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Post by jd on 04.08.11 15:24

Charlotte Pennington. Wow! I'm sure has been covered before in depth but to anyone new to the facts of the case, should read below this analysis of her contradictions, truly stunning! The analysis just speaks for itself but I will add that she says in her statement that she "Has been in Portugal since April 28th 2007 (?), the day upon which she began working for the Ocean Club tourist Complex in Luz, Lagos" but in the very next line she then says "the witness clarifies that between the 19th of April and the 04th of May 2007 she worked with a group of children staying in the aforementioned complex between the ages of 4 months and one year of age"....Was she working at the Ocean Club from the UK then? how can this be possible, or does she have a twin as well? or a sister? a lookalike perhaps? There seem to be a lot of these that week in PDL and Charlotte does resemble Rachael Oldfield imo.......And we also have Murat as interpreter too, well isn't this a funny! (not in the ha ha sense)

A closer look at Charlotte Pennington

Nigel Moore
31 January 2008

Charlotte Pennington, who was employed as a nanny at the Mark Warner Ocean Club at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, would appear to be blessed with an uncanny knack of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Although, from Kate and Gerry McCanns' perspective, it could be said that the opposite is true. As if by magic, Pennington appears with a 'sighting' at just the right time to support the McCanns' theories on what happened that fateful night of May 3rd.

The fact that she claims to have worked as a fairy since the age of 14 may go some way to explaining her remarkable abilities.

So, what did she see?

She says was there with Madeleine at the kid's club on 03 May 2007, the day of Maddie's disappearance. Thus providing herself as an 'independent' witness to the fact that Madeleine was still alive on 03 May 2007.

She was there, inside the McCanns' apartment, within five minutes of the alarm being raised, and claims to have witnessed both Kate McCanns' emotional state and the words spoken. Thus supporting the belief that this was the time of the abduction and that Kate could not have acted that amount of grief.

She was there to see Robert Murat hanging around the Ocean Club. Thus supporting the McCanns', particularly Kate's, desire to imply that Murat was involved in some way. It was reported, on 27 January 2008, that they believe he may have acted as a 'look-out' for a gang of paedophiles.

She was there to see Robert Murat speaking with a suspicious looking man, the following day at the local supermarket, who now appears to match the description and artist's impression produced for Gail Cooper's 'Creepyman'. Thus further connecting Murat with an 'abduction'.

And, finally, she was there to see a suspicious man kicking something in a boat, 2 days after Madeleine's disappearance. Thus supporting one of the McCanns' theories that the abductor escaped by water - probably to Morocco.

But do Charlotte Pennington's crucial testimonies stand up to scrutiny? Unfortunately, like a great deal of this case, they are riddled with inconsistencies.

Pennington, who also works as a part-time actress - having briefly played the part of Libby Bailey in the New Zealand soap 'Shortland Street' - would be familiar with the need to arrive on cue.

But then, as we all know, sometimes actors get their lines wrong...

Time with Madeleine on 03 May 2007
The Daily Mail published details of an interview with Miss Pennington on 25 September 2007, in which she dismissed claims that the McCanns were not seen for six hours leading up to Madeleine's disappearance.
She said: "I was helping give the children high tea. The twins were there and Madeleine and both parents.

"It was supposed to finish at 5.30pm but because they were a big group and really social, it didn't finish until about 6pm. There was nothing out of the ordinary at all."

However, speaking on the Channel 4 Dispatches documentary 'Searching For Madeleine', aired on 18 October 2007, she says:

"On May the third, it was just Madeleine I was reading a story to. I later saw them around lunchtime. That's the last time I saw them together as a family."

So, which is true? Did she last see Madeleine and the McCanns at 6.00pm or at lunchtime? And why the discrepancy?

The Daily Mail report of 14 October 2007, reporting on Madeleine's movements at the kid's club, only mentions nanny Catriona Baker being with her that day. The report states that Maddie was placed in a small group of children between the ages of 3 and 5 years with Miss Baker.

Charlotte Pennington was employed as a nanny in the Ocean Club resort's Baby Club, looking after children aged four to 12 months. So, why would she have been looking after Madeleine, who was not a member of her Baby Club, and reading her a story that particular day?

Pennington describes how she heard of Madeleine's disappearance from a woman who had come to collect her child from the evening creche, where she was working. The woman had recounted to her how she had just bumped into a man who had been shouting a name.

