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Whose pyjamas did the McCanns hold up at those June 2007 press conferences?

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Post by CaKeLoveR on 31.01.20 17:58

Don't most people have their cameras (or camera 'phones) with them all the time, on holiday? Who on earth has to 'dash back' to fetch a camera to record a moment which will be over and done with when the camera is brought to the scene. Another stupid McCann statement.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 31.01.20 20:22

@CaKeLoveR wrote:Don't most people have their cameras (or camera 'phones) with them all the time, on holiday? Who on earth has to 'dash back' to fetch a camera to record a moment which will be over and done with when the camera is brought to the scene. Another stupid McCann statement.

Almost everything about both (a) the 'Tennis Balls Photo' and (b) the pyjams sagas looks like contrived, back-fitting statements - just as Inspector Tavares de Almeida said many times over in his September 2007 Intercalary Report.

To say nothing of the locked/unlocked patio doors, the shutters, the 'high tea', the sailing expedition, the creche records and so much else

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Amelie Mcann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by CaKeLoveR on 31.01.20 21:41

If you take away all of these idiotic word pictures, there's nothing, is there? The over emphasis regarding everything Madeleine said, did and wore, and how they marvelled at how lovely she was, was perhaps to convince people that they were caring, devoted parents. It failed spectacularly.
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Post by CaKeLoveR on 11.03.20 8:57

I have read this thread from page 1, which hasn't helped at all.☹ These two more know more about their children's nightwear than they do about the children. This makes me wonder if Madeleine was not wearing pyjamas during her final moments. Thus, should the poor little girl's body be discovered, her parents could say "Well, she was in her night togs when we put her to bed". Her mother had already pre-empted the possibility of Madeleine having been molested.
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Post by sharonl on 11.03.20 19:23

The claimed routine was bath, pyjamas, milk and biscuits, story, bed and then off to the Tapas.

If Madeleine was not in her pyjamas, then clearly this was not the sequence of events prior to her disappearance and that means that the timing of her reported disappearance is also wrong.  What she was really wearing would be very telling.  yes

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Post by CaKeLoveR on 11.03.20 20:35

I wish I could get a grip on what is bothering me about all of that. As with a lot of what they said, these details are unnecessary, and over emphasised. Could it be that bedtime was a disorganised mess, even if only on this holiday, and they don't know who was wearing what? thinking
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Post by sharonl on 11.03.20 22:14

@CaKeLoveR wrote:I wish I could get a grip on what is bothering me about all of that. As with a lot of what they said, these details are unnecessary, and over emphasised. Could it be that bedtime was a disorganised mess, even if only on this holiday, and they don't know who was wearing what? thinking

Remember what they were doing, they were staging an abduction on May 3rd and therefore had to describe the events of the evening running up to the time of the alleged abduction. These events included dressing the kids and putting them to bed.

The chances are that none of this actually took place, instead of reading a story, they were concocting one.

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Post by CaKeLoveR on 11.03.20 22:40

Yes, that's what I'm thinking just now. They had to stage a night time abduction, and rabbit on about nightwear to fix the time In people's minds. If Madeleine should be found, she will have to be wearing pyjamas rather than day clothes, after all the 'photos of pj's which the McCanns were waving about, otherwise they've dropped themselves in it. I need to stop thinking about it for a few days.
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Post by crusader on 13.04.20 16:00

On 4th May 2007, Jon Corner set up a file transfer protocol, a tool used to share images, create posters and video's etc for family friends and helpers.
It was accessed by a password and this password was given to family friends and helpers. It was also given to the press.
Was the photo of Madeleine's pyjamas on this file and that is where Louis Forra got it from?
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Post by Verdi on 13.04.20 16:28

@crusader wrote:Was the photo of Madeleine's pyjamas on this file and that is where Louis Forra got it from?

No!

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Post by SueH on 12.08.20 21:46

I’ve looked into this before.  Kate said in the interview where she held up Amelie’s pyjamas, that they were the same as Madeleine’s but Maddie’e were larger and didn’t have the button on the back of the neck.  The  pic from the apartment sofa does have the button.  Am I’m missing something here?
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Post by Verdi on 12.08.20 22:09

@SueH wrote:I’ve looked into this before.  Kate said in the interview where she held up Amelie’s pyjamas, that they were the same as Madeleine’s but Maddie’e were larger and didn’t have the button on the back of the neck.  The  pic from the apartment sofa does have the button.  Am I’m missing something here?

No SueH, I don't think you're missing anything - your eye seems to be well and truly focused on the ball.

If you've read through this thread you will realise that I consider Dr Martin Roberts' observations on the pyjamarama saga to be way out!

On the night of 3rd/4th May 2007, team McCann launched a very elaborate public relations exercise, everything they said and did or arranged for someone else to say on their behalf was all for a reason. They were well focused with the help of a bastion of supporters to aid and abet, they wouldn't have made such a crass error as suggested by Dr Martin Roberts' article.

