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Murat revisted: 2 - How did he become a PJ translator?

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Re: Murat revisted: 2 - How did he become a PJ translator?

Post by Roxyroo on 19.08.16 12:37

Verdi wrote:Minister of Justice
POLICIA JUDICIARIA
Portimao Department of Criminal Investigation

Of the many elements collected, and pointing out, that at this moment in the investigation, the occurrence of an unusual situation, relative to an individual identified as Robert James Queriol Eveleigh Murat.

This individual, voluntarily, went to the GNR post alleging that he was an interpreter of the English language, and could be useful in helping to realise diligences. He was directed to the elements of this police which were at the locale.
Right on this day and on the following days, he helped in various diligences realised by this police, namely in the inquires of the British functionaries of the LOC.

At this point in time we noted immediately a strange comportment, especially with the press/media, alleging that he did not want to be photographed, or to make allusions to this
presence.

We stress that at this time, we were contacted by various journalists, who alleged that they had noticed his strange comportment, and that he showed himself to be extremely curious. When they tired to capture his picture, he repudiated this vehemently, alleging that he was father to a little girl, the same age as Madeleine and was in the middle of a divorce.

Confronted with this incoherent comportment, Robert Murat, showed much nervousness and offered to stop providing services, if that was our desire.

For the investigative strategy, in order to better control and collect relevant elements, we opted to continue to use his services. Also via communication with the Leicester police authorities, the locale where the McCann family lives in the U.K., we were informed that an English reporter had suspicions regarding Robert, for the reason of his evasive comportment when she tried to take his picture and from a telephone call, which he said was to his daughter, making it in a loud voice, as if he wanted to demonstrate something.


Portimao, 13th May, 2007
The Inspector - Joao Carlos

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

Well now, that's a very juicy snippet, he didn't want to be filmed/photographed! Sounds very spy like to me.
All this skullduggery, and still no justice for Madeleine McCann!

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Robert Murat,Patsy?

Post by willowthewisp on 19.08.16 12:47

Robert Murat is supposed to have let one of his Cars to an English Couple to be used with "Madeleine Posters"fixed within the Car,according to the Hire agent worker,Maria Rocio,where Mr Murat desperately needed to Hire an Hyundi Getz?
As per a daily"Mirror" article now Whooooshed away,Mr Murat was just being an Helpful Soul wasn't he?
Wonder which one of the Three cars allowed to be used to advertise Madeleine's disappearance,his Kia?

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Post by sallypelt on 19.08.16 13:03

willowthewisp wrote:Robert Murat is supposed to have let one of his Cars to an English Couple to be used with "Madeleine Posters"fixed within the Car,according to the Hire agent worker,Maria Rocio,where Mr Murat desperately needed to Hire an Hyundi Getz?
As per a daily"Mirror" article now Whooooshed away,Mr Murat was just being an Helpful Soul wasn't he?
Wonder which one of the Three cars allowed to be used to advertise Madeleine's disappearance,his Kia?




http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/murat-needed-a-hire-car-in-a-hurry-475803

snipped from above article:


"Hire firm worker Maria Rocio says Murat rang her on Saturday and asked to rent a Hyundai Getz for three days, insisting he needed it immediately and could not wait".

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Re: Murat revisted: 2 - How did he become a PJ translator?

Post by NickE on 19.08.16 14:41

Michaela Walczuch
--- Between 12:00 and 12.15 pm ROBERT phoned a Mr. JORGE Sxxxx, the witness believing that he used his mobile phone 91918xxxx, admitting however that Robert may have used any one of the mobile phones of the witness. She does not remember what she did or where she went by between the 11:00 and 12:00. They then went with Jorge Sxxxx and his son JASON to the Restaurant Antonio on the beach of Porto Mos - Lagos, where they had lunch.
--- Around 15:30 she went with ROBERT to get Cxxxxxxxx from school. 