Pennington continues: "She didn't get the name, but she said it sounded something like 'Abbey, Gabby or Maddie'. We automatically went into lost-child procedure. In these situations, the first thing we do is investigate the scene.

"We knew that one of the other nanny's charges was called Maddie. We told the head of department what had happened and she took us straight to the apartment.''

Here Miss Pennington clearly states that Madeleine was 'one of the other nanny's charges', referring to Catriona Baker. Yet she says in her two previous statements that she was with Madeleine that day. If that was true, why didn't she automatically make the connection that this was 'Maddie', the girl she had read a story to that very day and had been with until 6.00pm when the McCanns arrived to collect her and the twins?

In the Dispatches documentary, Pennington says: ''They were a very social group and they seemed all to be really respectful, nice, loving parents. Madeleine, I found out to be, quite bright... errm, quite shy... errm, very sweet, very beautiful girl.''

The statement suggests an intimate knowledge of the McCanns and, more specifically, Madeleine. Yet, it appears, Pennington was unable to connect the names 'Abbey, Gabby or Maddie' to herself and Madeleine.

This would seem to imply that Pennington never actually had charge of Madeleine on any day and, therefore, did not know her at all, apart from her name being connected to the charge of another nanny.

So where does her intimate knowledge of Madeleine's personality come from?

And why is she making strong implications that Madeleine was in her charge when she clearly wasn't?

The moments after Madeleine disappeared
Talking from her mother's home in Leatherhead, Surrey, she told the Daily Mail: "I was in the apartment less than five minutes after they found that Madeleine had gone. When we were coming out we saw Kate and she was screaming: 'They've taken her, they've taken her!'
"I was standing right in front of her outside the apartment's back door, in the alleyway. I was very close to her. It might not have been the first thing she said. But she definitely said it. I was one of three Mark Warner staff who saw her shouting it. They have all given statements to the Portuguese police saying that."

In terms of the timeline, this is a very interesting quote. She says she was in the McCanns apartment ''less than five minutes after they found that Madeleine had gone''.

She said previously that the woman who came to collect her child from the evening creche, from whom she first found out a child was missing, arrived just before 10.00pm.

So, by the time the woman reached the creche, according to Pennington's account, a chain of events had already taken place:

Kate had discovered Madeleine missing; she had searched the apartment herself; she had run to the tapas restaurant to raise the alarm with Gerry and their friends and she had returned to the apartment and waited for it to be thoroughly searched by Gerry and their friends.

There would then have been a passage of time before the man, presumably Gerry, had gone out into the streets shouting out Maddie's name (which incidentally, the McCanns have insisted they never called her - it was always 'Madeleine').

And then, finally, there would have been a pasage of time for the woman to arrive at the creche, collect her child and then tell the staff what she had heard outside.

That whole process would surely have taken longer than five minutes to complete, and finish, before 10.00pm. Pennington's statement suggests the alarm was actually raised sometime well before 10:00pm, but this would then have major repercussions on the McCanns stated timeline. Indeed, it would make the raising of the alarm at 9:30pm, as was stated in some early reports, seem much more likely.

Pennington's account of entering and leaving the apartment is also confusing in relation to her position and Kate's. She says at first that ''When we were coming out (of the apartment) we saw Kate and she was screaming 'They've taken her'.'' This seems odd because it appears to imply that Kate was outside the apartment - possibly just outside the patio doors. But why was Kate outside the apartment screaming 'They've taken her' when everyone else was inside?

Pennington continues: ''I was standing right in front of her outside the apartment's back door, in the alleyway. I was very close to her. It might not have been the first thing she said. But she definitely said it. I was one of three Mark Warner staff who saw her shouting it.''

So where was Pennington when Kate was screaming? Was she just coming out of the apartment and presumably beside Kate or was she standing in the alleyway with three other members of the Mark Warner staff?

Pennington's account on the Dispatches documentary does not make it any clearer. She says: ''I went straight round to the apartment. I sort of walked in, did a quick scan around and been told 'No, no, she's not here, she's not here'.

''Kate McCann was outside and she was very distressed. She was saying things like 'They've taken her' and 'She's gone' and 'Where is she? Where is she?'.''

One wonders, by this time, to whom Kate was talking, or screaming.

And for who's benefit.

But there is one more crucial sentence from Miss Pennington that poses a huge and shocking question mark over our understanding of the events of that evening.

