"Fresh agony for the McCanns"

Lands_end wrote:

Realist wrote:The reason one can discount the sedative/accident theory is because it would be a far easier scenario to explain than the high risk strategy of disposing of her body and concocting a kidnapping story. The latter is an act born out of desperation where there is no other alternative available. The very element of 'accident' implies that it would be difficult to prosecute and easy to cast doubt upon in the event of a prosecution.

 The fact that Kate McCann had familiarised herself with the surrounding terrain on her daily jogging jaunts and Gerry McCann's brobdingnagian sports bag appearing to have gone missing bears far more relevance to this case than sedatives which may or may not have been present. In fact there is no evidence whatsoever to infer that the McCanns were sedating any of their children, particularly in the vein that the  remaining two were never tested for drug samples.

The fact is several Doctors do actually sedate their children with prescription drugs. Appalling as it is but true. The lack of planning by ripping off a child's book cover to record information and the fact that the other 2 children were clearly sedated along with the crime scene being altered clearly suggests IMHO that this was a rush job. Think seriously, would 2 babies stay firmly asleep in travel cots between 7pm and 7am despite being moved to a different apartment half way through the night along with the hysterical noise of GM's praying arab act? Would not the Tannerman revelation have been decided upon if this was indeed a planned action? We could always go ultra speculative and say that Madeleine disturbed a swinging couple pos JT and GM and the evil Bastrad thumped her for daring to disturb them. I don't suppose we will ever know the truth like as in the Soham Ian Huntley case unless someone wants to tell all on a deathbed.

Verdi wrote:

Joss wrote:The only "fresh agony" the McC's should be having is that their precious daughter is still missing. IMO.

OK I hope!

Agreed - but their precious little daughter has never been very high up on the list of their priorities has she?


Ms Sophie Comfy:   Hello and welcome Kate and Gerry on the eve of the ninth ainiversary of Madeleine's disappearance.  Tell me, how have you been coping these past years.

Kate McCann:  Err err, well you know err..  we haven't done anything wrong - it's the person that took a little girl from her family that's committed the crime - I ... 

Gerry McCann:  If I can just say - you don't mind if I call you Soph do you ;-) - there is no evidence to suggest we are implicated in her mu... disappearance or any evidence she has come to serious harm - she is still a findable little girl.

Kate McCann:  whimper whimper - they said all those things about me but that's not what happened - I know cos I was there.  She's luverly.  You don't know how we've suffered cos of the things that f******* t***** has said about us.

Sophie Comfy:  Yeh but but but...

Gerry McCann:  If I can just say here Mad-e-lin was just under 4 when she was abducted, statistics show there is every possibility she is out there and has come to no serious harm.  Many children have been found after being missing for years - there's no reason why this child still can't be found.

Sophie Comfy:  But the accusations by the Portuguese police must have been devastating for you, tell us how did you feel.

Kate McCann:  She's luverly..

Gerry McCann:  The Portuguese police have no evidence to sugget we are involved in the girl's abduction.

Kate McCann:  She's luverly..

Sophie Comfy:  What about the dogs alerts, how did you feel when the damaging reports came out in the press about this?  How did you feel it would impact the search for Madeleine?

Gerry McCann:  Ask the dogs Sandra err .. Soph

Kate McCann:  She's luverly - I know I was there.

Sophie Comfy:  Well thank you Kate and Gerry for agreeing to this interview.  Finally,  what would be your message to Madeleine today?

Gerry McCann:  Well obviously you know - that we miss her.  All the time the cash is rolling in we will continue to beg people to look for her, we don't proactively search but there is plenty going on behind the scenes - like suing people who pretend to be searching.  She's still missing, still missed, still looking, still a findable little girl.

Kate McCann:  I go back twice a year for a private visit when I can - It's where I feel closest to her.

Sophie Comfy:  Kate - do you have a special message to send Madeleine?

Kate McCann:  Err...

Richard D. Hall wrote:Quote, “I have written another book, examining the timeline and what people have said, and I am looking to publish that. "


The timeline and what people have said.  The timeline and what people have said was covered in "When Madeleine Died?" - I hope he has looked at the film.  It's a bit worrying that the article says he has already written the book.  Has GA emailed Martin Smith, like I did, in order to ask more questions in order to further explore the Smiths claims?  Has GA explored what seem to be false claims of a visit to Sagres and whether all the Sagres claims are bogus? Has he examined the "last photo" and the weather reports of that day?  Has he seen the news articles featuring the nannies where their media statements contradict their police statements?  The stories that appeared in the UK media in 2007 need to be part of any new investigation, because they show how the media were used in the cover up.  By looking at how they twisted the truth sheds light on what they were worried about and what they were diverting from.  I hope GA has read translations of all the UK media reports.  Has he got an explanation for the stark change in the McCann's protocol after 29th April? - Eating all their daytime meals in their room and ignoring their friends.   Has he got an explanation as to WHY one of the Tapas group booked a table in the Tapas restaurant from 29th, and specifically stated they did not want any child care and specifically stated they would be checking the children themselves.  


GA has no doubt that Madeleine died, the big questions are when and how, and why was it covered up.  I hope he addresses these points by considering ALL the available evidence.

Realist wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:They had several days available.

I'd tend to agree with this hypothesis, Ladyinred, bar for one factor, which is of course, that it would have to involve several members of the Warner camp staff in a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, which is a bridge too far.