Then, as far as she recalls, they went to her house, and that Robert left between 18:30 and 19:00 as the witness had to deal with her daughter quickly for them to be at 20:30 in a biblical meeting/lecture in Ameijeira-Lagos. That ended at 22:30, she staying there to fraternise with other people until they reached home at 22:45/23:00. She used the dark blue VW PASSAT car (more than 10 years old) of LUIS, who was at home. 
When they left at 20:20 LUIS was not yet at home. 
She does not remember if she returned to speak to Robert that night, nor if they exchanged messages. She did not leave home, going to to bed.



Jorge Da Silva
On the following day May 3rd they met at the South West bar in Lagos marina at about 11.30. He does not remember whether Robert or Michaela phoned him to ask for the meeting or if they had agreed upon it the day before. The witness and J**** went to the place on foot. When they arrived Michaela and Robert were already there. 
They talked there for half an hour, but as it was very noisy, Robert suggested they went elsewhere. 
The four of them left in the VW transporter to Palmares Golf, about 5 minutes away by car, a place where the witness and his son had never been. They remained there conversing for about 3 hours, very much at the insistence of Robert. In spite of the witness and his son being hungry, Robert prolonged the conversation, saying that he was not hungry. Only at about 16.00 did Robert and Michaela drop the witness and his son near to their shop. On that day they had no further contact, neither personally or by phone.


....and Michaela states that she and Murat left from Restaurant Antonio at 15:30 to pick up Cxxxxxxxx from school and after that they went home in a VW Passat.
She doesn´t say anything about Palmares golf club.


...and Da Silva states that they left  from The South West bar to for Palmeres GC at ~12:00 with Murat and Michaela in a VW Transporter and they drop him and his son at 16:00


Someone is lying.

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Re: Murat revisted: 2 - How did he become a PJ translator?

Post by Verdi on 21.08.16 13:20

Interesting to note that Robert Murat did not act as interpreter for any on the Tapas group according to the witness statements.  The only anomalies are the following which do not identify the name of an interpreter..

Fiona Payne - 4th May 2007
Matthew Oldfield - 10th May 2007
Dianne Webster - 11th May 2007
Rachael Oldfield - 11th May 2007

Off the top of my head, I know he was the interpreter used for the Catriona Baker (6th May 2007) and Charlotte Pennington (7th May 2007) interviews - I will check out others later.

What immediately springs to mind is why, when he allegedly walked in the police station on 4th May to offer his services as translator/interpreter, was he not used to assist on that day and the following week.  I know that there was reference to his suspicious behaviour someway connected with a Dianne Webster interview (posted up-page), so it's possible he interpreted for the above mentioned and for some reason his name was omitted.

This element requires more scrutiny I think.

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Ref; Murat,Patsy?

Post by willowthewisp on 21.08.16 13:58

Hi Verdi,(RM) was the Translator for the fitness instructor,Miss Chekaya, Quiz Night Hostess Sunday 29th April and Tuesday 1st May 2007!

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Re: Murat revisted: 2 - How did he become a PJ translator?

Post by Verdi on 22.08.16 20:12

willowthewisp wrote:Hi Verdi,(RM) was the Translator for the fitness instructor,Miss Chekaya, Quiz Night Hostess Sunday 29th April and Tuesday 1st May 2007!
Thankee villowdasvisp  howdy   all donations gratefully received

On with the motley..

Hayley May Crawford:  Pool bar worker - 7th May 2007
George James: Gardener - 12th May
Amy Tierney - 6th May
John Sholto Young:  Bar Worker - 8th May
Emma Wilding:  Child Care worker - 7th May
Jacqueline Mary Williams:  Pre-school teacher - 8th May
Kirsty Maryan:  Child educator - 7th May
Leanne Danielle Wagstaff:  Nanny - 6th May
Lynne Rhiannon Fretter:  Child educator - 7th May
 Pauline Frances McCann:  Infant educator - 7th May
Shinead Maria Vine:  Nanny - 7th May
Stacey Portz:  Creche worker - 6th May
Susan Bernadette Owen:  Infant educator - 7th May
Daniel James Stuk:  Tennis coach - 8th May
Georgina Jackson:  Tennis coach - 8th May

This was only a quick check so I may have missed someone but it matters not, it's clear that Murat was assigned to assist with the interviews of some of the Warner staff.