She says: "There were no children in the room. The twins had been taken out already, I think by one of the McCanns' friends.''

Remember, Pennington ''was in the apartment less than five minutes after they found that Madeleine had gone.''

So where were the twins?

By 10:50pm, we know the twins were back in their cots as the first local GNR police officers attending the scene remarked on how strange it was that the twins did not wake during all the commotion and screaming.

So, it begs the question: Why were the twins not there when Pennington arrived in the apartment?

If Pennington's statement is correct, then it leaves three possible scenarios:

1) The twins were moved out of the apartment, in the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance, and then returned to their cots later. If so, why were they removed? And where did they go and who moved them?

2) The twins were moved prior to Kate's alarm call, perhaps because they wanted to clean the bedroom and were then returned to the McCanns' apartment before the GNR arrived? If this were true, where did they go and who moved them?

3) The twins were never put to bed in the McCanns' apartment that night. They either regularly slept elsewhere on the holiday or they slept elsewhere on that particular night and were transferred back before the GNR arrived. But why would they be sleeping elsewhere? And again, where did they go and who moved them?

If the twins were not in the apartment, this would certainly explain Kate's decision to run back to the tapas restaurant, apparently abandoning the twins alone in the unlocked apartment.

However, if Pennington's statement is correct, and we are to believe the twins were moved in this way, then it would now seem even more extraordinary that the twins did not wake.

And the implication of that appears to be obvious.

Sighting of Robert Murat
Miss Pennington's Daily Mail interview confirms reports from the McCanns' friends that Murat was at the scene. "He was outside the lobby just before we started on our big search," she said.

"He was adamant that he wasn't there. But he was. He was there in the road, he was just looking. It was about 10.30. He was just watching.

"I didn't know his name then. But the next day he was our interpreter and I met him then. He didn't take part in the searches, but he was there."

It is difficult to understand how Pennington can so clearly identify Robert Murat - a man she admits she did not know previously - in a chaotic scene where, by all accounts, there were people all over the place. A 'big search' implies there were lots of people there and this was night time, under street lamps that do not appear to be very powerful.

Can she really be sure this was Murat and not David Payne? The Payne's reportedly left their two children in the kid's club, with Madeleine and the twins, under the charge of Catriona Baker. So, it is quite likely that Pennington had never met David Payne previously either.

The Sun further confuses the account when it reports: 'Charlotte said she saw him (Murat) near the McCanns’ holiday flat at around midnight. Yesterday it was claimed police used Murat as a translator — giving him access to the crime scene — as he was a long-time informant.'

This account, which does not come with a direct quote, does, however, appear to be sourced directly from Miss Pennington. Yet, it clearly contradicts her previous statement that she saw Murat at 10:30pm, in the street outside the lobby, just before they were about to launch their 'big search'.

So, where did Pennington see Murat? Outside the McCanns apartment at midnight or outside the lobby at 10:30pm?

The two diverse accounts surely cast a major doubt over Pennington's testimony.

Murat, the suspicious looking man and 'Creepyman
A few days after Madeleine's disappearance, Charlotte Pennington reported seeing Robert Murat chatting to a man outside the Baptista supermarket in Praia da Luz.

Initially, the sighting was used to further imply that Robert Murat was involved in some way. It was suggested that this man fitted the description given by Jane Tanner of a man she allegedly saw walking 'urgently' away from the McCanns' apartment on the night of 03 May 2007.

On 20 January 2007, the McCanns' released an artist's impression of a man Gail Cooper allegedly saw acting in a 'creepy' way during the weeks before the McCanns arrived in Praia da Luz. Suddenly, Pennington's 'sighting' was dug up, brushed off and represented to the public as a crucial piece of crucial, long-lost information.

In the space of 24 hours, the man who Murat was chatting to had suddenly been transformed from Jane Tanner's 'abductor' into Gail Cooper's 'Creepyman'.

Firstly, the Daily Mail reports that: 'Charlotte Pennington, a nanny at the Ocean Club holiday complex where the McCanns were staying, told police last May she saw Murat chatting to "a man aged around 27 to 35, average height, very dark eyes and of Portuguese or Spanish appearance".

She told detectives she saw expat Murat, who lives with his mother near to holiday complex, talking to the man outside the Baptista supermarket in Praia da Luz.'

