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***'Kos dig' starts 26 Sep 2016*** (was: Kerry Needham 'prepared for worst' by investigators)

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Post by Roxyroo on 29.09.16 21:42

@aquila wrote:A handy ancient burial site of archeological/historical interest.

A few dog and bat bones.

A drain/cesspit inspection.

A relatively new fig tree.

A shoe being reconstructed by a Greek cobbler.

A team of Greek/UK police, a US Body Farm specialist, a Scottish forensic laboratory and super duper new forensic techniques.

A mass of Press photography, even allowing the UK Press into the farm house.

That's it so far.


Does anyone else feel like there's some kind of message being spelled out here?
I feel worst fr Kerry as I actually believe she's genuine, if parts of Bens story have been "acquisitioned" by other forces who knows, but I've always felt that her story is the truth.
Hope closure comes soon


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Re: ***'Kos dig' starts 26 Sep 2016*** (was: Kerry Needham 'prepared for worst' by investigators)

Post by jeanmonroe on 30.09.16 1:13

@ChippyM

'It does all seem like a repeat of the portugal digs so far....minus the dogs.'

Does anyone here 'know' WHY there are no 'dogs' out there?

Ex DCI Redwood took 4 'dogs' to PDL, i believe. (All 'way better' than Eddie and Keela 'apparently')

WHY are 'no dogs' being used in Ben 'search'?

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Post by sallypelt on 30.09.16 10:18

The more I read about this latest dig, the more questions are popping into my mind. Let's go back to 1991 and examine the initial claims about what happened.

1) Kerry Needam's Grandparents were looking after Ben whilst his mum, Kerry, was out working.
2) Around 2:20 PM Ben had "gone quite", so the grandparent/s went outside to see where he was
3) When they couldn't find Ben, they ASSUMED that Stephen had take Ben on his (Stephen's) scooter,  and it wasn't until THREE HOURS later that the police were informed.

Now, I have a problem with some of the above. Take the ASSUMING that Ben had gone with his uncle..........nah!  Putting myself in Ben's grandparents place,  as soon as I discovered that the child was nowhere to be seen, I would have been frantic, and each minute would have felt like eternity. There would be no waiting for Stephen to return. I would have been out there immediately, searching every place that he could possibly be.

Coming back to the present day, another question is, if Dino was digging well away from the farmhouse that Ben's grandparents were in, why are they digging so close to that farmhouse, today? Did Dino take his digger there that day, and if so, Why?  At whose request? Moreover, if Ben was "crushed" close to the farmhouse, the grandparents would KNOW about it.

So, what happened in that 3 hour window, from the time Ben was discovered missing and the police being informed?  Something isn't adding up, but I am aware that we aren't in possession of the full story, and the above is only me thinking out loud.

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Post by kaz on 30.09.16 10:26

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:
@kaz wrote:
@MayMuse wrote:Shocked bigshock  Decomposition 
Bat
Dog
Cess pit waste ( containing nutrients consisting of decomposition of "something") 


Bring in the DOGS!!!

Good Grief!
Nice thought but we all know that dogs can easily confuse a coconut shell with a part of a skull don't we? Just ask Lenny Harper.
As Martin Grime said about that: 'People aren't right 100 per cent of the time. Otherwise they wouldn't be human.'
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00.02.58 Eddie is now reacting very strongly and indicating to us that the scent of dead human flesh is in this location. This is where we were to find JAR/6, which the establishment continue to say was only coconut, but cannot explain how Eddie reacted as he did, nor indeed, how the lab at Oxford found Collagen.

Collagen is not found in coconut or wood, it is only present in mammals, which would seem to destroy the claims of the Jersey establishment, aided and abetted by the Jersey Evening Post and Channel Television, that JAR/6 is coconut or wood. Again, it is worthy of recall, that the builders who found the bones at this location thought they were human, and that one of them actually identified a bone as that of a child’s pelvic bone from the internet. Additionally, the police officer who was called to the scene was also dubious of the bones’ origins, as was the female pathologist who attended. She “did not like” the situation and referred the matter to her boss who said the bones where not consistent with being human. However, an Anthropologist later stated that he was incorrect and the measurements he quoted were entirely consistent with the bones being children’s’ pelvic bones as identified by one of the builders. The Anthropologist further stated that the Pathologist was not qualified to make the statement that he had.............................................