I've just checked the record of Inspector Pedro Varanda's informal conversation with Robert Murat which confirms he acted as interpreter for the PJ during the interview with Dianne Webster on 11th May 2007.

I still can't understand why the PJ agreed to use Murat as translator/interpreter when they had their own contacts to hand for the purpose.  As for Murat, I'm more and more convinced that his purpose was to look listen learn and pass on.

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Post by willowthewisp on 22.08.16 20:46

He certainly didn't hang about busying himself,collecting the Juicy nectar for the Queen Bee's worker drones to digress back home, did he?
bignono It looks as though Mr Goncalo Amaral found out too late about Robert's heplfullness,then suddenly,he(RM)was thrown to the Lion's as a tasty Morsel to feed on by the"Special Tapas 3-9"stating sighting him hanging around 5a on the 3/4 May 2007?
I Wonder if it was ever put to Robert Murat knowing our Gezza,before Madeleine disappeared,aka Gerry's I'm Not going to comment on that,cough,Sandra,prompted by a swift scuttle away with the puckering Pink Sphincter in very close proximity!?

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Re: Murat revisted: 2 - How did he become a PJ translator?

Post by Verdi on 22.08.16 23:27

I meant to say 'English speaking' Ocean Club employees.  You know - those who may or may not have some incriminating information to impart.  Such as absence from tennis sessions;  absence from childcare;   absence from the Tapas restaurant;  absence of Madeleine McCann during the week.

Always a good idea to refer back to Inspector Pedro Varanda's report relating to an informal conversation with Robert Murat on 11th May 2007..


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

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Post by Equity on 23.08.16 14:34

It would make perfect sense for the GNR to accept the help of a local who was bilingual on the night of the disappearance. As far as they were concerned, time was of the essence and the GNR officers would jump at the chance to have properly translated information from the parents and friends so as to coordinate the immediate search.

What makes no sense is the PJ using RM between 4 and 8 days AFTER the disappearance.

Was this the first time the PJ dealt with a case involving a non Portuguese speaker in such an internationally renowned holiday destination? Of course not.

Why didn't MW supply a bilingual employee for the taking of witness statements from OC staff - instead of agreeing to the PJ using the 'bloke who lives with his mum down the road'?

Surely the PJ had either bilingual officers or a standard procedure for drafting in a translator in these circumstances.

All very, very odd...

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Post by Verdi on 23.08.16 15:24

Equity wrote:
Surely the PJ had either bilingual officers or a standard procedure for drafting in a translator in these circumstances.

All very, very odd...
Well of course they did Equity didn't they - evidenced by other statements taken for English speaking witnesses, including the McCanns themselves, from 4th May 2007 onwards.

According to Kate McCann's novel, Murat appeared on the night of the 3rd/4th May (not sure about the time) and offered his services but all other sources suggest he walked in the local cop shop on 4th May.

Very very odd indeed, compounded by his impertinent interest in the investigation and the particular staff he interpreted for - all of whom could have information that might compromise the McCann defence mechanism.  Add his muvver's street stall to the mix and it all appears more than a bit suspicious.

Keep ....

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Post by willowthewisp on 23.08.16 17:24

Hi Verdi,out of the staff that RM was the Translator for,suddenly departed to Greece by Mark Warner,becoming concerned about their well being of the effect of the Abduction of Madeleine?