The following day, the Daily Mail makes a stronger connection when it reports that: 'Nanny Charlotte Pennington's description of a person she saw with Mr Murat also matches the man shown in the artist's impression.'

Later, The Sun, appearing to run a direct quote from Pennington, pushes the connection further, when it reports: 'And Charlotte Pennington, a nanny at the McCanns' holiday complex, says a suspicious man she saw in Praia da Luz was "similar" to the drawing.'

So, in what way is Pennington's sighting ''similar'' to the description and artist's impression of Gail Cooper's 'Creepyman'?

Pennington describes a man ''between 27 and 35, with medium build, very dark eyes and a Portuguese or Spanish look''.

Cooper, in describing 'Creepyman', says: "This man was very unpleasant and creepy. I'd put his age at 38 to 45. He was very scruffy and had a 70s-style black Mexican moustache. He wasn't Portuguese—I think he was North African, either Tunisian or Moroccan."

So, in what possible way could these two men possibly be described as ''similar''?

From the two descriptions, they have absolutely nothing in common whatsoever.

Yet newspapers, or perhaps more pertinently Metodo 3, seem intent on connecting the two. Newspapers will run with it because it's a good angle and will sell papers, Metodo 3 because that is what they are being paid by the McCanns to do. They have an agenda.

And that agenda is to propagate the abduction theory to the exclusion of all others.

The sighting of the boatman
Two days after Madeleine's disappearance, Miss Pennington claims to have seen a mystery boatman kicking at something in the middle of the night.

Pennington said she spotted the man in a small dinghy, just off the Praia da Luz seafront, kicking at an object stored in the boat's hull.

The Daily Mail continues: 'When she moved closer to investigate, the man - whose name she has given to Portuguese and British police - stooped out of sight then hurriedly rowed away. Miss Pennington said the man was wearing a reflective yellow jacket with a hood but she could not make out his face.'

So, what are the concerns here?

Firstly, the report says Pennington spotted the man in a 'small dinghy'. However, the very next sentence describes a 'boat' which was apparently big enough to store a reasonable size object in its hull.

Secondly, one wonders why a person, who it is implied may have had Madeleine stored alive, or dead, in a box in his dinghy/boat, would choose to wear a bright yellow, reflective fisherman's jacket.

Thirdly, the sighting took place 'in the middle of the night' when the seafront is pitch black. Those people searching for Madeleine, on the night of 03 May 2007, have described how they could only see as far as their torches shone and it was actually quite a frightening experience.

So, how could Pennington see anything, let alone a man apparently some distance away that she had to move closer to try and see.

And what was Pennington doing in the middle of the night, in the pitch black on the seafront? Did she have a torch?

Fourthly, Pennington admits she did not see the man's face and that he stooped down and quickly rowed away. So, how could she possibly know who he was, in order to give his name to the police?

The first published reports of the sighting claimed that Pennington was shocked to see the man again the next day, still wearing his bright yellow, reflective fisherman's jacket. She claims that she recognised the man as someone 'whom she had come to know over the preceding week'. But how? How can she recognise and name a man just from a jacket, seen from distance, in the pitch dark?

It should be remembered that Praia da Luz is a small fishing village and the sight of a fisherman's jacket, in such a setting, would surely not be unusual. In fact, it would be a surprise if it wasn't commonplace.


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id70.html
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Re: Charlotte pennington

Post by jd on 04.08.11 15:31

Another interesting analyse

Where was Charlotte Pennington?

Nigel Moore
Monday 30 June 2008

The question: 'Where was Charlotte Pennington when Madeleine was reported missing?' would appear to be one of the few questions surrounding the case that can boast a straightforward answer.

In a case that has become characterised by the frustratingly unsatisfactory quotes of unnamed friends and sources, Ms Pennington has afforded us the rare luxury of being able to listen to her own words from her own mouth - at least until the Dispatches documentary 'Searching for Madeleine' was removed from YouTube and Channel 4's own 4oD service.

On that documentary, Ms Pennington recounted the following story: "I was working that night at something called 'Drop-in Creche'. We had one child left and... errm, the mother came in, picked up the child and just mentioned 'Hang on a minute, I've just seen a guy who's run past me, who seemed really distressed and I recognised him as being a guest at Mark Warner, but he was shouting out something like 'Maddie' or 'Abbey' or 'Gabby'."

She then continues: "I went straight to the apartment. I sort of walked in, did a quick scan around and been told 'No, no. She's not here, she's not here'.