Just wanted to clarify that I have the utmost respect for Lenny Harper and probably didn't make that  point well enough. It seems to me that 'bringing in the dogs' is pretty pointless when their trained reactions can just be rubbished like this. As Freud said, '' One bark for for yes, two barks for no.'' Who's going to believe them? It seems to me bringing in the dogs in these cases  was just a  token exercise so what was the point of it in the McCann affair? Keela and Martin Grimes both times.
Apologies if this is straying from the thread a little .

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Today's developments

Post by aquila on 30.09.16 10:36

Ben Needham police asked to STOP digging by landowner due to "issues"

The landowner and his lawyer have arrived at the farmland and told the Daily Mirror that there are "issues" over police carrying on digging


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ben-needham-missing-police-dig-8946430
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Post by sallypelt on 30.09.16 10:41

@aquila wrote:Ben Needham police asked to STOP digging by landowner due to "issues"

The landowner and his lawyer have arrived at the farmland and told the Daily Mirror that there are "issues" over police carrying on digging




http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ben-needham-missing-police-dig-8946430
Yes, DL Cousins is off to court to get permission to continue the search. Moreover, Kerry Needam will meet with police today, so she and her family can be informed of progress.

I feel it's going to be a fast-moving day, in this case, and I continue to be optimistic that this will solve the 25 year old mystery of what happened to Ben, and give Kerry and her family closure.

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Post by aquila on 30.09.16 11:00

@sallypelt wrote:
@aquila wrote:Ben Needham police asked to STOP digging by landowner due to "issues"

The landowner and his lawyer have arrived at the farmland and told the Daily Mirror that there are "issues" over police carrying on digging






http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ben-needham-missing-police-dig-8946430
Yes, DL Cousins is off to court to get permission to continue the search. Moreover, Kerry Needam will meet with police today, so she and her family can be informed of progress.

I feel it's going to be a fast-moving day, in this case, and I continue to be optimistic that this will solve the 25 year old mystery of what happened to Ben, and give Kerry and her family closure.
I don't think it's as simple as that Sallypelt.  For starters it's not clear what jurisdiction UK police have, the Greek police are saying very little, the media are being briefed by UK police who made the media aware there was an archaeologist involved in the team as there was a site of archaeological interest in the area of the dig. I somehow don't think UK police are going anywhere near a Greek court to ask for permission to dig and will be not only listened to but awarded said permission. It's for the Greek police to do that.

Today's latest news is probably true but not unexpected - remember everyone was pre-warned about the archaeological importance of the site (which incidentally isn't at the farmhouse). If you think the legal system in Portugal is slow you'd be equally frustrated by the Greek system.

Of course, this latest development might be a bit of bluster but as a confirmed cynic I'm not buying it  - well not yet anyway.




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Post by sallypelt on 30.09.16 11:08

This is turning into one hell of a dig for a missing toddler who may have been  inadvertently crushed and buried:



Has the archeological find taken precedent?

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Post by sallypelt on 30.09.16 11:17

Two photographs to compare:




I can't get my head around why this is an area if interest, so close to the house, when the claim is that Ben was hit by a digger, when the digger, apparently, was nowhere near the house.


Get that humble pie ready, I am about to eat!

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Post by MayMuse on 30.09.16 12:17

@sallypelt wrote:Two photographs to compare:




I can't get my head around why this is an area if interest, so close to the house, when the claim is that Ben was hit by a digger, when the digger, apparently, was nowhere near the house.


Get that humble pie ready, I am about to eat!
Beggars belief! 
This is why I believe that nothing will be found. 

Anyone else feel it's just a "farcical" mess? 