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Post by Verdi on 23.08.16 21:02

willowthewisp wrote:Hi Verdi,out of the staff that RM was the Translator for,suddenly departed to Greece by Mark Warner,becoming concerned about their well being of the effect of the Abduction of Madeleine?
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Party girl Catriona Baker who declined to join her friends for a night out on Thursday 3rd May 2007 because she was tired.

Only having seen press reports concerning her reaction to Madeleine's disappearance and her after-life so to speak, I can't be 100% convinced without some more reliable corroboration.  Whatever, one things for sure, she struck-up a sort of friendship with the McCanns which in my opinion is rather surprising under the circumstances - a young woman I would expect to try and put the experience behind her and move on with life.

Not everyone agrees with me but I find it astonishing that she was so traumatized by Madeleine's disappearance, said to have been because she was Madeleine's nanny.  Madeleine was just another child in a group that attended the childcare facilities on an ad hoc basis for a notional five days.  Realistically she wouldn't have developed a close bond with a single child or have any inclination about the parent/s relationship with each other and/or their child.  Let's face it, all the parent/s did was drop her off at the creche and and later collect her - again, just one of a group of children on one weeks holiday.  How many children drift through their work in any one season, there is no occasion nor reason to become emotionally attached to any one child.  I venture to suggest that Ms Baker has prior knowledge of the McCanns and/or their friends.

It doesn't stop there - the nanny Charlotte Pennington appears to live in a fantasy world, Amy Tierney had a problem with the whereabouts of her computer and printer, to name but two and all placed in the care of the interpreter Robert Murat and apparently as you say, swiftly whisked away from prying eyes.

Something very fishy going on here and it's not rotting sea bass..


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Post by Roxyroo on 24.08.16 0:24

Verdi wrote:
willowthewisp wrote:Hi Verdi,out of the staff that RM was the Translator for,suddenly departed to Greece by Mark Warner,becoming concerned about their well being of the effect of the Abduction of Madeleine?
howdy

Party girl Catriona Baker who declined to join her friends for a night out on Thursday 3rd May 2007 because she was tired.

Only having seen press reports concerning her reaction to Madeleine's disappearance and her after-life so to speak, I can't be 100% convinced without some more reliable corroboration.  Whatever, one things for sure, she struck-up a sort of friendship with the McCanns which in my opinion is rather surprising under the circumstances - a young woman I would expect to try and put the experience behind her and move on with life.

Not everyone agrees with me but I find it astonishing that she was so traumatized by Madeleine's disappearance, said to have been because she was Madeleine's nanny.  Madeleine was just another child in a group that attended the childcare facilities on an ad hoc basis for a notional five days.  Realistically she wouldn't have developed a close bond with a single child or have any inclination about the parent/s relationship with each other and/or their child.  Let's face it, all the parent/s did was drop her off at the creche and and later collect her - again, just one of a group of children on one weeks holiday.  How many children drift through their work in any one season, there is no occasion nor reason to become emotionally attached to any one child.  I venture to suggest that Ms Baker has prior knowledge of the McCanns and/or their friends.

It doesn't stop there - the nanny Charlotte Pennington appears to live in a fantasy world, Amy Tierney had a problem with the whereabouts of her computer and printer, to name but two and all placed in the care of the interpreter Robert Murat and apparently as you say, swiftly whisked away from prying eyes.

Something very fishy going on here and it's not rotting sea bass..



Verdi, I had to log in to check if that was actually a fish in the emoticon! And it is! big grin

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Post by skyrocket on 24.08.16 8:49

The following report from the pj files and written by PJ officer Inspector Manuel Pilar(?), dated 7 May 2007, gives some insight into Murat's involvement with the investigation:

