn't matter who wins in the Presidential race,because both of these candidates have some big skeletons rattling around from their dubious past,but I guess if you can leave behind USA ambassador and Soldiers behind in Libya to suffer a violent Death,like they did(Hillary,O'Bama)then they have suspect Morals to say the least?

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Re: President Trump

Post by BlueBag on 07.11.16 18:31

Hillary's crimes far outweigh Trump's.

There is no contest.
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Re: President Trump

Post by April28th on 07.11.16 20:31

'Lack of criminality in the emails' is really not saying anything.

It was the existence of, obfuscation of, and HIGHLY unsecure treatment of official emails that was the crime (massive threat to national security, no matter how much she wants to blame Russia, she was the one with an unsecure server in her outhouse). Finding malfeasance in the emails was never the 'main' issue.

That said, this coming out as it did - and ending so fast, basically right before polling day - has to raise eyebrows. As said up thread you dont read that many emails that fast, and if you knew about them already, why was it imperative to make it public with about 6 days until you knew you were wrapping up?

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Re: President Trump

Post by Verdi on 07.11.16 20:46

I actually agree with quite a lot of Trumps radical notions, although I'm not sure he's the right man for the job - bit of a loose cannon but maybe that's what the US of A needs right now.  By fair means or foul, he is a highly successful business man so he'll at least know the tricks of the trade, a distinct advantage in my opinion.  Has Clinton ever achieved anything positive as Secretary of State, or has she only made volatile situations positively explosive?

Out of the two, I'd vote for Trump any day,  I wouldn't trust Hilary Clinton with my goldfish.  Whenever a female candidate is the offing, irrespective of their ability to do the job, it always attracts a feminist following which is wrong - it should be about aptitude not attitude.

The clock is ticking..

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Re: President Trump

Post by Richard IV on 07.11.16 21:05

It`s said the FBI will still be investigating the Clinton Foundation - I hope that`s correct.  They have used a so called charity to line their own pockets (and pay for Chelsea Clinton`s wedding plus pay her living expenses for one year).

The FBI should also be investigating the Clinton`s Pay To Play set up - so dodgy.  What a corrupt world they`ve manufactured.

Donald Trump does not have big donors that he has to pander to.
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Re: President Trump

Post by April28th on 07.11.16 21:28



Is this who we want in control of the US? Just imagine her lax attitude to her machinations towards Russia when she actually has the power to make them actionable.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Verdi on 07.11.16 23:12


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Re: President Trump

Post by April28th on 07.11.16 23:19

Hillary said of Putin at one of her rallies 'he was a KGB agent, by definition he has no soul'.

Putin responded 'I don't have a soul? At least I have a brain.'

Hillary has described how any cyber activities from Russia will be considered acts of war. At the same time, it's been said how the US has dormant malware placed in strategic areas of Russian databases/security etc.

Remind me again, who is the aggressor?
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