Whether you or I eat humble pie, we could always add a little cream winkwink


(Something or nothing to add, Roman aspects were found, I believe, under the Murat villa by radar? )

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Post by BlueBag on 30.09.16 12:31

Is this the same house?



It's a farce if it is.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 30.09.16 13:41

@sallypelt wrote:The more I read about this latest dig, the more questions are popping into my mind. Let's go back to 1991 and examine the initial claims about what happened.

1) Kerry Needam's grandparents were looking after Ben whilst his mum, Kerry, was out working.
2) Around 2:20 PM Ben had "gone quiet", so the grandparent/s went outside to see where he was
3) When they couldn't find Ben, they ASSUMED that Stephen had take Ben on his (Stephen's) scooter,  and it wasn't until THREE HOURS later that the police were informed.

Now, I have a problem with some of the above. Take the ASSUMING that Ben had gone with his uncle...nah!  Putting myself in Ben's grandparents place, as soon as I discovered that the child was nowhere to be seen, I would have been frantic, and each minute would have felt like eternity. There would be no waiting for Stephen to return. I would have been out there immediately, searching every place that he could possibly be.

So, what happened in that 3 hour window, from the time Ben was discovered missing and the police being informed?  Something isn't adding up, but I am aware that we aren't in possession of the full story, and the above is only me thinking out loud.
@ sallypelt        I think your questions are very much along the right lines.

And here's another two. Would Stephen have roared off his bike without either (e) telling his Mum and Dad where he was going, and roughly when he would be back and (b) making sure Ben was with his Mum and Dad before he left?
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Post by willowthewisp on 30.09.16 14:07

@MayMuse wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:Two photographs to compare:




I can't get my head around why this is an area if interest, so close to the house, when the claim is that Ben was hit by a digger, when the digger, apparently, was nowhere near the house.


Get that humble pie ready, I am about to eat!
Beggars belief! 
This is why I believe that nothing will be found. 

Anyone else feel it's just a "farcical" mess? 

Whether you or I eat humble pie, we could always add a little cream winkwink


(Something or nothing to add, Roman aspects were found, I believe, under the Murat villa by radar? )
Ref; Pic 1991-2016 Farm house rebuild?
Not safe to assume,Tree position(1991) to where the lighter 3 door newer building,but did they Knock down the Old farm house to construct the "New one"as the second picture is out of line to original Building,or it is a bad angled photograph?
as where the police can be seen excavating is further to the left of the second pic?
This may account for a digger in 1991,if the older building was demolished in that process? Mr Barkas working on the lump,when he was supposedly elsewhere!?
Pic with Police inside excavation,looks as though original foundation stones,though i maybe wrong,Bluebag 12.30 pic/post?

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Post by BlueBag on 30.09.16 15:20

@willowthewisp wrote:

Pic with Police inside excavation,looks as though original foundation stones,though i maybe wrong,Bluebag 12.30 pic/post?
The picture is from The Mirror link earlier in the thread.

If that is the farmhouse that the Needhams were renovating in 1991 then I don't get why they are digging there.

It would have been an obvious place to look back then if there was a hole or signs of a VERY recently filled in hole.

Not something anyone could miss.
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Post by MayMuse on 30.09.16 17:23

@BlueBag wrote:Is this the same house?



It's a farce if it is.
Do we know if  the grey stone building is to the right hand side is attached, or another property? 
If this is the same farmhouse was it renovated to that standard before the Needhams left?

It seems very confusing, why dig that deep as surely it would have been noticed in 1991 if any earth/land had been disturbed that close to the property? 
Or is this the archaeological dig site?

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Post by BlueBag on 30.09.16 17:45

@MayMuse wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Is this the same house?



It's a farce if it is.
Do we know if  the grey stone building is to the right hand side is attached, or another property? 
If this is the same farmhouse was it renovated to that standard before the Needhams left?