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Post by SueH on 13.08.20 0:03

Thank you. I’ve only really had time to research this case properly since the beginning of lockdown. It’s like a game of grand scale Cluedo, if it wasn’t for the fact a young girl has died imo, it would be laughable with all the inconsistencies, deceit, mishaps and cover ups.  
I’m eager for the truth to be exposed and in another way I’m not sure I want to know. 
Thanks for the welcome - I’ll slowly work out how the forum works. X
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Post by Tony Bennett on 13.08.20 16:32

@SueH wrote:I’ve looked into this before.  Kate said in the interview where she held up Amelie’s pyjamas, that they were the same as Madeleine’s but Maddie’e were larger and didn’t have the button on the back of the neck.  The pic from the apartment sofa does have the button.  Am I missing something here?

Yes @SueH and @Verdi, both of you are missing a great deal.

Point 1 concerns the photograph of Madeleine's pyjamas taken against what appears to be a sofa, or some material, with a blue hessian-style background.  

We know from Kate's book that she admits to having washed Madeleine's pyjamas on the morning of Thursday 3 May.  

She gives an extremely bizarre reason for doing so, to 'wash out a tea stain'. 

There is no reference by the McCanns to Madeleine drinking tea on that holiday. Besides that, at the time she washed the pyjamas, their holiday had only 48 hours to run. You might wash pyjamas if they had become soiled, or were stained with blood. But NOT for a 'tea-stain'!  

Point 2 concerns the photographs of the pyjamas held up by the McCanns for the Crimewatch programme on Tuesday 5 June, and at the Amsterdam press conference on Thursday 7 June. 

As Martin Roberts has conclusively proved, these are the very same pair of pyjamas with the same wisps of cotton on them there for all to see. Therefore these are Madeleine's pyjamas.

Therefore they are not Amelie's pyjamas, as Kate claimed. 

Point 3 concerns the fact that the convoluted claim about the button was NOT mentioned at the Crimewatch demonstration on 5 June but WAS mentioned in connection with the Amsterdam conference two days later. Why was that? Did someone perhaps point out the obvious contradiction?

Point 4 concerns the size of the pyjamas held up by the McCanns. They are obviously too big to have been bought for Amelia before April 2007.

Point 5 concerns the obvious point that parents do not buy identical sets of pyjamas for the children. Otherwise, there would be constant confusion. It also explains why a newspaper reported an innocent remark by Gerry McCann's brother John about an occasion when Amelia got sight of Madeleine's pyjamas and exclaimed "Maddie's jammies. Where is Maddie?"  There was no reason whatsoever for John McCann to make up this comment. On the contrary, it is the natural response of a child who recognises what are obviously Madeleine's pyjamas and not hers, and hasn't seen her sister for several days.

Point 6 Buttons were put on slightly older children's pyjamas, i.e. 3- to 4-year-olds. They were not put on those for younger children aged 1-2. 

Point 7  Kate says she held up Amelie's pyjamas. Just how reliable a witness is she?  

FWIW, of those on here who have read through Martin Roberts' long article and have given a view one way or the other, 84% say they agree with him, with only 16% disagreeing.

For anyone new to the forum, please take time to read the whole of Martin Roberts' article and you will see how he convincingly explains the many mysterious questions about Madeleine's pyjamas.

He begins where we might all begin: asking ourselves why on earth the McCanns would want to wash their daughter's pyjamas, then photograph them as they were drying, then arrange for them to be taken to the Luis Forra agency only to appear in British daily newspapers five days later.





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Amelie Mcann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by Verdi on 13.08.20 16:39

With the greatest respect, I'm not missing anything Tony.

I've expressed my rationale on the subject throughout the thread. I have not wavered.

To summarize, Dr Martin Roberts' lengthy article is inaccurate and thus not worthy of attention.

Others no doubt will think differently.

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Post by Jill Havern on 13.08.20 17:53

@Verdi wrote:With the greatest respect, I'm not missing anything Tony.

I've expressed my rationale on the subject throughout the thread.  I have not wavered.

To summarize, Dr Martin Roberts' lengthy article is inaccurate and thus not worthy of attention.

Others no doubt will think differently.
Not worthy of your own attention, or are you advising everyone else not to pay any attention to it?

With respect you are our moderator, part of the admin team - but not the adjudicator. singlerose

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Post by SueH on 13.08.20 19:32

I disagree about the buttons - they are indeed on most babies and younger children’s tops and Pyjamas but not on older children’s.  And parents are inclined to dress their little girls in the same outfits. 
I remember thinking when that interview was aired, who on earth would use your toddlers pjs when M&S would have sent them an age 3-4 pair free of charge at the drop of a hat. 
I may well be new to this forum but I have studied the PJ files and numerous other investigative sites in depth. 
MM’s PJs would have been snapped up for DNA at the first instance.  
As you say the top was apparently washed because of the ‘tea’ stain.  I believe when/if they find MM she will still be in those pjs along with a stain that is not tea and linked to her demise.
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Post by Jill Havern on 13.08.20 20:12

@Tony Bennett wrote:
Point 5 concerns the obvious point that parents do not buy identical sets of pyjamas for the children. Otherwise, there would be constant confusion.
I always used to buy identical clothes for my granddaughters when they were very young...now that they're 9 and 12 they have their own styles so no longer do that.