"Kate McCann was outside and she was very distressed. She was saying things like 'They've taken her' and 'She's gone' and, you know, 'Where is she? Where is she?'

"She was crying and there were tears down her face and it was absolutely heartbreaking to see."

So, in Ms Pennington's own words, her movements would appear to be crystal clear and unequicocal. End of story.

Yet, in Danny Collins recently released book 'Vanished' a completely different picture is painted. We are used to reading slight variations of stories connected to the case, to the point where double-vision is a regular occurence, but we are less used to somebodies movements being directly and confidently contradicted in print.

So what does Mr Collins say about Ms Pennington's movements and what is the significance of them, if true?

Mr Collins states that rather than being in the communal 'Drop-in creche', Ms Pennington was actually babysitting in a 'nearby apartment' and was brought to the McCanns' apartment by the sound of Kate McCanns' screams from the balcony of apartment 5A.

He claims that Ms Pennington was the first person at the scene and that she told police that Kate 'clutched at her' and 'sobbed in panic as she tried to answer the young childminder's questions'.

Whilst Ms Pennington does indeed describe the frenzied state of Kate McCann, she does not mention the undoubted importance and significance of being the first person to arrive at the scene.

However, if Ms Pennington's own account is true then it would have been impossible for her to have been the first person at the scene as the incident she describes clearly indicates that the alarm had been raised some time before she was made aware of it.

She does state in the Daily Mail article of 25 September 2007 that "I was in the apartment less than five minutes after they found that Madeleine had gone".

However, that would seem unlikely given the fact that after Kate had reportedly discovered Madeleine missing she would have had to inform the rest of the group by returning to the Tapas bar; allowed time for a further search of the apartment by Gerry and their friends; allowed time to consider what to do; allowed time for Gerry to decide to go out onto the streets and then do it; allowed time for the woman to hear him and later report what she had heard to Pennington and then time for Pennington to ascertain which apartment was involved, gather herself and then actually reach the apartment. It would seem unlikely that that whole process would have taken 'less than five minutes'.

In the same article, Ms Pennington further describes how: "We knew that one of the other nanny's charges was called Maddie. We told the head of department what had happened and she took us straight to the apartment.

"There were no children in the room. The twins had been taken out already, I think by one of the McCanns' friends."

Leaving aside discussion around the distrubing suggestion that the twins were not in the apartment at that time (Where were they and why and how did they return by the time the GNR arrived?), Ms Pennington states that she attended the McCanns apartment with her head of department - yet again clearly suggesting that she wasn't the first person on the scene.

So, who to believe? Ms Pennington herself or the words of a Spanish-based veteran investigative journalist? Faced with such a choice the natural inclination would surely be to side with the individual who was actually there and witnessed it. Yet, the level of detail in Collins text suggests his knowledge extends beyond that of a blindfold, a stick and a piñata.

Mr Collins also has something very significant to say about the occupation of the apartments by the McCanns and the Tapas Seven.

Mr Collins states that the McCanns were in apartment 5A, as we all know, but that Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien were next door in apartment 5B. This appears to directly contradict Clarence Mitchell's statement that Rachael Oldfield was next door on the evening that Madeleine is alleged to have been left crying, unattended.

What Mr Mitchell actually said was: "Equally, one of the friends, Rachael Oldfield, was in the apartment next door in a bedroom adjacent to the wall where Madeleine was in her bedroom and she heard no crying at all all night."

The natural assumption from Mr Mitchell's statement is that Rachael Oldfield was 'in the apartment next door' because that was her apartment. After all, what would she be doing in somebody elses bedroom, on her own, whilst all the other members of the holidaying party were out enjoying themselves? All night.

Of course, making assumptions is a dangerous thing to do. But it does seem peculiar that Mr Mitchell has specifically identified Rachael Oldfield - why not simply say that the Oldfield's were next door and heard nothing? If she heard nothing all night, then she must have been there all night. If so, where was her husband?

If Mrs Oldfield was alone, it would suggest she was alone for a reason. After all, we have been told, first hand by Kate, that they were operating a system. She said: "We all knew what we had to do, what we would do and.. you know, it worked as a system we had going and it just seemed totally right somehow".

Could it be that Mrs Oldfield was babysitting? That the 'system' involved one member of the group babysitting all the children? There is, it must be stated, no evidence to suggest this is the case but, at one point, there were curious reports of all the children sharing the McCanns' apartment on the night of 3rd May. But was this true or just another flight of fancy?