It seems very confusing, why dig that deep as surely it would have been noticed in 1991 if any earth/land had been disturbed that close to the property? 
Or is this the archaeological dig site?
This is definitely the Police and it is definitely the Needhams renovated house.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ben-needham-missing-police-dig-8946430

Watch the second video down in the mirror report (where the Poice are raking excavated soil) and at the end the camera turns around and you see the dig and the house.

This is absolutely crazy unless the family are suspects.
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Post by MayMuse on 30.09.16 17:59

Thanks,Ive now watched the video; so that dig is actually not right against the property it's further away on the land. 
So if it is the case of Barkas when did he supposedly come on to that part of the land to dig? I thought it was his own land he was digging and Ben may have toddled off towards there; I may have got confused here just trying to clear it in my own mind. 

I can see now that the grey building is separate. 

It does appear that the police are doing a thorough job, so it's a waiting game ... excruciating for the family.

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Post by BlueBag on 30.09.16 18:21

@MayMuse wrote:Thanks,Ive now watched the video; so that dig is actually not right against the property it's further away on the land. 
No.. the dig IS right up against the house.

The raking is on soil that has been removed from the hole by the house.

They needed space to do that.

This is mad.
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Post by Nina on 30.09.16 18:49

@BlueBag wrote:Is this the same house?



It's a farce if it is.
That excavation has solid blocked sides, and another view up the thread by Sallypelt shows a different angle. This looks very like the septic tank we had built for our property in Spain. It certainly isn't just a hole.

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Post by MayMuse on 30.09.16 18:54

@BlueBag wrote:
@MayMuse wrote:Thanks,Ive now watched the video; so that dig is actually not right against the property it's further away on the land. 
No.. the dig IS right up against the house.

The raking is on soil that has been removed from the hole by the house.

They needed space to do that.

This is mad.
Thanks for explaining, it is all very odd IMO

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Post by MayMuse on 30.09.16 18:55

@Nina wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Is this the same house?



It's a farce if it is.
That excavation has solid blocked sides, and another view up the thread by Sallypelt shows a different angle. This looks very like the septic tank we had built for our property in Spain. It certainly isn't just a hole.
Would that explain the cess pit one and the same?

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Post by Nina on 30.09.16 19:01

@MayMuse wrote:
@Nina wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Is this the same house?



It's a farce if it is.
That excavation has solid blocked sides, and another view up the thread by Sallypelt shows a different angle. This looks very like the septic tank we had built for our property in Spain. It certainly isn't just a hole.
Would that explain the cess pit one and the same?
It could do MayMuse. I have just noticed there is a wc outlet coming from the building in that direction but cannot see if it enters that void as the chap is in the way. Our one was built with bricks so lots of gaps for the liquids to soak into the land around it. It was the gaps between the blocks which made me think septic tank.

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Post by willowthewisp on 30.09.16 19:13

@Nina wrote:
@MayMuse wrote:
@Nina wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Is this the same house?



It's a farce if it is.
That excavation has solid blocked sides, and another view up the thread by Sallypelt shows a different angle. This looks very like the septic tank we had built for our property in Spain. It certainly isn't just a hole.
Would that explain the cess pit one and the same?
It could do MayMuse. I have just noticed there is a wc outlet coming from the building in that direction but cannot see if it enters that void as the chap is in the way. Our one was built with bricks so lots of gaps for the liquids to soak into the land around it. It was the gaps between the blocks which made me think septic tank.
Well I do not think you could have hand dug this Cesspit,if that is what it is,so some machinery must have been used in this process depth?

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Post by MayMuse on 30.09.16 19:18

Dig resumed today, looks like it is still by the end side of the property, I think?  
Video of digger etc. 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/video/search-ben-needham-resumes-today-8949886

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Post by Nina on 30.09.16 19:34

@MayMuse wrote:Dig resumed today, looks like it is still by the end side of the property, I think?  
Video of digger etc. 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/video/search-ben-needham-resumes-today-8949886
The last few seconds show a very straight edged hole. I am confident it is a septic tank/cesspit.
However, if it had been an active one it would have had a cover. Looks to me that it was an incomplete tank that was then filled back in with soil/rubble.

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