Joss wrote:

BBM, Yeah I wonder if GA still holds exactly the same opinion as he did initially, that Madeleine had an accident in the apartment? If he thinks there could possibly be any other scenario that could have caused Madeleine to end up deceased?

Roidininki wrote:I don't go along with one or the other thumping the child hence a need to dispose of her .As GM said why would it be their fault if Madeleine hurt herself ?If it was a case of one of them taking hold of her say around the neck ,shaking her enough to leave bruises. , then she died ,yes.

sami wrote:

Roidininki wrote:Thing is no sedating drugs were amongst the medications found ?

In the McCanns apartment only though.  I don't recall the other apartments being searched, nothing to say medication was not present in the other apartments.

Doug D wrote:Roidininki:
 
‘I don't go along with one or the other thumping the child hence a need to dispose of her .As GM said why would it be their fault if Madeleine hurt herself ? If it was a case of one of them taking hold of her say around the neck ,shaking her enough to leave bruises. , then she died ,yes.’
 
Absolutely don’t follow your logic there.

None of us know what happened, so how can you possibly rule out ‘thumping’ and then rule in ‘strangling/shaking’.
   
Sorry.

Tony Bennett wrote:


If we were for a moment to suppose that members of Mark Warner were involved in a cover-up, I doubt it would need many more than, say, Cat Baker and one or two others

Verdi wrote:

sami wrote:

Roidininki wrote:Thing is no sedating drugs were amongst the medications found ?

In the McCanns apartment only though.  I don't recall the other apartments being searched, nothing to say medication was not present in the other apartments.

Cocaine I believe is quite popular these days amongst middle class (?) professionals when socialising.  Not suggesting that is the case here but it's not beyond the realms of possibility.  I have also read in the past that narcotics and/or alcohol are commonly used to prime children (and indeed adults) in cases of sex abuse.  Without knowing whether any or all of the McCann children were drugged, which is not known, it remains a moot point enticing all manner of speculation.

I'm in two minds about the twins being sedated.  Smacks to me of a devious route to plant the idea that Madeleine was sedated by the alleged intruder - be it burglar or abductor or combination of the two.  They tried hard to promote this idea which, under the circumstances, could have easily be confirmed by medical examination - but they elected against that idea and opted instead for sticking a hand in the twins faces and feeling their back for signs of breathing.

Geeez, the more you think abut this case the more farcical it becomes.

Tony Bennett wrote:

Joss wrote:

BBM, Yeah I wonder if GA still holds exactly the same opinion as he did initially, that Madeleine had an accident in the apartment? If he thinks there could possibly be any other scenario that could have caused Madeleine to end up deceased?

GA has said publicly that the case won't be fully solved until 'MI5 open up all the files'.

You know, like the order from the Director of MI5 to two of his subordinates in early August 2007: "Get on the next plane to Faro and make sure you stop that Martin Grime bloke and rough him up a bit"

Tony Bennett wrote:

Joss wrote:

BBM, Yeah I wonder if GA still holds exactly the same opinion as he did initially, that Madeleine had an accident in the apartment? If he thinks there could possibly be any other scenario that could have caused Madeleine to end up deceased?

GA has said publicly that the case won't be fully solved until 'MI5 open up all the files'.

You know, like the order from the Director of MI5 to two of his subordinates in early August 2007: "Get on the next plane to Faro and make sure you stop that Martin Grime bloke and rough him up a bit"

Realist wrote:

Roidininki wrote:I don't go along with one or the other thumping the child hence a need to dispose of her .As GM said why would it be their fault if Madeleine hurt herself ?If it was a case of one of them taking hold of her say around the neck ,shaking her enough to leave bruises. , then she died ,yes.

The latter is an even more plausible explanation, Roidiniki, I was merely using whacking as a possible example. Whatever caused her death, it was an act of violence and most certainly not an accident. Again, sane minded people do not conspire to turn an accident into a potential murder enquiry.

Claire25 wrote:


Could it not have been an accident and concealed because of unpleasant things that an autopsy may have revealed though?

Claire25 wrote:

Realist wrote:

Roidininki wrote:I don't go along with one or the other thumping the child hence a need to dispose of her .As GM said why would it be their fault if Madeleine hurt herself ?If it was a case of one of them taking hold of her say around the neck ,shaking her enough to leave bruises. , then she died ,yes.

The latter is an even more plausible explanation, Roidiniki, I was merely using whacking as a possible example. Whatever caused her death, it was an act of violence and most certainly not an accident. Again, sane minded people do not conspire to turn an accident into a potential murder enquiry.

Could it not have been an accident and concealed because of unpleasant things that an autopsy may have revealed though?

Realist wrote:

Claire25 wrote:


A history of abuse or sedation?

Is there any tangible evidence of this, ie social enquiry reports etc?

Claire25 wrote:

Realist wrote:

Claire25 wrote:


A history of abuse or sedation?

Is there any tangible evidence of this, ie social enquiry reports etc?

I have no idea, you obviously know more than me? I'm not aware that something like that has been ruled out.  

It is obvious something needed to be hidden, if it's not the cause of death, presumably something else that would be flagged up during the process that would need to be kept hidden instead.  Likely something that would mean their 7 friends would help no matter what too.

You obviously don't think that to be the case but I came to start following this case a few years ago on Hideho's FB group and that was often a theory discussed and I personally find it very plausible.