Mr Collins states that Mark Warner only rented out the ground floor apartments and that the holidaying group were all based on that floor, contradicting previous reports that the Payne's were located on the floor above. Collins says that the Payne's were 'further down the walkway' and that the Oldfield's were based the furthest away from the McCanns' apartment.

So what significance does this have to the whereabouts of Charlotte Pennington on that evening? Possibly, a great deal.

Mr Collins tells us that Ms Pennington was babysitting in a 'nearby apartment' when she heard the screams of Kate McCann. He tells us that Mark Warner only rented the ground floor apartments and so, therefore, we are compelled to ask: Was Ms Pennington babysitting for one of the Tapas group and, if so, which one?

If we are to believe reports, the Payne's were the only couple to own and use a working baby-monitoring device, so would therefore have had no need of a babysitter. The Oldfield's were the furthest away from the McCanns apartment and it would therefore seem very unlikely that Ms Pennington could have heard the screams of Kate, if she was babysitting inside the Oldfield's apartment.

So, that just leaves the apartment of Tanner and O'Brien, next door to the McCanns, where Kate's screams would have been easily heard.

Yet, if Collins is correct in the statements he has committed to print, then two questions immediately spring to mind: Why was Pennington employed as a babysitter, when the group had a communal checking 'system' that supposedly 'worked'? And if Pennington was babysitting the children of Tanner and O'Brien, then why was Russell O'Brien reportedly absent from the group until just before 10:00pm?

Of course, the possibility that there was another family occupying an apartment in the middle of the Tapas groups apartments must be considered. However, it is very curious that if there were such an apartment, and such a family, then why have they never been identified, mentioned or even remotely hinted at?

The fog that surrounds the mystery continues to show no signs of lifting.


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Post by solva on 04.08.11 15:48

jd wrote:between the 19th of April and the 04th of May 2007 she worked with a group of children staying in the aforementioned complex
She did not say 19th April, maybe that is a misprint by your source? She said 29th April, see original police statement.
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Post by Guest on 04.08.11 15:52

Original police statement:

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- The witness clarifies that between the 19th of April and the 04th of May 2007 she worked with a group of children staying in the aforementioned complex between the ages of 4 months and one year of age (the Baby Club)

The translator Ines on PJFILES, has translated it incorrectly from the original Police file.
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Post by jd on 04.08.11 16:28

That answers that one that she started on the 29th. Coincidence then that she also flew in on the 28th April 2007

She has always resembled Rachael Oldfield to me (don't know why and its not the hair), like a niece or someone. On doing a bit of research it appears that she lives in Kingston-Upon-Thames in SW London. Matthew Oldfield works an endocrinologist at Kingston Hospital in South-West London....Kingston hospital is in Kingston-Upon-Thames....small world!

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Post by Guest on 04.08.11 19:43

Some interesting postings here concerning points in her statements that I didn't know before. Is there anybody in this bizarre case who can actually be believed?!
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Post by jd on 04.08.11 21:12

Maybe Charlotte Pennington was the one looking after the kids each night in the apartment next door? It is not just the McCanns who left their kids, it was 'ALL' of them and I don't believe for one minute that whole group would leave all their kids alone in an unlocked apartment each night, this is 8 children. Who knows which tapas member was missing each night, might have been to keep Charlotte company as they babysat the kids, might have been Rachael or Matthew each night. All the group refused the free care child in a resort that is famed for it and maybe it is because they had a trusted relative to look after them instead?

Its quite a coincidence she resembles Rachael Oldfield, lives in the same place as her & husband Matthew in the UK, arrives at the resort on the 28th April, and has the unbelievable knack of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. What are the chances of her being the only individual to the 'witness sightings' on the night of May 3rd, next day in a shop, then down by the beach in the middle of the night! This on top of being the first one in the apartment after Maddie disappeared. I think there is more chance of winning the lottery. As with all the 'evidence' to support the McCann story, it has always come from within inside the group, and Charlotte Pennington would seem to have been given a lot of 'witness' work to do under the guise she is a resort nanny. Problem is she is not very good at lying as is proved

To quote: "What Mr Mitchell actually said was: "Equally, one of the friends, Rachael Oldfield, was in the apartment next door in a bedroom adjacent to the wall where Madeleine was in her bedroom and she heard no crying at all all night."The natural assumption from Mr Mitchell's statement is that Rachael Oldfield was 'in the apartment next door' because that was her apartment. After all, what would she be doing in somebody elses bedroom, on her own, whilst all the other members of the holidaying party were out enjoying themselves? All night."....maybe it was Charlotte Pennington

Maybe being within apartment 5A in 5 mins is because she is in the apartment next door?