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--- I make it known that on 04.05.2007, about 09h30, in the company of my colleague Irene Trovao, I went under higher orders to the "Ocean Club", in order to, among other things, establish contact with GNR officers who were in the area, from where the minor Madeleine had been abducted.
--- One of the objectives would be to put off the track of [clear up'; resolve'] possible useful information for the discovery of the whereabouts of the minor, that in the meantime had become known to those officers.
--- An individual named Robert Murrat was already in the area, who had presented himself to the GNR, making himself available to help should he be needed, particularly as an interpreter.
--- When I asked he told me that his mother is English, hence he knows that language perfectly having spent much time in England. He added also that he had a daughter more or less the same age as the missing girl.
--- That this individual collaborated [worked] with the police on 4 and 5 May 2007, namely in the Mobile Police station based in the area.
--- That at a certain time, when we made it known [to him] that his collaboration with the police was not required, he made contact with numerous journalists who were in the area.
--- On 06.05.2007 the undersigned was contacted by some of the journalists who said they thought the behaviour of that individual was suspicious during his contact with them, namely he always displayed extreme curiosity, and when they tried to take his picture he refused vehemently, showing much fear [alarm] stating that he did not want his photo taken because he had a daughter the same age as the missing child and was in the middle of a divorce.
--- Later, when confronted with [questioned about] his behaviour, Robert Murrat was extremely nervous, affirming that it was our choice, immediately left the area and did not come back.
--- Given the suspicions raised it was thought convenient [appropriate] to keep him relatively close, for the purpose of, simultaneously and immediately, beginning a detailed investigation into this individual to confirm or dispel the suspicions raised about him.

Despite the PJ officer above stating that Murat was told early on that his services were not required, he was still being used on the 8 May (nanny Jaqueline Williams).


Not completely on topic - Murat was picked up by his mother Jenny from Faro airport at around about 9.30 am on the 1 May. The drive back to Luz was under an hour by car. The following is taken from his 14 May interview:


'At the airport he was met by his mother, in the VW that the respondent drove. He went to a petrol station at the airport exit, that had closed the toilets. He didn't eat anything or fill up the car. He then drove to the A22, where he stopped at the first service station on the way, M24. He drank a "galao" [a typical breakfast drink comprising 50% coffee and 50% hot milk] as did his mother. He ate a meat pie and his mother a "folhado misto" [a cheese and ham croissant]. They resumed the journey, having stopped at another M24 station [NOTE: "M24" is the name of the 24 hour convenience shops at many GALP service stations], where they drank coffee. Soon after they went directly to Casa Liliana in Luz, where he arrived at 11:30-12:00.'


OK - the first stop RM says the toilets were closed; the second stop at a motorstop on the A22 both RM and his mother eat and drink; they then stop AGAIN at a second motorstop for another hot drink; finally getting back to Casa Liliana about 2 - 2 1/2 hours after they'd left the airport. Really?! Read the rest of RM's recollections (and Michaela's/Michaela's husband, Luis Antonio), and the whole of the 1 May is basically unaccounted for. Murat says he went to Michaela's house for the afternoon and that both Luis Antonio and Michaela's/Luis's daughter were there - he gave Michaela and her daughter presents; Michaela says that she picked her daughter up from school later and she is very vague about Luis's presence; when interviewed on the 14 May, Luis says the following, 'It being asked of him, he clarifies that, except for yesterday night when he dined with ROBERT MURAT, he has no memory of the last time when he saw him or was with him.' - wouldn't he remember his wife/daughter receiving gifts from a man (particularly as he had previously barred all male visitors after Michaela's earlier marital indiscretions, only apparently permitting Murat's visits after he'd got to know him). At 4pm Murat has returned to Casa Liliana in Luz and can't remember what he did for the rest of the day/evening; likewise, Michaela, after a JW meeting at 4pm, can't remember if she saw Murat that evening or not. 


What was happening on the 1 May?
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Re: Murat revisted: 2 - How did he become a PJ translator?

Post by Verdi on 24.08.16 12:18

Roxyroo wrote:Verdi, I had to log in to check if that was actually a fish in the emoticon! And it is! big grin
I hold member Pennylane entirely responsible for my newly acquired obsession with emoticons notme .

So expressive!

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