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Post by sharonl on 13.08.20 20:57

@SueH wrote:I disagree about the buttons - they are indeed on most babies and younger children’s tops and Pyjamas but not on older children’s.  And parents are inclined to dress their little girls in the same outfits. 
I remember thinking when that interview was aired, who on earth would use your toddlers pjs when M&S would have sent them an age 3-4 pair free of charge at the drop of a hat. 
I may well be new to this forum but I have studied the PJ files and numerous other investigative sites in depth. 
MM’s PJs would have been snapped up for DNA at the first instance.  
As you say the top was apparently washed because of the ‘tea’ stain.  I believe when/if they find MM she will still be in those pjs along with a stain that is not tea and linked to her demise.

I am not sure about that Sue. I would say that the pyjamas were washed after she died.

Dr Martin Roberts demonstrates that one pair of pyjamas that were used were far too big for Amelie who told us that they were Maddies. There was also the Pyjamas that were photographed for the Algarve press before the PJ released their photograph. Where did that photograph come from?


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Post by crusader on 13.08.20 21:14

From what I've read, there appears to be 3 sets of PJs belonging to Madeleine.

The pair Madeleine was supposed to be wearing when she was abducted.

The pair that was put on Amalie that belonged to Madeleine, as reported in The Sydney Morning Herald on May 15th 07, according to John McCann. 

Another " dirty pair " according to " a source close to the family ", that was in the hire car, that could explain the bodily fluids found by the dogs, was written about in The Daily Mail September 07.
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Post by sandancer on 13.08.20 21:22

" Abductor " on seeing the pyjamas that Maddie was wearing when she was " taken from her bed " thinks ... " Uhho , I'd better get rid of those pyjamas quick , not hide them in a cellar under the shed or bury them in my allotment ! No it's got to be burn them so there's no ( concrete ) evidence of me having them ! 
Then if anyone sees me with a little blonde haired girl , I can say of course she's not Maddie , she's not wearing pink and white Eeyore pyjamas !" 

This fairy tale progressed long with the " where were you when ( the twins , Sean and I ) cried last night ? Into did the " abductor " do a " dry run " the night before ? So making the unknown possible tea stain more diabolical , the " abductor " drugged the children !!! 

Unfortunately as usual the McCanns have to add more to the story , " was it when they were being bathed , when they were first put to bed ? " Not  realising that by saying that the question arises - if you ( the parents)  weren't bathing/putting them to bed then who was and where were you ? 

Everything the McCanns say is for a reason , to absolve themselves of any involvement or blame for " the situation Madeleine finds herself in " . 
Crying incident 
Tea stain on pyjamas 
Washing said pyjama top .
Dry run on Wednesday night by " abductor " resulting in " stain " and " crying " 
There is an innocent explanation for anything the police might find ! Clarence Mitchell ! 

" I know what happened wasn't due to the fact of us leaving them sleeping , I know it happened under other circumstances " 

Whatever " it " is and those " other circumstances " , the answer to the mystery ?

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Post by sharonl on 13.08.20 21:52

One point that Dr Martin Roberts does make is that the following photograph was published in the Algarve Resident on May 8th, 2 days before the optical release.  

Where did the pyjamas come from?

Who took the photograph and sent it to the Algarve Resident?

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Post by Verdi on 13.08.20 22:19

@Jill Havern wrote:
@Verdi wrote:With the greatest respect, I'm not missing anything Tony.

I've expressed my rationale on the subject throughout the thread.  I have not wavered.

To summarize, Dr Martin Roberts' lengthy article is inaccurate and thus not worthy of attention.

Others no doubt will think differently.
Not worthy of your own attention, or are you advising everyone else not to pay any attention to it?

With respect you are our moderator, part of the admin team - but not the adjudicator. singlerose

Not at all, as I said .... 'others no doubt will think differently'. As I also said, I've explained my rationale on the subject throughout this thread. my reasons for thinking the subject analysis is inaccurate so not worthy of particular attention.

It's up to the reader to form their own opinions. I was merely responding to Tony's comment that @Verdi was missing something bow2 .

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Post by Verdi on 13.08.20 22:22

@sharonl wrote:One point that Dr Martin Roberts does make is that the following photograph was published in the Algarve Resident on May 8th, 2 days before the optical release.  

Where did the pyjamas come from?

Who took the photograph and sent it to the Algarve Resident?

Dr Martin Roberts - 'A Nightwear Job' - Page 14 Alg%2BRes

That was covered somewhere on this thread Sharon.

If I remember rightly the pyjamas pictured in the Algarve Resident were from Marks and Spencers. I'll try and find it later.

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