I am believing now that 'something' was organised before they got to PDL and where my thoughts are coming from is this way of thinking. Gerry was not there to enjoy himself so could only have been there on 'business' especially as they were broke and couldn't pay the mortgage, so how come they can afford a holiday in Portugal. A lot of things are making sense to me thinking on this road. Could be drug related business and Maddie died unexpectedly in an accident which I favour due to number of doctors/medical people at the resort at the same time, or it could be something more sinister.....time will tell

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Family resemblances?

Post by Guest on 04.08.11 21:22

Please could someone post photos of Rachael Oldfield and Charlotte Pennington side by side? I must admit that I don't know what either of them looks like.
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Post by Guest on 04.08.11 21:29

Jean wrote:Please could someone post photos of Rachael Oldfield and Charlotte Pennington side by side? I must admit that I don't know what either of them looks like.

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Re: Charlotte pennington

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Post by Willo on 04.08.11 23:38

THE SUN, 3rd Dec 2007 : 'A nanny at the holiday complex where Madeleine McCann vanished claims she saw suspect Robert Murat there on the fateful night, it emerged yesterday.

Charlotte Pennington, 20, is one of three witnesses who could blow apart the oddball's alibi that he was home with his mum.

They have told private detectives hired by Maddie's parents they saw a man just like Murat walking on the road outside the McCann apartment on the night she disappeared.

Charlotte — a childminder at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, Portugal — challenged expat Murat, 34, the next day. He denied being near the scene. Charlotte said he clammed up when she tried to grill him further.'

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Miss Pennington's Daily Mail interview confirms reports from the McCanns' friends that Murat was at the scene. "He was outside the lobby just before we started on our big search," she said.

"He was adamant that he wasn't there. But he was. He was there in the road, he was just looking. It was about 10.30. He was just watching.
"I didn't know his name then. But the next day he was our interpreter and I met him then. He didn't take part in the searches, but he was there."





So Murat was the translator for Pennington's first statement on May 7th 2007.



If Pennington had challeged and grilled Murat, making him clam up, surely afterwards she would have been very wary of him. This claim of confrontation also indicated she had a strong character and was not afraid to get stuck in.



But not, it seems, a strong enough character to say something about the situation when meeting up with Murat and the PJ the next day. Which I find very strange.



No she waited several months before sullying Murat. More smoke and mirrors or just plain forgetfulness?





As an aside I also wonder if the McCanns knew Pennington from their time in New Zealand. She would have been young then. But an out going aspiring actress none the less. Maybe their paths crossed early on in the piece.

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Re: Charlotte pennington

Post by solva on 05.08.11 4:04

The big clue about these supposed sightings of RM on night of 3rd, is that two of these witnesses also claimed they saw him on morning of 4th wearing a striped shirt. But there are photos of RM on morning of 4th NOT wearing a striped shirt. So it was not RM they saw, but someone who looks similar. There is a photo of a different person, who looks similar, but wears a striped top, outside block 5 on morning of 4th, that in my opinion is probably who these witnesses saw, it was not RM. This is nothing to do with the removal, but just explains the supposed RM sightings.

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Post by Guest on 05.08.11 10:35

solva wrote:There is a photo of a different person, who looks similar, but wears a striped top, outside block 5 on morning of 4th, that in my opinion is probably who these witnesses saw, it was not RM.



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Too many men in striped tops......

Post by Guest on 05.08.11 11:18

Solva: in case you don't know, the last picture is of David Payne, one of the McCanns' holiday party.
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Re: Charlotte pennington

Post by jd on 05.08.11 16:25

All these lookalikes are confusing people! winkwink

Also Willo brought up a good point "......if the McCanns knew Pennington from their time in New Zealand"

Does anyone know when the McCanns were in new Zealand and how long for?

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Post by pauline on 05.08.11 17:45

jd wrote:All these lookalikes are confusing people! winkwink

Also Willo brought up a good point "......if the McCanns knew Pennington from their time in New Zealand"

Does anyone know when the McCanns were in new Zealand and how long for?

Kate arrived in NZ July 1995 and worked there for a year. Gerry arrived in NZ 2 months after she did. They returned to the UK together.

Charlotte Pennington would have been about madeleine's age when they were there.
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Post by Guest on 05.08.11 17:51

[quote="jd"

Gerry was not there to enjoy himself so could only have been there on 'business' especially as they were broke and couldn't pay the mortgage, so how come they can afford a holiday in Portugal.

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JD, where did you get the info on G being broke? I think I missed that bit.
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Post by Guest on 05.08.11 18:01

Molly wrote:[quote="jd"

Gerry was not there to enjoy himself so could only have been there on 'business' especially as they were broke and couldn't pay the mortgage, so how come they can afford a holiday in Portugal.


JD, where did you get the info on G being broke? I think I missed that bit. [/quote]


Have a look here Molly, this is the first post of thread, the link to thread at bottom.

Back in the summer of 2007 when the McCanns stayed in Portugal for four months following the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, the two wealthy doctors were in financial difficulty. Gerry McCann’s sister Patricia recently revealed that family members helped them to pay the mortgage payments on their house in Rothley, Leicestershire.

Quoted in the Daily Record (here), Patricia Cameron said:

“It is so hard to watch Kate and Gerry push themselves constantly. When Madeleine first went missing, family and friends had to step in to help them pay the mortgage.

“Money is constantly tight but they have to keep going. They will never give up looking and that costs money. Families of the missing still need to pay bills while they search but there is no right to any financial help.”


https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2780-mccanns-were-broke-in-2007


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Financial problems

Post by Guest on 05.08.11 18:08

Doesn't this story relate only to the financial problems after May 2007 when the McCanns were on extended leaves of absence from work? Molly is I think asking were the McCanns broke at the start of the holiday? I don't remember reading that point anywhere.
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Post by Guest on 05.08.11 18:19

Marian wrote:Doesn't this story relate only to the financial problems after May 2007 when the McCanns were on extended leaves of absence from work? Molly is I think asking were the McCanns broke at the start of the holiday? I don't remember reading that point anywhere.

I assumed jd meant how could they afford Portugal, if only a couple of months later, they had to have their mortgage paid. It was early in the year, and if the holiday year at the NHS started in April, it means he could have taken nearly all his holidays, and been paid for them, that would cover another month.
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Post by jd on 05.08.11 18:26

I read last week that their family and friends were paying the mortgage and understood it to be before the holiday which triggered my curiosity. Maybe I misread it and will search the articles again. I discovered it and another one the same whilst I was searching for something else

From what you've just posted here, it is quite possible I may have misread it as I have been reading so much information about all sorts of things! In the past Ive always been right in remembering what I have read but maybe on this occasion I am wrong

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McCanns 'financial' problems ?

Post by pauline on 05.08.11 18:28

I have always thought that the quote from Gerry's Sister Patricia Cameron has been misinterpreted to mean they had financial problems before they went to Portugal.

I think she meant that like many people they spent all their take home pay and had no savings so that unforseen financial expenditure was a big problem.

While both gerry and kate got some pay while they stayed on to 'look' for madeleine, this pay by no means covered all the time they were there. In addition to their large mortgage, they probably had 2 car loans and maybe credit card bills. They never provided their financial records to the police so we don't know. Given their combined gross income (which must have been at least £100,000 pa) it is unlikely they had debts other than structured ones like mortgage, car loans - but I can well believe that if they liked the good things of life that they had no savings. I have known many people with good incomes who have no savings whatsoever.
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Re: Charlotte pennington

Post by Guest on 05.08.11 20:22

Thanks, Candyfloss. It's a very interesting & thought provoking post from Ufercoffy. I think I understand JD's point and I think that given the fact that the bank details weren't released it's really hard to come to any other sort of conclusion.

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Re: Charlotte pennington

Post by solva on 06.08.11 17:17

Jean wrote:picture
It was reported that two guests claimed to see RM in a striped shirt on morning 4th. My opinion - it was not RM because he was wearing unstriped top that morning - and it was not DP because (although wearing a striped top that morning) these two guests would recognise him before making their claim - and so it was a different man in a striped top these two guests saw on morning 4th, (not RM and not DP).

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Re: Charlotte pennington

Post by jd on 06.08.11 17:52

Angus Symington?

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